Avoid like the plague!

[mgigolo]

I should have listed to the mixed reviews about Charisma but sometimes little head takes over and I was stupid to think it was a YMMV thing.

She told get undressed and lay down on the bed then started to jerk me off, still with her underwear on, oral defies describing, it was more of a combination of hands and bottom lip, she stopped with her mouth and told me she thought I would cum!!! She told me I could cum on her breasts and then moaned at how messy it was! Anyways simply the worst experience I have had in a long long time and I personally wouldn’t send my worst enemy their. The only consolation was that she dropped the dirty dripping tissues right in her lap and had to run off and wash! A fitting end to an awful experience. I should have left without paying.

[daro]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by mgigolo
[B]I should have listed to the mixed reviews about Charisma but sometimes little head takes over and I was stupid to think it was a YMMV thing
I should have left without paying.

Mr. G., when did you pay? It sounds like you paid at the end of the session. If that's true, you should have pro rated the fee
in accordance with the service she provided. No way should you
have paid her a $$.50 or $$$ fee. IMHO. But then again, I don't know what services you and her negotiated. But still you got fucked.

[mgigolo]

$$$ upfront on the dresser and when I was getting dressed to leave had the balls to ask me "sweetie don't you think I deserve a tip"

Get real

[daro]

Originally posted by mgigolo
$$$ upfront on the dresser and when I was getting dressed to leave had the balls to ask me "sweetie don't you think I deserve a tip"

Get real

I know this doesn't help. But was the money still on the dresser
when you were done. Or when she went running into the other
room to clean up, was the money accessible to you.
It would take big balls on your part to do it. But one of these days
somebody has to step up to the plate and knock one of these cunts out of the ballpark. IMHO.

[VoluptuousVixen]

"has to step up to the plate and knock one of these cunts out of the ballpark"...crude rhetoric (even though mgigolo was jipped).

'maybe sometimes one of those 'cunts' wouldnt have a problem if there was more of a bat to play with'.

[Daniel_NYC]

Popcorn, Candy, Cold drinks!

Get your cold drinks here!

Candy!

Popcorn!









let the game begin!

[VoluptuousVixen]

you know what they say - women wouldn't be such 'cranks' if men were self starters...

btw, your rhetoric is always lovely.

[Monk]

Originally posted by daro
[QUOTE]Originally posted by mgigolo
[B]No way should you have paid her a $$.50 or $$$ fee. IMHO. But then again, I don't know what services you and her negotiated. But still you got fucked.

The problem was he didn't get fucked.

[daro]

V.V., my crude rhetoric was directed at one 45 year old over
the hill provider, who has some balls to charge $$$ for that
kind of service and then turn on the charm and try to squeeze a tip out of MR. G. He was at fault for not listening to the reviews
on this piece of shit cunt.
As for a bigger bat to play with. That would only give her a reason to charge him more. Possibly $ per inch. LOL.
Sorry if I hit a nerve. It just seems that a lot of guys are
getting fucked lately. Maybe it's due to their own stupidity.
Maybe it's because a lot of providers change the rules after
the lineup cards have been exchanged.
I'll pass on the popcorn, peanuts, and soda.
V.V. you have a nice day.

[jseah]

Originally posted by daro
V.V., my crude rhetoric was directed at one 45 year old over
the hill provider, who has some balls to charge $$$ for that
kind of service and then turn on the charm and try to squeeze a tip out of MR. G. He was at fault for not listening to the reviews
on this piece of shit cunt.
As for a bigger bat to play with. That would only give her a reason to charge him more. Possibly $ per inch. LOL.
Sorry if I hit a nerve. It just seems that a lot of guys are
getting fucked lately. Maybe it's due to their own stupidity.
Maybe it's because a lot of providers change the rules after
the lineup cards have been exchanged.
I'll pass on the popcorn, peanuts, and soda.
V.V. you have a nice day.

Tense???? Too much coffee lately???? Or been trying to kick the habit and have been drinking decaf???

[daro]

Originally posted by jseah


Tense???? Too much coffee lately???? Or been trying to kick the habit and have been drinking decaf???

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No I rarely drink coffee. Only after late night poker games.
No I'm in a great mood today. A nice weekend. I just am in one of
those speak my mind, and if you got a problem, go fuck yourself
moods. I mean no woman is paying me $$$ to fuck them.
But yet this provider, same age as me, can demand $$$ to fuck
her, and all of a sudden she straps it ( hypothetically) and
gives the guy a good fucking over. And then, the I Felta Thigh
Sorority Provider Sisters all chime in to her defense. Get real.

[zoulou]

Originally posted by mgigolo
I should have listed to the mixed reviews about Charisma but sometimes little head takes over and I was stupid to think it was a YMMV thing.


Sorry to hear, i was also thinking about visiting with her but after doing some research and exchanging *****s I had a sense she was a long shot....but she looks good. Thanks for the review.

[jseah]

Originally posted by daro


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No I rarely drink coffee. Only after late night poker games.
No I'm in a great mood today. A nice weekend. I just am in one of
those speak my mind, and if you got a problem, go fuck yourself
moods. I mean no woman is paying me $$$ to fuck them.
But yet this provider, same age as me, can demand $$$ to fuck
her, and all of a sudden she straps it ( hypothetically) and
gives the guy a good fucking over. And then, the I Felta Thigh
Sorority Provider Sisters all chime in to her defense. Get real.

LOL.....your posts lately have been a blast to read....

anytime you wanna go for a beer....count me in.

[VoluptuousVixen]

and who the heck would pay you $$$ with that attitude and such frogs and toads that come out of your mouth; brotha.

Review away negatively all you want but why don't you refrain from such ugly words...I think you must be Werner's evil twin.

[Kimmie]

I can not believe what I am reading here...

Jseah, I am so disappointed...

I wish there was an ignore button feature here..

[JoeyP]

Mgigilo did you ever hit a nerve!!!

V.V. He's not talking about you!....?.....!.....?....!

[jimbo44]

I had the opportunity to see Charisma more than once, 1x just her & I , and 2x at a swing club in NYC. I always had a great time. So, perhaps it was YMMV?

[VoluptuousVixen]

He is not talking about me - It does hit a nerve when you call someone in such fashon. Ever since I've been a kid, I could never stand bullies or people who talk very nasty about others in such a way.(remember its the rhetoric not the negative review I am referring to).

IE: Let's say there was a board with mainly PROVIDERS on it. It's like one sayin, "Chiiiiiiiiiild - don't waste your time for $$$ with the squealin piggy who has bad breath and who needs underarm deodarant...his pigglywiggly's soooooooo small i just couldn't find it underneath that maaasive stomache of his...save up your pennies giiiiiiirl and wait for a decent one. Lordy bee -- I can't believe you know it was over so fast I didn't know it was in!"

[evegirl]

Originally posted by JoeyP
Mgigilo did you ever hit a nerve!!!

V.V. He's not talking about you!....?.....!.....?....!

Doesn't matter who he's talking about... he's talking about one of US - the girls, and if we don't stick up for each other, who's going to, exactly?

I think what V.V. was objecting to was the (a) downright vulgar rudeness, and (b) lack of respect for the lady involved, and (c) suggestions that you should have 'pro-rated' or 'taken the money back' after the session.

The whole business is YMMV boys, you pay, you play. You don't like it, play more carefully. He says he read the reviews and that they were "mixed". If there was a lot of bad reviews, he should have known better.

She showed up to the session and did her thing. That's her time, her work - end of story.

Lastly, I can't believe you folks are talking openly about how you would have ripped her off in his shoes - Do you think that would encourage the rest of us to meet with you if you call?

Eve

[VoluptuousVixen]

Amen, Eve.

[daro]

Originally posted by jseah


LOL.....your posts lately have been a blast to read....

anytime you wanna go for a beer....count me in.


Jseah, you name the time and place. Bring Kevin along.
I would love to meet him and you for a few. Thanks again.

[Kimmie]

Originally posted by VoluptuousVixen
He is not talking about me - It does hit a nerve when you call someone in such fashon. Ever since I've been a kid, I could never stand bullies or people who talk very nasty about others in such a way.(remember its the rhetoric not the negative review I am referring to).

IE: Let's say there was a board with mainly PROVIDERS on it. It's like one sayin, "Chiiiiiiiiiild - don't waste your time for $$$ with the squealin piggy who has bad breath and who needs underarm deodarant...his pigglywiggly's soooooooo small i just couldn't find it underneath that maaasive stomache of his...save up your pennies giiiiiiirl and wait for a decent one. Lordy bee -- I can't believe you know it was over so fast I didn't know it was in!"

V V you are too fucking cool!!

Eve, you go girl.

We( providers) are the ones in control. We have your fing dicks in our mouths..

Don't fuck with us..

[*******]

Two wrongs do not make a right.

[daro]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by evegirl
[B]



she showed up to the session and did her thing. That's her time, her work - end of story.
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Not so fast. Somehow I don't think she advertises on her web
or told him over the phone or by *****. The fee is $$$. And for
that I will remove most of my clothes, and while you are on the bed I will jerk you off. Get real. I have no problem with rules
and use of hats, and I don't do that. But what FS or some FS
service did she provide. NONE. I know you want to stick up for
your girl, but you have to be reasonable. I pointed out MR G.
got fucked. But by using the same reason, I ask you to use, he was a dumb ass to hook up with her, based on the horrible reviews written about her. IMHO.
You can't say you play you pay. Are you crazy. You pull, what she
pulled, on the wrong guy and he punches you in the mouth,
I can say the same thing to you. I'm sorry you got no more teeth,
but you play you pay. Eve, think about it, you're an intelligent
woman.
Yeah, I went overboard on the vulgar attitude. I pissed off a few
ladies. I did it for effect. I heard back from some of you. It seems
a lot of you have an us vs you mentality. But that's your choice.
Lastly, it's ok for her to rip him off, but if he took back half the money, that's unheard of. Get real.
Since none of you ladies are on my to do list, and I know I'm not
on any of your xmas card lists, I stand behind what I said.
Yes guys need to be smarter. Do more homework. But ladies,
you can't lead a horse to water, take his $$$, and then piss on
him, and say there's your water. If you don't like it tough shit.
You pay you play. YMMV. And any other letters you want to string
together because you can't spell the words.

[Flounder]

Originally posted by Anjelika
Two wrongs do not make a right.

But 2 Wrights made an airplane.

[Kimmie]

Originally posted by Anjelika
Two wrongs do not make a right.

Thats true. But if some guy gets nasty with me, is disrespectful and calls me a cunt..

Its on..

Show respect, you get respect. You call me a cunt, and try to take back my money I worked for, all bets are off..


Luckily I have had clients that are professional, respectful and perfect gentlemen.

[Flounder]

Originally posted by Kimmie
I can not believe what I am reading here...

Jseah, I am so disappointed...

I wish there was an ignore button feature here..

I didn't see jseah say anything way out of line. Just because he sided with daro's view doesn't mean he's 100% behind it. I think that very few guys would actually take back the money.

Here's a guy MG, who basically got ripped off. He's reporting this to us and from now on, people will have some idea of what to expect from this lady and may avoid her.

[Kimmie]

Bill, my little love muffin, you dont know why I said what I said to Jseah. However, he knows and he gets it..

[evegirl]

Originally posted by daro
[QUOTE]Originally posted by evegirl
[B]

Eve, think about it, you're an intelligent
woman....
..YMMV. And any other letters you want to string
together because you can't spell the words.

I've often thought about how hard it is to feign intelligence when you can't spell...

Look daro - cool down boy. It pisses me off that you would go from "yeah I was a hothead" and "you're intelligent listen to reason" to a rant about me getting my teeth knocked in as some kind of perverted attempt to rationalize your suggestion that she deserved to get ripped off.

She didn't provide full service, I get that. In this business you don't generally pay $$$ unless you're getting FS - fair enough.

But he called a girl with bad reviews, right? And he agreed to the fee, right?

The supposed "flip side" of the coin is me getting the crap kicked out of me (according to you). While the fact that you see your waste of money and my assault as somehow or other analogous points DOES suggest some issues we can probably discuss in another thread some other time, let's, for now, just point out the obvious. The obvious being that if I read a bunch of posts saying that a client out there was beating up girls and that his name was "Mr. X" and that his phone number was ###-#### and then when he called I agreed to meet with him.... let's just say that most people at the VERY LEAST would suggest I could have (um) avoided that situation.

Q. for the Client in question: Did you even ASK for FS? Or did you just lie there thinking, "Wow this HJ sucks!"?

[daro]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kimmie
[B


Show respect, you get respect. You call me a cunt, and try to take back my money I worked for, all bets are off..


Kimmie, if you worked for the money, then you delivered as promised. You earned the money fair and square and it's yours.
With that said, all your customers will treat you well, because
that's how you treated them. No one will call you a c---.
She did not conduct business, like you do, according to Hoyle, that's why I jumped all over her shit.

[*******]

Let's look at this from a clear perspective. It's not about whose in control or males vs. females, or us against them attitude, this is a one hand washes the other type of relationship however moreso it's about the customer and what he wants. If I was a man & expected a certain level of service but did not get what was promised I would be fucking pissed off to say the least if it's happened to me once but I'm sure when this happens to the same gentleman on more than one occassion he has every right to feel angry as long as he doesn't act on that feeling & do something feelish. That's where the board comes into play, it's a good place to vent, gain knowledge & exchange ideas.

Girls, let's say you went to the salon, your were promised a facial, massage, new hairstyle, highlights & blow drying. Your hairdresser gets done & you just get a cold shampoo minus everything else but still have to pay upfront, don't tell me you wouldn't be irate at the least and she works for herself so you can't complain to mananagement either. I'm sure you wouldn't leave out of there with a smile on your face & the only tip she would get is a shoe up her ass. j/k about the shoe part

[jmcurry]

On the one hand, it is sad to see disrespectful language written about even the worst of providers (or johns). After all, this board is supposed to be informative, not derisive. No matter how poor the session, using such demeaning terminology only serves to inflame and injure, it does not contribute anything additional to a simple post warning hobbyists to stay clear.

On the other hand, providers taking the stance that "you pay, you play," tends to abrogate their own involvement or responsibility. Although it may be wrong to take money back once you have left it on the dresser, hobbyists have a right to evaluate a session in terms of some type of cost to service ratio. For example, if they are not satisfied at an incall establishment, they can merely withhold a gratuity. With an Indie, it is admittedly more problematic, but they should be able to fashion a compromise, where the client can tell the provider that the services were not up to his expectations, and he would like a partial refund.

I am cognizant of the manifold difficulties inherent in this plan, but the more general point is that providers and johns need to be open to criticism on both sides. If a session does not meet expectations, it perhaps could be a simple case of YMMV, in which case the provider is also aware that she did give her best. In that scenario, what's wrong with a john asking for some cash back? If the provider feels she gave her best, under difficult circumstances, she might simply be honest and say, "well you weren't clean so the HJ is the best I could do."

Forthrightness might serve everyone well here, as we negotiate arrangements with each other. But using harsh invective and demeaning descriptions, on either side, only polarizes, it does not bring us together.

[jseah]

1. In no way do I advocate calling anyone a "cunt" or being disrespectful.

2. In no way do I advocate taking the money back while she is in the bathroom (that is just plain petty).

3. In no way do I advocate the use of violence.

4. If he felt like he got ripped off, then by all means inform others so they can avoid the same.

5. I thought that the pissy ranting that daro was spouting was funny cause he was sooooo over the top (i.e. maybe he is suffering from IMS).

The people who do know me (in person) know I am not like that.

Thank you for your time.

[Kimmie]

I do not care how much she sucked in the session, or if she did not deliver the service as promised. Tell others what she did. Review her. Hurt her that way.

To suggest someone needs to "knocked one of these cunts out of the ballpark" is disgusting.

The smart thing to have done was discuss the situation with her. Tell her you are not happy with the service. Tell her you thought you would get FS. But to resort to hurting her is a cowards way of dealing with things.

[daro]

Angelika made some honest and intelligent points.
Jmcurry made some honest and intelligent points.
And yes the intelligent one from old Dodger town, evegirl
made some good points. Hopefully both sides can appreciate
where we are both coming from.
Yes, Mr G. was totally wrong for seeing her, based on her reviews.
Nasty patty would have been a better choice.

Eve, like you said $$$ entitles you to somewhat FS. Not a HR.
You and I don't know what the two parties discussed before hand. He got screwed for being stupid. That doesn't make her
smart and blamless, because he was stupid. Both of them are
at fault. He's out $$$ for his stupidity, and she's plus $$$, for
doing dick. ( not his)
As far as your flip side, I didn't imply he beat the crap out of you.
I just meant you can't just always play, that you pay you play
card, and expect it to work. It's a copout. It's like J.C. playing
his race card all the time. It only works if you did your job and
provided the client with a strong defense. That's what will get
him off.
Eve, you won't be reading about me. I don't hit women. I go
over the do's and don'ts before a session. I read the reviews.
Before the money is exchanged, all the game rules are understood
by both parties. Hopefully Mr. G. will take some of it in the future.

[sean960]

Originally posted by Kimmie


V V you are too fucking cool!!

Eve, you go girl.

We( providers) are the ones in control. We have your fing dicks in our mouths..

Don't fuck with us..

Now I'm surprised (and dissapointed),Kimmie !

[SpaMonger]

Originally posted by Kimmie
I can not believe what I am reading here...

Jseah, I am so disappointed...

I wish there was an ignore button feature here..

Kimmie, I too wish there was an ignore button. You my dear are a waste of bandwidth!

[Kimmie]

Finding out that I don't tolerate violents to prostitutes is disappointing??

Any man who is violent or disrespectful to me, is in trouble.

And regardless of what you all may think, in a session providers are in control. You are all at your weakest moments. you are in la la land while we suck you. you are totally and completely ours.

Am I saying we should all bite your dicks off? No.

Just dont give me a reason to feel I need it.

[Kimmie]

Originally posted by SpaMonger


Kimmie, I too wish there was an ignore button. You my dear are a waste of bandwidth!

Oh give me a break.. Whenever a woman shows she doesnt tolerate men hurting her she is insulted and called names..

I am a waste of bandwidth for letting men know that they should not feel they have the right to hurt prostitutes?

[sean960]

I meant,don't stoop to that level,your better than that..

[Kimmie]

Originally posted by sean960
I meant,don't stoop to that level,your better than that..

I am a prostitute.

I am not better then johns, dont you know that by now???

[jseah]

Originally posted by Kimmie


I am a prostitute.

I am not better then johns, dont you know that by now???

You are a human, a woman, and a mother........

that is more important than what you chose for a career.

[daro]

Jseah, we still on for that beer? You still got my back?
I agree with your points 1 through 5. Not being privy to the
negotiations, you don't know if he is or isn't entitled to a
rebate. If he felt he was, he should have spoken up and discussed it with her. He didn't. NO BALLS. You can't threaten
or use violence. Not an intelligent move. He did the only thing he
could do. He informed us. I took up his defense. The same guy, I called shit for brains last week. That's why it went over so well.
Yes, it was soooooo funny because I was sooooo over the top.
So unlike me. I pissed off enough providers out there, that I got
their true and honest opinions. IMHO, these ladies showed us their true colors. Some good and some bad. Hopefully the bad one's will get hit. Where it hurts the most. In their pocketbook.
Future clients will think twice about seeing them in the future.
Ladies can think twice about seeing me it works both ways.
But I'm not in the customer provider service. I don't count on
guys paying me to suck on their dicks. The same guys,you insulted
and then threaten them by saying don't fuck with us, we are in control, we have your dicks in our mouth. That's priceless.
Kimmie, you and Mike Tyson are alot alike. Both from N.Y. State,
both bullies, and if you don't get your way, you can't win.
You showed your true colors today. The J.C. card can't help you get out of this one.

[Kimmie]

I AM THE FUCKING BULLY??????

Un fucking real. I give up.

I am so done with this thread..


I am so fucking done..

P.S If saying I dont tolerate abusive men hurts my wallet, then thats fine with me. I dont want clients who think it is ok to hurt a woman.

[jmcurry]

Kimmie, never think anyone is in control. Power only serves to corrupt. You are at your weakest when you feel the strongest. Accordingly, expressing your vulnerability by resorting to power trips only negates what have always been your best intentions. This thread turns on a dialectical imperative. Condemn the idiots, but refrain from the generalizations that hurt the entire hobby. You are way too cool for that.

[BigMadM]

I have to ask a question here.
Is this charisma orginally from Long Island eros fame?
Very slim with big fake boobs and bleached blond hair?

If it is, Im quite suprised but never doubt anything.

I had a great session with a girl named charisma from LI and she insisted on all positions and her oral talents were pretty good.
Not the best, but she enjoyed her work to say the least.
Has to be a different girl.

Nothing ever suprises me anymore when it comes to this hobby.

[daro]

Originally posted by Kimmie
[



We( providers) are the ones in control. We have your fing dicks in our mouths..

Don't fuck with us.. [/B]

I would classify these comments as those of a bully.
You threaten the guys, by suggesting dismemberment.
You tell them don't fuck with us or else.
You left out the part about biting his ear off too. IMHO.

These comments are the one's that will hurt your wallet.
Your comments were a true and honest appraisal of your
personna. New clients may stay clear of you. IMHO.

I made one comment, about one isolated hypothetical situation,
about one disgruntled client striking a girl in the mouth, and
responding in the same flip manner as evegirl, and saying sorry
but you pay you play. I am not advocating men to be abusive to
women. Husbands to wives. Boyfriends to girlfriends. Dikes to
submissive girlfriends. I realized I hit a nerve, that is too close to home. Sorry if my post brought up bad personal memories.

[wurkbytes]

I actually learned a few things from this thread about some of the providers out there. The minute I hear one negative thing about/from a provider, they are crossed off my list. There are too many of them out there to even bother taking a chance when something negative is brought up. Just move on and continue down your lists men.

[VoluptuousVixen]

one negative thing from a provider...


kinda like children should be seen not heard; right?

Or, is it the Great and mighty powerful Oz has spoken??
(No pun intended Ozzy)

[billyS]

You know I just had to get in on this one.

Originally posted by Kimmie
We( providers) are the ones in control. We have your fing dicks in our mouths..

Don't fuck with us..
Sooo wrong Kimmie my dear. You are not in control. We will call you if we want your services. Otherwise just sit by that phone.
And is that a threat? the part about we have your dick in our mouths? Gee that should get your phone ringing.
Originally posted by Kimmie

Am I saying we should all bite your dicks off?

Another thing, you have this thing lately about mutalating male gential. Remember another post where you threatened to go down on me with glass in your mouth? I think you should get help with these issuses. Especially considering your profession.

Anjelika - I like and tend to agree with your perspective on the matter. This is a mutual one hand washes the other type business. No one is in control per say and a certain amount of trust is implied. You seem like you have it together.

Daro - your a funny guy and I love your posts. Too bad some people don't understand tongue in cheek and over the top humuor. Fuck 'em, keep posting.

Evegirl - you say your only 22, put you got that us vs them bunker mentality already. Too bad. Lighten up or you won't make it to 30 with your sanity. Your a cutie and you've got great reveiws but that man hating. "I'll cut your dick off mentality" that older Pros like Kimmie expouse will get you on the shit list real quick.

[kromrider]

I know I have posted this before but if i show up and agree to a 250 fee and then after the hour is up and I deside that the service is worth 175, The provider will go nuts. If I go to a provider pay the 250 for full service and the provider desides that i only rate a hand job with some fake bj action thats okay. I am sorry but thats bull shit.

[Cheerful]

Originally posted by kromrider I am sorry but thats bull shit.

It's only bull shit if you are paying for sex.

So go to some jurisdiction where you can pay for sex, like Canada or Nevada.

In New York, you're paying for time and companionship. Whatever else happens between consenting adults is no-one's business.

If you don't like it that way, lobby Albany.

[jaypgee]

Originally posted by Cheerful


It's only bull shit if you are paying for sex.

So go to some jurisdiction where you can pay for sex, like Canada or Nevada.

In New York, you're paying for time and companionship. Whatever else happens between consenting adults is no-one's business.

If you don't like it that way, lobby Albany.

We all know, providers and hobbyists, that that's only a disclaimer so that no one would get outright arrested.

If that weren't the case, why do people look at you funny when you say, "I need to get an escort tonight. I need a date." it could be a social date or what not, but the only thing that runs through everyone's mind is, she's (or he's) a prostitute. And a what does a prostitute do?

This country's so ass-backwards sometimes. I think that original lost boy Strom Thurmond had a lot to do with it.

[Kimmie]

You all are sadly mistaken if you think that I will hold my tongue just for the sake of gaining clients.

I am not here on UG to post threads that make you happy. I don't care if anyone here loves me or hates me. None of you know me. None of you have met me. And if you did, I am very sure you wouldnt say to me to my face what you have said to me on this board tonite.

I will never let any man harm me. I have no problem telling you that. You all have obviously never read any of my posts before..

The fact that I upset a few members, whos opinions I really don't care about anyway, shows that prostitutes should only be on this and any message board for the sole purpose of selling themselves, not to participate as non providers.

You dont want to hear my views or opinions, you just want to hear how much I love to suck cock, and how I am on this earth to please you. Fine, I get that now..

Obviously the men on this board will not like my responses. Thats ok, because I am not trying to get you to ***** me by being cutesy in my replies. I do not want your business!

If I said anything that was out of line I would expect slinky to ***** me and tell me. When he does that, I will apologize, but I will NEVER take back what I said.

I have a right to defend myself if a client tries to hurt me.

Billy, I dont know what you think you had to get in on. I know we have had problems in the past, and I know damn well you knew my response about the glass was not serious, but if you think I care about being on anyones shit list, you are sadly mistaken.

I am still here. I am still me and nothing anyone here does or says will change that ( except Slinky of course since it is his board)

I am so glad this topic took place today and that the discussion went the way it did.

I learned a lot today about how a man who threatens to hurt women is called a hero, and a woman who threatens to defend herself is called a waste of space.

[greekgirlinnj]

Originally posted by VoluptuousVixen
"has to step up to the plate and knock one of these cunts out of the ballpark"...crude rhetoric (even though mgigolo was jipped).

'maybe sometimes one of those 'cunts' wouldnt have a problem if there was more of a bat to play with'.


whoaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

ill tell u what since im on of those cunts...not all deserve to be called that im actually fucking offended because imho u are speaken about all providers

im not sticking up for her i have no clue who she is but u just called all providers cunts and that just doesnt sit well with me and i agree mgiglo did get ripped off and it sucks

[greekgirlinnj]

Originally posted by Anjelika
Let's look at this from a clear perspective. It's not about whose in control or males vs. females, or us against them attitude, this is a one hand washes the other type of relationship however moreso it's about the customer and what he wants. If I was a man & expected a certain level of service but did not get what was promised I would be fucking pissed off to say the least if it's happened to me once but I'm sure when this happens to the same gentleman on more than one occassion he has every right to feel angry as long as he doesn't act on that feeling & do something feelish. That's where the board comes into play, it's a good place to vent, gain knowledge & exchange ideas.

Girls, let's say you went to the salon, your were promised a facial, massage, new hairstyle, highlights & blow drying. Your hairdresser gets done & you just get a cold shampoo minus everything else but still have to pay upfront, don't tell me you wouldn't be irate at the least and she works for herself so you can't complain to mananagement either. I'm sure you wouldn't leave out of there with a smile on your face & the only tip she would get is a shoe up her ass. j/k about the shoe part

i agree with u eve but i wouldnt threaten to kick a hairstylest or manicurist teeth in or whatever the fuck he said

[Cheerful]

Originally posted by jaypgee We all know, providers and hobbyists, that that's only a disclaimer so that no one would get outright arrested.


It is not a disclaimer, it's spelling-it-out for the imbeciles.

If a trick believes that giving a prostitute money means the trick has the right to have sex with with the prostitute without his or her consent, the trick is mistaken.

If a trick believes it gives the trick the right to hit a prostitute "out of the ballpark" because the trick did not get the specific acts of intimacy the trick wanted, s/he is potentially dangerous.

[edited to add impersonal voice]

[Jeff]

Kimme if you had said that people should not rip each other off or hurt each other for both men and women than more people would agree with you. But if you have the attitude that it is the men vs. the women do not be surprised if that’s what you get.

[JohnBoy]

I would very much like to hear from Charisma in regards to this this episode. I've heard mostly positive things about her.

The thread that started this discussion seemed very off color. I wouldn't be suprised if there was more to it. maybe something a bit personal.

[Kimmie]

Jeff, yes I know I am the "big mean Kimmie." daro is the good guy who just thinks it is ok to beat up providers who offer a poor service.

I dont want anyone here saying they expect more from me, or are disappointed with me or my replies in a thread.. Don't put me in that position.

I dont want to have to watch what I say so others are not let down by me..

I am not a saint.

I told ya I was a bitch. No one believed me..

[Casper]

3 rights make a left

[Jeff]

Its not right to punch a girl in the eye and its not right to bite a guys dick off you still don’t get what I was trying to say do you. You’re being just as big an asshole as he was. Your both saying the same thing him from the men’s point of view you from the women’s. Your both wrong!

[Kimmie]

And you dont get what I am saying, and have been saying all along.

I would NEVER hurt a client or bite his dick off for no reason. The only thing that would make me do that is if he is violent to me.

If you are not violent with providers you have nothing to be worried about.

I said what I said because if any one hurts me, I WILL hurt them back. You have nothing to worry about as long as you never raise a hand to me.

Why should I sit back and let someone hurt me? Thats crazy.


As for the men versus women, thats a fact that has exisited long before you or I were born. And the idea of "us verus them" was stated in this thread long before I posted.


I dont know Charisma. I dont know what she does or offers, but nothing that she did, according to mg's review, warrants being hurt.. Nothing!

[justbill_redux]

My .02..... If things didn't happen that should have occurred because the expectation was there, well live and learn. Physical violence or its implied threat is not the answer. Just today I was at an AMP and had, what I would call an unsatisfactory experience, why? Because in the past, at this establishment the level of hands on personal service had always happened, today nada. Will I see this particular young lady again, no but I did tell others what they might expect, based on my experience. That's what UG is all about. We, as johns/clients need to treat providers/hookers as the human beings they are, they are not sub-human nor do they deserve your disrespect. Remember the Golden Rule. End of story

[daro]

Originally posted by billyS
You know I just had to get in on this one.



Anjelika - I like and tend to agree with your perspective on the matter. This is a mutual one hand washes the other type business. No one is in control per say and a certain amount of trust is implied. You seem like you have it together.

Daro - your a funny guy and I love your posts. Too bad some people don't understand tongue in cheek and over the top humuor. Fuck 'em, keep posting.

Evegirl - you say your only 22, put you got that us vs them bunker mentality already. Too bad. Lighten up or you won't make it to 30 with your sanity. Your a cutie and you've got great reveiws but that man hating. "I'll cut your dick off mentality" that older Pros like Kimmie expouse will get you on the shit list real quick.


billyS, I agree with you 100% on all 3 points. You know me well.
We are alike in our humorous ways. If people understood
tongue in cheek and over the top humor a little, they wouldn't
say some of the stuff they do. IMHO. Thanks for the compliment.
My actions may have been a little crude, but I didn't hurt anyone.
I didn't threaten to hurt anyone. I made some comments and we
learned helpful information about providers and clients.
People have to get over that us vs. them mentality. It's used
in regards to race, creed, color, sex, job, etc.

[daro]

Daro is not the good guy. I don't view myself that way and neither should you. I made some pro Mr. G comments and con
Charisma comments. Honestly, Mr. G was wrong for seeing her, based on her reviews. He received her normal performance.
Did it warrant a $$$ fee? Did he get wronged? What is his
recourse? Is he entitled to a refund or a discount. Who knows.

I put this question out there and all I heard from the fellow
providers was:

He paid $$$ for companionship. Whatever happens between two
consenting adults is up to him or more like HER.

If he was disappointed in the service. Too bad. YMMV. You
pay you play.

If he was promised FS over the phone and when he pays her up front, all of a sudden she decides. It's that time of the month
and we can't do that. We can't do that. No not that.
I will just jerk you off for $$$ and keep some of my clothes on.
And they ladies chalk it up to Charisma maybe having a bad day.
The providers seem to have company answers for all the things that go wrong during a session. And it's never their fault.
Anjelika at least was bright enough to blame both parties evenly.

Evegirl's basic fuck you, you pay you play comment made me
suggest a hypothetical reaction from a disgruntled client.
Some contact to her mouth area and when she said I have no
more teeth, he would use her same flip response, you pay you play, and see how she likes hearing it. It doesn't help ease
your pain or misfortune. The shoe is on the other foot.

The knock this cunt out of the ballpark comment was crude.
It was said tongue in cheek, but it was said for a purpose.
Every once in a while we have to admit that one of our own kind
did something wrong and is a piece of trash.
Even women who can't stand men who are violent toward women. I would love to know how many of you so called women
were glad O.J. got off, because he was one of your own.
Your principles went right out the window, color took over.
Just like here, a lot of your good business principles, professional
services rendered for pre-arranged fees, went right out the window, because you had to stick up for one of your providers.
I'm white, but I was glad they killed that Oklahoma bomber guy.
He got what he deseved. I don't care if his daddy butt fucked
him as a kid. He played and he paid. Sometimes this remark
is applicable. IMHO.

[SpaMonger]

Daro, I too stand behind you 100%. I have read many of your posts and know where you're coming from. Too bad they can't
take a few harsh words. As you explained, it was used for effect and boy was it ever effective.

Some of the providers here post pure crap. No need for you to go to that level, there's enough dog shit on the streets already.

Stay cool my friend and when in doubt whip it out.

Spa

[evegirl]

Originally posted by billyS


Evegirl - you say your only 22, put you got that us vs them bunker mentality already. Too bad. Lighten up or you won't make it to 30 with your sanity. Your a cutie and you've got great reveiws but that man hating. "I'll cut your dick off mentality" that older Pros like Kimmie expouse will get you on the shit list real quick.

If I was man-hating I wouldn't be in this business, that would be intolerable. I actually am a really easy-going person (ask anyone who's seen me, I'm sure they'll agree). I get my back up against the wall when guys are vulgar to working-girls, make illusions to violence, illusion to theft, etc. I think that's not something that makes me "hard" or "aged" just understandably concerned.

If for that I get on the "shit-list" so be it. I can't change the fact that those sorts of attitudes scare me. I also can't change the fact that as an academic, I find it difficult not to challenge opinions and question assumptions. When I stop doing THAT, be concerned about my hardness. As long as I'm still battling with you folks it's because I consider the men at UG worthy of struggling with, laughing with, or being human too. The day I stop posting will be a sign of true bitterness and despair.

[Geezy Muldoon]

billy/daro:

Eve is a very reasonable person. The harshness of your words is un-necessary. I would suggest focusing on the ideas being discussed instead.


Best, etc.


JC

[pswope]

The predicate of an awful session,bordering on a hustle/ripoff, never justifies the response of violence nor self-help to the john's misbegotten funds. There are proportionate responses in these circumstances discussed ad nauseum in the Pebbles/BigMM thread.

[Slinky Bender]

Ironic that the Pebbles thread doesn't lead us to Bam Bam.

[daro]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Judge Crater
[B]billy/daro:

Eve is a very reasonable person. The harshness of your words is un-necessary. I would suggest focusing on the ideas being
discussed instead.

_____________________
Thanks for chimming in. Now go eat something. LOL.
Yes Eve is a reasonable and intelligent woman.
I understand in her line of work, you walk around on egg shells,
and you worry about the possibility of some guy going off on you
and possibly harming you physically. I am the most easy going
person around. I would never harm or hit a women.

The harshness of my words was imperative to the thread.
It brought life to a dead thread. It served a purpose. Nobody
could of given two shits about sorry ass Mr. G. I became the
focal point now. The providers vented in true and honest fashion.
We learned something about a situation that exists and happens
at least once a day in this hobby. We heard pros and cons.
We exchanged information, both positive and negative.
This particular thread was very informative and enlightening to
the clients. I for one, have a better understanding of how the providers feel toward their clients, in regards to the scenario
that took place between Mr. G and Charisma. Yes more info
from Mr. G. would have been helpful. IMHO.

[mgigolo]

I stand behind my review, Nothing more to tell it's there in black and white, Must have been a "snow day" for somebody. YMMV

It's comical to see the hardcore john's coming to rescue their little damsel in distress no matter what. It's about time somebody said what we really think but don't daro because everybody will get bent outta shape.

[daro]

Originally posted by mgigolo
I stand behind my review, Nothing more to tell it's there in black and white, Must have been a "snow day" for somebody. YMMV

It's comical to see the hardcore john's coming to rescue their little damsel in distress no matter what. It's about time somebody said what we really think but don't daro because everybody will get bent outta shape.

Mr. G., you told me enough in your post. It struck me odd why
she was getting a lot of support from some guys. But you hit
the nail on the head. Since she's sucking some of these guys
regularly, they can't afford to put a bad taste in her mouth.
I try to speak my mind and add some humor to soften the
blow, and some still get bent out of shape. If I ever gave it to them straight, I think some of them would O.D. LOL.
Mr G., do your homework. Stay away from those types.
There are two reasons why women cover their faces in their pics.
For their own personal safety and because makeup can only help
so much. You know what category she falls into. IMHO.

[billyS]

Originally posted by Judge Crater
billy/daro:

The harshness of your words is un-necessary

I don't think I was all that harsh on Evegirl and I don't think she needs you defending her. I made my point in a "locker room" type fashion because thats the way I like to talk on this board. I don't get to do that at work or around my family so you guys get that side of me. (I know what some of you are thinking, lucky us)

Evegirl you made your point well. The mention of violence made you get your back up. You and some other ladies on this board are rightfully sensative about that. When I read Daro's "bash the cunt with a bat" comment I saw humour (knowing Daro had no intention of weilding a bat), while you see a threat, one that exists in your profession. I jumped on you and Kimmie for your, what I percieved as, an overreaction. Having read your post I can see where you are comming from.

Daro - kudos to you for starting this whole disscusion. The upside is that (hopefully) we all get to see and understand each other points.

mgiglio -your a wus. $300 for a hand job? Come on. Your the one we should be getting on. At least you shut your caps off.

[evegirl]

Originally posted by billyS

When I read Daro's "bash the cunt with a bat" comment I saw humour (knowing Daro had no intention of weilding a bat), while you see a threat, one that exists in your profession. I jumped on you and Kimmie for your, what I percieved as, an overreaction. Having read your post I can see where you are comming from.


Finally... Thanks for the reasonable second-look.

But to billy/daro/mgigilio: I'm not a damsel in distress and you're right, I didn't need rescuing... but why jump on the Judge for defending a girl on this board? Up until this point, it was only the girls sticking up for each other, it is always welcome (from my perspective) to leave a little of this us vs. them rhetoric behind - after all, isn't that what some of you had been accusing me of NOT doing?

[wurkbytes]

I'd rather get punched in the face than lose $300 on a worthless session. I work too hard for my money. And most can't throw a good punch anyway.

[evegirl]

Originally posted by wurkbytes
I'd rather get punched in the face than lose $300 on a worthless session. I work too hard for my money. And most can't throw a good punch anyway.

Easy for you to say, you're a MAN.

Note that we're talking about much smaller WOMEN getting punched in the face by much bigger MEN.

That was just a worthless comment.

[evegirl]

Originally posted by evegirl

But to billy/daro/mgigilio: I'm not a damsel in distress and you're right, I didn't need rescuing... but why jump on the Judge for defending a girl on this board? Up until this point, it was only the girls sticking up for each other, it is always welcome (from my perspective) to leave a little of this us vs. them rhetoric behind - after all, isn't that what some of you had been accusing me of NOT doing?

Speaking of second-looks, I just realized that migigilio what talking about guys running to the defense of that girl he reviewed, not Judge running to my defense (if you were talking about me, my above post still stands!). I think I need to disengage my back from being against the wall for awhile...

[daro]

EVEGIRL, YOU'RE O.K. IN MY BOOK!

You can dish it out and take it with the best of them.
Also in a very intelligent fashion. IMHO.
You did a nice job of bobbing and weaving.
You probably also do a nice job of kneel and bobbing. LOL.
I understand the sensitivity of the suggestion I made, to
people in your profession. BillyS was able to pick up right away,
that it was said in humor. But to the untrained ear, it would
sound threating and violent. Sorry to get you all worked up.
Still it was enjoyable to post replies back and forth with you.

As far as jumping on the Judge. He always sides with the girl.
It's an old prison cell habit he picked up. Underneath that robe
he wears, he also fashions some bitching lingerie. LMAO.
Sorry JC, but we haven't spoken in a while. Just wanted to
remind you, who loves you baby!

[Daddycool]

It seems that a good way to look at all this ( IMHO) is like actors and movie critics.

Providers being the actors and us Johns being the movie critics.

You all know this, but when a critic see's a play or movie they offer their view on it. They say what the movie was about, how the actors acted and if they enjoyed the movie. Some actors read all the reviews, and take them for what there are worth, and some stay away from reading anything at all.

A provider is always going to be discussed, whether its positive or negative. If a provider can't take the negative rewiew don't read it and then try to defend youself. There is nothing to defend. Its just one guys opinion. Its not worth getting upset over. If it is a great review, thank whoever wrote it and let that review put a smile on your face that day.

[evegirl]

Daddycool - That's all very well and good, but that's not what we're talking about. This is not about whining girls not able to take the heat on good or bad reviews - this wasn't even a review about any of the girls that posted in this thread.

This was about how Johns/Prostitutes differently understood a "joke" about violence, lewd comments, and references to stealing from prostitutes.

The Prostitutes saw this from a necessarily defensive prespective and responded accordingly.

The Johns didn't understand why we were freaking out.

Everyone got really upset and then figured it all out.

Anyway, this thread's dead.

Eve

ps - Daro, thanks for your last comments.

[Flounder]

Wow, this thread deserves to be here!

I think Mg got ripped off and we needed to hear about it. She'll definitely be hurt for doing this.

[Geezy Muldoon]

Daro:

I most definitely do not always side with women. It was the violence of the language and imagery which was objected to by them. That objection was valid.

As for the underlying service complaint, miglio apparently has a valid beef. Unfortuneately, there is no redress available for him other than to warn other men awawy. That could have been accomplished without the call to violence.

We have all been ripped off. I ever tell you about the German hooker who called me husband, took pictures of my dick and sent me packing after one shot? I got even by including a description of her in my Meditation on Bettina's Asshole. I turned her into a 50 foot hooker who gets blasted to bits by an F-15 on the Brooklyn Bridge. Revenge by humor.

[jp1064]

Originally posted by Flounder
Wow, this thread deserves to be here!

...... She'll definitely be hurt for doing this.

The only ones this thread really hurt Bill are the women on this board. I feel bad that it got out of control and went as far as it did. Hope this doesn't leave permanent damage with some of the online relationships here.

[billyS]

Originally posted by jp1064


The only ones this thread really hurt Bill are the women on this board. I feel bad that it got out of control and went as far as it did. Hope this doesn't leave permanent damage with some of the online relationships here.

Asshole....are you for real?

[jp1064]

Originally posted by billyS


Asshole....are you for real?

Yeah, I am!

[SpaMonger]

Hey Judge, revenge by humor?. Get real. I think if you were out the $300 dollars you would not be in a humorous mood.

[JohnnyK]

Humor has an evermoving invisible line. However mobile and transparent it may be, making a "violence against escorts" joke on a mixed whoreboard should have made that line look as clear and still as Mt. Rushmore.

(advice coming from someone who didnt realize it was obvious that you cant make a fat joke about Kimmie unless you're Slinky)

[daro]

Judge, I was kidding with you about the siding with women
comment. It was based on your role play prison experiences,
that had me associate you with the women. LOL
Yes, because of the way I portrayed the hypothetical image,
it was very sensitive to them. We saw it one way, and as evegirl pointed out correctly, they saw it from a defensive perspective
and reacted accordingly. They actually have to live that fear.
We can only imagine it and laugh it off.
As far as your nazi hooker story and the F 15 and the bridge,
you lost me, judge.
I don't know if any women were hurt. Some took offense, big
time, because I think the suggestion hit too close to home.
The scenario I painted, probably actually happened to them in real life, and it brought back very painful memories.
I got to know evegirl better, and I enjoyed reading her replies.
She's laid back, like me, but it's us easy going, quiet ones, you have to watch out for, when we go off. IMHO.
Anjelika made some nice peace offering, honest comments.
As far as permanent damage, if you're thin skinned, this is not the
place to be. Just buckle up and hold on tight. It's a wild and
enjoyable ride. You just have to withstand some bumps and turbulance along the journey.

[Geezy Muldoon]

SpaMonger:

It's only money. I have spent alot of money doing this. I don't get too upset by anything anymore. I know what to avoid and don't feel too bad if I don't come like a stallion twice in each session. If a woman provides a bad experience, it is enough to say so in a scathingly funny review and leave it at that.

[Kimmie]

Originally posted by daro

I don't know if any women were hurt. Some took offense, big
time, because I think the suggestion hit too close to home.
The scenario I painted, probably actually happened to them in real life, and it brought back very painful memories.

As far as permanent damage, if you're thin skinned, this is not the
place to be. Just buckle up and hold on tight. It's a wild and
enjoyable ride. You just have to withstand some bumps and turbulance along the journey.

Daro, I know your comment about "hitting them close to home" is directed at me. Sweetie, you have no idea who I am or what I am, just as I do not know the real Daro. I would really appreciate it if you would not assume anything about me. I am so much more then words on a message board.

No man has ever laid a hand on me, client or otherwise. I am very lucky to have met some wonderful men who are respectful towards me.

I risk my safety when ever I meet a new client. I have a family that I like to go home to after an appointment. With every single new appointment I go on I walk up to the door and say, "Ok, this could be it. This could be the one who arrests me, or hurts me."
I have to have that mentality so that I am prepared for what awaits me behind that door.

Your comment about hitting a provider hit me close to home only because you suggested violence towards my profession. The same response , if not worse, would have been given if you had said, "Shoot ALL Cops." in the middle of a police station.

My response to Jseah started this whole thing. Jseah is a VERY good friend of mine and my comments to him he understood and did not take offense to.

This board is about exchanging ideas and sharing information. I came to this board, not to sell my services, but to learn about what goes on in the mind of a client. His likes, his dislikes, why they use our services, what makes them need our services, what they want from a provider, etc etc... That is why I asked so many questions.

I have always enjoyed being here and learning, flirting and yes even enjoyed being called fat and ugly. :rolleyes:

There is nothing more to learn now... I learned more then I needed to or wanted to know.

I think everyone( myself mostly) would have been better off if I had spent my time here as Vanessa..

[daro]

Kimmie, if my assumption was way, way, off base I apologize.
If my memory is correct, I thought I read a thread about you, a child, a man, who I believe was her father, and some awful
things he said or did to you in her presence. Just because he didn't make physical contact with you, the mental violence
you had to withstand, could have been just as hurtful. IMHO.
You reaction and subsequent posts were very forceful and violent.
It was a sensitive subject and imho it effected you deeply.
But since I'm no Frasier Crane, my opinion may be moot.
You explained, as others, why it had that type of an effect on
you and I can see it more clearly now. Like you said, certain
phrases, even said tongue in cheek, can be presumed as cruel,
violent, offensive, predjudice, etc., when said in the presence
of certain company. Like you said I don't know the real K or V
and you don't know the real Daro. We are much more than words on a message board. But in our case, that's all we really are to
each other. Hopefully our words in the future, will be as pleasant as these two posts were. IMHO. God Luck with whoever you
choose to be, K or V. I don't have to tell you to be yourself. LOL.
Good health and peace, to you and your family. Be careful out
there.

[Kimmie]

You might be referring to my post where Judge Crater ask if we should tell men we are involved with about our profession. I mentioned I told my ex. He was NEVER violent with me, he was upset, hurt, but not violent. Maybe you read too much into my reply.

He is the best person and father I have ever known..

Anyway, I am glad we have agreed to disagree and are willing to move on.

I dont have sybil syndrome.. LOL
If you met me you would get "in your face, dont mess with me Kimmie" with a soft touch of Vanessa ;)

[TheGhost]

If you can't afford to lose $$$ and laugh it off -- you've got the wrong hobby. This isn't bowling, model airplane building, or collecting Disney memorabilia. And you obviously don't live in Amsterdam.

What we discuss here isn't legit, and you've got little recourse. I find all the posts trying to treat this as some sort of above-board business transaction pathetic. This isn't a legit business transaction -- and while its nice not to get cheated in any transaction, don't expect a Macy's-quality return policy.
Just because you spend money on something doesn't mean you are entitled. Just because you dropped $$ on blow, doesn't mean that you are entitled to anything more than baby powder.

What happened in this case is the inherant risk of this hobby. You factor it into the equation. If you can't afford to, stay the fuck at home and stroke it to skin mags. Getting a bad deal doesn't entitle you to anything but something to file into the experience cabinet, and a rant on this board.

I do this because its fun. Its exciting (sometimes). Because I like women. And because its a nice distraction. And if something doesn't work out -- I have only, and I mean ONLY myself to blame. Because its my money, my choice, and my chance that I'm taking.

So you lost $$$. Big fucking deal. If you can't afford to, invest it in a remote control car -- its got a better return policy.

--Ghost

[daro]

Kimmie, I may have read too much. My bad.
Glad all three of you have that relationship.
Also glad to agree to disagree and move on.
Most big bad ass women named Kimmie, usually do have
a soft sweet side named Vanessa.

Ghost, I can't see you. But I can hear what you are saying.
I understand your point about it being illegal, therefore you have no recourse per say. But my bookmaker pays me when I win and I pay him when I lose. A great professional business arangement.
Nobody yells foul ball. The part that upset me with Charisma, was
she knew this guy was going to get dick, before the session even began. The minute he laid the $$$ on the dresser he was fucked.
He would have been better to flush it down the toilet. IMHO.
I don't think anyone here who gets fucked out of $$$, can sit
back and laugh it off. If you got stuck with $$ worth of powder
would you laugh it off. There are good business practices and there are bad business practices. Even if the activity is illegal.
Since it's illegal, I would think you want to be discreet and don't do anything to bring attention to yourself. If you're a big mo fo
and believe these stupid people won't do anything to me for selling them baby powder. Think again. Someday one person
may be the exception to the rule. IMHO. It obviously won't be
you. You keep being the ghost. Hide in the background and
come out at the end and pass judgement on everyone here
like you're the fucking man. Piss off ghost. Go haunt some other
board. IMHO.

[TheGhost]

Not passing judgement, and not trying to rain on anyone's parade. Although in re-reading my comments, I may have come of that way.

My point was only that this isn't Wal-Mart, and expecting the same customer service you get when you buy a vacuum cleaner isn't realistic.

I don't like losing $$$ but I know it can happen when you aren't operating in a legit business. Bad pros go out of business eventually, or fall so far down the ladder that they are sucking off johns at truck stops. Drug dealers who sell you baby powder eventually go out of business or get a bullet in the head.

You know the risk. They know the risk. The question is only who is willing to take the risk, and what is your threshold.


-Ghost
p.s. Your bookie can disappear at any moment. Or get arrested. And your money is gone. Once again, risk -- you have obviously calculated that it is worth taking.

[daro]

Thanks for re-reading your comments.
IMHO. You came off that way. But I'm glad you redid your post.
It makes much more sense now. IMHO.
He never seems to disappear when I have a bad week. LOL.
A good bookie, like a good provider, remains in existance,
because of their good professional practices.
Ghost, you're O.K. You don't scare me. LOL.
P.S. Slinky no ghostbuster jokes.

[littleguy]

"There is nothing more to learn now... I learned more then I needed to or wanted to know."

You're kidding, right ? So now you know it all ???

Good for you except you still don't know how to read. Why did you avoid responding to my question on the "new leaf" thread ?

Doesn't your UG page have the "view all new posts" link (or whatever it says) ? Perhaps you didn't see that thread again ? Or did you just ignore it ?

[Kimmie]

Originally posted by littleguy
"There is nothing more to learn now... I learned more then I needed to or wanted to know."

You're kidding, right ? So now you know it all ???

Good for you except you still don't know how to read. Why did you avoid responding to my question on the "new leaf" thread ?

Doesn't your UG page have the "view all new posts" link (or whatever it says) ? Perhaps you didn't see that thread again ? Or did you just ignore it ?

Hey LG, I hear you are a real cutie.. yumm yumm :)

I haven't visited UG in a few days. I didnt get to see your post to me about the jag thingy.

I will go back and take a look.. I dont read all post that pop up as new.

If I had seen your name on the end of a thread I would have rushed right in to take a look at what you had to say!!

So tell me, are you really as hot as they say you are?

Ok going to the thread in questions now.... Meet you there... :)

[justme]

Now that everyone's friends again, I'm not sure I agree with the sentiment that a john should just roll over and pay regardless of the level of service given. If I go in for a teeth cleaning and the dentist sprays me with a water pick for a couple of seconds, tosses me a tic-tac, and escorts me to the clerk and a waiting $100.00 charge I'm fairly certain that I'd refuse to pay. Why would it be any different with commercial sex? The premise here is that someone has been cheated. Charisma acted a little more than a crook, and anyone in business will tell you that if you play by the rules with a crook, you'll lose every single time.

I'm also a little puzzled as to why a providor would want to defend the kind of behavior exhibited. If a prospect comes to me with horror stories about our competitors, I simply comiserate with them, point out the differences in our service, and hand them our referral list to see that bad service is not inherent to our industry. But ultimately, it pisses me off when competitors act in an unethical manner because it soils my industry in the marketplace and makes it that much harder for me to close deals.

I do understand why a providor would recoil at daro's words. Daro, I get what you're looking to do, but how many times has your delivery stepped all over your message, man? If you are constantly having to defend valid points because of the way you make them, then I think it's a good idea to rethink your technique.

[jp1064]

JM, why don't we let this thread just die out. Now that's everyone's relatively calm, why stir it up again. I understand everyone's concern about bad service, but this thread took too many tangents in the wrong direction.

[justme]

I dunno, JP, maybe because I figure that I can engage in dialog with most of the people who posted to this thread in a civil, polite way?

There's real issues that exist in this thread that unfortunately got stepped on by a stupid, avoidable flame war. Refusing to discuss the real issues to me defeats the entire purpose of Utopia Guide.

Despite rumours to the contrary, SB and Allen didn't set this place up as a place to trade fluffballs with prostitutes.

[jp1064]

I get your drift. You are correct.

[JackT]

Originally posted by justme
I dunno, JP, maybe because I figure that I can engage in dialog with most of the people who posted to this thread in a civil, polite way?

There's real issues that exist in this thread that unfortunately got stepped on by a stupid, avoidable flame war. Refusing to discuss the real issues to me defeats the entire purpose of Utopia Guide.

Despite rumours to the contrary, SB and Allen didn't set this place up as a place to trade fluffballs with prostitutes.


All good points, but there is something to be said about picking the appropriate time and place. After all, this thread has been relegated to the "Coliseum" section UG, where flamewars and fluffballs are the soup du jour. Perhaps starting a NEW thread in the appropriate location that re-raises these important issues in a civil, polite way is something worth considering??

[daro]

Justme, thanks for the compliment and the advice.
Will work on the technique, to get the point across in better
fashion. I agree with you that there was a real issue that needed to be discussed. I know we have our boys club mentality, but
that doesn't stop us from ripping a guy, if we think he was wrong.
The ladies that post here, have their own blue wall, and they
protect their own. It's their choice. It may be right or wrong, but
it's their choice. I, like you, don't agree with it. All you're doing is
endorsing that type of behavior by a fellow provider, and saying
you play you pay. I know, I could never see any of the women,
who would condone what she did. IMHO.
You're right about people conducting business in an unethical
manner. It filters down and has a negative effect on all people
in that business.

[justme]

Originally posted by JackT
All good points, but there is something to be said about picking the appropriate time and place.

I'm sorry, my Emily Post doesn't have the appendix on appropriate conditions for discussing such prostitution related issues.

(I'm too fucking lazy to start another thread)

[greekgirlinnj]

Originally posted by justme
I dunno, JP, maybe because I figure that I can engage in dialog with most of the people who posted to this thread in a civil, polite way?

There's real issues that exist in this thread that unfortunately got stepped on by a stupid, avoidable flame war. Refusing to discuss the real issues to me defeats the entire purpose of Utopia Guide.

Despite rumours to the contrary, SB and Allen didn't set this place up as a place to trade fluffballs with prostitutes.

ok maybe its early in the am but what the hell is a fluffball and do u mix it with peanut butter

[billyS]

A fluffball is when a guy says only nice things about a provider 'cause he is freinds or wants to be freinds with her. He figures he might see her again and hopes if he gives her a positive reveiw and leaves out the stuff he didn't like he will get a better session next time. Watch the reveiws when you cum to LI next week. Most will be non-descript, she is a nice person type. Not that your not, but since you post alot, guys will be less likely to give a negative reveiw. The one guy I know not guilty of this is Komrider and he got killed for it once. Don't take this wrong GG, I'm not judging you, but just trying to give you an example of a fluffball.

[jp1064]

I'm one of your major fluffball throwers on this board. But to be honest with you Billy, I truly liked and respect the providers I have met here at UG and the others who are not on this board, and I'm not afraid to say it to everyone publicly. I think the forming of a good relationship helps improve any sessions the two of us may have in the future. That is not to say I won't post negatively about a subject if I feel like it, but I'm not going to slam a provider online to other people if I didn't like something about her, if she's on UG or not, I'm not that vindictive. Not out to possibly ruin someone's way of making a living or influence other guy's opinion of someone. I just don't post then.

I would like to consider my experiences personal ones rather then business ones (even though they are). And yes, I too have been ripped off by a couple of providers in terms of service (in Dallas), and I knew that they had bad reviews before I met them, but I chalk it up to something that happens sometimes in this business and move the hell on.

And you may call me an asshole like before, but I get a lot of "quality" sessions.

[greekgirlinnj]

Originally posted by billyS
A fluffball is when a guy says only nice things about a provider 'cause he is freinds or wants to be freinds with her. He figures he might see her again and hopes if he gives her a positive reveiw and leaves out the stuff he didn't like he will get a better session next time. Watch the reveiws when you cum to LI next week. Most will be non-descript, she is a nice person type. Not that your not, but since you post alot, guys will be less likely to give a negative reveiw. The one guy I know not guilty of this is Komrider and he got killed for it once. Don't take this wrong GG, I'm not judging you, but just trying to give you an example of a fluffball.


see this is what i dont get..why cant people be honest..im not for everyone no provider is..actually im hoping noone says to much

[jp1064]

Originally posted by greekgirlinnj



see this is what i dont get..why cant people be honest..im not for everyone no provider is..actually im hoping noone says to much

Dee, why would you WANT to go to LI after a comment like "most will be non-descript"? What does that mean?

[greekgirlinnj]

because i did make appts and after numerous requests hell i dont care if those li boys call me whatever my regular clients and some ugers keep coming back so if i make new clients great if not its ok too im not for everyone

[imaginess]

I am sure that the majority of UG'ers, including myself, would never resort to violence in the situation that was presented. Nor would we try to scam or ask for some of the money back. Most would just chalk it up to a bad, experience. We would scream to the high heavens, so every one would be wary of using said provider. And we certainly would not make plans for a repeat visit.

But there will come the day, when a provider such as this, will run into an individual who is not quite as civil as the rest of us, and she will have hell to pay for it.

[greekgirlinnj]

i have to say thats a chance providers take especially when seeing new clients....but i think well at least for me u can tell if a client didnt have a good time..and i have to say most have been honest..i had one that didnt seem to enjoy himself because he was to nervous (first time hobbyist) and i knocked half off which he refused to let me do but i guess that circumstance was a little different
imho

[jaydevice]

don't believe this self-serving trick point has been made...

For purposes of self protection, it seems unwise to make any public inference of violence, serious or not, towards a woman in an illegal biz where violence is not uncommon. Why make yourself a suspect on the off chance that something was to happen to this woman?

Digital is forever, it's always backed up somewhere, I try to always keep that in mind when posting.

[charisma]

Originally posted by daro


I know this doesn't help. But was the money still on the dresser
when you were done. Or when she went running into the other
room to clean up, was the money accessible to you.
It would take big balls on your part to do it. But one of these days
somebody has to step up to the plate and knock one of these cunts out of the ballpark. IMHO. i have no clue about what this guy is talking about ,my cloths always come off ,i have always been straight up front with clients ,i do fs ,the only thing i dont do is watch a clock ,andi dont hurry i dont do no greek! sometimes i french kiss but that all depends on the person ,ive never jrked a guy off its totally not me and some guys will like me and some wont ,we all cant make everyone happy ,i do very well in longisland with no complaints about me

[charisma]

Originally posted by Flounder
Wow, this thread deserves to be here!

I think Mg got ripped off and we needed to hear about it. She'll definitely be hurt for doing this. YEAH TAKE IT TO PLUNGE ! ILL BE HURT FOR DOING THIS ,I DID NOTHING TO THIS GUY EXCEPT GIVING HIMA FULL HR AND TAKING CARE OF BUSINESS SO BEFORE U START RUNNING UR MOUTH GET UR STORY STARIGHT !I HAVE NEVER HEARD SUCH BULL CRAP! GET STORY STRAIGHT MRG!IF U LOOKON UTOPIAGUIDE.COM ULL SEE ALL I DO ,LEAVING MY PANTIES ON ,AND NOT DOING FULLSERVICE MUST HAVE BEEN SOME OTHER PROVIDER U SAW ,NEVER ,NEVER I ALWAYS DO FS AND BBJ WITH OUT THE HANDS I DONT NEED HANDS FOR GIVING ONE OF THE BEST BJ,S AROUND ,UR ONLY 1 CLIENT ,MEANWHILE I STILL HAVE MY REGS AND NEW PEOPLE AND ALOT DONT BELIEVE IN THIS CRAP UR SAYING ABOUT ME ,MAYBE U JUST DONT LIKE MY LOOKS OR BODY BUT FOR U INFO I DONT DO DRUGS! NOR DO I DRINK ON MY DATES UNLESS SOMEONE BRINGS CHAMPAGNE FOR ME !CHARISMA

[pswope]

This case will referred to Judge Crater, as Special Master to make a finding of facts b4 the Ct of Public Opinion issues a ruling.



(and SS requests that there be no shouting)

[kramer]

YO-YO-MA

[charisma]

Originally posted by daro
[QUOTE]Originally posted by evegirl
[B]
i diont even charge 300 thats a joke in its self ,my cloths come off all theway just like ur s do ,for 1 guy to be disappointed in my services thats hes tough luck,stop calling me names u dont even know me to be saying stuff about me ,grow the F**** up !i dont even have this guys name in my book so called ron from la ,hes one guy out of several i see i got tons of repeats ,hey if nobody wants me in nj ,no big deal id rather go somewhere else we i am excepted and if ur that smart as u think u r look on erotic review about me unless theres anther charisma going around which im sure there is ,im sure im not the only charisma on the internet so before u go blabbing on about me get ur head on straght,that guy mg probably seen tons of providers and choose to write about me for no aparent reason ,ican give to s*** s about what u all think ,its a "rumor "thats all folks,c


she showed up to the session and did her thing. That's her time, her work - end of story.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Not so fast. Somehow I don't think she advertises on her web
or told him over the phone or by *****. The fee is $$$. And for
that I will remove most of my clothes, and while you are on the bed I will jerk you off. Get real. I have no problem with rules
and use of hats, and I don't do that. But what FS or some FS
service did she provide. NONE. I know you want to stick up for
your girl, but you have to be reasonable. I pointed out MR G.
got fucked. But by using the same reason, I ask you to use, he was a dumb ass to hook up with her, based on the horrible reviews written about her. IMHO.
You can't say you play you pay. Are you crazy. You pull, what she
pulled, on the wrong guy and he punches you in the mouth,
I can say the same thing to you. I'm sorry you got no more teeth,
but you play you pay. Eve, think about it, you're an intelligent
woman.
Yeah, I went overboard on the vulgar attitude. I pissed off a few
ladies. I did it for effect. I heard back from some of you. It seems
a lot of you have an us vs you mentality. But that's your choice.
Lastly, it's ok for her to rip him off, but if he took back half the money, that's unheard of. Get real.
Since none of you ladies are on my to do list, and I know I'm not
on any of your xmas card lists, I stand behind what I said.
Yes guys need to be smarter. Do more homework. But ladies,
you can't lead a horse to water, take his $$$, and then piss on
him, and say there's your water. If you don't like it tough shit.
You pay you play. YMMV. And any other letters you want to string
together because you can't spell the words.

[charisma]

Originally posted by Flounder


I didn't see jseah say anything way out of line. Just because he sided with daro's view doesn't mean he's 100% behind it. I think that very few guys would actually take back the money.

Here's a guy MG, who basically got ripped off. He's reporting this to us and from now on, people will have some idea of what to expect from this lady and may avoid her. u guys werent there ,i NEVER ripped this guy off ! i dont care if i see u or not doesnt matter to me ,but never once had i ever had a complaint about me ,i dont steal ,i dont do drugs ,and everything on my website is true about me ,would u want ur face shown on ur website if u were in my place probably not ,dont u have family and friends ,would u tell ur friends and family u see providers ,ok i rest my case ,listen if u all want to listen to a guy who i dont even recall in my book or even his name ,wouldnt u think thats kind of strange ,all u men are going to listen to one guy ,ur all a joke and extremly niave ,lmao

[Flounder]

Originally posted by charisma
YEAH TAKE IT TO PLUNGE ! ILL BE HURT FOR DOING THIS ,I DID NOTHING TO THIS GUY EXCEPT GIVING HIMA FULL HR AND TAKING CARE OF BUSINESS SO BEFORE U START RUNNING UR MOUTH GET UR STORY STARIGHT !I HAVE NEVER HEARD SUCH BULL CRAP! GET STORY STRAIGHT MRG!IF U LOOKON UTOPIAGUIDE.COM ULL SEE ALL I DO ,LEAVING MY PANTIES ON ,AND NOT DOING FULLSERVICE MUST HAVE BEEN SOME OTHER PROVIDER U SAW ,NEVER ,NEVER I ALWAYS DO FS AND BBJ WITH OUT THE HANDS I DONT NEED HANDS FOR GIVING ONE OF THE BEST BJ,S AROUND ,UR ONLY 1 CLIENT ,MEANWHILE I STILL HAVE MY REGS AND NEW PEOPLE AND ALOT DONT BELIEVE IN THIS CRAP UR SAYING ABOUT ME ,MAYBE U JUST DONT LIKE MY LOOKS OR BODY BUT FOR U INFO I DONT DO DRUGS! NOR DO I DRINK ON MY DATES UNLESS SOMEONE BRINGS CHAMPAGNE FOR ME !CHARISMA

I was thinking that he may have seen someone else as well.

[mgigolo]

BLAH BLAH BLAH

[mitchmaxx]

what the f

[charisma]

Originally posted by mgigolo
BLAH BLAH BLAH listen who ever u are mg ,new name mr moron ,how dare u lie to me and on this board to everyone else i never once ever ask for my donations up front as i recall , i always collect my donations after my date nor do i ever have to ask for a tip ,if i get one great, if i dont no problem but to say on the board that u had the donations on the dresser i know now ur full of s**t,and a LIAR what did u do fly out to nj to see me ?lol isnt there enough young meat for u out in la ?so get ur story straight mr moron who thinks he knows it all ,i kept my panties on and didnt do fs , get a life and get ur story staright on here if ur going to tell the truth hahahaaha i dont even have ur number or name in my nj book ,how about that one !,if i ever did see u in which i dont recall ,u must have had very bad breath and u must have some low self esteem about urself ,did u ever think of getting a penile enlargemenet ?if not u should ur pecker is so small from what i hear ,no wonder why ur wife /grlfrnd cant feel u !its so small from being sooooooooooo over weight ,u must have to pull that extra FAT OF URS ,JUST TO SEE UR TINY WEENY PECKER .HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA ! ill make sure to tell my friends out west to stay away from u .

[greekgirlinnj]

not that i wanna get in the middle of this issue but charisma how do u know if hes fat or whatever..i understand your pissed but i was curious

[Casper]

Oh the tension on UG lately. I can cut it with a knife.

[charisma]

Originally posted by greekgirlinnj
not that i wanna get in the middle of this issue but charisma how do u know if hes fat or whatever..i understand your pissed but i was curious im just giving him back his own medicine to see how he feels !i swear i dont know this guy at all i think hes confusing me with some one else so im just ruining him back ,thats all!just curious ,how many providers did he see while he was in nj that he cant tell the difference from one provider to anther!

[njclassyblonde]

you dont think these men can tell us apart, and you my dear stand out so Im sure no one can not remember you.

[charisma]

Originally posted by njclassyblonde
you dont think these men can tell us apart, and you my dear stand out so Im sure no one can not remember you. thank you classy ! kisses/be safe

[mgigolo]

Originally posted by charisma
i do very well in longisland with no complaints about me

If that's the case, why are do reviews on T*D say Do Not Recommend

[mgigolo]

Originally posted by charisma
I DONT DO DRUGS! NOR DO I DRINK ON MY DATES UNLESS SOMEONE BRINGS CHAMPAGNE FOR ME !CHARISMA

Are you sure about that

[mgigolo]

Originally posted by charisma
i dont care if i see u or not doesnt matter to me ,but never once had i ever had a complaint about me ,i dont steal ,i dont do drugs ,listen if u all want to listen to a guy who i dont even recall in my book or even his name ,wouldnt u think thats kind of strange ,all u men are going to listen to one guy ,ur all a joke and extremly niave ,lmao

Look anywhere on this board to see complaints about you or any other board for that matter.

What black book is this prey tell? Your personal blackmail book perhaps?

[mgigolo]

Originally posted by charisma
i never once ever ask for my donations up front as i recall , i always collect my donations after my date nor do i ever have to ask for a tip ,if i get one great, if i dont no problem but to say on the board that u had the donations on the dresser i know now ur full of s**t,and a LIAR what did u do fly out to nj to see me ?lol isnt there enough young meat for u out in la ?so get ur story straight mr moron who thinks he knows it all ,i kept my panties on and didnt do fs , get a life and get ur story staright on here if ur going to tell the truth hahahaaha i dont even have ur number or name in my nj book ,how about that one !,if i ever did see u in which i dont recall ,u must have had very bad breath and u must have some low self esteem about urself ,did u ever think of getting a penile enlargemenet ?if not u should ur pecker is so small from what i hear ,no wonder why ur wife /grlfrnd cant feel u !its so small from being sooooooooooo over weight ,u must have to pull that extra FAT OF URS ,JUST TO SEE UR TINY WEENY PECKER .HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA ! ill make sure to tell my friends out west to stay away from u .

Yeah you did tell me before we met to leave the envelope on the dresser and after you jacked me saying your deserving of a tip. Tell your skanky friends whatever you want, I have no idesire in seeing fake escorts

I'm not fat, nor married (recently separated), my dick is absolutely fabulous and my self esteem is just fine. Too bad I can't say the same about you, look in the mirror once in a while it would do you alot of good

[pswope]

Since Judge Crater is on his Yacht in Lake Erie and unavailable for the fact finding hearing, let me suggest an alternative dispute resolution vehicle.


Naked Foul Shooting

Both CHARISMA & ggigilo should be at the Baldwin Park Basketball Court Sunday at 12 noon.

Best of 10 shots. Loser apologizes to winner on the board adn gets a 3 day timeout.

Tix $10 with proceeds going to the Why Can't Everybody in Commercial Sex Get Along and Stop Whoreboard Wars , Flaming and Other Gratuitous Attacks, Hustling,Bad Service,Not Showing up for appointnemts on Time, Shilling for Freebies,typing in all caps and lying about your age.

Donations are tax deductible to the extent allowed by law.

[Profriend4u]

First off I need to ask Mgigilo, Why did you post (on BigDoggy) 2 months ago that you saw Charisma? And if in fact she was soooooooooo bad, why did you go back for seconds? So Don't sit there leading people to believe that you are innocent in all this, you are the one that came back for more!

It saddens me that people have nothing better to do then to sit here and rip someone apart. Trying to mess up their rep in a business where they make there living, and if the grape vine is correct, then Mgigilo never actually saw Charisma, but is working with another provider to down her (Charisma) because this other provider is jealous of the business that Charisma get that the other provider does NOT. I am not going to name names, because I am better then that. I just want to say that is LOW and it just proves what type of person you, the unnamed provider really are! (You know who you are!)

I know Charisma personally and I can vouch for her Rep as one of the leading providers in NY, and I have read countless reviews on her stating nothing but the best. Now it also comes into play the not everyone is everyone else’s type, and if that was the case, then, move on, but from knowing her personally as a friend and as a business associate, I have nothing but respect for her. And all the petty people that can't keep up should try a little harder to make themselves better instead of trying to drag someone else down.

I ask again what is this world coming to.... "Can’t we all just get along????"

[Hotpuppy]

Originally posted by Profriend4u
"Can’t we all just get along????"

Apparently not
hp

[mgigolo]

Originally posted by Profriend4u
First off I need to ask Mgigilo, Why did you post (on BigDoggy) 2 months ago that you saw Charisma? And if in fact she was soooooooooo bad, why did you go back for seconds? So Don't sit there leading people to believe that you are innocent in all this, you are the one that came back for more!

It saddens me that people have nothing better to do then to sit here and rip someone apart. Trying to mess up their rep in a business where they make there living, and if the grape vine is correct, then Mgigilo never actually saw Charisma, but is working with another provider to down her (Charisma) because this other provider is jealous of the business that Charisma get that the other provider does NOT. I am not going to name names, because I am better then that. I just want to say that is LOW and it just proves what type of person you, the unnamed provider really are! (You know who you are!)

I know Charisma personally and I can vouch for her Rep as one of the leading providers in NY, and I have read countless reviews on her stating nothing but the best. Now it also comes into play the not everyone is everyone else’s type, and if that was the case, then, move on, but from knowing her personally as a friend and as a business associate, I have nothing but respect for her. And all the petty people that can't keep up should try a little harder to make themselves better instead of trying to drag someone else down.

I ask again what is this world coming to.... "Can’t we all just get along????"

First off, I never posted on T*D about her and have not seen her twice. Saw her for the first time recently and once was more than enough. ..

I'm not in cahoots with any provider to discredit Charisma's reputation (I have no idea what your talking about there) or hurt her business (she does a fine job herself) but if she has a jealous escort/enemy make it public knowledge and post her name... I was in no way trying to drag her down (she does it very well on her own)...

It was a lousy session and instead of attacking me about it, she should try to work on improving the quality of her sessions...

I was just stating my experience with her and for her to get all stupid and say those awful things about me and how she has a blackbook and that shit is just plain dumb and not very discreet...

I never said anything to attack her just stated I was not happy with the time spent in her company...

THE END

[Casper]

There are two sides to every story and the truth lies somewhere in between.

Unless your Ozzy, then his side will always be the truth. (said with tongue in cheek)


Xxx-Files: The Truth Is Out There

[drojek]

I thought this was a thread about the importance of regular brushing. I guess I'm a bad speller. (thanks to Flounder)

[Flounder]

Originally posted by drojek
I thought this was a thread about the importance of regular brushing. I guess I'm a bad speller. (thanks to Flounder)

That would be "Avoid like the plaque!"

[redleg609]

Originally posted by drojek
I thought this was a thread about the importance of regular brushing. I guess I'm a bad speller. (thanks to Flounder)

I had the same problem, thinking it was about brushing. I believe the confusion is due to the vagaries of certain fonts, the use of underlining, and the need for a quick trip to the optometrist.

What I really want to know is how did Flounder come to influence your spelling?

[drojek]

It wasn't the spelling. Just his habit of commenting on thread titles. My favorite was one with Porcelain in the title.

[Flounder]

It actually looks like "plaque" because the title is underlined.

[JackT]

plague

plague


(although on the thread index page, the underline is slightly lower, totally obscuring the bottom of the g. you guys are right)

[Flounder]

Originally posted by JackT
plague

plague


(although on the thread index page, the underline is slightly lower, totally obscuring the bottom of the g. you guys are right)

That's exactly what we were talking about.

[Lemurrush]

FWIW:

I had seen Charisma a number of times before retirement. She never was a ripoff...she always delivered great full service, and, in my reviews of her I was always objective as to her positives and negatives. For the most part, she seemed genuinely disappointed if two cups of coffee were not available.

None of which, of course, means that what this gentleman is suggesting DEFINITELY didn't happen...but, I've recommended her to people, and THEY'VE come back with glowing reviews.

I just don't think it's fair (ever) to just immediately assume someone with 68 posts (probly 30, in this thread) is the be-all, end-all for experiences. Then again, he has been registered since February, which SHOULD eliminate the possibility that the ID was created solely to discredit Charisma...

Just realize, that there're any number of sides to every story - and VERY few of them lead to the conclusion that the BEST route to take is to "kick someone's teeth in."

Lemur

[BigMadM]

I have to post again here.
I just read the entire thread.
I saw charisma, this girl, only once.
Im offering no review again, just want to state some facts I experienced with her.
(no, im no knight in shining armour, just facts, I guess ymmv, but its hard to believe the milage is 10000 miles in opposite directions.)
Money-I had 2 hour appt. Money was left in clear view on nite table and was not touched until she left.
I told her what was there and she did not count it in my presence.
She stuffed it in her small bag and kissed me goodbye.
Performance-bbbj, came on those big artificial boobs.
decent quality bj..not the best but she worked at it for a good 20 minutes.
No greek.
doggie, and cowgirl was a nice ride.
she insisted on cowgirl, she seemed to enjoy it the most.
She delivered second pop by hand job. At my request.
I enjoyed the lube-up and the fierce motion.
Second pop was delivered and she washed up and lay next to me in bed.
Never looked at clock.
I told her I have to go.
Kiss on cheek and she left
thats it....gave a session that in my opinion was worth the money.
I think she might be older than the 31 or 32 that she told me she was.(I dont remember if she said 31 or 32.)

[steamman]

Big Mad M - Kudos to you sir! I have been trying and trying for the past two months to get an HONEST review of Charisma's performances, and now I finally have one. The reviews I saw of her on *** were all over the place. Reviews on TER were the same. It seems that some people really don't like the lady, and it is their right to review her poorly - but when personal grudges come into a review, the reviewer looses credibility. You gave a GREAT review because it was objective - you weren't pimping for Charisma and you weren't slamming her either. For providing an unbiased review - one that is useful to fellow hobbyists, I thank you, Sir!

[Crystal]

One word in this world I cant handle its the word Cunt....to me its horrible and should never be used in any way there are other words that you can use.

[greekgirlinnj]

i agree but i prefer the word

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[BigMadM]

CUNT-I find it quite funny(although I do understand) that people involved in this business find this word disturbing.
Isnt this the same business were one can find a 19 y/o sticking her tongue up some 58y/o clients asshole and humming and moaning how much she enjoys it?
Cunt seems like nothing compared to this.
The fact that a young girl is willing to venture into this dark territory with an object that is the most taste sensitive thing on her body amazes me to begin with. Cunt- still doesnt sound so bad when I think about asian delights.

Anyway, having reread the thread, I only have one more thing to add.
People on both sides of this hobby can sit here and write about the few times they have felt ripped off.
In fact, Ive been slighted more than once, but its the pitfalls of this hobby and must be expected.
Noone enjoys the feeling that he or she is being cheated.
Violence will not solve anything.
My only concern is that there are girls out there that practice bad business, and like stated on this thread, what can a client do.
So, these providers put themselves at tremendous risk if they continue to shortchange clients.
I will simply walk away from this type of provider and post info about my negative experiences with her.
Another person may want his justice on the spot, this can be a problem.

Ladies who continually seem to rip-off or shortchange clients dont have my sympathy when a client responds with harsh remarks or posts that might upset or hurt their business.
I dont condone violence, but some of these ladies(like the eros clan on Long Island),will most likely piss off the wrong client one day and we will all find out about it.
It wont upset me too much.
When one plays with fire, one can expect to get burned.

[Fargo]

Originally posted by BigMadM
CUNT-I find it quite funny(although I do understand) that people involved in this business find this word disturbing.

What's the difference between a tribe of sly pygmies and a sorority girl track team?

The tribe of sly pygmies is a bunch of cunning runts.

Huh? Whaddi say?

[heffer123]

the whole problem between holly and lemur was caused by chrismia (rio)and a lot of the problems and fighting is caused by her she is very jealous of anyone that looks better than her and makes more than her and if she dont like what you post about her she will post your personal info everywhere and she uses different names every time so watch out long island

[billyS]

Heff, Why the fuck didn't you tell us this in that thread? It would have put it in whole different light.

[heffer123]

holly would not let me say anything.she just wanted to stay under the radar then chrismia wants her to work for her and she says no .that started world war 3 rio shes lemur for free to spreed rumor about holly .at the same time carl is calling her to go work for his agency so holly said fuck everybody

[billyS]

Originally posted by heffer123
that started world war 3 rio shes lemur for free to spreed rumor about holly .
Can you clarify that sentence? What is rio? Carl has an agency?
Is this the famous CarlM? One more question, I see a Charisma advetising in Newsday Classified. Same girl?
Thanks Heff.

[jimbo44]

So.... I am wondering if there is more than 1 Charisma out there?? It certainly was not this one! And.. if you do a search on her, you will find that she even hipped us to other LI rip offs back in April, May ( tina Parker etc.) They are all there, I do not feel like putting it all together.


I took the Plunge
Well, last night as I pulled into my driveway, I was on the phone with Beth>3 and discussing the possibility of us hooking up later on. She was at work and kept being interuppted. As I was on hold I received another call from Charisma aka Georgina, who did say she'd call in an earlier e mail that day. I knew I wanted to see "someBODY" this night but was undecided as to whom. Both girls sonded bubbly and exciting on the phone, so I had to make a choice quick! Since Beth wanted me to get a room at a nearby hotel and also her fee was .5 higher, whereby Charisma was willing to come to my house, and at a fee of $$.5, which I negotiated, I had no other choice. I can understand Beth not wanting to come to my place on a 1st meeting, but hopefully she will change her mind. Anyway, getting back to what y'all want to hear.... Charisma shows up right on time wearing black leather boot high heels, black leather pants and a tight fitting short black jacket over a white top that revealed these unbelievable breasts, that were cascading out of there confines. I know they r not the ones she was born with, but for 8 grand, she certainly got what she paid for. She wanted red wine, I wanted kettle one and tonic, so we sat inthe living room listening to 101.9 smooth jazz, making the usual small talk, and b4 long were laughing at each others jokes and stories. A song she liked came on, and she came over and gave me a professional lap dance, one she has obviously done many times over at the club she used to or still does work at in NYC. I know, but can not reveal with out her permission. As I was refreshing our drinks she changed into these 6 or 7 inch heels and came out of her pants and top, OMG!!! After about 20 mins of teasing, squeezing, etc, she sat down on the couch, did this dancer split where she brought her legs over her head and motioned me you know where! Her scent is just what we all seek down yonder, and after about 15 min of pure DATY, she grabbed my head and pushed it hard into her, you know the rest. YES!!! We then went into the bedroom, a little more foreplay.. watching her do her stripper stroll... then missionary, spoonfed, and finally doggie, till the ultimate utopian orgasm I've not had in quite some time. Body - 10+, Face 7+ ( but only because she did not have ANY makeup on at all), she reminds you of a 70's hippie look if you recall. with a little make up she is riding in as a 8 to 9 depending on your taste. Personality, an 8 I guess. A lot of fun to talk to, did not feel at all like a bus. transaction. So guys, its your move from here... I will wait till next time for Beth... I did call her back and explained. She was of course cool about it!