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  1. WizardOfAhhs

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    LOL Yeah, I got that part. And like you said, it's not quite that simple. (Pretty sure it all falls apart on the "find the car that moves the same path" part. Cause, ya know, how the hell would they know who to look for?).
  2. Cdoggy

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    To oversimplify. Triangulation and process of elimination. Every call is "pinged" off a cell tower. The "pings" move towers as the phone moves. Find the car that moves the same path and you find the owner. Murders and major drug deals are solved daily using this information. ( a little inside info ). But this is an oversimplification of the process. Just saying. Lol.
  3. WizardOfAhhs

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    Actually, I have no idea what you're saying. Other than the fact that Son of Sam got caught by tracing parking tickets. So try not to get a parking ticket if you plan on killing someone.
    Trying to work with you here but it's just not happening.
    A) everything you read on the internet is not always true.
    B) EFF has their own agenda, served best by creating paranoia.
    C) Working with your EFF created link, virtually all of it assumes the use of your regular smart phone, which of course is just the opposite of what we're talking about here.
    D) The one paragraph of your cited reference that refers to burner phones quite confirms just what I said. Unless you're stupid enough to use your burner to call Mom every Sunday afternoon at 2 PM or play FarmVille every day, they are in fact quite untraceable.
    E) Perhaps you missed this part of your reference: effective use of burner phones to hide from government surveillance requires, at a minimum: not reusing either SIM cards or devices; not carrying different devices together; not creating a physical association between the places where different devices are used; and not calling or being called by the same people when using different devices. (In other words, keep it separate from your regular cell phone). I do believe that falls squarely in line with how I described the use of mine.
    In any event, I appreciate the contribution. Nothing there makes me at all concerned that anything less than the NSA can find me. And if I have to start worrying that the NSA is after me, I may as well take up wood carving as my new hobby.
  4. Cdoggy

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    Everyday the local police solve crimes by tracking liscence plate numbers to traffic cameras and correlate that to cell tower traffic. Just saying.
  5. sixtyearold

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    https://ssd.eff.org/en/module/problem-mobile-phones


    No theories of mine, just simple facts as presented in this link along with my skepticism and non- trusting and non-convinced mentality in much that is said in words.

    The smarter the burner phone, the more potential tracking danger there is, relative to internet usage.

    Also, use your phone frequently with specific people who know you and your number (along with some even minor personal information), and their problems can become your problem.

    Over time it is easy to get complacent and sloppy about the way in which you handle your phone. Flaws in your security can exist by your own hands.

    Typically, it is not a problem (LE really doesn't give a shit about your mongering) and burner phones are a safety net, but if someone has a vendetta against you or if there is an incident involving death or homicide (I always think back to the Gilgo beach murders), everyone remotely within that circle of activity is interogated.

    Even if GPS, internet usage, and other technology don't track you, chances are that one or more of your contacts could expose enough to get you tracked if a serious matter arises.

    "Security holes" represent ALL the various ways your assumed coat of armor can have a flaw.

    I equate a burner phone to a life preserver. In most cases it will protect you from drowning but it is in no way totally infallible.
  6. WizardOfAhhs

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    Since a comment was made in another thread about "security holes" in burner phones, I'm taking it over here, rather than continue the convo there and take that thread off topic. I'll assume the phrase "security hole" means that LE could find me via my burner phone, which was:
    Purchased 20+ miles from home, in a chain drug store, a number of years ago. I paid cash, using no discount cards or anything else linked to my real ID. I also purchased a 90 minute card, again paying cash. I went to a pubic library, and activated it there. No ID was required to access the internet, and no personal info was required to activate the phone (just the serial # of the phone itself, and the PIN # from the minutes card). When I add minutes, I again buy the cards anonymously, paying cash, and activate them using the phone itself and the PIN # from the card. The phone is rarely turned on, and almost never from home (assuming, in my most paranoid moments, that each phone has a unique ID of some kind, and that it could be physically located via whatever cell tower I'm connecting through). I only turn it on to use it, and then I'm usually in my car, often moving. Rarely, as I said, from home or at work.
    So, in my mind, nothing at all connects my real ID to this particular phone #. Even if the # turned up on someone else's call log, and even if LE were able to determine what tower had been used to place the call, that tower most likely would be miles from any place I frequent. Since the phone is rarely turned on, I see no way that I could be physically located through it either (In a practical sense. I'm not going to presume I know what the NSA is capable of, but I'm talking real world here. I'm not out blowing up buildings. And I'm just not paranoid enough to think the NSA gets involved in busting johns).
    Sixtyyearold....if you have expertise in this area, or even a plausible theory on what I'm missing or why I"m wrong, please share it here. (And we all know there's plenty of guys out there who'll buy a burner and then activate it from their home phone or computer, or use their credit card to buy additional time. In those cases, the burner serves no purpose other than to keep the call/text logs off their regular phone and hidden from their SO and avoid unwanted calls/texts. LE could find them in a heartbeat if they wanted to). I would like to know the flaw in my scenario, since many of us do it exactly as I've outlined here, and have for years.
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  7. frogger54

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    A couple weeks ago Hugh Freeze; a popular head coach in College Football (Ole Miss) was fired (forced to resign) because his call log included a call to an escort service.. The top ESPN College Football analyst Paul Finebaum, was interviewed on ESPN about the topic.. he asked on live TV "Why wouldn't he use a burner phone"? Then went on to say something the the effect of "maybe he's never heard of a burner phone"


    Case and point: spend a few dollars on a burner. It can save your job, marriage, and image.

    I didn't even buy mine from a store. I just went to DSS and offered $50 to someone in the parking lot to buy their ObamaPhone. The 1st person I asked was thrilled and agreed. He just went back on the DSS line and got approved for a new one since he "lost his". That phone is my burner and gets 500 minutes every month with unlimited texts for a year with some data. The only downside is that it's not a smartphone and doesn't have a camera.

    I keep it in the trunk of my car and always delete my call & text logs. If anyone were to ever find it, I would just tell them that I keep it for emergencies
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  8. HobbyistZero

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    Yes, convenience is a small factor to some. Price may be another. Getting caught with a burner is not so small. One can try any excuse in the book, it will raise suspicion. There are trade-offs, to each his own. Another reason that comes to mind is international travel. Those throwaways don't work outside US. Also, if Customs catches you with multiple phones, you may be the one that gets poked.
  9. pokler

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    If you need to be UTR why fuck around with apps when burners are real thing? The incremental convience ? Lol
  10. HobbyistZero

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    I read a warning stating if you try to end an incoming call instead of letting it end by itself, it can potentially take the caller to your real voicemail. I believe it was in an App disclosure. Yes, I read that stuff... Also, if you do not use a VOIP type App, the calls/messages will be on your phone bill (possibly for a SO to see). Lastly, if i may, if you are going to use VOIP over wi-fi, consider encrypting with VPN. It's all quite easy to set up on your cellphone. There are Apps for everything these days. I cannot tell you guys how easy it is for someone to download a piece of software, sit at that coffee shop you like, and snoop your latest fling. Pictures and all.
  11. pokler

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    On an App your number can be traced to you far easier than a real burner.
  12. jwills500

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    Someone should have told the ex coach of the Old Miss Univ about burner phones, called an escort service from his university issued phone
  13. WizardOfAhhs

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    I'm not so sure the ability to change #'s is why most of us use burners. In fact, I def don't want to change #'s, because I rely on the girls having my number in their phone to know it's me when I call. I just don't want anyone who might happen to come across her phone to be able to trace that # back to me. Ever. In any way. But I'm sure those apps have some advantages, chief among them not having to have two phones.
  14. HobbyistZero

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    Burner App (paid) works well, easy to change numbers. As does Sideline (free last I checked), although tougher to change numbers. Prob best to do your homework on the apps first before you take the plunge, as there are some interesting reviews about some of them. Also, these apps can get a bit buggy, sometimes not getting messages right away.
  15. sawdawg59

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    Try textnow App works great for me you can use your real phone but it gives you a new area code and number and disguises your real phone and I use the free version works great for me tested it on friends they were asking who the fuck is this ! You can also delete the number when your done and choose a new one of course when you do that u lose that number and all its messsges
  16. WizardOfAhhs

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    Of course, now that I found and bought it, I see BestBuy has it on clearance for 17.99.
  17. WizardOfAhhs

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    Ok. So after my recent incident which I wrote about in "random rants and raves", it was time to get a burner smart phone (and quickly too, just in case those emojies really were the xxx rated positions Wiggley suggested they might be). Grrrrr. Must have hit 10 different CVS, Walgreens and Staples. Each one had different stock, even the prices and deals varied. Finally found myself a TracFone Alcatel Android for $20 at a CVS. No coupons, cards, blood donation, etc required. Just cash on the counter. Now to charge it up, transfer my contacts, and reply to my little lesbian friend's text to see if I'm gonna get laid....or reported to my employer for sexual harassment.
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  18. h50

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    My thinking was that one could also write in Klingon (or similar, coded, secure, off-line/off-phone, etc.) on the phone, and better.
  19. genius

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    How obvious can his post be.

    Obviously he writes the list in Klingon and his SO doesn't know how to translate it to English.

    A classic example of how to hide something in plain sight. Gotta hand it to Ishja!
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  20. h50

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    How does that help and/or how is that better?