OK, so you asked for it....

[Slinky Bender]

and now you've got it. What should we call high end ? Over $350 ?

[jras]

Do multiple hour sessions count?

[Bill Furniture]

I'd say more than $350 per hour, which is more than I've ever paid.

[Ozzy]

this is one place where we won't have to worry about the riff-raff.



500 and over is high end. but i'd settle for 350 and up.

[SkellyChamp]

Agree with Ozzy $500 would probably be my qualification - but I would go $400/hr and up.

[paulus]

How do you figure in providers who do a minimum of 2 hr for say a total of $550? Most of the johns can get off two shots during the first hr and nothing more, but then what do you do the second hr? Play cards? Watch TV? Get a $250 back rub? Of course there are the true courtesans who can spell-bind you easily for 2 hr with a magic mix of erotic conversation and great sex - but they are the exception.

[JohnJ]

I think $500 and over is the mark.

[luvdaty]

Originally posted by paulus
How do you figure in providers who do a minimum of 2 hr for say a total of $550? Most of the johns can get off two shots during the first hr and nothing more, but then what do you do the second hr? Play cards? Watch TV? Get a $250 back rub? Of course there are the true courtesans who can spell-bind you easily for 2 hr with a magic mix of erotic conversation and great sex - but they are the exception.

I'm lucky if I ever get 2 shots off in 3 hours! Let alone 1 hour?
All I know is that I've been with a few great providers for
2-3 hour sessions when the time just seems to have flown
away. Conversation - a little - usually during the cuddling at the end of the session. The rest of the time - much DFK, DATY, and
BBBJ then the main event. I usually can hold off until the last 15-30 min before I pop!

My Pricing guide:

High end price = 350+/hour (done it)
Insane end price = 600+/hour (done it, call me crazy)
Blow my brains out price = 1000+/hour (I'm still alive - no?)

Most I've ever spent on a session was 1500 (plus 200 tip); and that was for an exciting overnight with a great lady.

[SkellyChamp]

Originally posted by paulus
How do you figure in providers who do a minimum of 2 hr for say a total of $550? Most of the johns can get off two shots during the first hr and nothing more, but then what do you do the second hr? Play cards? Watch TV? Get a $250 back rub? Of course there are the true courtesans who can spell-bind you easily for 2 hr with a magic mix of erotic conversation and great sex - but they are the exception.


I wouldn't call that high end.

[Aristotle]

High-end is more than $1000 -- but that's pointless here.

Why not say "high-end" means $500 per hour -- with no upcharges for either repeat performances or specific acts (which is, after all, the defining trait of "the low-end")?

(Too many street girls with computers charge $350.)

[Ozzy]

Originally posted by Aristotle
High-end is more than $1000 -- but that's pointless here.

Why not say "high-end" means $500 per hour -- with no upcharges for either repeat performances or specific acts (which is, after all, the defining trait of "the low-end")?

(Too many street girls with computers charge $350.)

ditto

ditto

(ditto)



PS.... on second thought, lets keep it at $500/hr and if you haven't been with a $500/hr girl you should abstain from posting on this board. this board wasn't created so the bottom feeders can come here and tell us how nuts we are or tell us what high end is.

[robnotbob]

what if you've been with a 500/hr girl (traveling price) when her home base price was 300???

what if you were with a 500/hr girl who was only "worth" 300??

Etc etc...

[Aristotle]

rnb --

For it to make sense, $500 would need to be her base (home) price.

And saying someone wasn't worth it -- and someone cheaper would be -- takes us back to the problem that a separate thread or section is meant to solve, doesn't it?

[SkellyChamp]

Originally posted by robnotbob
what if you've been with a 500/hr girl (traveling price) when her home base price was 300???

what if you were with a 500/hr girl who was only "worth" 300??

Etc etc...


To make it easier if you pay $500/hr for a single woman session you call that high end.

The lower worth value is part of the reason for The High End Room.

[Slinky Bender]

"PS.... on second thought, lets keep it at $500/hr and if you haven't been with a $500/hr girl you should abstain from posting on this board. this board wasn't created so the bottom feeders can come here and tell us how nuts we are or tell us what high end is."

Whatever the number is, I should have made this clear: this section is [b]NOT[/i] going to be for guys to jump in on discussions of higher priced escort and say "no one is worth that". Such comments will be deleted.

"what if you were with a 500/hr girl who was only "worth" 300?? "

ditto Skelly

As far as "what if she's $500 for 2, 3 4 hours" well, if you "allow" that, then patty is high end if you take her for a few days...... no matter what the "number" is, it's for an hour. $500 for 2 hours isn't "high end".

[Ozzy]

Originally posted by robnotbob
what if you've been with a 500/hr girl (traveling price) when her home base price was 300???

what if you were with a 500/hr girl who was only "worth" 300??

Etc etc...


definitely ditto that...



one thing that crossed my mind is what i'll refer to as the janelle factor... a girl who is normally in the 500-1000 dollar range but for some reason (perhaps booking outside her agency...ala J) is available for something under the $500 bar. i'm willing to except that (as a high end bargain) but not the other way around as rnb posted.

[luvdaty]

What about a lady who charges 500/hr but offers big discount on multiple hours?

I know a very attractive provider who charges 500/hour;
but you can have her for 2 hours for 750 and 4 hours for 1000.

http://www.audreyswebsite.com/


Luvdaty

[justme]

Not that this board will be of any pragmatic value to me, but... are you talking New York Dollars? because I'm willing to bet that what constitutes 'high end' varies by geography

[Bill Furniture]

What about a girl like Dakota who charges about $1000 per session but can be seen at Julie's for $250? Would she be brought up on this board only when you paid the higher fee?

[luvdaty]

Originally posted by justme
Not that this board will be of any pragmatic value to me, but... are you talking New York Dollars? because I'm willing to bet that what constitutes 'high end' varies by geography

From my travel experiences (also based on common factors like hotel room prices, restaurants, etc.) I've seen a lot of similarities among some of the larger metropolitan areas. For example, I tend to think New York and Boston (and San Francisco) are in the same league. So a $500 lady in NYC is also a $500 in the other cities.

I recently met a provider (not high end type) visiting from Houston. Here in NJ she was getting $250/hr back home she told me she charges 150 for 1st hour and $75 for each additional hour.
So a high end girl in Houston area would start at 250-300/hr?

[justme]

So a high end girl in Houston area would start at 250-300/hr?

You know, it occurs to me that I have no idea what the high end goes for down here, or even where to find it. Maybe I should look into it?

[Ozzy]

Originally posted by Bill Furniture
What about a girl like Dakota who charges about $1000 per session but can be seen at Julie's for $250? Would she be brought up on this board only when you paid the higher fee?


NO!

dakota is a $250 /hr girl. if she were able to charge $1000 she'd be doing it and getting it...(so she doesn't charge $1000 any where no matter what julie tells you). she obviously doesn't deliver the goods and thats why she's only $250. let this be the last time julies is mentioned on this board.


and girls rate don't vary that much from city to city..... a girl who gets 300 in houston probably gets 350-400 in nyc. it's very rare that you see someone double their rates from the smallest town to NYC.

500 is the mark regardess of location.

[Slinky Bender]

"What about a lady who charges 500/hr but offers big discount on multiple hours?"

Well, to some extent that's what we're talking about ( i.e. "what qualifies?" ), but my opinion is that once someone is 'over the bar' for the first hour, then they are "in" regardless of what discounts are offered after that. For example, if someone only offered 12 hours dates ( and I mean "for real" not some BS where they said that on some website, but IRL were giing out $20 BJ's behind the 7-11 ) for $1,500, then I'd say that's in also, even though the division would show an hourly rate of $125.

"What about a girl like Dakota who charges about $1000 per session but can be seen at Julie's for $250? "

I think it's fairly clear that Dakota's offering at Julie's is not "high end", so perhaps that's a poor example. I'd also be curious how much work she did that was "high end". Although I do think that discussions of "alleged high end girls which actually work for much less at mainstream places" would be fair game.

===========

In actuality, I think it's fairly easy to tell if someone falls into this category, regardless of what number you're looking at, if you just think about it a little ( hell, one way to know is "Has this person been talked about at all on the board, and if at all, has anyone said 'no one is worth that price' ", and then use that as a guideline).

[Ozzy]

Originally posted by slinkybender
[BAlthough I do think that discussions of "alleged high end girls which actually work for much less at mainstream places" would be fair game. [/B]


no problem with that...but you just can't say i saw this girl at so and so and she was 250 but told me she charges $$$$$ or she should charge $$$$$... if she's not over the bar on a website or ad and no one has seen her over the bar.....than she's below the bar..... like dakota.

[SkellyChamp]

1. Just like anything else you would expect to get multiple hour discounts or reduced rates. So, if the one hour session for one lady is $500 that is the high end regardless of the fact that multiple hour rates take it below that number because that SHOULD be the case.

2. In my view if a lady charges over $500/hour in one place but under $500 in another locale (julie's)(sorry Oz) then she is NOT a $500 lady because she can be had by anyone for less than the high end.

3. I also don't think that Ozzy's "Janelle factor" falls within the parameters of a high end lady for the same reason as 2 above UNLESS that is a short term fixed term exception.

4. I agree that there are some variations between NYC, SF, LA, CHI prices and other locales (Houston, Dallas, maybe even Miami). So, I'd say that you could argue the cut-off should be $500 in the 4 cities above and reduce it to no less than $400 in cities outside those 4. Clearly, in my mind anything less than $400 in any city is not high-end FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS AREA OF THE BOARD.

[Slinky Bender]

"500 is the mark regardess of location"

The reason why I would argue about that is that then you'd have a "gap" between the "regular" postings and the "high end". While I agree with Aristotle that the real high end doesn't even start till you hit $1,000 ( well, the real high end is more like $25,000 weekends ), i think for the puroposes of discussion we have to call high end anything over what usually gets discussed as "regular". Since that number appears to be $300, I wouldn't want to have a group of girls which didn't belong in either place. For example, Lara Nicols, who charges ( I think ) $400. everyone who I know who has seen her has given a reasonably good "review", but she doesn't get discussed much on the boards, and my guess is if someone brought her up in a 'regular' discussion, she'd get the usual "no one is worth $400" treatment. As a result, I wouldn't want to preclude discussion of her and those like her from this section.

[justme]

SB - You've got a typo up there (I'm sure it wasn't a math error)

What's the chance that anyone stumbling onto this board in a few months is going to bother with reading this discussion? Formalizing a definition seems at best an excersize in frusteration. Still, I think most people 'know' what the high end is and will post accordingly. Also, I'm sure there'll be self policing of the board so that a defacto standard is obtained.

[paulus]

With regard to regional variations in price for providers I have found the old rule to be quite accurate, i.e. in any given location the cost per hr of a quality lawyer is about the same as a quality prostitute. Coincidence?

[Ozzy]

the thing about the janelle factor was that originally she was only supposed to be only temporally available as an indie (and thus half her normal 800 rate) due to a car accident and some minor bruises that prevented her from working for her agency and her normal fee. now that she's fully independent and still charging under the 500 level.... thus she's under the bar and not applicable to this thread.

[mydesign]

Why are we even trying to set a floor for this board?

We've got providers discussed in the cheap thrills board who charge the average rate (i'm assuming $$-to-$$$ is still the average). Yet we dont then thrash a poster for mentioning her, or opening up a discussion on her merits.

High End may also mean the $300 provider who is considered by some hobbiest to be classier than the average $1000 provider.

I say we leave the board open to discussion like all and let the chips land as they may, it will make our APM's life easier and it can be amended or revised later.

[Ozzy]

MD...

because every time someone wants to post that he saw a 600 girl, some knuckle head will tell him he's nuts and that 3 sessions with domino is better.

the thing is that guys who spend top dollar for pussy don't begrudge the guys who spend 100. we already know from other thread that the guys who spend 100 or 200 will fight tooth and nail to make a point that no-one is worth more than they're paying simply because they fear that posting about a high end girl will drive up the prices in the lower market. well this thread says thats too fucking bad.

[Kym]

Services provided? I'm not talking about getting to have more than one cup of coffee, because in my experience, higher paying clients are really not interested in that. I have found to my great enjoyment, most of these guys love the experience as a whole ( dinner, dancing, going to the theater, quiet time ect...) So I am wondering if High End also means that the lady provides more variances in the over all experience. My example may be, that I have studied the tea ceremony, so I can provide something a little different if you are interested in traditional asian culture. Another girl may provide a custom made video for you of your experience. And of course the Porn actresses and models, who never did escorting out in the open before ( cause they would get black listed by their movie companies) are now very visible thanks to Exotica 2000 and Body Miracle. So I guess my question for you is, does a high end girl have special qualities, talents or interests that you may not find with other providers?
Love Kym xoxoxox

[mydesign]

Ozzy -

Not the same as what I was talking about. I am all for banning, or at least frowning on, any comments from knuckleheads who say "could have gotten the same from jane doe for 1/3 the price....." what I'm talking about is

(1) why everyone is taxing their brains trying to put a "floor" on the prices (i.e., cost) of providers who can be reviewed here in this board., when no reciprocal "ceiling" is placed in the cheap thrills area?

(2) why is the only definition of "High End" defined in relation to Price only? The definition should also include classyness, types of services and the "experience" provided.


Kym-

I agree, a higher class of services provided should also be discussed on this board, not just the providers who are high cost in-house types.

[luvdaty]

Originally posted by Kym
Services provided? I'm not talking about getting to have more than one cup of coffee, because in my experience, higher paying clients are really not interested in that. I have found to my great enjoyment, most of these guys love the experience as a whole ( dinner, dancing, going to the theater, quiet time ect...) So I am wondering if High End also means that the lady provides more variances in the over all experience. My example may be, that I have studied the tea ceremony, so I can provide something a little different if you are interested in traditional asian culture. Another girl may provide a custom made video for you of your experience. And of course the Porn actresses and models, who never did escorting out in the open before ( cause they would get black listed by their movie companies) are now very visible thanks to Exotica 2000 and Body Miracle. So I guess my question for you is, does a high end girl have special qualities, talents or interests that you may not find with other providers?
Love Kym xoxoxox

IMHO
The phrase "high-end" goes way beyond the woman's physical beauty and her physical expertise. I don't book long term sessions (4+ hour; overnights) with a provider solely on these two attributes. I like to enjoy a "total woman". These ladies do provide something extra beyond # cups, etc. Yes, that can include a fine dinner with good conversation, perhaps a bath together, a massage together, etc. Sometimes there can be a woman who charges less than our proposed "cut-off" ($500/hr) but she is so good as a "total date" that it is hard not to see her for LESS THAN an overnight session - for me she would be a "high end" lady.But that's just my personal definition.

For this thread I think we are trying to be more objective. I'm sure there are many ladies that charge much >$500/hr who can also provide the above; those are the ones we're looking to identify as 'high end."
Just my 2 cents.

Luvdaty

p.s. I prefer coffee, but in your case I definitely would make an exception!!!
:-)

[Ozzy]

md...

the problem with #2 is that some people here think domino IS a classy experience. thus the need to draw a line on price. thats why 500 is a good line, cause it's LOW for high end yet allows girls who thrive at that rate to be included here. i know several girls in the 400 range who are classy and smart and who can be taken to any restuarant or affair but a line needs to be drawn somewhere.

[SkellyChamp]

I think the whole idea was simply to deal with and separate high end as a function of price and not as a function of service. Obviously, there will be some discussion that X who charges $600 does not provide the level of service the poster desired or expected. The same could and is posted elsewhere for woman who charge less. This simply high end as a function of price.

[popeye]

Some people here sure like to make things more complicated than necessary. Some of you gents just have a preternatural disposition for antagonism. I bet for some of you, if you were left by yourself, you would have cause to find something to argue about with yourself. This comment was born out of frustration at reading this thread.

This is simple. Create a price point (a set bench mark), keep it as a constant, and discuss the variability of services provide by each provider for said benchmark. If you like sex and tea for that price then you know who does it. If dinner and a great conversation are given for a specific price so be it. Hey this is the same concept currently used in the reviews you see about anything. It is not rocket science. Besides some of you have already stated the obvious and I wonder why this discussion continues.

As a matter of fact the review of Beatriz is indicative of what I am referring to. Here is a lady, who on an hourly rate basis (highly suggested as the benchmark), and from a review seemed to offer a very average experience with a very attractive woman. My personal opinion is for her price point I would like her to suck the stone out of a cherry. This I compare with some reviews I’ve seen about Anne Malle, the porn star. Who is double Beatriz’s price, but whose reviews make me think that I might use bonus money to see her some day. Based on reviews, she apparently rocks you like you will never ever be rocked in your life. To me she sounds like a ride in a Ferrari.

Nuff Said

Pop

Please get it together…..

[Ozzy]

Anne Malle, Ryan Conner, JR Carrington and Taylor St Claire are all porn stars who have great track records. the latter two of which i can personally vouch for.

a few i've had great recomendations from reliable sources include....

Sky, Nicci Sterling, Leanna Foxxx and Jenna Jameson. the last of which will run you a minimum of 10G for a 4 hr date.

[popeye]

Originally posted by Ozzy
Anne Malle, Ryan Conner, JR Carrington and Taylor St Claire are all porn stars who have great track records. the latter two of which i can personally vouch for.

a few i've had great recomendations from reliable sources include....

Sky, Nicci Sterling, Leanna Foxxx and Jenna Jameson. the last of which will run you a minimum of 10G for a 4 hr date.

Okay...let the information exchange commence....

So my next question would be: for the caliber of woman, type of service, etc... who is a bargain within this price point range? For this price range are any of the providers at the lower range able to equal or surpass other model type providers in this price bracket.

Oz, in your case I know you liked the skinny Brazillian girls a great deal- did they match up with the porn stars? Could the Brazillian girls be the poor man's surrogate porn star. I hear great things about OET's Shannon. Heck for her price she seems a bargain compared to the Ryan O'Conner's of the world for a similar service ( I am not into greek)- thanx OET for the info.

Nuff Said....

Pop

[mydesign]

Originally posted by Ozzy
md...

the problem with #2 is that some people here think domino IS a classy experience. thus the need to draw a line on price. thats why 500 is a good line, cause it's LOW for high end yet allows girls who thrive at that rate to be included here. i know several girls in the 400 range who are classy and smart and who can be taken to any restuarant or affair but a line needs to be drawn somewhere.

Ozzy,

I see your point, I withdraw my suggestion from the floor. On to new business.

[Ozzy]

popeye....


who said i like anything skinny? i like my brazilians but the ones i like aren't what i'd call skinny.....unless J-lo is considered skinny. back to you question... these porn stars are more PSE than most of the brazilians or mosdt of the other popular girls on the boards. most of the girls don't do greek or swallow (or even spit) as 1eye pointed out about ryan conner, and the others i listed with her pretty much supply the same services. now i don't know if all those services are available with the second batch i listed (nicci, sky jenna), just that i've heard very good things about them as well.



but.... i've had better rides with $200 brazilians and an argetinian girl i met at a quickie joint off roosevelt and later at wylies in jackson hts where she danced. hooked up with her a few times at 200-300 for the night after she got off work. would go to one of the airport motels from 4am till 10am-noon.


look...anything over the 500 or 600 mark is pretty much the same (ie shannon) as whats at 1000 as far as looks go (service always varies at any price).... the extra 400 is what i like to call "for the head" (that's the big head)...... if you know what i mean.

[popeye]

Ozz,

Excuse my presumptions, but I based the skinny comment on a recommendation you made a while back to the poster who was seeking waif-like providers. You made some recommendations, which made me presume you had similar tastes. I guess I was wrong. J-lo is definitely not on the skinny waif side of a woman’s physique. As a matter of fact although I like the Mrs. C type for an Escort, I tend to date the J-lo types. Go figure…. I guess I saw the movie the Graduate one too many times.

Thanks for the response and I do stand corrected.

Regards

POP

[Ozzy]

no problem popeye....


most of the brazilians from team brazil were very waif like (giselle, adriana and luana), only gabriela was on the J-Lo side of the scale. although there was this other brazilian whom i just posted about in the niki thread on this board who is somewhat on the J-Lo side as well........ Caterina (http://www.ny-exotics.com/ads/ebr2/escat525br-2.htm).

[mydesign]

Originally posted by Ozzy


but.... i've had better rides with $200 brazilians and an argetinian girl i met at a quickie joint off roosevelt and later at wylies in jackson hts where she danced. hooked up with her a few times at 200-300 for the night after she got off work. would go to one of the airport motels from 4am till 10am-noon.



Ozzy,

please don't tell me you broke your own rule about comparisons with the lo-end.

[Ozzy]

not quite the same...


i didn't get that great ride at the quickie joint, it was when i later hooked up with her a few months later (when she was dancing) that i got the great rides. i never said great times with good looking girls couldn't be found at the low end (you can find them anywhere).... it's just that they're few and far between. the argument that has been posed is that on a whole, there is no difference between low and high end, when that just isn't the case.

i've mentioned this arentinian dancer several times on jag as a great example of what could be found at the low end (like finding a treasure at a garage sale).... they are definitely out there but they are rare, and that dancer is one of the very few great ones i've found at the low end..... and i've done more than my share of slumming in my day.

[justlooking]

I don't see "the rule" as being you can't compare particular so-called "high end" prostitutes whom you've seen to particular so-called "low-end" prostitutes whom you've seen. Or even that you can't say about a so-called "high-end" prostitute whom you've seen, "you can do better for much less."

As I understand it, what you can't do is butt in and comment, without having seen the woman in question, "Nobody can be worth $XXX." That's the kind of shit I take it this board was created to avoid.

[Slinky Bender]

I have to agree with that. For example, if we were talking about "Jane Jacobs", and someone had seen both her and "Paula Pickett" ( yes, actually seen both of them ) and said "I've seen both, and they look like identical twins, talk like identical twins, and fuck like identical twins; but Paula is only $250", I can't imagine we'd want to ban such discusssion.

[justlooking]

Or even, "I can't really justify having paid $600 to see Jane Jacobs when I had a much better time with Louise Mumford for $250 a week earlier."

The problem arises (to make sure this dead horse is fully beaten) when someone who's never seen Jane Jacobs feels the need to pipe in and say, "She can't possibly be worth $600, when I've had good times at Julie's/April's/Episode/My Bathroom for so much less."

[capitan]

After reading the comments suggested so far in this thread, it
seems to me that placing a dollar mark on high end is a very difficult thing to do with any consistancy.

I would suggest that most of this has to do with one's "relative
view" of just what is worth what. Oh man... I've really opened up
a can of worms.

But that is my point...it is all relative...and hence, cannot be
absolutely defined or described.

This even applies to a given provider and client. A client may "rate" a girl on a given day as worth $500 or more for an hour,
but at a latter time...days or weeks...that same client may feel
that the provider described, isn't worth the $500 as stated before.

This seems to be the nature of the human mind...a very complicated and almost endless issue. The sexual conquest and
satisfaction of the human mind is almost infinite. And I think, that
because of this, the idea of placing a "dollar value" on service and
or physical appearance, is just not in any real sense, something
that can be done with any concrete definition.

Where do we draw the line in the sand? $400, $500, $1000...
it's all relative to how deep our pockets are, and our needs at the time.

[justlooking]

The problem people are having here, I think, is that they're taking the title "high end" as some kind of qualitative judgment (i.e., that this is supposed to be a board to discuss prostitutes who are really good, or really worth it, or something). As I understand it, that's not the point at all. The point is only to discuss prostitutes who are more expensive than those discussed on the other boards here -- without (here's that dead horse rearing its bloodied head again) having the discussions derailed by constant complaints that the prices are too high as a matter of principle.

So "relative value", "how you feel this week as opposed to last week", "whether she's worth it", all that stuff, are irrelevant as benchmarks for whether a particular prostitute is appropriate for discussion on this board. (They're all relevant to individual reviews -- the whole point of the board would be to discuss which so-called "high end" prostitutes are worth their fees.) As others have already said, the benchmark for discussion here should be a simple dollar amount.

(Maybe slinkybender shouldn't have called this board "The High End Room". Maybe everybody would have gotten it better if he had just called it "Expensive Thrills".)

[Slinky Bender]

Or maybe I should have hung a velvet rope outside and based on how expensive the shoes are of those who wish to enter simply said "sorry....private party".

But, just for clarity's sake, the true point of this section of UG is "to discuss prostitutes who are more expensive than those discussed on the other boards here -- without having the discussions derailed by constant complaints that the prices are too high as a matter of principle".

[Ozzy]

Originally posted by slinkybender
Or maybe I should have hung a velvet rope outside and based on how expensive the shoes are of those who wish to enter simply said "sorry....private party".

who are you? .................. magic johnson

[JohnJ]

:)

[mydesign]

Originally posted by justlooking
The problem arises (to make sure this dead horse is fully beaten) when someone who's never seen Jane Jacobs feels the need to pipe in and say, "She can't possibly be worth $600, when I've had good times at Julie's/April's/Episode/My Bathroom for so much less."

How much does your bathroom charge? how many cups? Does it offer bbbj? bbfs? greek? What's the number and website?

[SkellyChamp]

It's amazing that this discussion has gotten to 53 okay now 54 posts.

There is nothing relative as to the parameters of what is seeking to be set here. "High end" is simply a matter of price per hour charged, not relative worth. Relative worth will be discussed but vis a vis the woman who charges that line in the sand, bottom line magic dollar figure.

[capitan]

Gentlemen,

Let me emphatically state, that it is ALL MIND CONTROL.

It ALL depends on what YOU want and when YOU want it...who cares what some one else likes. Your spending YOUR dollars to
satisfy YOU, or get YOU off. But always remember...your desires are a product of your brain. This basic concept somehow seems to evade many. The bottom line is this: it's ALL IN YOUR HEAD.

That's why it's so RELATIVE. Everyone's brain/mind, has different and unique desires. What turns YOU on, may be entirely different
from what turns someone else on.

So the concept of placing a dollar value on provider performance
and/or physical appearance, is ENTIRELY MENTAL. And this is very subjective from client to client. It simply is: WHAT YOU WANT WHEN YOU WANT IT. And this will change within the SAME client with the passage of time.

As I said in my opening remarks, the human mind/brain, is in TOTAL control of our actions...sexual or otherwise. Everything we have ever done or experienced, or will do, or experience, is
directed and dictated by our mind/brain.

When it comes to sexual drive and/or desire, this is absoutely true. The mind/brain is the final dictator of what will be required
for you to be "satisfied". The body and sexual organs only go along for the ride. It may be a fantasic ride...but the brain always needs to be satisfied in the final end. The human brain/mind, is, what I will call, a device or mechanism, that is infinitely complicated.

Many books and volumes have been written about this. But the
BOTTOM LINE is this: your sexual cravings and satisfaction, can ONLY be satisfied, when you brain/mind is satisfied.

[justlooking]

THAT'S ALL VERY NICE.

BUT IT HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH THE SUBJECT OF SETTING THE PARAMETERS OF THIS BOARD.

(UNLESS YOU'RE SAYING I CAN USE "MIND CONTROL" TO GET AGENCIES TO CHANGE THEIR FEES.)

[justlooking]

Or, if on the other hand all you're saying is that reviews are worthless, that's a valid viewpoint -- but I don't see what it has to do with this discussion.

[SkellyChamp]

Originally posted by justlooking
THAT'S ALL VERY NICE.

BUT IT HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH THE SUBJECT OF SETTING THE PARAMETERS OF THIS BOARD.

(UNLESS YOU'RE SAYING I CAN USE "MIND CONTROL" TO GET AGENCIES TO CHANGE THEIR FEES.)

Shouting JL - Can't say I blame you. Difficult to talk at cross purposes.

[Geezy Muldoon]

(Judge Crater now levitating some thirty odd high priced agency girls naked kicking and screaming out of the bathroom windows of their Manhattan apartments before the 7 pm shift starts. Pulling some of them, in fact, right off their toilet seats sans makeup. Making them hurdle through the air flying end over end with tampon strings trailing behind them to an empty conference room in my skyscraper. In their disoriented state, I will fuck each and every one of them for free and fly them back through Times Square at about 10 tonight. With any luck, I might even come more than twice. (Sniff.))

[Slinky Bender]

Originally posted by SkellyChamp


Shouting JL - Can't say I blame you. Difficult to talk at cross purposes.

Good thing he doesn't know HTML.......:rolleyes:

[justlooking]

I'm just not as good a person as you are, SkellyChamp.

[capitan]

Justlooking,

I'm quite sure that your'e missing my point. What I'm saying is
that it is very difficult, if not impossible to set ABSOLUTE parameters, or guidelines for a providers rating, simply because
it is so very subjective based on what our brain/ mind desires at THE TIME.

I wouldn't say that the reviews are in fact "worthless". What we
have to look for is a common denominator in the reviews in
reference to a given provider. This really gets defined under a topic called "statistics", which I will not get involved with here at
this time.

Again, I will say to you, and all who care to read this...it is a very
difficult, if not impossibe mission, to declare what is a "dollar value" for a given provider. It's RELATIVE to what your MIND wants at the time. That, being a given, money transferred for a
1 hour session could range from $250 to over $2000 or more,
and could be a trip into paridise, or an exercise in futulity.

[justlooking]

But in fact it's QUITE EASY to set parameters on who is going to be discussed on a board devoted to the so-called "high end".

All you have to do is set a price cut-off and say that anything at or above that price will be defined as "high end" for purposes of board discussion.

All the problems you point to will then come into play when reviews come in, and people try to start determining whether particular service providers give good value. But those are all problems that any review board has. They're not unique to this one. And I have to say, I think that most non-brain-dead readers understand them.

[capitan]

Judge,

If you need an assistant or director of operations...let me know.

Capy

[capitan]

Justlooking,

I absolutely disagree with your last comment and reasoning.

Don't take offense to my remarks...this is what makes a good
debate.

My whole point is that the "board discussion" whatever that is,
will be solely reliant upon information that is totally relative to the reviewer at the time he or she submitted the review.

Again, I state, that this is "TOTALLY RELATIVE" to whatever our
mind declares AT THAT TIME.

[justlooking]

No offense, Capitan, but I am completely unable to understand the point you are making relative to this discussion.

What are you saying in relation to the question of what (or which prostitutes) is the proper subject of discussion on this board?

I'm not being obnoxious (not purposely obnoxious, anyway). I really don't get your point.

[justlooking]

But please bear this in mind when you respond:

The Administrator of this board has confirmed that his intent in establishing this board was not to discuss prostitutes of a certain quality, but rather prostitutes of a certain price.

What I am having trouble understanding (and the fault is probably mine) is what your point is, given that purpose.

(Frankly -- and I hope you'll correct me if I'm wrong, which I may be, because honestly I'm clueless about what you're really saying -- it sounds a little to me like what you're doing is making the proscribed "nobody can be worth $600" argument, using different words. I hope that isn't the case, because that's exactly what isn't supposed to be happening here.)

[justlooking]

OK, one more point.

The virtue of the "price base line" approach is that it isolates the ONE component of all this that isn't "totally relative" to the reviewer. Because $350 is $350, no matter how the reviewer feels that day. That's the benefit of "bright line" tests. They may be overly blunt. But they're a cinch to apply.

[SkellyChamp]

Originally posted by justlooking
I'm just not as good a person as you are, SkellyChamp.

I'm sure that that is absolutely not true.

And re: Capitan you are not the one missing the point. You and I (and I believe Ozzy, Slinky, Ari, etc.) are on the same wavelength. I agree with absolutely everything you said in all your above posts (except, of course, that you're missing the point because you are not).

In reading all of the posts I don't know how we can make it any clearer is that the only women that are going to be discussed here are those women that charge over $500? for a single one hour session. Period end of story. If someone wants to say that a woman he saw who charges over that amount is not worth it then that is fair game for the section. But not that a woman he saw who charged him $250 was worth $500 for him at that time. That belongs elsewhere.

[justlooking]

I hate to get into a disagreement with you, SkellyChamp, but I have to say I'm persuaded by Slinkybender's argument for making the floor price $350 or $400 rather than $500.

I think it's true that there are a lot of service providers at that price point who don't get discussed much on the "regular" boards here -- and when they do, the discussions run aground on the usual "you could do two sessions at Julie's for that" objection.

So as much as it pains me to call anything that's $400 "high end", I think it's consistent with the purpose of this so-called "high end" board for them to be included in the discussion here.

(Unless Slinkybender wants to start a new board devoted to "The Middle Middle Class" . . . .)

[Slinky Bender]

"(Unless Slinkybender wants to start a new board devoted to "The Middle Middle Class" . . . .)"

As I've said before, I'm willing to open up a new section to discuus just about anything within the "general parameters" of our "topic". If at some point there is enough discussion, I will split of the "middle end" from teh "true high end". I just hink that for now the invisible subtitle for this section will be "everything that's above the fat part on the bell bell curve".

[SkellyChamp]

Originally posted by justlooking
I hate to get into a disagreement with you, SkellyChamp,

Hmmmmmmmmmmm, Have to think about what to make of that. But we have no disagreement. You will notice a ? after the $500 in my post which reflects the underdetermined price point. We certainly agree that we don't agree with Capitan in that we are merely setting a price point cut off and that Capitan's mind relatively doesn't factor at all into that.

While I certainly agree that $350/$400 is not under any definition high end you are right that there is a large segment of that price woman that doesn't get discussed. I just think $500 is a more magical and logical number since we are just picking a number. The 350/400 can still be discussed elsewhere. But to the extent that the responses to those who see such a priced woman have had and may have a chilling effect on the discussion then by all means the figure should be lowered here. So I don't have a problem with either lower number but if not $500 would lean towards $400 (tho I still think $500 is more appropriate).

[justlooking]

FWIW (and this is getting pretty psychotic), I'd vote for $400 as the "so-called 'high end'" floor rate.

[capitan]

Once again, I have to say that ALL of this is relative to each and
every one of us.

Now if we simply want to set a price point...line in the sand... on
high end, we have to establish how we will declare that value.

If we were to study 5000 prostitutes in the USA in the year of
2002, and find that the mathematical mean for the price charged
for 1 hour of fun is $250, than that figure would represent the
peak of the bell curve. If the curve is truely symmetrical, then we
could reasonably state that $500 or more would be "high end".
Note that the information contained in THIS paragraph, has NOTHING to do with relativity. There is nothing wrong with setting a high end price point using this very simple system.

If this is what most of the UG readers/reviewers are satissfied with, then I say fine.

Except for me, and I suspect for most of us, it goes much deeper than that.

Another important factor, which I think I mentioned before somewhere, is how deep are YOUR pockets? Obviously, high end will be somewhat similar for most working people, but totally different from an individual who is worth a million of more.

Case in point...where do we declare high end in the auto industry? Fords and Chevys are the bread and butter of this, and
the Bentleys and Ferraris are at the very top end. But where do
you draw the...line in the sand...here.

All I'm trying to say, is that it's not as simple as it sounds.

[justlooking]

Look. We're just trying to establish a parameter to make discussion on this board possible.

Nobody thinks that $400 or $500 is really the "high end". We've all agreed, the real "high end" probably starts somewhere more like $10,000 an hour or $25,000 for a weekend. We're just working at establishing a convention for purposes of discussion here, so we know what's in and what's out.

It doesn't have to be right for every individual reader. It doesn't even have to be right for any individual reader. (As I said already, as far as I'm concerned, $400 or $500 is way too low.) It just has to be something that's clear and certain.

Given the purpose of this board, I think slinkybender got it exactly right: it should be an approximation of the price at which, on the "regular" UG boards, people start complaining that the price is too high as a matter of principle, irrespective of the merits of the particular service provider. I'd say that's about $400, which is why I argue for that as the cut-off.

[capitan]

I forgot to mention in my prvious post that "high end" will vary from one geographic location to another. This was mentioned by
...Justme...in one of his previous posts on this subject.

So, just doing the math, high end in the New York metro area, may suggest a figure of $500 or more for one hour. But in "Goose creek hollow" in Kentucky, high end may be only $200.

So what we have here folks, is different bell curves for different parts of the country for any given year. I'm still trying to keep this
simple or fundamental, but as you can see, it's getting a little more complicated already. And I'm sure that there are other factors that will enter this picture, as this thread continues.

[justlooking]

It would only matter if someone posted about a $200 session on the UG "Goose Creek Hollow, KY" board, and then got lambasted for paying that much when everybody knows you can have your cousin for only $75. Unless and until that happens, I think we can assume that $400 is sufficiently low that anything beneath it is not likely to impede discussion on the "regular" boards (which, I keep repeating, is the purpose of this board).

Remember, "high end" is not an accolade. It's only a category.

[capitan]

Justlooking,

Your'e right it's not an accolade, but it is a category...but based on
WHAT? We have to establish a stable standard or base to work
from...this is a very slippery subject...and one that is not easily defined. We must somehow as UG members, agree to a standard
that will be agreeable to most of us...otherwise the "line in the sand" will be constantly shifting forever.

[justlooking]

You've just proved my point.

In order to keep "the line in the sand" from constantly shifting forever, all we have to do is establish a stable standard and stick with it-- even though it may be fairly arbitrary and completely acceptable to no one.

All this talk is nothing but useless prattle.

[SkellyChamp]

I give up. Slinky just pick a damn number.

[Thorn]

Originally posted by SkellyChamp
Agree with Ozzy $500 would probably be my qualification - but I would go $400/hr and up.

I would think, from what I have read on the boards, that $400 seems to be the demarcation line.

It covers the level of providers not generally covered on the rest of the board. If you make it $500, I think you might find a level of providers, between $400-$500, not discussed in either the general board, or here.

So you have here for $400 and up, and the rest for what's below and everything gets covered.

Just a notion.

[capitan]

Justlooking,

If we pick a number that is arbitrary, and acceptable to no one,
then I have to conclude that the number is worthless or meaningless.

Maybe what should be done is to take an informal survey, as this
thread has suggested at the beginning. But I would suggest that
the area considered be the New York metro area, including New
Jersey and Connecticut as well as Long Island. Also, it should be
for one hour of fun. Maybe that was an original requirement...I
don't know.

So far in this thread, it looks like the figure will be between $400 and $500. It's too early to say, because there have not been nearly enough responses to make the $ amount statistically significant.

[occasionalhobbyist]

Originally posted by Judge Crater
(...Making them hurdle through the air flying end over end with tampon strings trailing behind them to an empty conference room in my skyscraper. ...)

I think you meant hurtle. And, can you hurtle them my way? I'll even give ya ten bucks a pop...

[Geezy Muldoon]

OH:

Used to run track in prep school and I never spell check anything I write. Hence, my error.

Since I am getting them for free through the power of my mind, I will fly them by your office gratis on the return trip to their toilet seats.

[occasionalhobbyist]

Used to get calls at home from copy editors. Am seeking my revenge.

But thanks for your generosity. I love models with their tampon strings hanging out. I promise to write an objective review.

[justme]

Thank god none of you work for IEEE.

[Othello]

I'm a little confused! Are you guys talking about "high end" as in high asses (a collo****l term) or high end as in "price range?"

In the New York metro area, I would consider the high end to be $500 and above. Incidently, I have noticed "creeping inflation" amongst some of the ladies-- and I'm not just talking about breast size!

[imaginess]

I saw one girl out of a rag in LA which I called and was quoted $200. What showed up, was one of the hottest escorts I have ever seen. What transpired was nothing more than a scam. $200 was just for a look. Another $200 which I stupidly dropped was to see her naked and she would barely touch me still. I must say I dropped the extra $$ thinking I would get a bj or at least some manual release from a very attracive provider. Not. At this rate she would definitely be high end in the price range, would have probably had to pay her 1000 to go all the way, but I knew when to quit. It is a shame since she was really attractive.

[Slinky Bender]

I hope she travels with a really big bodyguard.

[imaginess]

Originally posted by slinkybender
I hope she travels with a really big bodyguard.

He was outside when I went to the ATM...Never again without a review or 2

[littleguy]

So where do I go to get Greek in New Jersey (at whatever price point this thread ends up in) ?

Hahahahahahahahahahaha.

[mydesign]

I suggest the line in the sand is drawn at: $400 per hour, not including tips (if any) in any city, state, subdivision, country or continent in the contiguous world.

I make a motion that we end discussion and take a vote. Anyone second this motion?

[justlooking]

SECOND.

(Although I suspect slinkybender would tell you that the real purpose was just to have a discussion, and that now that everybody knows what all the considerations are, we don't HAVE to agree on a line in the sand.)

[Slinky Bender]

Stop channeling me.

[bogusk]

this thread is quite something, but high end is $500 an hour or above

[pswope]

So who was the greatest centerfielder in NY baseball history

Mays,Mantle(pre-injuries),Dimaggio,or Duke Snider?

[Ozzy]

that's not as hard a question for an unbiased non yankee, dodger or giants fan if you just pick all the facts apart......


first lets forget about Snider... he simply wasn't in the same class as the other three. Dimaggio couldn't run/field or steal bases like mantle or mays (not that he was bad, just wasn't among the greats in those depts). mays was a better fielder than mantle, he had a better throwing arm than both and ran better most of his career and stole more bases than both mantle and dimag combined. both M&M also hit for more power than dimag but mantle had the short porch in right field when he hit lefty (which was often since there were few lefty pitchers back then). mays played the most of his career on a far inferior team than mantle and dimaggio who played on the power house yankee teams of the 40's, 50's and early 60's. mays also played the better part of his career in shitty candlestick with the winds swirling or blowing in. granted mantle was injured and played drunk most of his career but that's part of the equation.... mays stayed healthier and played longer. mays also missed two years of his prime in military service (52-53) or he more than likely would have broken the babe's record with ease. and not that it matters as much but mays also had to deal with racism on and off the field in the early part of his career in certain cities. mays saw a lot better pitching in the NL than mantle or dimag saw in the AL at the time (koufax, gibson, spahn, seaver, carlton etc...). mays also was the only one to of the four to reach 3000 hits (the others didn't come close), have a 30-30 season, 600 home runs, 2000 runs scored and almost 2000 runs batted in. the career numbers between mays and the others aren't really close. mays had over 1000 more hits than dimag and almost 900 more than mantle. mays had 100 more home runs than mantle and almost double the HR's of dimaggio. dimag gets the nod on the pussy dept, but he threw it away....so?


AVG RUNS HITS 2B 3B HR RBI
.302 2062 3283 523 140 660 1903 mays

.298 1677 2415 344 72 536 1509 mantle

.325 1390 2214 389 131 361 1537 dimaggio


sorry yankee fans but Mays was best and in MHO...it wasn't that close.

[SkellyChamp]

Ozzy - This is becoming an annoying habit but I agree with you. Mays was the better all around player, tho I think DiMaggio was the better hitter. Don't forget tho that DiMaggio hit righty in Yankee Stadium in the days when Death Valley was Death Valley. DiMaggio, too, missed three full years during WWII when he would have been 28, 29 and 30. Which would have been another 100 HR's (not hand releases) and 400 or so RBI's. I lean towards Mays because of his ability in all facets of the game, Candlestick Park, and his teams were crappier.

[Ozzy]

SC...

true dimaggio had death valley in yankee stadium but his HR totals were still way off from mays and the valley did allow for his high number of doubles and triples. lets also not take too lightly the fact that mays played on the west coast at a time when most teams were east of chicago/st louis and traveling back and forth cross country was a major bitch on the old DC3's.

[SkellyChamp]

we've got no argument Ozzy - I think Mays was all aound better. Mays was a better HR man too, but DiMaggio was a better pure hitter.

[imaginess]

Oh my God!!!
Ozzy is really Bob Costas

[HornDogBuddah]

It's interesting to read and reflect on what has transpired when you drop into an ongoing thread well after it has been around the track a few times. It seems that SB's proposal that a price point (regardless of how subjective or arbitrary it is) be the defining characteristic for inclusion in this thread has achieved acceptance by all concerned. $500 per hour is an objective criterion. We don't all have to agree with it, but we all understand what it is.

I'm very interested in how this thread turns out -- while I have very little experience (nay, zero to be truthful) with $500/hr providers, my avoidance of them has not been because of financial constraints per se. Rather, I have been pretty pleased with my experiences in the $250 - $400 range so that there has been no incentive to set my sights any higher. If this thread provides convincing information that there is a sound correlation between spend ($) and spend (to resurrect an old Frank Harris -- or was it Henry Miller? -- term), I will be unable to resist spending more until my morbid sense of curiosity is satisfied.

[HornDogBuddah]

And, to contribute to the secondary thread, my first reaql fist fight came as a result of a heated argument over who was better -- Mays, Mantle, or Snyder. Growing up in Queens amidst a bunch of Yankee fans, and being a Giants fan who knew the truth (Mays was the best), I was a kid who didn't back down when my best friend at the time threatened to punch me in the nose if I didn't take back my assertion about Mays' superiority. We pushed and shoved, got headlocks on each other, and wrestled ourselves down into the dust behind first base. We each landed a solid, satisfying punch before an adult passerby broke up the fight and made us shake hands. The swelling of my fat lip receded well before his black eye lost its luster, so the neighborhood kids acclaimed me as the winner of The Fight. What a simple and naive time it was! Kids argued and got in each others' faces, without any possibility of weapons getting involved. Road rage hadn't been invented yet. We were all still virgins, in many senses of the word.

[j1rose]

why not call it "higher end" and leave it at that ? IE more that what you cheap bastard usually spend IE 200 -250 275

j.

[gern777]

this is fantastic -

you guys want to start a "high end" room and end up posting for months
just trying to define what "high end" means...???

you guys must work for the government!!

gern

[Slinky Bender]

Six Project Stages

Wild enthusiasm Disillusionment Total confusion Search for the guilty Punishment of the innocent Promotion of the non-participants

[justlooking]

Promotion of the non-participants[/list]

There are too many in this case to promote.

[Cloud Nine]

Kinda sounds like the Hanso Foundation Projects (http://www.thehansofoundation.org/activeproject.html)