Inivisible Semi-Pros

[fishfry]

Inivisible semi-pros are the gals who advert in the NY Press and Village Voice using codewords like "sugar daddy" and "generous," as in "beautiful 20 year old babe looking for generous older gentleman to show me the finer things in life."

Anybody done any research in this area?

[fishfry]

82 views on my last message, no replies. Lotta lurkers out there, and apparently nobody's tried the personal ads. I must be the only guy getting great service at bargain prices this way. Today I'm gonna let you guys in on the secret. I've been researching semi-pros for the past three years, first in San Francisco and now in New York City. Gotta tellya, in terms of price/performance, some of these gals leave your *********-style professionals in the dust.

Invisible semi-pros do it for the same reason professionals do: money. The difference is that semi-pros have day jobs and only see a couple of guys a week, or maybe even just a couple of guys per month. So these gals are much less jaded, more likely to treat you like a person than as a trick.

Last night I saw a gal I had met through a NY Press ad. She's in her early thirties, quite attractive, tight sexy body, very friendly and easy to get along with. I responded to her ad, we had coffee last week, and made a date.

Last night I went over to her place on the upper east side of Manhattan. Two hour session including a great massage, lots of touching and cuddling, bbbj, covered intercourse in various positions. Her oral skills were enthusiastic and technically excellent -- much better, for example, than Fatima at Julie's and Francesca at Nicole Rio's, two well-reviewed providers I've seen. At the end of the session, she gave me a yummy piece of chocolate cake and we chatted for a while.

Total price for two hours: $$+.

I can't tell you her name, because if she wanted a hundred guys calling her she'd take out a display ad. She's not a pro. She's just a gal who places a discreet personal ad and provides service twice as good as the average pro, for half the price. Every week there are a a dozen or so of these ads in the Village Voice and New York Press. I heartily recommend invisible semi-pros for any of you guys tired of the high-priced spread.

fishfry999@hotmail.com

[Geezy Muldoon]

Good tip on finding under the radar women. Thanks.

[Phantom]

fishfry,

I would definitely agee with you that this is a great way to get an above average session, but how many below average ones do you have to go through to find that one gem?

[justme]

Nothing to add to fishfry's great post except to point out that:

Under the radar girls have most likely developed business practices which are sufficient for their model. I think many of them might not be able to handle an onslaught of interest which would be brought about by a favorable public review (I consider every board that has been mentioned or alluded to on this site to be 'public' - especially that one). I'd suggest that anyone interested in reviewing a semi-pro get her approval first, and I think that client also should be fairly honest about potential things that could go wrong (we should all keep some of the events of the last few months in mind). That said, I think it would be great if more people started to use these unpredictable resources.

[Slinky Bender]

justme,
Agreed.

i think the "funniest" thing about reading this all is that the most likely result will not be for guys to go out and use some of the resources ( even the ones quotes by fishfry ), but will intstead by for guys to bug fishfry about who he already saw.



[Edited by slinkybender on 04-02-2001 at 03:53 PM]

[Turbo]

You are fortunate as I have tried quite a number of them over the years and all have bombed out. The biggest reason, I think, is that there is no real fear of a review. Also, after checking on a LOT, not a one looked like the photo . . . and I am not overly picky about looks. Glad you found a good one fish . . . but mine were routinely a waste of time and money.

[Phantom]

Maybe NYC's consumer advocate should start enforcing "truth in advertising" laws? LOL

[robnotbob]

Where's Mark Green when you need him?? That's a public advocate I could vote for (or is he/she appointed by the mayor??)

[Slinky Bender]

Uh, rnb, you have to be a resident of NYC to vote. Although if you're looking for someone who could be the best for "The Hobby", isn't the ex-director of the NY Chaper of the American Civil Liberties Union running for PA this year ( Norman Seigal ?) ?.

[Edited by slinkybender on 04-02-2001 at 04:32 PM]

[robnotbob]

Yes I know that. Just trying to....oh never mind.

[pswope]

I've been able to find dabblers(or moonlighters) for years in the Voice and NY Mag.
To increase your odds of finding the type that fishfry did,you just have to excercise some saviness on the phone. A brief chat will reveal,whether it's an agency,real pro,or a moonlighter.
PLEASE use subtlety and tact in order to comfort the lady that you're not LE or a freak(the absolute worst thing you can do is interrogate as to the precise nature of the services she provides).
If you do your due diligence,you can find gems at 1/2 the price of providers advertising on the 'net. Sometimes,you gotta walk from a bait and switch situation,but as you gain experience,that necessity diminshes.

[thevenerablebede]

i found one through a ny observer ad some years ago. she only provided oral but hell, i enjoyed myself. she was so caught up in the moment (as was i) that daty was allowed. her vibe was "i work at ralph lauren but i'm moonlighting (please don't tell my boyfriend)." gave the whole experience an adulterous aura...

[georgelong]

Some recent listings from New York Magazine.
Anyone have any reviews of the following?


ROLE PLAY
cameron - superb service by private model. independent
212-462-9275

european fantasy - austrian ang gypsy roommates.
212-689-1876

Lea - private, lovely and discreet. sophisticated.
212-829-1243

east side encounter - sophisticated lady.
private wishes understood.
212-935-0716

emma james - beautiful. european.
upscale. midtown. private.
212-330-7563

susan - beautiful, exotic fun. very skilled.
grad degree. upscale.
212-604-4414

feline - explore the animal in you.
212-517-8729

california gold - many specialties.
complete relaxation.
212-420-1005

venezuelan covergirl - for upscale men. in/out. Racquel.
212-249-0128

[HAPPY GUY]

In the interest of experimentation (I'm very curious about this), I called 2 ads in the most recent issue of the VV that seemed to be of this sort. I'll definitely keep the board posted as to how this turns out. Neither of my messages have been returned yet, but I only left them a few hours ago.

[fishfry]

Yes, this is how it came out.

After I posted my little note about how I met a nice gal through the SF Weekly ads, one guy emailed me privately FOUR TIMES. Finally I got permission from the gal to give this guy her info. He called her, met her for coffee, set up a play day, and then he fucking no-showed.

What a shit.

Needless to say the gal then called me, upset that the guy had wasted all her time.

Gentlemen, if you make a date with a woman for sex or for any other reason, and you decide not to show up -- either because you don't have the money, or you don't have the nerve, or you got so excited that you jerked yourself off before going and then lost interest -- whatever the fuck your reason, if you make an appointment and aren't going to show up, show a little fucking class and call her and let her know, ok?

fishfry999@hotmail.com

[Slinky Bender]

What do I always say about vouching for people who you've never met ?

[HAPPY GUY]

By the way, I never received a response to either of the telephone calls that I made (and I tried both numbers twice). Has anyone ever had any luck with this sort of thing in New York? I figure I'll try a few different ads, but I wonder why I never got any return calls. Any thoughts? Any good protocol for leaving messages?

[Turbo]

I am on the West Coast but get out to New York quite a bit and have never had any luck with the Inivisble Semi's. There does need to be a little bit of check and balance with a review. invisible semi's are no different than the TERRIBLE escorts who advertized before the Internet made the rapid transfer of information possible.

[Slinky Bender]

You also have to remember that when you seek to deal with people who aren't professionals, you get....well....people who aren't professional.

HG,
You never know how many calls they got that week. I would suspect that with people who are seeking to be under the radar, also seek to limit their weekly schedule. After a certain number of appointments, they probably don't bother calling anyone else back.

[HAPPY GUY]

Good point. I guess because I'd never heard of this before, other people have probably been doing this for a long time. There were only about 4 or 5 ads in last week's VV that fit the bill, so I wonder if they're getting overloaded with calls and business. Do you think a lot of people are wise to this?

[Slinky Bender]

You have to remember that everybody comes to this from a different place. I'm sure there are guys that have been hobbying for 30 years who would be shocked to find out that there were websites where guys had discussions about the hobby. As such, there are probably guys who use no other way of making contacts than that.

There are providers ( or at least there have been ) who made no other contacts than to respond to personal ads placed by guys in NY Mag. I'd be curious to see if this is still happening. Anyone want to place an ad and see what happens ?

[fishfry]

Each guy has his own likes and desires. Here are some reasons I personally love the semi-pros, even though they are much more difficult to find than pros. Based on my talking to a lot of guys on boards such as this I suspect that very few hobbyists take advantage of this fascinating source of commercial sex. Here are some of my reasons.

* I enjoy the research. For example I rarely go to "recommended" women. I'd rather try someone new and if I have a bad experience, at least I learned something. I find a lot of hidden gems that way in general, even just looking through ads. So for me, the finding of a hidden gem is as much fun (or more) than the sex.

* I don't happen to like the standard fake personal session you get from even the best of the pros. A woman who has sex with ten or twenty guys a week is just not the same as a gal who only sees a couple of regular guys and nobody else.

* I tend to enjoy realistic-type normal women, as opposed to silicone-enhanced hardbody types that a lot of the guys seem to fetishize. Most semi-pros aren't model types, nor are they unattractive. They are for the most part totally normal gals like you see walking on the street. I like that.

* The price is right. These gals do not charge $400 and hustle you out the door after an hour. Most of them you can take out for lunch or dinner before or after your session and they are happy to have a polite gentleman buying them a meal. They don't expect to get paid for their company -- they only expect to get paid for sex.

Now, why are there so few ads in the NY Press? I don't know. I used to live in San Francisco and I have to tell you all, SF is a major hotbed of semi-pros. I thought NY would have lots of these types of ads, but apparently not.

fishfry999@hotmail.com

[HAPPY GUY]

Slinkybender, I'll post the ad in the VV as an experiment to see what we come up with. The only thing I would ask is that people who have been successful at this help me to word the ad so that it will actually attract respondents.

It's high time that I took one for the team.

[Slinky Bender]

Word it in a way that most of the women who are looking for husbands would be totally uninterested in it.

Although, it's probably an expensive experiment.

[HAPPY GUY]

No, I think it's only $50 or so for the ad. It's worth it to see if I get any results. What about something like, "attractive professional male seeks beautiful woman 18-25 to pamper and spoil for discreet relationship" or something like that? It seems fairly in line with the general tone of those sorts of ads.

[BigBucksNYC]

Is there anywhere on the web that these semi-pro women would advertise, just as they do in the newspapers or magazines?

Just curious :)

[Slinky Bender]

I think that is entirely appropriate. If you want, you can even include a code phrase like "for daytime fun".

[HAPPY GUY]

Good call, slinkybender. I'll entertain suggestions until Friday, at which time I'll compose a final version and send it in to the VV.

The updated version now reads, "Attractive professional male seeks beautiful woman 18-25 to pamper and spoil for discreet relationship/daytime fun."

[Ezrlove]

HG - you may want to include race in your ad

eg -

"Attractive professional male seeks beautiful woman 18-25 to pamper and spoil for discreet relationship/daytime fun (race not an issue or prefer such and such race)."

[fishfry]

BigBucksNYC -- Semi-pros advertise in Yahoo personals, for one. Anywhere there are personals ads there are semi-pros, but you gotta do the research.

HappyGuy -- You don't need to spend fifty bucks, the Variations ads are free -- and you can mail them in.

fishfry999@hotmail.com

[guy catelli]

Originally posted by HAPPY GUY
....The updated version now reads, "Attractive professional male seeks beautiful woman 18-25 to pamper and spoil for discreet relationship/daytime fun." the word "generous" will 'ring bells' for those who are attuned to the lyric.

personally, i would add, "recent photo, please".

[Slinky Bender]

A lot of the Excite ads aren't semi-pros....they are pros - i'm assuming the yahoo ads are the same.

[Edited by slinkybender on 04-17-2001 at 07:17 PM]

[Bill Furniture]

This ad posting idea sounds like a good one. Maybe they'll end up paying you!

[HAPPY GUY]

Thanks, Guy Catelli. The ad now reads:

"Attractive and generous professional male seeks beautiful woman 18-25 to pamper and spoil for discreet relationship/daytime fun."

What do you think of this one?

[guy catelli]

Originally posted by HAPPY GUY
Thanks, Guy Catelli.no problem.The ad now reads:

"Attractive and generous professional male seeks beautiful woman 18-25 to pamper and spoil for discreet relationship/daytime fun."

What do you think of this one?how 'bout:

"Generous professional man seeks beautiful woman 18-25 for discreet daytime meetings. Photo, please."

[HAPPY GUY]

That's great, except that I'm not planning on renting a P.O. box from them. You get free voice mail when you place an ad, but I think it's extra to get the snail mail box. Maybe if the experiment is an overwhelming success and I continue to run the ad then I'll rent one, but for now I think I'll forgo it.

So there isn't a way to get photos, unfortunately.

[BigBucksNYC]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by fishfry
[B]BigBucksNYC -- Semi-pros advertise in Yahoo personals, for one. Anywhere there are personals ads there are semi-pros, but you gotta do the research.

I replied to a lot of the ads on Yahoo! and Excite - the ones in the adult or intimate classifieds section (only to the ones with photos). I haven't received any replies yet except automated replies trying to get me to buy a password to different sites. So far i have received about 10 e-mails from the girl I wrote to saying "goto this e-mail and my contact info is on page 4" but on page three you have to enter in an adultpass or some other adult password which costs money.

Anyone else have any suggestions?

[Slinky Bender]

Don't spend a lot of time on the replies. Just a "what's the 411?". If they are a scam, you didn't lose much. If they are a pro, they will respond anyway.

i know that here are at least a dozen on the excite Adult classifieds who advertise regularly.

[BigBucksNYC]

Thanks for the info. I e-mailed a lot of them (as I mentioned) so I am sure I must have hit at least a few of the pros. But I still haven't received a response. I really didn't know what to put in the first e-mail I sent to them...just that I was interested in meeting and a little info about myself.

I will let you know if anything ever comes of it.

[HAPPY GUY]

Definitely keep us updated. I tried the Excite ads once or twice, but I also kept getting automated replies that led to porn sites. It seems like a lot of effort for no return. Slinkybender, do you have any contacts that you can e-mail to me? That would really be great and save me a lot of time.

[BigBucksNYC]

The same goes for me. So far everyday now I receive 10 more e-mails which direct me to porn sites. It is getting a bit annoying and not one of them have been a 'real' person.

:(

[BigBucksNYC]

Okay- so I finally corresponded with a women from the internet but now I have a problem.

First, her profile did not say anything which would lead me to believe that she was a working girl but I e-mailed her anyway because she looked amazing. I received a reply and she asked for some of my pics so I sent them. Then she said in her next e-mail that we should meet for drinks.

I asked if she wanted to talk over IM but she said she preferred talking to guys she didn't know over the phone instead. So within minutes we were talking on the phone.

I had made sure to let her know that I was only looking for a sexual relationship and she said she was fine with that. When we talked, I asked her what she was looking for. She then said she was at work and therefore couldn't go into the details. We ended by saying that we will meet for a drink next week.

Sooo...how do I know if she is a provider or not? Would she have mentioned something about money yet or not? I mean I don't even know how much to bring if we do have drinks. And how am I supposed to find out if she is a provider (which I didn't get the impression of when I talked to her on the phone) without being rude? Of course maybe I actually find just a horny women looking for a no-strings thing...but am I ever that lucky???

What do you all suggest?

[Slinky Bender]

I think you go in assuming she's a provider, but letting her bring up the subject. If she doesn't, well..........

[guy catelli]

Originally posted by BigBucksNYC
Sooo...how do I know if she is a provider or not? Would she have mentioned something about money yet or not? I mean I don't even know how much to bring if we do have drinks. And how am I supposed to find out if she is a provider (which I didn't get the impression of when I talked to her on the phone) without being rude? Of course maybe I actually find just a horny women looking for a no-strings thing...but am I ever that lucky???

What do you all suggest? SB is absolutely correct. if she wants cash in the bargain, she will let you know. let her take the initiative on this particular point.

set a mental $ limit before you start drinking with her. and, just bring your ATM card. if it becomes necessary, she will be more than patient with your need to stop at an ATM machine.

[HAPPY GUY]

Big Bucks, what site did you meet her on?

[BigBucksNYC]

Originally posted by HAPPY GUY
Big Bucks, what site did you meet her on?


I just was looking over profiles on Yahoo! in the regular Women for Men section and responded. There was really nothing that made me think she was a provider...there wasn't one key word.

I will take everyones advice on this and let you know what happens.

If anyone has met someone from the personal ads before...do they usually discuss money over the phone or in the e-mail or do they normally wait until the first meeting? Do they give you any hints that they are looking for money...because she didn't give me any. I understand about LE but I would also think if they don't make it known, they may be wasting a lot of their time meeting guys who think they are really just looking for sex and are not providers.

[littleguy]

I think almost certainly there will be at the very least a vague sort of hint from the text of the ad, something along the lines of "generous gentlemen", or "I'm looking into modeling", but definitely something.

I contacted a few for my Florida vacation. Most seemed to be clearly amateurs who are from naive to very aware of the going rates for their services.

Also, a fair number of them in the personals seem to be from out of the way places, not real close to big cities

And, as I believe has been noted previously many of them are simply links or e-mail connections to advertise a pay website of one kind or another.

Good hunting

[HAPPY GUY]

Well, I've submitted my ad for posting. I'll let you know how it goes.

[HAPPY GUY]

I haven't been posting much, as I've been quite busy lately. I wanted to update you (as promised), though, as to how this has been going.

I placed an ad, and received a response (only one, believe it or not). A few days ago I met a nice young woman for drinks. We talked for about an hour or so. She's cute, blonde, sexy, and flirtatious. I think she's a bit older than she claims to be, but so be it.

We have our first official "meeting" planned for a little later in the week.

Again, I'll post an update as warranted.

[fishfry]

HappyGuy -- way to go!!

When I placed a similar ad once I ran it for about six months. I got twenty replies in that time. So it's not a high-volume thing. But if you're looking for high volume, you're not looking for semi-pros. Especially if you are the one who places the ad. Essentiall you are looking to turn somebody out. This takes patience but it's worth it.

Keep up the good work!

[littleguy]

HG,

How did you word your ad ?

Why don't you post a copy.

Maybe I'll try it too.

[HAPPY GUY]

Fishfry, thanks. Again, I'll keep you posted and let you know how this turns out.

Littleguy, the exact wording of my ad is in this thread.

[Carl M]

Seriously, keep tabs of how much you spend on this chick. We can then make a cost comparison as to providers and girlfriends.

[fishfry]

HappyGuy -- Where's your ad running?

I actually tried to place a similar ad myself this week, and the New York Press rejected it. They said that words like "generous" etc. are not allowed in the Variations section. And I double-checked the Women Seeking Men ads, and they are right -- even the women who are asking for money don't mention it in their ad.

[amaxxx]

i've tried responding to some adds on yahoo and nearly all have produced porno ads i believe. But i did get once response from a woman who sounds like she's more pro than semi-pro - her idea of generous was in the very high hundreds - too rich for my blood.

[HAPPY GUY]

Carl, will do. I'll totally keep track of how much I spend. It's still cheaper than a normal provider, though, at least by the rate we agreed upon.

I placed the ad in the Village Voice. I used a fake name, but make sure that if you place one there that you use a real phone number (or at least a fake one that you'll remember) since that's what they'll ask you for when you contact them to get your voicemail box number.

[HAPPY GUY]

Okay, I got another response to my ad. We're meeting for drinks next week. This one seems especially promising for reasons that I will divulge once I meet her. I don't want to jimx anything. Again, I'll update (I still haven't had a chance to meet with the first one, which is why there's been no news on that front).

[LIDAWN]

hi sugar, just eves dropping in on you..
being under the wire tends to get annoying when you miss your friends a lot..
Although ... it seems safer sometimes.. glad to see that a new bunch of girls is moving into play and all the ugly id gone..
my hate mail finally stopped as did the threatening stuff for defending my friends.. thank god..
let me know you are ok sometime and email me..
have a beautiful some all you guys.. i am lurking here and trying hard to keep quiet but i felt the need to blip
in and send a hug
dawn

[nycjohn25]

Dawn, is that why you took a sabbatical? Because you were getting hateful email?

[mowogman]

Happy Guy: So what's the latest ?

Hunter

[HAPPY GUY]

The latest is this: I met a young woman from another country who is simply breaktaking. Gorgeous, fun, intelligent. We've only met once, but had a fantastic time. I'm going to be seeing her again, but she has gone back to her home country to visit for a little while. I'm supposed to call her the week after next to set something up.

Frankly, I think I got lucky here. The first 2 women that I met didn't work out. One simply gave me a bad vibe, and the other went on and on about how I needed to be discreet because her boyfriend was someone famous. We met for a drink, and about 10 minutes into our meeting she said she was feeling guilty and walked out. I suspect she was lying, and was instead something of a minor mental case.

To me, this seems like a lot of work to meet someone interesting. You have to fill out an ad, buy time to check the voicemail, and then hope you'll meet someone cool.

Again, on the last meeting I got lucky, but I don't think I'll try this method anymore. Good luck, though, to anyone who gives it a shot.

[BigBucksNYC]

Well, I've tried both Yahoo Personals and Excite personals for about a month now - both replying to ads and posting a few of my own. And all I really have to show for it is frustration and a cluttered mailbox.

Almost 95% of the women who have ads on both personal sites automatically send you a link to "their" webpage when you send them a reply. Usually they show you a few G pictures of themselves which are obviously pics stolen from somewhere and then on the 4th or 5th page they say "a lot of minors have been contacting me so just verify your age with {any age checking service is used here, such as freepass or adultpass} and then you will receive my contact info and more pics of me on the next page". Of course I have never actually paid for a pass since these seem like obvious scams - they probably get a buck or two for every pass they sell. I am sure one or a few people are running it since 90% of the responses and webpages look the same.

There is one Latina women who advertises on Excite personals but the pictures she puts up are pretty gross and she lists her weight as 150. I didn't go near that.

I also didn't receive one reply to my own personal ad.

From my take on things, it seems as if Yahoo and Excite adult personals have turned into one big scam machine.

Does anyone else have any advice about where else to look online? I am really all about seeing pictures of the women before hand so that is why I only goto people I first can see pics of on the internet.

Hope this info saves a few of you some time :)

[Monk]

It would be kind of amusing if a group of us took out one ad as a sort of "net" to catch semi-pros. We could take turn screening the responses. After a quick phone interview, we could ascertain what she seemed to be looking for and, for example, if it was a young blonde stud she wanted, then the young blonde stud in the group takes one for the team. His job, then, would be to turn her onto the rest of the group.

In other words, we should start pimping ourselves! :)

[thelastone]

Thats sounds so crazy, it might work!

except for the fact that whoever she talks to on the phone, might not be the person she meets, and I think the lady might notice the change in voice.

However, maybe we should put up our own website... like the providers do. Something along the lines of "strong customer base" , "afflulent gentlemen" . "looking for group rates" , etc..

we could take out webspace on msn or homestead or where ever..

last

[skagen]

RICO.....

[jmp]

Originally posted by skagen
RICO.....
Are you suggesting that anyone involved in this discussion board would ever participate in anything that was even remotely illegal?

I'm shocked. Shocked, I say!

[skagen]

JMP: Funny! Its no longer about paying a $50 fine or even getting your ride towed though...

[jmp]

Originally posted by skagen
JMP: Funny! Its no longer about paying a $50 fine or even getting your ride towed though...
I have no idea what you could possibly be talking about. ;)

Oh, I get it, you guys must be nothing but a bunch of jaywalkers...

(Sorry, I'm suffering from a nasty case of DSB. I thought I'd found someone to help me with it, but she had to cancel at the very last minute, so now I'm back where I was earlier.)

[fannyhillusa]

I have really enjoyed this thread. When I was in college I ran a few ads for "sugar daddies" and had great success with it. I did not really have a "fee" then but the gentlemen I met were extreamly generous.

Good luck.

xxxooofanny

[HAPPY GUY]

Fanny, it's too bad that you've retired from that. =+)

Anyway, I finally had a fantastic meeting with the woman in question today. It was quite great, actually. She came over, we talked for a while, and then got down to business. A very friendly, pretty woman with a fantastic body.

As I mentioned, I don't think I'd try this avenue again (too much work for so little success), but I'm glad I checked it out.

Best of luck to anyone who goes this route, and I'll continue to let you know how things progress.

[Monk]

Fannyhillusa -

What did you charge, or how were monetary rewards exchanged?

Happy Guy -

What did you end up paying?

[fannyhillusa]

Originally posted by Monk
Fannyhillusa -

What did you charge, or how were monetary rewards exchanged?

?

I never had a fee. We never discussed a "charge". I have been in dieffernt relationships of this type where the man simply paid my bills and gave me an allowance. When I was in the BDSM lifestyle, my Master did the same and paid my tuition. So it was a real "sugar daddie" role for them. It was never leaving a few hundred on the night stand. Not that there is anything wrong with this...it kind of turns me on...LOL. It is much easier being a "pro" because there are no relationship hassles. Plus I get to meet so many wonderful gents and I love the variety.

xxxooofanny

[pswope]

I've had a better batting average than fishfry in finding invisible semi pros. Whether it's NY Mag,Village Voice,or the NY press,the key is the intial phone conversation(email simply doesn't work). Within 5 minutes,you can tell the nature of the lady.
My most recent find is a beautiful african women,who is model like in appearance. She sees may be 1 guy every week or two and I can actually characterize what I have with her as sex(as opposed to the unilateral pleasure giving that many experienced providers give).
Moreover,once you get beyond the first appointment and a comfort level is established,the sessions morph into dates,where time is no longer a factor.
Now,I like an alienated orgasm as much as the next john,but for those,who rave about so-called GFE's,this is as close to organic sex that you can find in the commercial milieu.

[turboman2002]

http://newyork.craigslist.org/w4m/

Craigslist is a very good, no nonsense, comprehensive "community" site for several US cities. At any rate, I checked out their "personals" section, and found a few interesting "ISO sugardaddies", "sex wanted" ads posted there...

[Ezrlove]

I was surfing AOL and ran across this profile. I would try it but the Sugar Daddy thing is not for me. She looks cute.



http://hometown.aol.com/nyjenny27/



Location: NY
Marital Status: Single
Hobbies: 27year old latina, 5'5 ... Looking for a the ultimate sugar daddy.............
Computers: Please send me your pictures.......... WILL NOT MEET W/O pics
Occupation: INto older , classy men...... 30-45
Personal Quote: i dont speak GREEK

[Bill Furniture]

Hey EZR, I read your post about Jenny, put her on my Buddy List, then wa-la (I spelled it wrong, so sue me!)
I saw her in Romance-Escorts. May be something new to try.

[amaxxx]

i sent a few responses in to ad on the excite.com classified - some to the "adult" ones and some to the regular ones. most just resulted in lots of porn ads, but i did get a response from Bridgette advising me to call her.

I did, and Bridgette said she could show me "a good time" . she was looking for a contribution of 135 for an hour. usually a teacher, no pics exchanged.

I figured what the hell - a few weeks later, made an appointment to see her in her apt. on the upper east side. She was about 35, French, short blonde hair, very petite body - small breasts, thin. Not a gorgeous face by any stretch, but definitely had some sex appeal.

After a shower, she popped in a porn tape we both stripped and gave me a backrub which ended up at her prompting with me on my knees and her giving some pretty amazing bb french lessons and an astounding rim job. i could only last so long like that. but she brought me back for round two with more french and then some multi-positional full monty.

This gal lovvvves to get down. For the price, the action can't really be beat. She is rather talkative, and a bit different from your ave. julie's gal, but has her fine points!

[mij317]

Nice going!

Sounds intriguing. Would it be ok with her to disclose contact info? A semi pro gfe for that price cant be beat!

[Tankcommander]

I'm interested too...
E-mail me...
Tank

[jgd]

I would be interested in contact info too!!

[Geezy Muldoon]

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[Edited by Judge Crater on 07-25-2001 at 05:01 PM]

[freewilly]

While Brigette is very nice and a great value, she is not 35, more like 45+. Definitely not a clock watcher.

[BigBucksNYC]

I'd be interested in that contact info as well. Where was her ad in Excite - in the adult personals or the regular ones? How can I find it?

Thanks for the info! :)

[EarlyRiser]

Count me in for that contact info too, if you could. (Whether she's 35, or 45, she sounds great).

EarlyRiser

(earlyriser_01@lycos.com)

[ew]

Of course info was on JAG months ago, but those guys suuuck!

[littleguy]

Funny, I can't find anything about her on JAG.

And Boy, do we ever.................

[ew]

Bridgette or Silvie under Ind reviews. March and June, I think. The first was posted by "Lucky Man" or something like that.

[Edited by ew on 07-08-2001 at 04:00 PM]

[littleguy]

Oh, Silvie, yes I recall reading about her.

How about this one boys.

excite.com, personals, adult, NY area, ages 30 and up, straight, pics only, newest ads first.

Title "sweet lady in NJ" (Tom's River area)

She seems real enough. Exchanged e-mails. She's pretty open and reasonably priced.

[BigBucksNYC]

I just contact Bridgette but was hoping for a bit more information on her. I searched theeroticreview and ********* as well as this board but didn't find anything on Silvie or Bridgette. Any suggestions on where I can look for reviews?

Thanks :)

Also, if any of you have seen her, please contact me at Xistentialnyc@yahoo.com

I am extremely curious in hearing any and all details

:)

Thanks again for the great lead!

[UPPEREASTSIDE]

http://newyork.craigslist.org/nyc/cas/8569388.html

Anyone else recognize her??
It's pissin me off that I cant put a name or place on her.

[buddyyy]

What ever happened to fishfry?

[skagen]

Originally posted by UPPEREASTSIDE
http://newyork.craigslist.org/nyc/cas/8569388.html

Anyone else recognize her??
It's pissin me off that I cant put a name or place on her.

The properties on the picture yield a tag that reads: http://www.nycaction.com/leah1.jpg

That aint no semi-pro, its an agency.

[Bill Furniture]

Originally posted by buddyyy
What ever happened to fishfry?

I guess he was fried.

[azzure]

For what its worth, the only one I have ever had luck with is YAHOO Personals. Recently responded to 8 ads and am now engaged in a dialogue with the only women that responded. A twenty something Asian women. We are meeting for lunch on Thursday. This was not, and there does not appear to be, many sugar daddy type ads there.

[TC123]

Originally posted by azzure
For what its worth, the only one I have ever had luck with is YAHOO Personals. Recently responded to 8 ads and am now engaged in a dialogue with the only women that responded. A twenty something Asian women. We are meeting for lunch on Thursday. This was not, and there does not appear to be, many sugar daddy type ads there.

Azzure, please let us know how it goes. Rooting for you!!!

[littleguy]

Thought i saw somewhere recently that www.lavalife.com was a place to find some ladies (for free ?)

[drew_park]

There is a website called Adultfriendfinder.com. Covers the nation and then some. I have found numerous ads for women looking for the proverbial "sugar daddy" and/or generous men.

Actually had two dates with one here in Tampa. After exchanging *****s, we agreed to meet in a neutral location for lunch. It was part of her screening process. Before she would agree to any "private and intimate" date she needed to establish rapport and check for bad vibes.

We hit it off pretty well. She was a 30 something Asian woman (Indonesian) and she was looking for a small stable of well-to-do men. In exchange for your $$$ you'd get an attractive woman for dinner and more.

We did have a private date a few weeks later. Unfortunately her skills in bed were not particularly good. Apparently her other friends were single shot fellows. I'm considerably more randy. She was not very enthusiastic about rounds 2 and 3.

There are other women on that site too, but they're escorts in disguise. The same girls from escort webpages advertising differently.

There are some lonely hearts women in there too. But I've yet to find one who isn't a BBW.

Cheers, Drew

[TC123]

Originally posted by azzure
For what its worth, the only one I have ever had luck with is YAHOO Personals. Recently responded to 8 ads and am now engaged in a dialogue with the only women that responded. A twenty something Asian women. We are meeting for lunch on Thursday. This was not, and there does not appear to be, many sugar daddy type ads there.

Azzure, how did this go? Was she semi-pro? Any progress?

Inquiring (read: sad and desperate) minds want to know.

[azzure]

Hmm . . . thanks for asking. So far so good. Not a pro, semi or otherwise.

[TC123]

Originally posted by azzure
Hmm . . . thanks for asking. So far so good. Not a pro, semi or otherwise.

Then I'm happy and sad for you.

Just kidding - best of luck!!!