wonders

[candie]

Why do clients lie? Why would a provider lie to another provider? Why?

I never lie. If someone doesnt like me I am more than happy to point them in the direction to what might make them happy. Why is it necessary to be evil? How can you tell who is telling the truth? No one Truely can since there are such lying jealous girls.

I have always been upfront. If one doesnt like my pics why go to another provider and trash me? Doesn't make sense to me.

I now doubt who she says said this did. <explains>

girl zero says sewNsew talked badly about you when we met....said your pictures were not accurate. < Who knows, could of been an ugly day or long nite b4 <Then posted a bad reveiw about me on the board. <review of girl zero I mean>

hmmm, can't say I ever met sewNsew but since clients change handles who knows. I suspect I now distrust this provider...

Thanks for listening... <dawn, go away I no good for you... oh i dont remember the rest of that song but you ... i remember U, can you call me... soon? > miss your smile!!! and laughs :)

Sincerely,
candie
xx

ps. If i shouldnt of written this, I am sorry but I needed to vent and wonder why people are like this?

[Edited by candie on 04-12-2001 at 01:53 PM]

[Slinky Bender]

Candie,
This is why i so often rant on and on about using 'third hand" info. You never know wht the hidden agenda is of the person spreading it.

In your example, some possible motives ?
1) He's a really great customer, and miss zero wants to keep him all for herself, and thinks that trashing him to other people will limit his options.
2) He gace a bad review to her ( or a friend ) which she finds unacceptible, and thinks that it doesn't matter if the things she says about him are true or not, since the end ( that he get slammed ) justifies the means.
3) She's confused about who it really is who she's talking about, or to ( i.e. she has either him or you "wrong" ).
4) The thing that happened, actually did happen, but it's "someone else's story". I've seen an awful lot of people taking what appear to be good stories, and copping them as if they were their own. in fact, there was a site recently talked about elsewhere, which had an annecdote 'told" as if it were firtst person, when in fact it had been lifted word for word from a SF publication. The problem is compounded by the fact that when you lift someone else's story, you don't really know if it was theirs to begin with ( they might have lifted the story themselves ). Like a game of telephone, you never know how many changes there were in the intermediate steps. By the time the story gets back to you, it has nothing to do with what it started out as. In the instant example, it could have simply started out as "I saw candie. In one of the photos on the website, she had red hair, so it must have been an old photo", or something to that effect.
5) This person hates everyone in the business, and thinks that if everyone else does poorly, it's better for them ( this can be "conscious" or "subconsious" ). They want everyone else to lose customers and doesn't care if it takes lies to make that happen.
6) thew person didn't get the tip they wanted from the guy and is just 'getting even".


I could go on, but you get the picture. the problem is, you will rarley be able to discern anyone's true mnotives, so it's very hard to tell when anyone is being totally truthful. that's why it's so pernicious to pass on gossip. But, since - to some extent - everything on these boards is gossip, where do you draw the line ?

[Ezrlove]

Candie, I am sending you a big hug and telling you everything is going to be ok. You know that you can always vent to me. One thing that I have learned is that you can't trust to many people in this business (both providers and hobbyist).

I'll call you later, keep your head up.


Ez

[Phantom]

On the subject of providers lying to clients here's a huge one and I do not hold what this one provider did against every provider, but god did this screw up my life.

I was seeing this one provider for close to a year. The last time I saw her she told me that she wanted to see me outside of work and that she wanted to come back and spend weekends with me without me having to pay. She knew I had feelings for her, but during this meeting they were in check, I was just enjoying my time with her, yet she said these things and she must have know the effect of saying such things to me would have on me. All the other times that I had seen her she was very measured in her words. Never saying anything that could be misconstrued

During the 24 hours following the time she said these things to me I asked her a couple of times if she really meant what she had said and each time she said yes.

The night after she said these things to me I once again asked her and she totally denied ever saying any such thing. She told me that I only wanted to hear what I wanted. She also compared it to two people witnessing an accident with each having a different version of what happened. .

Do you have any idea what it's like to search for something all your life without finding it? And then after you've given up hope of ever finding what you've searched for, it's just drops into your lap, totally out of the blue. And then imagine just as suddenly it appeared it is ripped cruelly out of your hands. You have no idea how much this hurt me, both emotionally and physically. You see after receiving a very hostile email from her I got very aggitated and suffered a heartattack.

After she denied saying any such thing to me, I reacted like anybody would. I was very hurt and confused. Yet I was accussed of creating the whole problem. In her words I "created chaos out of nothing".

But you know no one cares, since I'm just another dick with a wallet, so what the fuck.

[Edited by Phantom on 04-12-2001 at 03:08 PM]

[candie]

I see what your saying SB, points well taken and its does certainly happen a lot!!!

I just get frazzeled when I don't understand someones motives!

Now she moves to fuc*factory till things blow over. I just don't understand this thinking. The next day he even appoligzes on the board?

scrams,
candie
xx

[Phantom]

[Edited by Phantom on 04-13-2001 at 01:48 PM]

[guy catelli]

Originally posted by candie
...Now she moves to fuc*factory till things blow over...."fuc*factory"?

[candie]

I don't agree with what you said. I do think though what goes around comes around. She will get hers. But you were taught a lesson that stung for sure. Please don't think your a dick with a wallet. Sure were in this for the money but you I am sure have taken clients out to dinner you liked and perhaps you got thier biz, perhaps not. Playing is fun but playing that way is always temporary for those types..and theres just so many of them. Learning the warning signs helps avoid them. Lots of desparte women out there... beware

[Phantom]

"What goes around, comes around"? I seriously doubt it. EVERYONE took her side of the story because of who she is. And for trying to get her to talk to me honestly about what happened and not hiding behind email, I got the label of STALKER

Yet if I was really a stalker I could have shown up on her front steps one day, because SHE told me her real name and address. Something I NEVER did.

[Casper]

Originally posted by Ezrlove
One thing that I have learned is that you can't trust to many people in this business (both providers and hobbyist).Ez
I'll go further and suggest you just can't trust too many people in general !!! I've come to realize as I get older and hopefully wiser, that the more people I talk to, the more I like animals better. Who knows ANYONE's motives for doing or saying anything. Heck not even those people know, why would we know.......

Reminds me of why I'm glad I have very very few close friends.
Peace Out
C

[nj george]

other than ripping me off, the fastest way for an escort to loose me as a client(and also for a person to loose me as a friend) is to lie to me. i value honesty above everything. as to why they do it? who knows. maybe it's for the simple reason of because they can. . why do some providers go by multiple names at the same time? what are they trying to hide?

except for a few slip ups, i try to take everything i hear with a grain of salt.

phantom, i feel for you. i too know what it feels like to be manipulated and used. maybe not necessarily to the extreme that you describe, but it was still very painful for me. thank goodness i had 2 wonderful friends to help me through it. one from my private life and one in the business. from the business side my special lady friend has never been anything less than 100% honest with me. i trust her with my life. and i cherish our friendship.

[littleguy]

I KNOW this is too simplistic, but

1.) the activity is illegal, therefore lying is inevitable to some degree.

2.) Most guys are looking for fantasy or the lady is acting (lying ?) to help him acheive as pleasurable an experience as possible.

3.) There is a lot of money involved. Where there is money, there are liars.

Maybe I'm MORE cynical than most, but I'm, not sure about that.

[guy catelli]

Originally posted by littleguy
Maybe I'm MORE cynical than most, but I'm, not sure about that. i'm not sure about that part, either.

[candie]

I am amazed at the last email from her I received. She sure hates men! What a cold person she is. I thank all of you for your thoughts on this one. How could someone be in the business with such a vicious attitude, what a shame!

littleguy,
1. most dont need to lie. Thats one of the perks in this business clients don't have to lie and providers are self destructive if they do ultimately hurting their business. She was wondering why the business has slowed a few weeks ago..... >rolling her eyes<

2. Yes we are all great actresses, but we can still have lots of fun and real bells can ring!

GC, I want you to write 300 times I will not cut and paste.

[guy catelli]

Originally posted by candie
.....GC, I want you to write 300 times I will not cut and paste.Candilicious, c'mon, babe, email with the name of this 'fuc*factory'. she sounds like my kinda dame. :cool:

[candie]

GC
I assumed it was a name she made up. I wouldnt think she wouldn,t want anyone to know her location, for obvious reasons.

[guy catelli]

"fuc*factory" is her screen name?

[candie]

no GC . That was the place she said she wanted to go for incall till things cooled down.

Don't want to say her name as I know she has clients here.

[guy catelli]

Originally posted by candie
no GC . That was the place she said she wanted to go for incall till things cooled down.

Don't want to say her name as I know she has clients here.

ah, so it's not another asp message board or a new screen name; rather, it's an establishment.

btw, how 'bout this 'Lola': -- she sounds hot: http://www.*********.net/discussion/posts/37506.html

does anyone have any pics of her?

[Edited by guy catelli on 04-13-2001 at 04:55 PM]

[Paige]

Candie I knew from her first post she had an attitude and u are much too sweet to have to deal with this,Now u know why I have gone back to school to get out of this biz and back to the life I once had ,very few people can u trust. I trust u Candie because I always had a sense that u had a good heart perhaps u are naiive because u want to believe people are good and they just aren't my love.Don't worry she will get her just desserts.
Love to Candie Gurl never an after taste
Your Pal '
Paige
PS Candie thnx for caring about me. It helped me today sso much.

[candie]

OOOH wow Paige, your dipping back into the real world! WoW! I sometimes think about it, then I remember. Much happier this way for me.

[nj george]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by candie
[B]Why do clients lie? Why would a provider lie to another provider? Why?



Thanks for listening... <dawn, go away I no good for you... oh i dont remember the rest of that song but you ... i remember U, can you call me... soon? > miss your smile!!! and laughs :)

Sincerely,
candie
xx

just dawned on me(pun intended!) of another four seasons song from that era...."candygirl"

coincidence?????? :)

[nj george]

sorry, haven't exactly figured how to get the quote thing right yet!