GFE

[Slinky Bender]

Ok, this can of worms hasn't been opened i a while, so heer goes:

What is "GFE" to you ? (i.e. "The Girl Friend Experince" ???). It's been described as everything from simply DFK ( Deep French Kissing ) to lately:

" 'I am really sick and tired of a certain provider telling clients they can not see other girls'

Is this not really what a GFE is?"*

We see all the time "she's a real GFE". What does this mean to you when you see it, and what does it mean when youuse it ???.

*stevediverse on *** NY.

[Ozzy]

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[Edited by Ozzy on 07-11-2001 at 05:35 PM]

[hot4chicks]

OK, with all due respect to everyone here, here goes-

Which is better and more cost-effective - a 'provider', a mistress, a GF or a wife?

Assuming a guy is married, being caught with GF, mistress or provider all get a similar reaction and cost from wifey. But LE doesn't look twice at GFs or mistresses - so the risk of getting laid decreases significantly. Going to dinner with a mistress or GF is explainable, because she probably hasnt boinked 500 other guys in the past year, so she has some anonymity.

Cost-wise, a wife is most expenisve. After amortizing costs such as houses, cars, country club memberships, jewelery and clothes, I'd guess getting laid by my ex, ran about $14,000/orgasm.

Costs are fixed with a provider, so thats reasonable. A GF prides herself on putting out for free, thats good. A mistress may demand certain expenses be paid or trips provided, so its a bit unknown, but still cheaper than a wife.

What do you guys and chicks think?

h4c, risk adverse, but cost conscious

[Hotpuppy]

The appellation "GFE" has always been confusing to me. Is it like the "Elvis Experience", almost but not really. Or is it just like your girlfriend, with all that goes with it, good and bad. It has been my experience, that no provider I have ever seen, has been anything like any girlfriend I ever had. It is precisely why I am involved in the hobby. If I wanted the intimacy, and the work and the compromising and the arguments, I would be pursuing a girlfriend. Of course if a provider likes to DFK, and BBBJ and appreciates DATY and we discover some affinity and rapport, all the better, because I like that as well.
take care HP

[fannyhillusa]

GFE? That means so many things to so many people. We (providers) try to give everyone the best experience. I, personally, like to think you will want to come back to see me. But since GFE means so many things to so many people, some are in for a let down.

Kissing: Oh how I love to kiss. It helps me get "in the mood" and it is just plain ole fun. But sometimes you just do not click and kissing would be very awkward. Hopefully, we will come to the "clicking" conclusion during the chit chat getting to know you phase of our visit.

Sometimes one visitor will have the time of his life. maybe he is fullfilling the BFE for me (since I am single sometimes it is nice to have a temp boyfriend). He writes a review and really talk me up...I am the best, ya know, ya'll have all read those kinds of reviews. Well his hobby bud, Joe Blow, decides he wants to give it a go with me. He comes in EXPECTING the red carpet and does not even try to talk to me....his clothes are coming off while he rings the dorr bell. He is a real creep. I am not going to feel all lovy to him and chances are his experience will not be the same as his buddy's. SO to get a GFE, be a BFE. It really does not take much more than talking to me and listening to a story about my dogs or something. I mean what is 10 mins when you will probably get a few extra minutes at the end anyway? I know some thing "we are paying you...why should we act a certain way?" Well that is the difference between YMMV and YMWillV. If we agree on 2 hours, you will get two hours...but if you are nice to me you might get two AMAZING hours opposed to 2 good hours.

Back to what is a GFE... Well like I said I prefer to think of myself as a temporary lover. A GF will nag you in due time. I am not a nag....~wink~. A GF will want more from you and call you and want to talk alll of the time. Once we are past the get to know you part of the visit...~wink~ well you get the idea. Providers (well most of us) are professionals and do not wish to cause you any trouble. No calls from us....that might get you in trouble and then you will not come back to visit.

And what is this about not wanting you to see other ladies? Heck, I will invite them over to join us....LOL.

So do ya really want the GFE?

xxxooofanny

[Gooey2k]

Hey Ozzy,

email me, I have a question for you

gooey2k@yahoo.com

[hot4chicks]

, a true GFE would be to go shopping, have her pick out your ties, spend money wining and dining her - then have her say she's waiting till you're committed to her, before she puts out.

There are so many women like that in NY bars. I was once at the Monkey Bar and these two chicks actually knew what the pecking order was at various companies and what their cut-off level was for dating guys.



[Edited by hot4chicks on 06-18-2001 at 02:09 PM]

[Monk]

What is GFE? It's easier to define what it isn't.

Providers who:

•Blow off their appointments
•Don't try to make any connection with you but who mechanically "go through the motions"
•Don't speak English well enough to communicate
•Have lousy skills
•Have tons of rules, which they recite as the session begins
•Who won't let you touch, suck or otherwise engage in various erogenous zones
•Who waste tons of your time telling you about their pet ferret
•Who, after five minutes of sex, tell you it's time to "come"
•Who smell bad, or simply haven't washed since their last session
•Who hussle you for each additional service, instead of setting a flat fee
•Who take phone calls during the session
•Who ate a tuna fish sandwich for lunch just before seeing you and proceed to give you a DFK
•Who are drunk or high
•Who are as fascinated as they can be to learn everything about your wife
•Who tell you that you have a "hang up" when you can't come a second time in an hour session (or otherwise insult you.

I could go on. (Unfortunately, most of the above have happened to me.)

[fishfry]

It's like all the "gourmet" delicatessans in NY. The word doesn't mean a thing. It's just a word they put on their awning because everybody else does.

A true GFE makes you feel like you're the only guy she enjoys being with. You feel like she really likes you personally. It's a high art for a sexworker to provide that feeling to many men. Perhaps one woman in a hundred, if that, is capable of it.

But the guys say they want it, so just like the gourmet delis, the women all say they are GFE.

And to make matters worse, a few totally clueless men have decided that GFE means a bareback blowjob and kissing. Puhleeze guys, you can get a bbbj from a streetwalker who's got your dick in her mouth and your wallet in your hand. Particular sex acts have nothing at all to do with GFE.

Finally, a woman may provide a GFE to one guy and not to another. It's really impossible for anyone to provide a GFE to every guy who walks in the door.

Maybe the best analogy is Miller Genuine Draft beer. Now we all know that draft beer by definition comes directly from a keg. It is logically impossible by the very meaning of the word for draft beer to come from a bottle. But that doesn't stop the Miller company from putting yellow liquid in a bottle and calling it draft beer.

When a woman has a website claiming GFE, just think of draft beer. The very nature of GFE is impossible to bottle and sell in a supermarket.

[Slinky Bender]

"When a woman has a website claiming GFE, just think of draft beer."

I always wondered why they had women in bikinis all over the beer commercials......

[jgd]

GFE to me is BBBJ, DFK, DATY and no nagging or bitching of any kind!!!

[Hotpuppy]

fishfry,
well said, similar to "gourmet" is "natural"- makes me nuts
take care HP

[Eye Won]

This morning I wrote a really long post and I saaw it posted and now it's gone.....
What gives Slinky........ Im real curious....
Imperialone...OUT!!!!!!

[Slinky Bender]

You mean this one ??????

http://www.utopiaguide.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=982

[Edited by slinkybender on 06-18-2001 at 05:07 PM]

[HornDogBuddah]

I appreciate FannyHillUSA's insights. They confirm what most of us have long suspected -- a GFE requires more than $ (the symbol, not the amount) from the us, the buyers. $ buys you mechanical sex. Sometimes (surprise, surprise!) the mechanical sex you get is not as good as the sex you could give yourself (assuming you are manually dextrous). If you invest a little of yourself (other than your wallet), you might find that she becomes more interested in the human connection and the mileage that you get may, indeed, vary, but it will be significantly better than that which you would have gotten had you omitted making the "investment."

But with a new-to-me provider, if I have her clit in my mouth (which activity I do not always do -- HER mileage may vary), and she is writhing and moaning and spasming, I may be thinking, is the pleasure that I'm getting from this act of BFE (giving pleasure is something that I enjoy, to be honest) going to be reciprocated? Is this going to be one of those investments that do not get repaid? If I'm doing it because it gives me pleasure, without any expectation that it will increase my mileage, then I'm getting my money's worth, aren't I?

And BTW, ladies, if DATY does not give you pleasure, and if you will only fake a come, then you will be doing your BFE wannabes a disservice by not telling them. Letting him know that you enjoy it but cannot (or will not) come will allow him to reposition his actions so that they reflect reality. (DATY may be very important to his pleasure, regardless of yours.) Most of us like to think that we can tell (most of the time) when you are faking. The charade is not worth the game. You'll give more value and suffer less resentment if you refrain from the obvious theatrics and bogus behaviors.

My $0.03. (Inflation, ya know.)

[Geezy Muldoon]

GFE, in my humble experience, is useful merely as a shorthand description for the type of session in which the prostitute has been able to convince the john with whom she is with that his sexual urges are of more importance than the chores she anticipates doing before she goes to bed that night. Since women have been raised to expect and manipulate the projections of mens' desires unto their "frail" personages, the GFE illusion is readily accomplished by those prostitutes: (1) who have a reasonable talent for, and skill at dissembling*; (2) who would be rated as appearing to be sexually desirable in a more or less "objective" sense by most johns; and, (3) who provide the services considered as constituting sexual intimacy (e.g., BBJ, DFK, DATY, etc.).

*Since prostitutes have sex with abnormally large numbers of men and thus, as a matter of psychological survival and self-respect, can attach absolutely nothing of any importance to any particular encounter with any particular john, the skill at dissembling is clearly the largest part of any GFE illusion.

[Ezrlove]

GFE to me is when you forget that the fun you are having (in bed or out of bed) is a finacial transaction.

At the end of the evening you feel like a new man with a positive outlook on life.

When both parties can truly enjoy each others company.

When you want to call her the next day.

[fishfry]

Originally posted by jgd
GFE to me is BBBJ, DFK, DATY and no nagging or bitching of any kind!!!

Is it a gfe to you if you get the above activities but the girl is completely impersonal?

[Ozzy]

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[Edited by Ozzy on 07-11-2001 at 05:35 PM]

[hot4chicks]

Would it be GFE if she starts talking about her Mom and how crampy she feels? How you never take her out since she started spreading her legs?

Funny, how none of the lurker chicks have commented on this. How much extra does a GFE cost? I mean how difficult is it for these wanna-be actresses to act like you got them hot and to hang on every word you said?

h4c, who wishes women could act like women again

[Geezy Muldoon]

Providers can't provide any serious comments in this thread for reasons set forth in my earlier post. 'Cause that's just the way it is with no bullshit added. Think any working provider is just going to agree and admit that's the way it is? They'd lose business.

[hot4chicks]

No offense to anyone, but when I go out to eat, if I complain to a waiter at a nice restaurant and he says, take it or leave it, thats the way it is - now, wheres my tip? - I'd never go back. It just doesnt happen. Nice places with any interest in customer happiness 'comp' customers for poor service or products. It seems only in this hobby that providers are non-chalant about providing good service. It's almost as if its a they see each customer as a mark to be fleeced and sent home.

GFE or not, service sells in every business, especially service oriented ones. Personally, I get tired of hearing how tired providers get, or jaded. If you cant service customers, they simply dont come back.

h4c, always willing to pay a premium for good service

[Carl M]

I totally agree with you about the girl being jaded. I have seen this many times where the girl started out being the ultimate GFE, then fame went to her head and the service declined.

[sigma089]

This first one was posted by ks on ***'s philly board, back in dec 1999 when she was a bit more active. I had such a good laugh I saved it:

" Lots of guys talk about the GFE - I was thinking of offering this as a special:

1. When you arrive, I'll still be doing my hair and makeup. I'll make some passive-aggresive remarks about your being five minutes late.

2. I'll try on several outfits, asking "Does this make me look fat?" and "Does this look better with or without the belt?" I'll also ask you "Are you really going to wear that sweater?"

3. When your eyes glaze over, I'll ask "What are you thinking?"

4. We'll watch Sleepless in Seattle, and I'll ask you if you think Meg Ryan is better looking than me. I'll cry at the end and then I'll announce "We need to talk."

5. I'll answer the phone when it rings and have long, gossipy conversations with my girl friends/gay male friends.

6. When you mention going fishing with your friends this weekend, I'll pout. I really don't like your friends - they're such slackers and you could do much better.

7. If we do have sex, I won't do anything the least bit freaky. I'll just lie there, without moving a muscle, fantasizing about Brad Pitt.

Doesn't that sound like fun?"

======

I don't remember which provider posted this one, or when or where it was first posted, but I liked it a lot, too. I've even added a few points to it:

"I've always been confused about the "Girl Friend Experience" with clients... Everyone seems to have a different definition. So I asked a lot of guys about what it's like with their girlfreinds, and how it is different from being with a provider, and I think, based on that I finally understand how to give the perfect "GFE"! Here's what I need to do:

1. Instead of just calling me to make an appointment, you'll need to call me every day.

2. If you don't call me every day, when we do get together we'll spend the hour (better yet 2 hours) talking about our relationship, and your problem with intimacy.

3. I'll never let you watch sports in peace. And you will NEVER, EVER watch porn in my presence! In fact, better not even think about it.

4. You'll have to take me out to dinner.

5. I'll nag at you and demand a lot.

6. I'll complain when you leave the toilet seat up.

7. I will absolutely insist on you seeing no other providers, or even thinking about them. I'll ask questions like "Am I fatter than so and so"? and when you reply "No, of course not." then I'll say "So you HAVE been seeing so and so!" and lock myself in the bathroom to cry and call all my friends and tell them what a jerk you are.

8. Instead of taking a few days off during my PMS and period, I'll expect you to be there and be understanding through every second.

9. When we do get to bed, I'll refuse to do french or greek. In fact, why don't you just hold me?

There! Have I got it right?"

[LIDAWN]

harsh words....... so what is it you really want out of the experience.. orgasm and no complaints about who lays in the wet spot?
grin wink

HI EZ

[hot4chicks]

Sounds like providers want to be mistresses.

Funny how no provider has chimed in that she is the ultimate GFE - fun, great sex, call when you want. It's a fantasy, too bad no providers offer it.

[Ezrlove]

Miss You Dawn

[mercydancer]

Originally posted by hot4chicks
Sounds like providers want to be mistresses.

Funny how no provider has chimed in that she is the ultimate GFE - fun, great sex, call when you want. It's a fantasy, too bad no providers offer it.

Seeing as everyone has their own opinion of what GFE really means what purpose would those claim hold.
There would always be one guy that would say that's not true,which would eventually cause some sort of argument,or disagreement,which would ultimately just cause someone's feelings to get hurt.

"Flies won't fall into a closed mouth"-old biker saying.

[hot4chicks]

Here's an idea.

Why not ask a guy what his ideas are about GFE and do them?

Just like a provider would ask a guy if he wants her to act out other fantasies.

h4c, living in a vodka induced fantasy of his own

[LIDAWN]

for the record who do you guys think is gfe and why?
just curious?....
feel free to not answer if i am out of line?
xxoo
dawn

[hot4chicks]

Some of the Brazillian girls are GFE because they are always happy to see you, make you feel like they've been waiting for you and interested that you have a fun time.

Kind of like having dinner at Le Cirque, a little cheaper though.

[Phantom]

Dawn,

Maybe your question is better posed to other providers. Ask them if they think that they provide a GFE and why they think so.

Out of all the providers that post regularly on this board only one has come forth and posted what she thinks is GFE and she isn't even from the NYC/NJ/CT area.

[Geezy Muldoon]

Think

[Edited by Judge Crater on 07-25-2001 at 01:02 PM]

[Body2see]

Hmmmm......GFE , in my book is the only way to go (smile).....................Hugs and kisses



[Edited by body2see on 06-25-2001 at 08:24 AM]

[candie]

hugs ... !!

[robnotbob]

Whatever the hell GFE is, Dawn is/was it.

Don't necessarily have to be BB to be GFE...case in point Jackie Jewel.

However, mutual respect, a laugh or two or three, these all help.

My .02

[Phantom]

Originally posted by Body2see
Hmmmm......GFE , in my book is the only way to go (smile).....................Hugs and kisses

BL


Gee Body2see, I pray everynight for that experience with you to come true.

Wanna make my dream come true?

My offer to you is still good.

[Edited by Phantom on 06-20-2001 at 03:54 PM]

[jmp]

I'd have to agree with those who have said that GFE is not merely a set list of acts that the provider will perform.

For me, the core of a GFE is when the provider makes me believe that she enjoyed our time together. In order for that to happen, there needs to be at least a sense of open communication between us.

Of course, for those of us who like to have at least the pretense of a personal connection, YMMV applies in spades, not just because different providers have different characters that appeal to different hobbyists, but because in order to form the level of interaction that I'm looking for, it helps if the provider has a certain level of comfort with me. That will vary not only from provider to provider, and from client to client, but between specific combinations.

A provider with whom I form a strong connection might not be able to form that connection with another client, while that client might have a strong connection with a provider with whom I just don't click. Each of us might perceive that we get a GFE from one, but not the other, without it really being a reflection on the ability of those providers to provide a GFE. In my limited experience, it is the exception rather than the rule to find a woman who can provide this type of experience consistently for all clients.

So, if I get some kind of inkling that a provider wouldn't feel comfortable with me, I'm not going to pursue a meeting with her, no matter how well she's been reviewed. A great example is a provider who says she doesn't see young clients. I can predict with a fair level of confidence that those provders will not be comfortable enough around me to form the sort of connection I'm looking for.

I mean no disrespect to the ladies who choose not to see younger clients. In fact, I commend you for being up front about it, since it saves me the time, effort, and $$ (or $$$$) of a meeting that will most likely be less than stellar, no matter how skilled you are. Unfortunately, most of the things that factor into the YMMV equation aren't nearly as easy to spot in advance.

[Phantom]

I'm just saying to the providers who say that they give a GFE, what is it that they do makes them think that they provide a GFE.

[Ozzy]

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[Edited by Ozzy on 07-11-2001 at 05:35 PM]

[Carl M]

Originally posted by LIDAWN
for the record who do you guys think is gfe and why?
just curious?....
feel free to not answer if i am out of line?
xxoo
dawn


What a Naughty little Girl, sure miss you!! You know who the GFE is with those intangible qualities that are now non existant out here on the Perimeter of Hell called Long Island!- Im beggin you COME BACK!! Sorry Slinky Im a shell of the person I used to be!!!

[robnotbob]

Gabby was a doll, as is B2S..the best! Don't know if a meeting in a "public" place translates into GFE in the boudoir. One would hope....

[wsb]

Originally posted by hot4chicks


Kind of like having dinner at Le Cirque, a little cheaper though.

I hate to drag up the past, but if in your view Julie's was akin to McDonald's, I don't see how the Brazilian girls could be akin to Le Cirque??? Having dined at both many times there aren't many providers that I would equate with the latter. The former, well........., but I do find your logic slightly puzzling.

--WSB

[wsb]

Originally posted by Phantom
I'm just saying to the providers who say that they give a GFE, what is it that they do makes them think that they provide a GFE.

Now that's a good question!!!

[Slinky Bender]

Isn't Sirio known for treating his "best" customers very differently than the "masses", coming out of the kitchen with plates of stuff which doesn't appear on the menu and feeding them to the "selected few" ???

[wsb]

Originally posted by hot4chicks
Some of the Brazillian girls are GFE because they are always happy to see you, make you feel like they've been waiting for you and interested that you have a fun time.

By the way, I **do** generally agree with the above statement though. Brazilian women, and indeed Latin women in general, seem to have an innate ability to provide a GFE. Probably b/c as a group, though fairly religious, they are significantly less inhibited and repressed sexually than their North American counterparts.

--WSB (who is on his way to call Nici to inquire if JLo provides on the side)

[wsb]

You are correct SB, but I doubt even the "masses" leave feeling that they got anything other than exceptional service.

I suppose it is a pretty silly debate to discuss which restaurant a provider most closely resembles. However, you would have to agree that there is a pretty vast chasm between McDonald's and LeCirque and remembering H4C's now infamous comment, I couldn't help but call him on it. I find it hard to believe that a similarly vast chasm exists between the two service models in question.

--WSB

[hot4chicks]

wsb- I still dont understand how anyone could consider Julies anything more than the McDonalds of cheap sex.

I was referring to UTR Venezuelan and Brazillian women who Ozzy has tipped his hat to.

[Ozzy]

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[Edited by Ozzy on 07-11-2001 at 05:36 PM]

[Bill Furniture]

B2S, you're simply the best!

[Slinky Bender]

So, which provider most closely resembles:

1) Hogs and Heifers ?
2) China Fun ?
3) Gray's Papaya ?
4) Cafe Greco ?
5) Tossed ?
6) Rasputin ?
7) Boca Chica ?
8) Bubby's ?
9) Cowgirl Hall of Fame ?
10) Jezebel ?
11) Delicia Brazil ?
12) The Red Rail ?
13) Barking Dog ?
14) The Independant ?
15) Prune ?

[wsb]

Originally posted by Ozzy
a person who IS so respectful, honest, gracious and has all those other intangables....than she's more than worthy of LeCirque.

Sounds like Sirio, but again, I'm not really objecting as much to the comparison to LeCirque as I am to the disparity between H4C's characterization of Julie's as McD's and the Brazilians as LeCirque. Since, absent some special circumstances, it is hard to imagine anyone seriously believes that such a disparity exists between the providers in question, he has clearly either marked one too low or the other too high.


[/QUOTE]
and not everyone eating at LeCirque tonight is a better person than those eating or serving in some mc donalds....... [/QUOTE]

Well, there you go again. I never said anything about the people working or eating at either being better or worse than the other. Indeed, I clearly stated that I had eaten at both many times, so let's not get caried away. Funny statement from the most politically incorrect guy on the board.

--WSB

[Slinky Bender]

"Funny statement from the most politically incorrect guy on the board"

Hey, I resent that.

[wsb]

SB --

If Patrick Bateman were a member I'm sure he could answer your question and then some.

--WSB

[Ozzy]

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[Edited by Ozzy on 07-11-2001 at 05:36 PM]

[Ozzy]

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[Edited by Ozzy on 07-11-2001 at 05:36 PM]

[hot4chicks]

wsb et al - OK, maybe a better characterization is that Julies is the Walmart of sex - fairly priced goods in a non-pretentious setting.

Some other women, such as ozzy's friends, and others who are not 'net groupies, can be gracious and lovely.

And the price reflects the quality and setting.

h4c, wondering if this means his days are numbered on UG now

[MrNY]

I can answer: #1, 5, 6, 12, 13 and 15 with one name - Wait let me take a hit of Thorizine first.................

B2S - WELCOME BACK !! You, your fabulous B2S and that great personality have been VERY missed around these parts - PLEASE "stick around" ;) Also, email me: p_nis_y2k@yahoo.com

So, which provider most closely resembles:

1) Hogs and Heifers ?
5) Tossed ?
6) Rasputin ?
12) The Red Rail ?
13) Barking Dog ?
15) Prune ?

And, after today, I'm at The Palm.........

[wsb]

I'll bet MrNY would say:

Asia de Cuba = A1N (though I don't believe they have anything ball-shaped on the menu)??????

I'll bet he also knows some good providers who could be described as "Zen Palate"???

I wouldn't mind finding a few providers who could be described as: Indochine, Vong, Daniel, Jean-Georges, Aquavit or even the Four Seasons. Restaurants aside, any provider who looks like Monica Bellucci should also feel free to apply. Perhaps I should do an RFP???

OK, I've neglected my work long enough.

--WSB (who's on his way to grab a quick plate of tuna tartare and a nice glass of chardonnay)

[MrNY]

"...--WSB (who's on his way to grab a quick plate of tuna tartare and a nice glass of chardonnay)..."

[wsb]

Originally posted by Ozzy
politically incorrect guy

no, just honest.



At this point, it would probably be appropriate for Justme should join the discussion to point Ozzy to his recent gay bashing posts :) I think SB has actually become pretty politically correct since becoming a mod.

--WSB (typical NY liberal)

P.S. to H4C --

I'm expecting Pat and Johnb to arrive any moment to string you up :)

[MrNY]

I do LOVE Asia de Cuba (know the owners)

But, have a special fancy for Chinoiserie (park and 28th-ish) - After all, they have golf-ball shaped dumplings...



[Edited by MrNY on 06-20-2001 at 07:31 PM]

[Slinky Bender]

Yes, but how do they serve them/how do you eat them ? ( i.e. what utensile do you use ??? ).

[Paige]

use the only *real* utensil out there
"SPORK"

[MrNY]

The correct answer to THAT trick question is:

Why, you use a garden-hose, OF COURSE ....

Silly Slinky....

P.S. For those who care, the first time that I met myself for out (of doors) for a social "meeting" was at Asia de Cuba...

[justme]

No, it would be a good time to stay the hell away from any 'friendly' debate between two of the more heavily shoulder chipped posters on UG.

[MrNY]

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[wsb]

Originally posted by Paige
use the only *real* utensil out there
"SPORK"

Speaking of politically incorrect........

Seriously folks, did I understand you correctly MrNY? You met yourself (i.e., A1N) at A de C??? How good was that call [patting self on back]???

--WSB

[MrNY]

It just shows that YOU and I have been doing this board-stuff WAY TOO LONG ....

But, good call !

[HornDogBuddah]

MrNY = A1N?! WSB: you definitely da man!

[Edited by HornDogBuddah on 06-20-2001 at 11:25 PM]

[Ozzy]

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[Edited by Ozzy on 07-11-2001 at 05:33 PM]

[ginny1]

Originally posted by fannyhillusa
GFE? That means so many things to so many people. We (providers) try to give everyone the best experience. I, personally, like to think you will want to come back to see me. But since GFE means so many things to so many people, some are in for a let down.

Kissing: Oh how I love to kiss. It helps me get "in the mood" and it is just plain ole fun. But sometimes you just do not click and kissing would be very awkward. Hopefully, we will come to the "clicking" conclusion during the chit chat getting to know you phase of our visit.

Sometimes one visitor will have the time of his life. maybe he is fullfilling the BFE for me (since I am single sometimes it is nice to have a temp boyfriend). He writes a review and really talk me up...I am the best, ya know, ya'll have all read those kinds of reviews. Well his hobby bud, Joe Blow, decides he wants to give it a go with me. He comes in EXPECTING the red carpet and does not even try to talk to me....his clothes are coming off while he rings the dorr bell. He is a real creep. I am not going to feel all lovy to him and chances are his experience will not be the same as his buddy's. SO to get a GFE, be a BFE. It really does not take much more than talking to me and listening to a story about my dogs or something. I mean what is 10 mins when you will probably get a few extra minutes at the end anyway? I know some thing "we are paying you...why should we act a certain way?" Well that is the difference between YMMV and YMWillV. If we agree on 2 hours, you will get two hours...but if you are nice to me you might get two AMAZING hours opposed to 2 good hours.

Back to what is a GFE... Well like I said I prefer to think of myself as a temporary lover. A GF will nag you in due time. I am not a nag....~wink~. A GF will want more from you and call you and want to talk alll of the time. Once we are past the get to know you part of the visit...~wink~ well you get the idea. Providers (well most of us) are professionals and do not wish to cause you any trouble. No calls from us....that might get you in trouble and then you will not come back to visit.

And what is this about not wanting you to see other ladies? Heck, I will invite them over to join us....LOL.

So do ya really want the GFE?

xxxooofanny



fanny,
well put i feel the same way i enjoy what i do for those same reasons as u posted above well its nice to know there is someone else who i can relate with on this matter.
guys reading this should kinda give some of u an idea of how we fell speaking for me and her i cant speak for others.
ginny

[hot4chicks]

My idea of GFE includes being able to spell.

[mercydancer]

Originally posted by Ozzy
what gay bashing???



but i am not going to change the way i speak on a board where all of us are involved in an illegal activity almost everyday.......some everyday, and some talking about how good some girl sucked his dick......but you have a problem with me saying the word fag. referring to girls on this board as whores is fine....but gays as fags is not.


lets not talk about political correctness in here of all places. if anyone was offended than speak up and i'll apologize to them, but i think a heterosexual prostitution board is the last place you will find a fag...ooops sorry..... homosexual american for me to apologize.



This is a free country and everyone has the right to their opinion and free speach. Personally, I dont like ANY man calling me a whore outside of roleplay. I can call myself that,not any man.As for the term "fag"as an openly bisexual who used to only be lesbian,yes I find it offensive. Homosexual, gay, or anything else,fine.Fag,dyke,offensive.

That does not mean that I would not defend to my death your right to free speach.I dont have to agree or even like what someone says or thinks to defend their right to say it or think it.

So before things turn an ugly turn, why dont we just agree to disagree as long as its done in a respectfull way.

Besides, we have more important issues to discuss.
Rates,positions,3somes,4somes,groupsomes,whipped cream vs. honey,etc................

[wimpy]

Mercy,

I agree.

But nothing beats the frozen grapes

[Body2see]

Any good parties for the fourth of July ?



[Edited by body2see on 06-25-2001 at 08:21 AM]

[hot4chicks]

Ozzy- Stop pissing off all the whores and gays around here. Otherwise they wont advertise with UG.

Wait, they dont advertise now, do they?

[Ozzy]

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[Edited by Ozzy on 07-11-2001 at 05:33 PM]

[Geezy Muldoon]

Agreed. Whore is completely pejorative and denotes deceit above and beyond that which should be ordinarily expected in the skin trade. Only some prostitutes should properly considered to be whores.

[thelastone]

GFE is a term used for the "ideal" girl friend, without the strings and hassles, (therefore the experience, not the actual relationship).

I think most of those providers that sigma reposted on, are missing the point. When your dating this girl and everything is going well, the sex is something different from a one night stand. Theres more of a connection and the sex is that much better because of it. Its called a GFE because thats what makes the difference.

It might be best described as, what isn't GFE. Mechanical sex is something I'm sure we can all agree on. And I'm sure that all of us, at one time or another has met up with a provider that just goes through the motions. This would not be GFE.

Now we all connect to women differently, hence we all have different definitions of GFE.

Just boiling it down to the above provider lists, shows that those providers just don't understand.

We want the gf experience, not the gf.
We don't want the purse holding.
We don't want you yentaing up with your friends.

We want the really good parts.
We want the little kinky things that you do that thrill us.
We want to experience good things about a gf, without the hassle of doing the bf things.

last

[Geezy Muldoon]

In other words, we want to be deceived in a spectacular way.

[wimpy]

I guess everyone has there own variation of what "GFE" means to them. Hell I don't knowwhat it is. But when I think of GFE it goes a little something like this.

It does not matter if the women does BBBJ, mulitple positions and so forth. To me what make an experience GFE is having that special moment when you and the provider are one. The Chemistry is perfect. Yes a BBBJ is good but a women can do it covered and if the two of us are on the same page then thats it. Its about looking into the eyes of the women and knowing both of you trust each other. Its about the women wanting to make you happy and herself enjoying he moment. Too many providers will just usher you in and out. Too many times after the deed is done I am out the door. Its about passion. The provider that can make lay in bed and cuddle and talk after the deed is done, well that is GFE. In all the years I have been in the hobby only hand full, have given me the sense of "GFE". And usually they are keepers and in a sense trouble.

You see women could suck my dick to every bit of cum is drawn out, swallow, spit whatever. Its nice, but for me I could put my clothes on and leave and thats that. To me that PSE. But thats a another story.

Remember YMMV, some may call me foolish for what I said but thats "GFE" to me.

Hey, not sure I'll make it tonight to the party but I hope I do. See Ya!!

[wsb]

Ozzy --

I was just joking around with you, but now that you bring it up I'll give you my two cents.

Since you obviously can appreciate the sensitivities of providers who don't wish to be described as "whores", I find it hard to understand how a sensitive guy like yourself can't understand the offensive nature of the term "fag".

Since you brought up Val, I seem to recall that you also objected to the use of the terms "hooker" and "prostitute" in those discussions. Now, I agree that those may not be the most politically correct words to use when referring to providers, but they are indeed commonly used descriptive terms for the profession in question.

Your objection to the above terms that refer to providers, yet your flagrant use of the term "fag" and other derogatory terms concerning homosexuals strikes me as either severely flawed logic or the actions of a highly self-serving person who is seeking to curry favour with a particular group (providers).

As Mercy rightly points out, there are gay individuals who post on these boards, so your assertion that the term is being used away from the ears of those it might offend is similarly incorrect.

By the way, this is not a freedom of speech issue. I am the last person who would try to invoke censorship, to quell ideas with which I disagree. Ozzy is certainly entitled to continue to espouse his incorrect viewpoints.

OK? :)

--WSB

[Thronx]

How about a new expression; DME - devoted mistress experience?

Jtx

[candie]

Mistresses dont normally devote. submissives or slaves are those that normally do.

You usually have to be devoted to them

[Phantom]

I believe Thronx means a mistress as in a kept woman, not a dominantrix (sp?)

[candie]

But then its a girlfriend... runs for cover!

[Monk]

Here's what pisses me off regarding this issue:

You read a review on JAG, ***, wherever. At the end of the review the hobbyist writes: "This was truly a GFE." Yet, nothing in the review points to that conclusion. She was late, she was mechanical, there were tons of "rules", etc., etc. Yes, to each his own. But you begin to wonder if many of the reviewers have ever had GFE so that they could recognize it when they actually experience it. You begin to wonder what their standards are.

Yes, all of these platitudes are true: everyone experiences everything differently. Well, sort of. Science wouldn't exist if this were true. In fact, we could, if we tried hard, find some sort of common ground on which to agree here.

For me, GFE boils down to a provider whose focus during the entire session is on giving me pleasure. If she services me to the best of her ability and I feel welcome in her place of business, I'll want to return. For some providers, it's all about the money, quick turnaround, making each session "hassle free", etc. To my mind, they don't provide GFE.

[Ozzy]

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[Edited by Ozzy on 07-11-2001 at 05:34 PM]

[MrNY]

Shut the f... up and check your email (hotmail) ...

:)

[Slinky Bender]

"She was late, she was mechanical, there were tons of 'rules' "

Sounds like a GF to me......;).

[justme]

VV-
i took some lumps there for sticking up for her. i think I was the only person who agreed with val when she took offense to the word whore

God, it's amazing how differently we remember the tone of that thread. Although I believe the word that she initially objected to was john. Oops, I said john again. I apologize to anyone who's offended. Oh no, I said it again in the last sentence. When will I learn to stop saying john? Oh shit...

JC-
Only some prostitutes should properly considered to be whores.
I'm sorry but that sounds a hell of a lot like, "Only some blacks are niggers"

[Bill Furniture]

my name was John Furniture!

[hot4chicks]

May I politely point out that most of these women wouldnt spread their legs for anyone here if money wasnt involved?

And although you may want to be polite or considerate to someone you buy services from, a plumber is still a plumber, a doorman is still a doorman and a hooker is just a hooker.

[jmp]

Originally posted by hot4chicks

May I politely point out that most of these women wouldnt spread their legs for anyone here if money wasnt involved?

And although you may want to be polite or considerate to someone you buy services from, a plumber is still a plumber, a doorman is still a doorman and a hooker is just a hooker.
You're probably the sort of guy who makes waiters/waitresses lives a living hell.

Working in any service industry is very difficult. If the quality of my experience will improve by not using certain terms to describe the transaction, it's a small price to pay. Call it political correctness if you'd like, but I'm not going to disregard the wishes of these women simply because of the career they happen to be in.

[Geezy Muldoon]

Streets are hard places.

[Edited by Judge Crater on 07-25-2001 at 01:04 PM]

[MrNY]

"Imagine if... my name was John Furniture!"

IT IS your nickname, to all of the ladies...

[Ozzy]

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[Edited by Ozzy on 07-11-2001 at 05:33 PM]

[blackbag99]

LI dawn asked what we think GFE is.

I would like it to be; intensity
I hope it will be; fun
I want it to be; kissing
I need it to be; Sincerly passionate

[K.S.]

A true GFE means you're able to look at this sort of thing and feel nothing but love....

http://voy.com/22886/6.html

[TuckernotSucker]

Our deal is off.

[Carl M]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by blackbag99
LI dawn asked what we think GFE is.

I would like it to be; intensity
I hope it will be; fun
I want it to be; kissing
I need it to be; Sincerly passionate

[/QUOTE

Dont tell me your one of the lurkers. You aren't Colby or the Angel Boys are you! You can ask her if blindness is included or seeing a UFO- LOL!!

[Geezy Muldoon]

K.S.:

Excellent horrendous find. Puts me in mind of Reader or Aristotle on JAG. Probably what all johns look like to prostitutes come to think of it. The picture would be perfection itself for such purpose if a cash machine could be implanted somewhere on the right cheek.

[justme]

KS - thanks for ruining lunch.

JC - Does it remind you of the Recording Angel, too?

[Geezy Muldoon]

justme:

Yeah, Recording Angel too.

[LIDAWN]

so loosing focus is a GFE thing?
or is that just loosing conciousness?
I personnaly felt it was my pleasure to make the man feel like he had sexually won the lottery...
kissing hand holding laughing talking lost in time...
but i could be wrong..
any opinions on this?
LI DAWN
HUGZZZZ

[RoosterC74]

Dawn,

How are things going Dawn? I certainy miss you since your retirement. In response to your questions-the answer to each would have been yes with me. The only thing that you may want to add-is a line about chatting about your wonderful photography work.

I hope all is well with you. Additionally, is the butterfly-stil flying?

[DannyNJ]

Here's what it boils down to for me:

GFE - Greets me with a smile and a hug and seems genuinely happy to see me.
Non GFE - Greets me with a list of rules

GFE - Spends the first few minutes chatting & getting to know each other, showing an interest in me as a person.
Non GFE - Spends the first few minutes explaining the price list for different options, showing an interest in me as a wallet.

GFE - Has a freshly showered scent with just a hint of perfume (not enough to get me in trouble)
Non GFE - Has a stale, "last customer" scent with more than a hint of Old Spice.

GFE - When I attempt to kiss her or ask if kissing is allowed, smiles at me and plants one on me.
Non GFE - When I attempt to kiss her or ask if kissing is allowed, gets wide eyed in horror and shrieks an emphatic "NOOO" as if I had just asked her to let me shit in her mouth.

GFE - Enjoys mutual foreplay for an extended period of time and either enjoys, or pretends to, enjoy it.
Non GFE - Gives me 2 minute unenthusiastic CBJ and then says "ya ready"?

GFE - Tries many different positions, suggesting some of her favorites and asking me what my favorites are.
Non GFE - Lays in missionary position with eyes tightly closed and arms at her sides OR insists on doggy style so she can look at anything but me.

GFE - Spends time afterwards cuddling, talking, lightly rubbing my arms or chest and smiling sweetly.
Non GFE - Jumps out of bed 5 seconds after I cum and proceeds to use alcoholic wipes on every part of her body that I might have possibly touched.

GFE - Regardless of the time, looks at me with a devilish sexy smile and says "I'm up for another round if you think you can handle more of me".
Non GFE - Slams the door shut behind her 40 minutes into the hour.

GFE - Never mentions money and upon handing her the envelope, puts it away without a word so as not to distract from the mood.
Non GFE - Rips open the envelope, counts the money (Twice) in front of me, then asks if I have "a little something extra" for her.

GFE - Stays on my mind for the next 24 hours.
Non GFE - Is forgotten 15 minutes after the session.

[jmp]

Danny, great list. However, I disagree with one of your points, and have one to add...

Originally posted by DannyNJ
Here's what it boils down to for me:

GFE - Stays on my mind for the next 24 hours.
Non GFE - Is forgotten 15 minutes after the session.
Only 24 hours? How about stays on my mind for days afterwards, with the very best leaving me unable to even have any sexual thoughts for a day or two.

Finally, I'd add:
GFE - Makes me immediately start thinking about when I'll be able to work out the time/$$ to see her again.
Non GFE - Makes me wonder why I even bothered in the first place.

[DannyNJ]

jmp - I just used "24 hours" to state the point. I also have had a provider stay on my mind for weeks afterwards AND calculated my finances to see how soon I might be able to see her again.

But after a bad session - I've never had the problem of not having sexual thoughts for days. On the contrary, a bad session usually makes me want to go for another session the same day or next day just to make up for the shitty experience!

[Humble Narrator]

Danny, I like it. This is the first time I have seen someone take the chronological approach with both-end-of-spectrum examples along the way.

Excellent. I hope everyone reads this.

Now that we have this definitive description, how about we move on to the next issue: How to get the GFE experience? Some may say, "Easy, just read the reviews and look for descriptions that match the left column of the list." OK, that's the easy part. What Danny DIDN'T say is that to insure the experience we as guys need to do our part.

Danny, want to take a crack at that same list, but from the provider's side? I don't know if we want to call it the "BFE checklist" or the "GFE Assurance Checklist" or what.

New thread or right here?

HN

[Edited by Humble Narrator on 07-07-2001 at 05:39 PM]

[TuckernotSucker]

Right on
Right on the money / If I appear incoherent its because I am hearing your voice.

[jmp]

Danny, I said that the very BEST of experiences leave me unable to manage sexual thoughts for several days. That is, I was so completely satisfied, not to mention drained, that my body simply has no need for any more activity until it's had a chance to rest.

I agree with you that the worst of experiences leave me looking for something else that very day.

[blackbag99]

I bow to DannyNJ's list.

Danny,

thanks for that lucent, realistic, experienced list.

BB99

[littleguy]

Danny,

Great list. Hahahahahahahahaha

You've got too much time on your hands though.

I think it's time you saw our very special friend and got a "special"

[Carl M]

Originally posted by LIDAWN
so loosing focus is a GFE thing?
or is that just loosing conciousness?
I personnaly felt it was my pleasure to make the man feel like he had sexually won the lottery...
kissing hand holding laughing talking lost in time...
but i could be wrong..
any opinions on this?
LI DAWN
HUGZZZZ

Mmm- First i must say your spelling has improved! LOL!
Lets see here- loosing focus and conciousness- but of course- going into a zone where you do not know where you are! Eyes rolling behind your head! Smelling like wild berries! Feeling nails scratch my back when in that zone! Lost in time- Yep you sure got the picture sweets! talking and oh yes Listening too!