Memorial Day

[Slinky Bender]

I don't know why, but today I was thinking about the guys who you used to see posting on the boards and always had great things to say, but now are gone. Who do you guys miss the most ?

[HornDogBuddah]

Zuggie

[littleguy]

Rufus Moses, wsb and Rust, although Rufus appears to be the only one of the three not around AT ALL anymore.

I hardly ever agreed with any of them but I sure enjoyed their well thought out and knowledgable points of view as well as their wit.

I miss Zuggie too.

[HAPPY GUY]

I used to enjoy reading Xerxes' reviews, until Claire La Femme revealed his real name and nobody seemed to care that she had done such an unprofessional thing. He seems to have gone very underground since that time.

[Phantom]

VERY few guys will know the name Paparotzi. I can see just about everyone saying Who?

It's only because of him and his efforts I came to know of OhCharley (although I know her by another name), Nikki from Houston, Tasha Ray, PamEla from CT, Maria the Swedish nanny and others too numerous to list.

Man, where ever you are and whatever you're doing, I hope things worked out well for you.

[Ozzy]

straightshooter. ;)

[TuckernotSucker]

Carl K, Hank151, Mr.Wonderful, Valerie

[wimpy]

Mack Monroe - He is truly missed by me.

[Ozzy]

i was only kidding about that above.......

definitely valerie

[Tankcommander]

Whatever did happen to Samantha from Julies...I always wanted to see her, but left just as I got enough scratch together to go...

[justme]

Zugs, Rufus, WSB (the prolific version)

and spiegal, mephistopholes, and the moral monster.

[Tankcommander]

He's missing in action...
I haven't seen a post from him in like days.

Quick, someone insult Chloe...LOL

[robnotbob]

Mostly from *** NY SPA..where I used to post alot...tigger, klownsoup, hank151 (I still converse with from time to time), Adriana with 1 N....

[Carl M]

Originally posted by Tankcommander
He's missing in action...
I haven't seen a post from him in like days.

Quick, someone insult Chloe...LOL

He is probably busy with passover coming up on Sat!

[littleguy]

TC, very funny. Hahahahahaha

All you have to do is RESPOND to Chloe and she'll be sure you insulted her. Hahahahaha

[candie]

my hot pink gel toy. Man that toy could vibrate up a storm while I read. I never got mad at anything I read and everyone was always right... :)

till I broke it :(

[Slinky Bender]

Hey, that's off topic ! That gel toy was only a lurker, he never posted anything !!!!!!!

[TuckernotSucker]

SB wait just a minute. That toy was designed, manufactured and distributed on Long Island. A new one is on the way to Candie along with directions. If she wishes to pick it up in person, she may get some personal training on the apparatus.
Although an inanimate object cannot post, many posts have been written about it to qualify.

[HAPPY GUY]

In related news, *** has once again deleted posts that he didn't like (apparently unfavorable to an escort that he's fond of). While his board isn't the U.S. government and he can moderate as he sees fit, it further goes to show that board is perhaps not the best source for unbiased information. Does he even allow negative reviews anymore?

[Phantom]

HG,

So who was the escort?

[Slinky Bender]

HG,
It's even more ironic than you let on. Come on, tell the guys why it's so funny.

[San_Te]

The Big Dork deleted some negative posts on Hannah of Nashville (now New Orleans) I made on the New Orleans board. They were allowed to stand for a couple of weeks and then one day they were deleted. Guess what else appeared on the day they were deleted? Hannah finally broke down and bought a banner ad. LOL

[HAPPY GUY]

As I mentioned to Slinky, it might be more instructional (and accurate) to have the original offended party (Xerxes) relate his story if he's up for it, though having followed the events I can give a version of it.

The most recent was for Ginger2001 (it's still somewhere near the top on the New York Escorts board). Two separate people wrote something negative about her sometime on Friday, and a few hours later when I checked back *** had deleted the posts and put his own absurdly glowing message in there.

While I agree that providers should be treated with the same respect that clients expect, at the same time I think that letting others know who to watch out for is equally as important, given that this hobby is more expensive than, oh, say.... stamp collecting or antiquing. I know a lot of you work in finance and can afford to spend several hundred dollars on what may turn out to be a bad experience (which is not an indictment; I'm envious, frankly), but for some of us "hobbying" is a once-in-a-while treat and a bad experience is more than disappointing. It's like saving up for months to buy a car, and then finding out that it doesn't run properly and there's no chance of a refund (does that analogy even make sense?).

This is why I don't bother posting at *** anymore (even though I've never put up a negative review). I simply don't like the thought of a board purporting to be helpful when it oftentimes isn't, and if I am (or others are) going to take the time to write something (even anonymously) that the board actively seeks, then I think it's a bit nervy to delete the posts and then expect me to remain loyal.

[Phantom]

How long do you think it is before Raquel (Ginger2001) will be listed on ***? I believe in that same thread were Raquel says she will travel to NYC, Chuckie says that Canadian girls are at this time not listed on ***.

I believe that before long Raquel will be listed and the reason will be that she travels to NYC therefore making he eligible to be ranked on his list. As if I or anybody else really cares.

BTW did anyone catch Raquel requested fees? $400/hour with no discounts for multiple hours and only $6000 for 24 hours. Also if she is requested to travel a first class plane ticket is needed. Also a 50% deposit has to be sent to her.

I better bust open my penny jars. She asks for cash. I wonder if she will take pennies?

[Edited by Phantom on 04-07-2001 at 06:40 PM]

[HAPPY GUY]

But those fees and deposits can probably be reduced and eliminated once she realizes what people are willing to pay. A little while ago, I had a brief e-mail exchange with a Canadian provider (not Ginger) who was looking for New Yorkers to hire her to come to Manhattan. The fees were exhorbitant (for what she was charging, I could've spent a few hours with the women of Glamour Roses post-price hike) and I was told to book quickly as there was a lot of interest. I told her that I wasn't interested, but that if someone else hired her and she wanted to make a little extra cash to let me know. Bang! The price dropped, the deposit wasn't required, and the rush to beat the other "suitors" disappeared.

I know this field is unusual, but why is it the responsibility of the client to pay travel expenses for people looking for their business?

[Phantom]

There was a time when that's all I did, fly in providers from other parts of the country. I'm talking about 24 o 48 hour dates. When you look at the prices that you would have to pay a girl from NYC for that length of time, even paying for the girls airfare plus her fee was cheaper.

It was pretty much standard operating procedures, paying for her travel expenses (her airfare)

[frog]

I have never paid anyone for 24+ hours... not that I haven't spent that long with a provider, but if there were enough chemistry between us for me to *want* to spend 24-48-72 hours together, it would hopefully be a case of mutual chemistry, not just my lust chemistry.

[frog]

not that there is anything wrong with paying for her extended time of course, but am just saying that (for me) such an extended date would push into a personal relationship, not a commercial one.

[John Blackthorne]

Seems to be a posting entity only, on the Toronto board there are posts from that handle for an agency, and for Black SP's and Massage.

Racquel herself has almost no mention on Canadian boards..mixed...light kissing, safety conscious, but by NO means a top lady in Toronto.

So we have another example of *** blowing smoke...just more BS.

But now many wait eagerly to pay large sums to this lady...because HE has spoken.

jb

[Edited by John Blackthorne on 04-07-2001 at 11:56 PM]

[Slinky Bender]

Ok, apparently no one else caught what I thought was so ironic:

Take a look at her website. Everyone who posts on all of these "hobby sites" is a pathetic loser. The sites are all lies. She goes on and on ( and on and on.....).


What do you think about escort review-board web sites? Do you ever read them?
Oh, boy. Now you’ve got me started! (laughs) Here I go… Taking what is posted on a review board as gospel is like relying on the supermarket tabloids for your news. But to answer your question - no, I do not read escort review boards and I have found that most of my clientele doesn't either. Instead, they like to think for themselves. To be perfectly honest, the whole concept of review boards is quite humourous to me - a bunch of painfully single guys with a whole lot of time on their hands, thinking they're the Roger Ebert of the local escort scene. As if what they say or think of a girl matters or has some sort of significance or influence. You have to pity them in a way. Although I have heard from numerous people that the feedback about me has been very positive and quite flattering, I get the impression that review boards are for, the most part (but not exclusively - because there are good people everywhere - even on escort review boards), frustrated, frugal men with very limited funds. As a result, these self-proclaimed "hobbyists" need approval (and lots of it) from their penny-pinching peers before they part with their king’s ransoms and make a decision. Everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion, but I think something as personal and delicate as seeing an escort (and the intricacies thereof) should certainly not be up for public discussion. Simply put, escort review web sites lack credibility. Like so many aspects of the Internet, review boards can offer complete anonymity to those who post on them. As a result, people feel that they can spew their venom or say whatever lie they wish without fear or repercussion. And for the most part, that’s entirely true. What you end up having is total bias being masked as complete objectivity. More often than not these review boards consist of the following:

1) Escort agencies (disguised as clients) posting bad reviews about an independent escort to hurt that independent escort’s business and lure perspective clients to their agency (by posting glowing reviews about their own girls).
2) Actual escorts (disguised as clients) posting negative reviews about other escorts that they feel are their competition.
3) Actual escorts (disguised as clients) posting amazing reviews about themselves to attract business.
4) Disgruntled individuals who have never even seen the escort they are writing about (disguised as clients) posting numerous unflattering comments and/or reviews because they are jealous and angry that they can’t afford her fee or because she is very selective with whom she sees.
(Certain ISPs give users a different IP address every time him/her logs online, thus allowing the user to create as many distinctly different profiles on a review site as is humanly possible. Therefore it is possible for one person to appear to be many distinctly different people on a review board web site.)
At it’s very best, an escort review board is a forum for sex addicts to brag about their sexual conquests. From what I’m told, any girl who charges a premium for her time is usually bombarded with criticisms and insults on these sites. Apparently most of the guys who write less than favourable things about the more expensive girls have never even seen them in the first place. This jealousy is parlayed into bogus reviews and defamatory slander. Girls in my echelon are often ridiculed for our price and/or because we are very particular and selective about who we see. Of course, the less expensive girls (or girls with no sexual boundaries or who do not practice safe sex) are hailed as gods. And that is fine. Again, everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion. But if someone felt the need to consult with a review board before making an appointment with me, he is definitely not the kind of person I would wish to see.

I see what you’re saying. I never really looked at it that way, but some people (review board junkies, for example) may be offended by some of your comments.
And if that is the case I sincerely and truly apologize. I certainly don't mean to offend anyone. However, most people are offended by something when it strikes a personal chord with them. Usually because what is being said is true. That aside, I stated my opinion - nothing more, nothing less. Everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion, right? Even me. Again, my intent is not to offend, but rather state a very clear position I have on a particular issue that I feel strongly about. And those who would be offended by what I have said are definitely not the type of people I would agree to see anyway. Consider this the litmus test for our compatibility - if I offend you, don’t call me. It’s that simple. It should be noted, however, that my clientele do not find what I say to be the slightest bit offensive.

So you wouldn’t even want me to post a phenomenal, incredible, outstanding, heaven-on-earth review of you on an escort review board?
No thank you! A lot of escorts would want you to write something really nice about them, but I definitely would not. As I’ve said before, I am a different type of escort and, in all honesty, I would want you to post a phenomenal review of me about as much as I would want you to post an negative one. As mentioned previously, privacy and discretion (both yours and mine) are very important to me and I strongly feel that they should apply to all aspects of our time together. The details of our encounter should not be up for public display or discussion. To me, that is just common sense. I provide a very exciting, intimate, passionate, and personal experience - and I prefer to keep the particulars solely between us. In the event I am not all that I say I am and more, I’m sure you would have known about it if you were the type that looks for so-called "reviews". If you are so compelled to post on the various review boards, please, please, please reserve that activity for an escort who will appreciate it. In other words, someone other than myself.



[Edited by slinkybender on 04-08-2001 at 02:39 AM]

[HAPPY GUY]

Slinkybender, I just read that portion of her site and I agree with you: her comments generally wrong (there are situations like agencies trashing people and posing as clients, but those are not the overall tone of things.... I find that boards can be a valuable way to share information and commiserate with others who have the same interest, in a hobby where it might otherwise be impossible to get reliable information and share experiences).

It's too bad, because if her photos are genuine then she is an extremely attractive woman.

A question for Phantom: what did you do with the women all week or weekend long when you flew them in? Didn't it get tiring having to entertain someone? Or did you go your own ways for part of the time?

If I had the funds, I might consider taking a provider with me on vacation though only if I could be sure that we were definitely going to enjoy spending that much time together. Sigh. Maybe someday.

[Slinky Bender]

I actually don't have that much of of problem with her expressing her opinion. And yes, some of what she says is correct ( perhaps not to the extent she implies ). However, what bugs me is that after claiming "A lot of escorts would want you to write something really nice about them, but I definitely would not", now she's on a board doing the opposite.

One other point: when you are any kind of celebrity, it's really bad form to shit on your fans, no matter how silly they get. In this business, there are ladies who like the guys they see ( even though it's a business, you can still like your clients !!! ) and those who really dislike and disdain the clients. I think a perusal of this lady's FAQ will tell you which of those she is.

[Phantom]

Happy Guy,

I've always tried to tailor each weekend to what I get the feeling that each girl would like. I guess I've been very fortunate that just about every woman I've done this with has been very intelligent. In emails before we meet we've talked enough to find mutual interests, so it's not hard to find something to do outside the bedroom during the weekend. Plus when you become a regular and get past that strict client/escort relationship you become interested in each others lives outside the business. You catch up on what has happened since you've last met.

One girl from Texas flew to NJ during a time when where she lived in Texas the weather was downright nasty. I'm talking a stretch of 100+ days when the temperature did not go below 100* with very high humidity. The weekend she was here in NJ the temperature was in the low 80's, clear blue skies with a slight breeze and almost no humidity. she was perfectly content to just lay out on the deck and catch some sun.

As you might have read in another thread, I took a girl to dinner in NYC and then to see Phantom of the Opera. The next day she wanted to so sight seeing in NYC, WHO am I to say "no" to such a beautiful woman? I've taken girls to Great Adventure and for long walks in Island Beach state Park. But there has been times when I've arranged awesome threesomes for several hours. I've gotten tossed from both Stilettos and Scores. NOT for what I was doing, but because what my dates were doing. They were just getting real fresh with the dancers.

A typical weekend might go like this; arrive at my shore house and either wait for the house to warm or cool depending upon the season. Maybe have some wine and a bit to eat while we sit and talk for a while. Then when the house is comfortable spend some time, a couple of hours maybe, getting reacquainted ;~). Have some dinner and if there is an interesting movie playing that we would like to see, well we go to the movies. Come back and play around a little before bedtime. Next morning. play around some before breakfast, my favorite time to play. If it's nice maybe spend some time outdoors for a while and then have one more session before getting cleaned up to leave.

I find it MUCH more relaxing then a one or two hour session were, no matter how much a lady is not a clock watcher, someone always has their eye on the clock.

And it's STILL cheaper then paying a girl from NYC her requested fee for the same amount of time.

[HAPPY GUY]

I see your point, Phantom. Again, if I had the cash I would definitely like to try something like that. Perhaps soon.

Slinkybender, it seemed as though she liked her clients to me. It simply seemed like she was very full of herself. What did strike me as odd, and hypocritical, was her posting on the very sort of board she claims to disdain.

[John Blackthorne]

Ginger 2001 posts always go to an entry on Toronto exotics..not always Racquels. They are not the same person.

jb

[Slinky Bender]

So then what's the story with this post ? Why is Ginger2001 pushing Raquel ? Does Ginger run Toronto Exotics and is just pushing someone from tha site to increase business ???

[turboman2002]

http://www.*********.net/newyork/posts/24913.html

[LIDAWN]

am i supposed to do that?
I noticed my reviews for last months are there ! 5 of them in last 2 of the monthly ytpe?.. but am i supposed to buy a banner to?
Nobody ever said one way or the other?
http://www.cajuncumfort.com


xxxx ooooo
Dawn

[John Blackthorne]

I pulled Ginger's history on Toronto Board..she just shills for Exotics. Racquel has an ad on exotics.

Nothing more..

jb

[Ozzy]

dawn, just between us and the thousands of others who read *** and all the other boards.......


big dog reviews don't mean diddly! they're nothing more than another post with your contact info.

if you want to put up a banner, do it where at least you're appreciated.....right here!


buying an ad on *** is more like buying insurance.......(and i'll leave it at that)


:cool:

[Tankcommander]

Haven't seen a post from him since he got into that tiff with Slink...

[Carl M]

Saw That Movie, sorry I did not call you, but my buddy coerced me to go out to Brookhaven- I figured you would not drive to Exit 64. Very bloody movie, you woulda liked it!! Imp too!!

[Tankcommander]

Perhaps we can go out to the Calverton SHooting range... I haven't seen Dom, George, or Nelly in like 6 years... They're oldtimers so I hope they're still with us.

[Carl M]

They go skeet shooting over there- Exit 70. Im more west off Exit 57. When was the last time you were there. I also go strawberry picking in June and apple picking out there in August and Sept.

[EarlyRiser]

HornDog & Slinky,

I've missed Zuggie too, (just ran across your posts from this spring), who I knew from the old ASP and corresponded with about my (perhaps our) favorite madame Julie. Sometimes when reading posts in this forum I have wondered whether a poster could be Zuggie under another name. I hope he's well - wether hobbying and posting, or not.

ER

[Slinky Bender]

Apparently he is around, and has just returned from a prolonged "sabbatical" from the hobby.

[Slinky Bender]

I wonder what it is about this thread that the board software thought it was related to that "Tisha review" thread?

[Monk]

I miss Mr. New York.

[iusedtobeone1]

Haven't seen a post from him since he got into that tiff with Slink...

When did we have a tiff.....? In 2001....I can't remember. Can you?

[iusedtobeone1]

Just wondering if you remembered?