Dont look too hard, some may not like what they see

Discussion in 'Tales of jerry65' started by jerry65, Oct 26, 2007.

Draft saved Draft deleted
  1. simon123

    simon123

    Messages:
    5
    well said, I honestly think (in the US atleast) 99.99% of providers do it cause they do not mind doing that in exchange for money. Simple. Nothing wrong with that I suppose but I do find it comical when some try to sugar-coat it by saying/sweeping that they do it to feed their "old parents...blah blah blah..."
  2. simon123

    simon123

    Messages:
    5
    From what I know , in the history of mankind one women and one man is a very new phenomenon. Of course a man will not be at his most fulfilled if he is just doing one women. Man can separate love from sex....
  3. corad

    corad

    Messages:
    18
    Sometimes sex isn't just sex. Sure sex is fun, but it also makes me kinder, more accepting and a better guy. A marriage without sex becomes a prickly, painful thing and simply replacing the sex elsewhere doesn't fix things. That's my experience

    For me, mongering is a poor substitute for a happy relationship.
  4. mongeroid

    mongeroid

    Messages:
    46
    Daaaamn, this is some deep shit

    Thanks for posting.
  5. curious

    curious

    Messages:
    1,872
    curious is an idiot...

    for spotting this great Freudian slip 4 months ago.

    (No offense intended, accnts.)
  6. lightweight

    lightweight Moderator

    Messages:
    6,750

    A little to do with the sex part and the rush like you said. I like the variety. If you have a family, you do not have time to go out and wine and dine these women and take them out and spend all this money on them. It is easier, better, disceet to just pay for it.
  7. xango_de_sade

    xango_de_sade

    Messages:
    11
    One of these days I'll put my whole story out on here. Slinky I think knows bits and piece of it. I'm waiting to see how this next chapter will resolve frankly :p
  8. curious

    curious

    Messages:
    1,872
    Wow, how did I miss this? I've come around to a similar point of view. If anything, the feelings I have during play with my favorite are so strong, and so long-lasting (I have real trouble staying out of life), that it's almost certainly destroying the 'relationship' (with her).

    edit: I'm trying to find others so that I can give my fav some space; hopefully it isn't too late to salvage what I used to have.
    Last edited: Dec 21, 2007
  9. curious

    curious

    Messages:
    1,872
    Ditto.

    Although I don't resent my favorite pushers yet, in numbers terms, the majority of women I've seen through this activity really didn't interest me at all. It was an enticing photo and my hope of something worthwhile.

    Thankfully (?) I find a good one now and then and those I see every chance I get.
  10. Bandaid

    Bandaid

    Messages:
    2,140
    Gospel truth, Thorn. Medication for what? Loneliness, depression, stress, frustration. Plain horniness, too, of course, but usually something more. Those who don't have an outlet for their sexual wants other than paying for it have to eat shit for their self-esteem and resent their "pushers" - the women - who never seem to give what the man really wants.

    What's crazy about all of it is that, even knowing all this, (and thanks, Jerry) is that if I had the bucks I'd get into a sugar daddy situation if I could. How stupid am I? But I'm not alone.
  11. xango_de_sade

    xango_de_sade

    Messages:
    11
    Thorn, long time no see :)

    You say you don't have any blinders on, but I submit that you still do.

    Think for a moment about how fucked up normal life is. How MARRIAGE as an institution is even nastier and leads to much of the same shit or worse. The world as a WHOLE is full of people with their heads not put on straight, and I think society itself, and maybe even civilization itself is at the root of it.

    NYPD statistics say that 27% of all homicides in the five boroughs are due to domestic disputes. Especially as a women, monogamous relationships can often be more dangerous than p4p!!!

    As for people being abused as children, at least 1/4 of the population as a whole have gone through it, maybe more. I suspect it may be even as much as 1/2 of us really, people just don't talk about that shit openly, even on internet forums :p

    I could run down a list of ordinary everyday things we all do (or almost all of us) that are absolutely TOXIC and yet we do them anyway.

    And I actually believe being a good whore is something extremely special, even SPIRITUAL. To be sure, it's psychologically difficult to be indiscriminate in who gets intimate with you, it's very hard on the ego, but the annihilation of the ego is something many spiritually-minded persons and groups of people have strived for over the aeons.

    I would submit that sex workers and their customers are among the people on Earth who are enlightened enough to know that something is rotten in the state of Denmark, and feel they need to step out of the mainstream.

    And lastly, my current gf is a sex worker and she is the ONLY girl I have ever been with, including my ex, who has NOT been sexually abused as a child. And none of them were pros, with only one other exception.
  12. jerry65

    jerry65

    Messages:
    18
    holiday season, and things heat up.
    Sugarbaby:Hey Jerry, whut u been up two lately?
    Me:ah, nada, just hanging
    SB:ya wanna hang out
    me:when, you mean like hook up again?
    SB:yeah, baby,
    Me: what happenned to the other guy
    SB:nah, I only saw hijm once, he wasnt my type
    Me: Im youre type?
    SB: yeah, no, I mean ya know I get along with you good, I wasnt happy with him
    Me: I can do the same rates as before
    SB: yeah, things are bad all over I guess
    Me: No, thats not it, its just that I found someone Im not giving up on to see you
    SB: so youre gonna see two of us
    Me: No, shes a whore
    SB:eek:h, ok, call me soon.
  13. Thorn

    Thorn

    Messages:
    7,772
    I have a bumper sticker on my ass that says, "Don't follow me. I'm lost."

    Though I truly appreciate that compliment. Thanks.
  14. nychelsea

    nychelsea

    Messages:
    1,709
    Thorn's observations about leading a double life are also spot on. I continue to have a problem with that - so it probably is a good thing in that it keeps me from spending more time and money on mongering!

    Thorn's observations are always worth reading. He is the MAN! (along with JL and Wanderer).

    Enjoy,

    Chels
  15. nychelsea

    nychelsea

    Messages:
    1,709
    This is an interesting thread, to be sure. I especially agree with Thorn's comments about the adrenilin (sp) rush and the sense of adventure that goes with "mongering." The good thing is that our participation is strictly voluntary, and unless one has sex addiction problems, it is easy to stop. There are times when I don't look at UG, Eros, or any of the other sites. I can ignore *****s sent to me or phone calls from the ladies. Also, when I am on one of my lengthy business trips overseas, it is easy to take a break from the ladies.

    I'm still not sure what I am looking for after years in the pursuit but I know that if I have a very good experience with a lady, that I will want to come back for more (BK is a good example - who wouldn't want to see her again and again!). Same goes for Emily and Jillian - I especially appreciate their contributions to UG. Now if there was only some way to meet Masquerade (other than at her low mileage sc!).

    Enjoy,

    Chels
  16. paperpusher

    paperpusher

    Messages:
    2,949
    A good % of the mongers here (myself included) are not necessarily doing this for the sex, but the adrenaline rush. There is no way to reproduce it within a marraige unless you engage in swinging. And yes it may be selfish, but with a good job, good family, and decent life, there still is a void at times and yes it does furfill it. Could I quit? Probably, but not easy to do after 20 years of it. And I know the quality of life would suffer, sad but true.

    The women that I played with in the AMP circle, seem to have a hard time with it. They want the faster money, but seems to eat at them. But few seem to be able to quit on their own, because they do not want work long hours in nail saloons/restaurants. They knowly made their deal with the devil. I have offered to help them with real jobs. Not one was seriously interested.
  17. paperpusher

    paperpusher

    Messages:
    2,949
    A good % of the mongers here (myself included) are not necessarily doing this for the sex, but the adrenaline rush. There is no way to reproduce it within a marraige unless you engage in swinging. And yes it may be selfish, but with a good job, good family, and decent life, there still is a void at times and yes it does furfill it. Could I quit? Probably, but not easy to do after 20 years of it. And I know the quality of life would suffer, sad but true.

    The women that I played with in the AMP circle, seem to have a hard time with it. They want the faster money, but seems to eat at them. But few seem to be able to quit on their own, because they do not want work long hours in nail saloons/restaurants. They knowly made their deal with the devil. I have offered to help them with real jobs. Not one was seriously interested.
  18. Thorn

    Thorn

    Messages:
    7,772
    As a former swinger who fell out of the lifestyle because I fell in love [and still am deeply in love] with someone who didn't play those kind of games, but found I couldn't totally adapt to a life without "the strange" [I was wrong, what can I say], that I know precisely what you mean.

    I am, even though I am slowing down a bit in my middle-age, very much an adrenaline junkie. Much of my livelihood revolved around riskier than average undertakings with a high "rush" factor. I have no doubt that, as much as I like sex, that this is in part about its "taboo" social nature and the steps required to keep a double life a secret.
  19. Thorn

    Thorn

    Messages:
    7,772
    I think "love" is too strong a word in most cases considering what we are talking about.

    While I believe that there may be more now then, say, twenty years ago due to changes in social custom and attitudes toward casual sex, I don't think it anywhere near approaches 1:10 I've seen speculated here.

    I also don't believe that those that like what they do, or tolerate it well, do so all the time. I think most providers fluctuate in their feelings on the subject.

    The personality quirks required: 1) a strong desire for physical intimacy with little desire for emotional contact [nymphomania at the extreme end of that spectrum]; 2) an ability to disconnect the act of sex from the ego, experiencing it only physically, are very rare.

    It also has to be someone who has a very strong desire to buck the system. To run contrary to social custom and norms.

    That is why I think lesbians frequently make the best providers. Devoid of any nympho-maniacal component, sex with men to them is simply a physical act. It has little or no emotional component. Since they are gay they may have already adjusted to being outside social customs and norms. What's one more going to hurt? It literally is "just a job", so they are free to think of it in professional terms.

    So when a lesbian decides to work with males as a provider she may very well be in a place, mentally, where it is easier to adapt and maintain a healthy mental outlook.

    Its just a theory of mine, as I don't believe any studies have ever been done on the subject.

    The true nymphomaniac probably doesn't involve themselves in prostitution. They want to pick and choose just like anyone else and wouldn't necessarily see sex as a business. The incredibly rare one that does involve themselves as a provider are likely to also have other psycho-social disorders that wouldn't make them the best candidates to choose as a client to have sex with. The sex might be great, but I don't think I'd want to be around after, and I certainly wouldn't want for them to know how to find me.
  20. paperpusher

    paperpusher

    Messages:
    2,949
    A good % of the mongers here (myself included) are not necessarily doing this for the sex, but the adrenaline rush. There is no way to reproduce it within a marraige unless you engage in swinging. And yes it may be selfish, but with a good job, good family, and decent life, there still is a void at times and yes it does furfill it. Could I quit? Probably, but not easy to do after 20 years of it. And I know the quality of life would suffer, sad but true.

    The women that I played with in the AMP circle, seem to have a hard time with it. They want the faster money, but seems to eat at them. But few seem to be able to quit on their own, because they do not want work long hours in nail saloons/restaurants. They knowly made their deal with the devil. I have offered to help them with real jobs. Not one was seriously interested.