safe cruisin'

[its_mousey]

what are the best ways to determine if a street walker is an undercover cop?

usually 'legit' walkers let u cop a feel or give u a quick flash before doing the deed. is it reasonable to assume a girl who doesn't do the above is a cop?

here are some of what i think are giveaways:
1) they look too nice to be hanging around in that area
2) they don't talk like ghetto (they actually talk as if they are educated)
3) merely insists they are not cops and don't assure you by flashing or a feely
4) a tape recorder and wires all over her shirt (duh!)
5) a car tailing you (uh oh...it's either cops or ur about to get jacked, either way ur about to get f***ed)

but seriously, feel free to add or correct this list. thanx

[Goose]

Uniform and a gun would be a dead giveaway

[its_mousey]

....ya think so?!?!?

seriously though, any serious replies?

[SkellyChamp]

If you go this route my advice would be do not discuss anything but invite her to get in you car to discuss the possibilities. A cop will definitely not get in. They lose manueverability and it is too risky and they are taught not to do so under any circumstances. If she refuses just move on. Only method I ever used in the old days.

[justbill]

My MO in the old days was to park and just observe for a while. If she was picked up and dropped back, then she was OK. On the otherhand if she didn't come back to "her"spot in a half hour then I took a pass if I happened to see her again. Worked pretty well for me, never been stopped by LE at all.

[mydesign]

justbill and skelly seem to be coming to the same conclusion in different ways: i.e., cops wont get into your car. they'll talk to you through the window or open the door and talk at you (normally with a purse hovering close to your face so you can talk directly into the hidden mike.)

Street flesh is too dangerous. I would ever do anything like that, but if you was to try to pick up someone on the street.... I hear you should:

1) never talk price until after she gets in the car and shows you her privates on demand.
(note: this don't mean shit since I hear they may bust you anyway and say you did talk price even if you didn't.)

2) have her touch your privates (unzipped and all) before talking price, because she may feel more secure about you and a cop probably wouldn't touch you. (note I said probably).


Note: I think the other probelm you aren't thinking of is even though she aint a cop, what makes you think uniformed LE won't notice your parked car bouncing up and down and bust you and her in the act?

Too risky, I suggest staying with nice clean quiet houses or independents.

[Escort_King]

They will get in your car and lead you to a spot where the bust will occur... though generally they will try to get you on the spot. The whole are you a cop etc is BS they can say anything...
Best approach is to watch and see what is happening.... the cops generally don't hang by themselves for 30+ minutes without communicating with someone... if they appear to be talking to themselves or walk over to the same car and leave occasionally...

[its_mousey]

it is my understanding that unless they plan to bust u on the spot, cops have a predetermined "spot" in which to set u up and pounce on u w/ur pants down.

if this is the case, what about suddenly suggesting to the girl ur own spot? doesn't matter if u really know of a place since the point is a cop posing as a walker won't agree to go to place that's not set up and not have back ups to help her out.

however, i guess even a real street worker might not feel comfortable going w/u to another location than they are used to.

what do u guys think?

and yes, cruisin' might not be the safest route - but hey, it's not only cheap but one of the best times one can have is in a car parked in some corner w/ a girl desperate enough to go down u hard and fast..........

[dollarbill9999]

If you suspect she's a cop, drive around a ~ 2 block radius of where she is. If she is LE, you will usually see a patrol car or a undercover (i.e. chevy caprice) car parked with 2 guys in it. If you see that, take off.

[biggod]

never pickup a street walker with out checking out the area first. sometime a ago with NYC was full of street walkers I would drive around and look one night I was driving around and did see to many girls out. only on one side street their were three girls. as I got stuck in the traffic of cars stopping to talk one came up to me and ask if I wanted a date I pass and kept driving as traffic started moving. As I got to the corner and look down the street I saw two police car parked so I kept drive around and ended up on that same street with the three ladies except this time the cop was handcuffing someone and another cop driving his car so I left the area. The point here is always drive around aleast for 10 min make several rounds

[mydesign]

choose your price to risk ratio:

streetwalkers = lower price + higher risk of arrest

houses = higher price + lower risk of arrest

[un4given]

tinted front side windows are a dead giveaway for a undercover car.

[biggod]

Originally posted by un4given
tinted front side windows are a dead giveaway for a undercover car.


Or a pimp

[RoosterC74]

I believe Mydesign-has hit the nail right on the head. Be very, very careful with Streetwalkers-the arrest ratio-tends to go up very, very significantly as compared to houses or independents.

[iusedtobeone1]

I got arrested once for this and the only advice is to watch her. Let her go with someone first......Sure it will take some time but beleive me, sitting in a jail cell waiting for someone to post your bail is a fate much worse......

[mydesign]

IMHO, streetwalkers are for the younger crowd, who have more time, less cash, and less to lose than older, more established hobbiests...especially married hobbiests.

Some men may find a thrill factor in cruising and picking up a stranger off the street. But each time you do so, no matter the precautions, it may be big trouble. Most hobbiests I know prefer a little more peace of mind in going to an establishment that is behind closed doors, where they can relax.

iusedtobe,
watching a provider take off with someone and coming back is no guarentee. she may still be a cop that led the john to a trap, had him arrested, had the car impounded, then had her partner drive her back in the same car to set up for the next unsuspecting soul.


Here's a list of Pros and Cons that I see:

Pro's vs. inhouse
1) Tend to cost less
2) get to select and view the provider before proceeding.

Cons vs inhouse
1) provider may be trannie
2) provider may be cop
3) cops may interupt, even though provider not a cop
4) no way of knowing what kind of weapons provider is carrying for protection
5) in public and may be the subject of an upcoming newscast or hbo special.

...Am I missing any?

[its_mousey]

it is without a doubt that it's riskier to go out cruising comapred to going to an establishment (which also has its own risks). however, asides from being cheaper, many find the the sense of urgency and the thrill of the "hunt" (tracking down a streetwalker and dodging LEs and other hazards fo the street) that is so appealing.


furthermore, i believe one can't neatly categorize hobbyists between cruisers (young and less cash) and house callers (mature and more financially secure). we all know this isn't always the case since i'm sure you guys have seen old guys cruising in their mercedes trying to pick up some young crack whore or young guys visiting in-calls.

by the way, that also doesn't count the countless of hobbyists who fall in between (eg. guys into occasional gay sex w/trannies off the street).

it takes all kinds i suppose.

[mydesign]

Years ago I was driving to work at 6:00am and was behind a mercedes with "MD" plates (as in doctor not maryland). I got caught at the light, but I saw the mercedes pull up to a sw past the intersection and she got into the car.

"How nice," I thought, "nice of him to give her a lift to the STD clinic."

[nycguy1967]

Originally posted by mydesign
Years ago I was driving to work at 6:00am and was behind a mercedes with "MD" plates (as in doctor not maryland). I got caught at the light, but I saw the mercedes pull up to a sw past the intersection and she got into the car.

"How nice," I thought, "nice of him to give her a lift to the STD clinic."

You a funny guy!!

[rookiexy]

Incall or indi's are just as prone to get STD's. Be careful. We're all in this together.

[rookiexy]

has anyone noticed an increase in action now that it is warm out?

[daro]

Sense of urgency and the thrill of the hunt and capturing the prey.
People go fishing at a lake. They catch the fish, clean it, cook it
and eat it. Then they say it was the best fish they ever ate.
Who you kidding? Better than a 4 star restaurant's fish.
It's just the fact that you caught your own meal. Same with
stalking a deer. A couple of Friday's ago I left a poker game
at 5 am. Had to have it then. Hadn't been to street action in ny
since last summer. Went into the city, called a working girl I met
the last time I was there in a deli at 6 am getting a bacon and
egg sandwich. As soon as she heard my voice and name she
knew exactly who I was and type and color of car.
These girls have some memory. Plus if your good to them,
they are always looking out for your car to drive by. They will
flag you down faster than the bucket and squeggie guy.
They have the same sense of urgency and thrill of the hunt
as we do. Only for monetary reasons. If interested her name
is China. Half Chinese/Half Cambodian. Hangs around 27th
and Park/Lex. White van. Her girlfriend is the black girl in the
purple van that I've read about here. Hope this helps someone.
Daro

[mydesign]

Originally posted by daro
Sense of urgency and the thrill of the hunt and capturing the prey.
People go fishing at a lake. They catch the fish, clean it, cook it
and eat it. Then they say it was the best fish they ever ate.
Who you kidding? Better than a 4 star restaurant's fish.
It's just the fact that you caught your own meal. Same with
stalking a deer. A couple of Friday's ago I left a poker game
at 5 am. Had to have it then.


That analogy would probably work better with picking up a hot chick in a local bar.

Better analogy for your experience would be going to the pet store and picking out the tropical fish U brought home.

[daro]

Mydesign,
After re-reading it, I tend to agree with you. It wasn't one
of my better one's. I should have said at 5 am the only pet
shop open is the streets. Even though she was Chinese,
I don't think she came from under the ocean. She didn't taste
fishy. But the way she was bobbing up and down, she
probably can swim a mean butterfly. I'll work on my analogies.
I need a good proof reader. My, you want the job?
daro

[mydesign]

daro,

frist i knead to lurn how to spel