Streetwalkers, past and present

[Tankcommander]

Back in the 80's, there were three classes of streetwalkers, the professional who walked around in lingerie, the addict, who were sometimes disgusting, sometimes presentable, but cheap, and the Artist/runaway/student who was cheap, good and somwhat clean.

My first paid experience was with a professional named "Strawberry" on 30th street somewhere near 10th avenue. I was 16 at the time and had a little red Honda scooter much like those the chinese guys deliver food on. She solicited me while I was riding by, and I accepted...but then I regress.

The professionals usually had the best technique. Extremely strong suchtion and excellent rythm. They could make you bust a nut in 3 minutes flat. It's also damn embarassing to let anyone see you picking one up.

The addicts are a different story. Sometimes the service is excellent, sometimes it was horrible. It really depends upon what substance the girl is on. Cocaine is good. Usually, the girl had energy. Heroine is bad. It's annoying to have a girl nod off while your johnson is in her mouth. It's difficult to get your mouth out of there, and push her out of your car. It's also a little disconcerting to think about what would happen if her first reaction to waking up is to clamp her jaws shut. No, After having too many of them nod off on me, I stopped patronizing this category altogether. Due to the high risk in this group, I always kept things covered, but got an HIV test anyway. (btw the test came back negative...hoorah) I've stayed away ever since.
Anyway, I have had all of them, and I generally kept everything covered.

The best I have had were the Artist/Runaway/Student. Back then, there were a lot of artists and runaways, and some students living or squatting in the area near Thompson Square park. They were mostly in their 20's, but I did see quite a few in their teens. When their allowance didn't quite make it, or when money got tight, they went to the street. They didn't go to the hardcore streetwalker area, they stayed near Thompson Square park. They usually charged very little, only what they needed for that night. They also usually liked sex as much as you did. There were several times when I paid for a BJ, and ended up at her place or mine for an entire night of sex, for only 20 or 40 more. You also had a very good chance of catching a freaky girlfriend in this pool. I even had one live with me for a month before her mother convinced her to move back to Illinois. That was one helluva fuckfest. In this category, there wasn't any heavy drug use. Mostly pot or hash, which didn't bother me much. To my chagrin, however, I did see one girl whom I sorta fell in love with fall into heroin use, but again, I regress.

[Edited by Tankcommander on 03-19-2001 at 10:25 PM]

[RoosterC74]

Tankcommander,

I remember those days all to well. The late 1970's and early 1980's were one hell of a time. The whole sceen in the NY Area was just outstanding.

[Carl M]

With the Gestapo now unleashed by Herr Oberfuhrer Guiliani, oh how those things changed- LOL!!!

[guy catelli]

yes, my brother, but see: http://209.164.24.17/newyork/posts/21536.html

[thevenerablebede]

interesting post mr. catelli. a problem we face with guiliani/decency commision era is that the next mayor will be saddled with the expectations of maintaining the "order" that rudy has established. i don't see a drastic rollback to pre-guiliani standards. it would be political suicide for a candidate to say, "when i'm mayor billy's will once again be topless..." of course, if a candidate said that i'd vote for him (or her). any loosening of "standards" will be gradual.

[Tankcommander]

Is that all those that went into hiding, will re-emerge once the new mayor has taken office. Canadian girls who used to come to New York on "holiday" will once again come back. The new powers that be will either come down hard on them, or simply look the other way. The crackdown may not come in immediately as a new administration has a million things to take care of, with greater urgency, than a few girls walking the street.

[Carl M]

Tank you think the Dark Ages will end?

[Tankcommander]

Every era of victorian prudishness is followed by an era of lax liberalism. It may not happen overnight, but it will happen. What we will notice is that there is a lot of fluctuation in enforcement. The next police contract dispute that takes place will see a lot of activity on all ends as the police "show" the community what will happen. When the new administration takes over, the mayor and the police, as well as members of the community, and those who participate in illegal activity will test each other and it will be in this timeframe where everythign will be available again. However, you must be careful as to what you can or cannot do as this is a transitional period where each group will try to guage how far then can press the other groups.

[Ozzy]

rudy's almost gone.....

[Ozzy]

but think........did you really want the other guys.




:cool:

[jester]

I don't want to turn this into a political discussion, and I know I'm going to get flak for this, but:

Rudy may be a lot of things, not all of them good, but the crime rate in NYC is the lowest it's been in 20 years.
You can't have it both ways. Yes, there were incidents that should not have happened in a civilized society, but who says we live in a civilized society? Every single cop on the street wears a bullet-proof vest. Is that normal for a civilized society? When the drug dealers carry uzi's and tec-9's, the cops are going to be nervous. They are under-paid, under-trained, and when they do their job, the "citizens" get on their case. One cop who chased an armed drug dealer through a school playground with his gun drawn was disciplined and suspended. He did everything "by the book", pointing the gun down at all times and avoiding the children, yet the parents complained! These same parents said nothing at all about the fact that armed drug dealers were dealing at the playground! Is this the sign of a civilized society?

(BTW, the drug dealer was caught, booked, ordered to appear for a hearing, and then released. Does the judge actually expect this guy to show up for his hearing?)

I just re-read what I wrote, and I apologise for the rant. I am not in any way comparing our hobby, or the ladies and men involved, with the events I just related. Nor am I condoning any of the incidents. IMO, any cop who breaks the law should be punished 10 times worse than a civilian. I just had a discussion with a close relative who's a cop, and he was bitching about certain things, which put me in a bad mood. I'll end it here.

My prediction is that the next mayor will rein the police back and the crime rate will go up again.


Jester

[Slinky Bender]

As long as we're up for a little politiacl commentary, I'll stick in my own $.02.

Folks aren't happy with Clinton, 'cause he didn't give us the good economy. Folks aren't happy with Rudy cause he didn't give us low crime. Although at least the former recogninsed that "It's the economy, stupid" and the latter realised that the "broken window syndrome" exists, crime is down because the economy is good, and the city's coffers have more to offer in the way of increased services because of huge revenue increases from Wall Street, Dot Coms, etc.

We tend to give credit to those in power when these type of things happen, but we are where we are as the result of an extremely long road we have travelled. Hell, just over a year ago everyone was talking of the "New Economy" which was no longer cyclical, and we wouldn't end up with a boom followed by a recession this time.

Sure.

Now, I voted for Rudy, because I thought he was better than the alternatives, but I'm not going to give him "credit" for not running the city into the ground while he's had so much more discretionary $ for his budget than anyone else for the last several decades. And if you take a look at the city's infrastrucure, he's done so much less than some guys who went before him and had so much less $ to do it, I think we will be paying the price for it for a long time to come.

[Carl M]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tankcommander
[B]Every era of victorian prudishness is followed by an era of lax liberalism. It may not happen overnight, but it will happen. What we will notice is that there is a lot of fluctuation in enforcement. The next police contract dispute that takes place will see a lot of activity on all ends as the police "show" the community what will happen. When the new administration takes over, the mayor and the police, as well as members of the community, and those who participate in illegal activity will test each other and it will be in this timeframe where everythign will be available again. However, you must be careful as to what you can or cannot do as this is a transitional period where each group will try to guage how far then can press the other groups.

Excellent synopsis my M1-A Brother!!

[Tankcommander]

When are we gonna go cruising the streets?

[robnotbob]

HBO last night 11PM had a "documentary" about hookers and pimps..showed cops setting up busts, street girls talking about why they do what they do. I think it's about 2 or 3 years old, but still very telling.

In one scene a guy was cruising the streets on foot and the girls walked away from him because he didnt have a car. he finally convinced one of them to give him head for 30 bucks and then all the way for 50. So she's bent over the hood of a car and the condom breaks and she starts to panic.

That's risky.

[Slinky Bender]

I think that one was the "first" in that HBO "series", and is actually more like 7 or 8 yers old. I think they did 3 or 4 shows over a 4 year period.

[hot4chicks]

Who remembers 58th Street & 6ht Avenue, when literally 50 girls hung around? Those were the days...

[Tankcommander]

That area served the "high class" clientelle. Some of those girls worked high class hotel lounges like the Plaza and would sport designer gowns, dresses and fur coats. Back then, when the average blowjob was 20, they were getting 50 or 60. when the average blowjob went up to 40, they were asking 70 or 80. With the advent of the internet and prominence in agencies, coupled with the legal crackdown, the High Class streetwalker is extinct.

[Slinky Bender]

I remember the first time I heard one quote me $60. I was shocked - $60 ???????? Didn't she know the going rate was $20 ????? Of course, I simply drove down to 11th Ave. Thoses were the days. There must have been over 500 women strolling the streets of NYC on any given nite. Now, most of the strolls are totally dead, with maybe 2 or 3 women out, and 0 most of the time.

Let's see, where were the active strolls ?

11th and 12th Street, between 2nd and 3rd Aves. Still some action, but mostly late. Always "plain clothes", a lot of part timers and drugiies looking for enough to fix

Park Ave in the 20's. Still a little action, mostly from girls cruising in cars. Was always mostly pros, many in "battle gear" ( i.e. some form of obvious garb, like lingerie ).

83rd? St between ?1st and 2nd?. similar to 12th St.

Allen to Eldridge, Rivington to Houston. Almost exclusively H-addicts, some once were reall lookers, some extremely scary. Even more scary what some were willing to do for a few $. Most unusualy experince: found a girl who rimmed me while giving deep throat ( balls and all ).

14th Street & 9th Ave. Almost exclusively Chix with Dicks.

24th thru 30th, 11th to 12 Aves. nothing doing now, but once was a true supermarket of activity. From packs of girls working for the same pimp, to women just trying to get cabfare back to the Bronx after leaving after hours clubs.

12th Ave and 37th, 38th, 43rd, 44th at various different times. Same as above.

46th and 45th between 9th and 10th. Always more sedate than the two previous locations, and still some activity.

I'm tired, more later ( please feel free to add what I've left off, like 3rd Ave in Bklyn, Prince Street in Queens, LIC, Hunts point, etc ).

[hot4chicks]

Tank- Those chicks are still in the Oak Room and stroll CPS and 58th & 6th down to 54th or so. Some are fairly hot.

The going rate for an hour is $300 - a bit higher if they meet you at the Oak Room and think you're staying at the Plaza.

Considering the cruising chicks of 28th get $150-200 for boinking in a SUV, that isnt too bad. Of course, boinking in an SUV reminds me of being high school, so YMMV.

h4c, spending too much money at the oak Room lately

[guy catelli]

back in the 70's, there was a 'daytime stroll' on the east side of third ave, btwn St. Marx Plays and E9th -- across the street from Cooper Union.

the girls used a hotel on the SE corner of St. Marx. it's now been erzatz-gentrified as "The St. Mark's Hotel". but, back then it was called The Valencia (it had been The Sagamore before then.)

The Valencia was a classic of its kind. they didn't repair the occasional bullet hole in a door or wall for two reasons. first, it was a subtle reminder of the importance of maintaining one's decorum. two, it made for convenient 'peeping', which was considered a harmless and playful pastime.

The rooms with a queen size bed and always-fresh (if slightly tattered) sheets were on the first floor, and rented by the hour. however, i would skip these and take my date up to my room, thus saving 20 cents on the deal.

all in all, an ideal place to live.

[jester]

In the late 80's you used to be able to pick up a girl just off the Queensboro bridge. I can't remember the exact streets, but it was a quick left off the upper level exit ramp, and then cruise around the area. It was always dark, very rarely any cops, and it was possible to find some good looking girls (if my memory isn't totally shot). I had my first experience with a streetwalker there. I drove by that area late one night last fall, just out of curiosity. As far as I could tell, they've "cleaned up" the neighborhood.

Jester

[SkellyChamp]

there used to be a time it could take you 40 minutes to make the right turn off of Park Avenue South and go down 32nd Street to Park Avenue.

[Slinky Bender]

Ah, 32nd Street.............

Those who have heard this story before will have to bear with me. When I was 17, my first hobby experience was on 32nd Street between Park and Lex ( yes, I'm sure it was during the time Skellychamp speaks of ). I was going to a party of some HS buddy in the area. I was walking down 32nd Street and the girls were all over the place. There was a service entrance to an office building where there was some activity going on, so I turned to look. There must have been 6 guys lined up against the wall, all getting blowjobs. The clunking sound my jaw made as it hit the pavement must have been loud enough to get someone's attention, because before I knew it, a girl grabbed my hand and said "you're next, honey". She dragged me inside the area, pushed me up against the wall, and said "that'll be $20, sweetie".

It's been downhill ever since.

[Tankcommander]

Now, if we can get the providers to tell what their "first" was like....

[Slinky Bender]

jester,
There have usually been two separate LIC city strolls ( off the 59th Street Bridge ). One to the North, and one to the South. The Northern one is usually called "the smokestacks", because of the three ConEd smokestacks which are so prominent to the area. In the early 80's, this was the "low rent" end ( hahaha, the Southern stroll was low rent also, but it's all rellative ).

There was a time about 7 years ago, just after the crackdown started in earnest on Manhattan, that a bunch of the girls who used to cruise the 20's started to cruise the South stroll, but it didn't last too long, as this stroll got squashed shortly after. At one time ( early 80's ? ) there were some striking Latinas who were regulars there.

[Tankcommander]

Afterwards, if it was good,
get a cellphone or beeper number...
It helps for the next time.

[hot4chicks]

Who remembers when Lex from 45th to 43rd used to be a stroll, from maybe 11.30AM till 3PM? Its was in the 70s.....there used to be a cheap hotel at 45th and Lex above the Burger King, next to a 2nd floor barber shop.

Cost was $25 for a bj, $35 FS

[jester]

Slinky,

It was the southern stroll, and I seem to remember a big taxi garage there. $20 for a bj, and I vaguely remember one fs session, but I was absolutely polluted and I don't remember the cost (or the outcome). I just have this vague recollection of lying across my front bench seat, and looking up at this really foxy (or so I thought at the time) latina.

I never knew about the northern stroll.


Jester

[jester]

My first ever sight of streetwalkers was soon after I started working the night shift in Manhattan in 1986. One night, around 1 am, I was driving a co-worker to the bus terminal, when I saw all these cars lining up, with ladies in lingerie talking to them through the windows. I, being the curious sort, got in line. Then this rather large, very scantily dressed (I think she had on a g-string and bra) walked up to the car, leaned in the window, and said "y'all want your dicks sucked?".

It totally floored me, but I still grin to this day when I think about it.


PS, she was really rather large, and shouldn't have been wearing a g-string. :)

PPS, no I didn't take her up on the offer.


Jester

[Slinky Bender]

Jester,
I'm fairly sure the Taxi Garage you remember is on 44th Ave between 10th and 11th St. That was a big time stroll in the late 80's. Prior to that, most of the action was a little further East ( right off the turn-off to the right of the lower roadway - on the blocks 1 to 2 blocks South of Queens Plaza/the bridge ).

[Whoop]

Crap, it sounds like I really missed the glory days of NYC! What used to be a seedy fantasyland of cheap lovers is now this lame-ass, gentrified "New York Land" with a goddamn Starbucks on every corner. Does anyone know of other places existing in the world NOW that sport the filth of the 1970's?

[HAPPY GUY]

Pereferably in Manhattan? Call me a snob, but I hate traveling to the boroughs if I can avoid it.

[NYCBoy]

Used to cruise all the spots in the 80's. I was a teenage techie in those days, and often got beeped to work at 245 Park at some obscene hour. From about 11pm til ?, the street was packed with hookers. Would ask them to move so that I could park my car. A few blocks north and east there was a gay pedophile cruise. Not my thing and still bizarre to me. Live on the Upper East Side now and go to sleep early, but still see the occasional pocket of chicks a couple times a year in the weirdest places. Only once and then never again. In front of the Post Office on 85th street. 3rd ave and 75th. The city is so much nicer these days it's unreal. I miss the action a little, but not the homeless, the squeegee guys, or the boys going down to 40 deuce to get paid.