No condom? No problem? (!?)

[puffin]

So i am reading yet another thread where a client is offered bbfs by a girl he doesn't know more than ten minutes. So I'm wondering what motivates a girl to offer this? Are they dumb and they think "he looks healthy"? Is it the promise if a tip? The desire for shared anxiety? False intimacy? It happened to me, but I knew her for a few months and I think she just felt "who cares anyhow?" (i have no such excuse).

Opinions?

[paperpusher]

1)Wishful thinking (I am not going to get it today) (I don't want to think about the consequences).
2)He is married, so he must be safe
3) Truly not understanding how STDs are transmitted. (Alcohol cures all diseases,etc)
4) Intuitive leaps of faith. (He is a good guy)
5) We connect. (Sometimes these women after a few sessions think we are soul mates)
6) A gamble on a connection that this will lead to a commitment. (I actually had one ask me to divorce my wife and marry her)
7) Seduction can temporarily suspend rational decision making. (We guys know this all too well)
8) Pressured in to it and not knowing how to get out of a situation.
9) off the boat and not the custom where she provided.

I have BB but only with four women in 25 years, including one now that has a husband and has more to lose than me if she is sleeping around. We have have done it 26 times. But even with that in mind, I have/had sent in highly skilled people to test the waters (the old Reagan proverb, "trust but verify").

[Scott68]

I was offered this on more occasions than I care to remember, it wasn't an offering really, it was expected. I will say that it was available from Chinese women in general without hesitation. I don't understand the lack of knowledge about STDs. Most of the time the provider was a little surprised when while both of us being very worked up and seconds from insertion, I request a cover.

I never used the services of a streetwalker, but from what I've read about the activities, they seem to be more careful. I've never discussed with any of these women why they don't grab for a condom when the time comes, I really don't expect my input would change their thinking, as much as I'd like it to.

We all have theories about why it is offered or why women don't protect themselves, but input regarding other groups besides Chinese women would be appreciated as I know Genius and PP are predominantly Chinese chasers.

[paperpusher]

I was offered this on more occasions than I care to remember, it wasn't an offering really, it was expected. I will say that it was available from Chinese women in general without hesitation. I don't understand the lack of knowledge about STDs. Most of the time the provider was a little surprised when while both of us being very worked up and seconds from insertion, I request a cover.

I never used the services of a streetwalker, but from what I've read about the activities, they seem to be more careful. I've never discussed with any of these women why they don't grab for a condom when the time comes, I really don't expect my input would change their thinking, as much as I'd like it to.

We all have theories about why it is offered or why women don't protect themselves, but input regarding other groups besides Chinese women would be appreciated as I know Genius and PP are predominantly Chinese chasers.

These are not theories Scott. You know I am not subtle and I ask them point blank "why are you doing this?" Those are the answers they gave me.

I would love to diversify in to other cultures. But in my experience, the Koreans are very hard core (even the ones on the BP) and tough to get them off their scripts. Usually a mediocre experience. I have no idea why there are not more LMPs for similiar price structures. They quicky places on the cheap, BP providers that are reasonably priced but not much in the way of LMPs. Greater than 99% of providers from agencies or BP are NOT going to perform BB FS and is a rare event by the numbers. But the availability as you said are 100 times greater in Chinese AMPs, so that is where the greatest number of encounters are going to happen (with some Korean over the hill women thrown in the mix).

The general population has a certain % of mentally ill people and providers most likely have a greater % of them than the general population. These people are not going make decisions that make sense to us. Add in drugg addicts and desparate people and you are going to have BB services available.

[puffin]

One sex partner I know was explicit in stating that it feels no better for her, so I don't think the sensation is a big reason for the girl.

[Scott68]

These are not theories Scott. You know I am not subtle and I ask them point blank "why are you doing this?" Those are the answers they gave me.

I would love to diversify in to other cultures. But in my experience, the Koreans are very hard core (even the ones on the BP) and tough to get them off their scripts. Usually a mediocre experience. I have no idea why there are not more LMPs for similiar price structures. They quicky places on the cheap, BP providers that are reasonably priced but not much in the way of LMPs. Greater than 99% of providers from agencies or BP are NOT going to perform BB FS and is a rare event by the numbers. But the availability as you said are 100 times greater in Chinese AMPs, so that is where the greatest number of encounters are going to happen (with some Korean over the hill women thrown in the mix).

The general population has a certain % of mentally ill people and providers most likely have a greater % of them than the general population. These people are not going make decisions that make sense to us. Add in drugg addicts and desparate people and you are going to have BB services available.

I really don't have theories, but I do know as a fact that Chinese women are much more likely to perform a session bb whether they are conscious of extending what some guys may see as "special" service just for them, or they only use condoms on guys they question. I don't consider myself "special", but they do judge a book by its cover.

I'll tell you one thing, I've requested to come in their mouth, on their face and they comply. They have requested I come or shoot inside and I never comply, I've had girls/ladies want to take the rubber off to reinsert and that was a big, "no fucking way".

I always wondered how many men have gone bb and i really hope it's not as high as I presume it may be. I'm speaking in general about a specific segment of Chinese fast house setups.

[Waterclone]

One sex partner I know was explicit in stating that it feels no better for her, so I don't think the sensation is a big reason for the girl.

I think this easily goes into the category of "everyone has their own opinion."

Speaking specifically about physical enjoyment and not about hobbying...

Some girls prefer bare, some don't care.

Some guys think CBJ is great. Personally, I can barely feel it and would rather a HJ. But that's just me.

I don't think your friends opinion can be extrapolated to the general population. Ask 10 or 20. It still won't be enough to satisfy the statisticians, but then I'd be more willing to go with the assumption that sensation isn't a big reason for the girl.

[sexpert]

It's all of the above and then some. I've had BBFS offered to me more times than I'd like to remember. At times, when it comes to a non-FS provider that I've (I'd like think) wooed into submission, I almost always go BB. I'm not the only guy who thinks this, somewhere I've interacted with PP and he too feels what I feel. My latest stint with SW's Jessie was the craziest, BBFS up the ass and she actually showed me the shit stained towel to say, "see see?! up the backdoor, no worries!"

Ignorance is fucking rampant when it comes to ALL providers, not just Chinese. Someone said "Koreans" are more hardcore and tend to stick to their lines, NO! If you so back, way back when I first started here, I told a story about a girl named Cherry at 337 Broome Street, it happens with Koreans as well. Koreans tend to have more knowledge, understand that there are STDs out there but again, sometimes emotions or whatnot kicks into gear and throws common sense out the window.

I've had a very ordinary, clean looking Puerto Rican SW named Beth who I picked up for many years on houston and allen offer me BBFS. I knew she had kids, I knew her well and even had her # to pick her up from the projects at times. What possessed her to offer? Fucking, I really don't know. Her girl Gina (black SW same area) also offered BBFS to one of my friends during a hotel powow. Both of these women were clean SW's who had kids and I'm sure never did drugs. Beth would drink a beer on occasion but that was it. While me and my friends used recreational drugs, they didn't even come close to touching the stuff, not even a little weed.

In the late 80's and early 90's there were Malaysian joints that didn't even carry condoms. It was "well known" that Chinese WG's simply didn't carry disease. It wasn't until the Fujianese came in the 90s when herpes became an epidemic in Chinatown (family friend/pharmacist said that herpes drugs went up 20 fold in use), that's when condom use went up amongst the Chinese.

I have a few wealthy friends who hit the high end escorts and they say that condoms are absolutely optional, even today. Sometimes, I wished I never married, and just stayed a playa for the rest of my life, even if I die at 45, but it's programmed into us to "spread the seed", it's not my lack of ethics or morals, it's my instinct to fuck and dump as much cum as possible into as many cunts as possible. Sometimes I hear my single friends picking up bitches from facebook, match.com, plenty of fish, craigslist etc... and end up barebacking most of them. Dangerous? yes, am I envious? Yes as well.

[pawgluvr]

... Sometimes I hear my single friends picking up bitches from facebook, match.com, plenty of fish, craigslist etc... and end up barebacking most of them. Dangerous? yes, am I envious? Yes as well.

I gave this some thought. Not sure if it's my age (late 40s), the Pleasure Plus condoms or what, but somehow I do not feel that BB is something to be missed. Recent sex partners are plenty sexy, and the anxiety of catching something outweighs any extra thrill.

[Mr.Robinson]

It's all of the above and then some. I've had BBFS offered to me more times than I'd like to remember. At times, when it comes to a non-FS provider that I've (I'd like think) wooed into submission, I almost always go BB. I'm not the only guy who thinks this, somewhere I've interacted with PP and he too feels what I feel. My latest stint with SW's Jessie was the craziest, BBFS up the ass and she actually showed me the shit stained towel to say, "see see?! up the backdoor, no worries!"

Ignorance is fucking rampant when it comes to ALL providers, not just Chinese. Someone said "Koreans" are more hardcore and tend to stick to their lines, NO! If you so back, way back when I first started here, I told a story about a girl named Cherry at 337 Broome Street, it happens with Koreans as well. Koreans tend to have more knowledge, understand that there are STDs out there but again, sometimes emotions or whatnot kicks into gear and throws common sense out the window.

I've had a very ordinary, clean looking Puerto Rican SW named Beth who I picked up for many years on houston and allen offer me BBFS. I knew she had kids, I knew her well and even had her # to pick her up from the projects at times. What possessed her to offer? Fucking, I really don't know. Her girl Gina (black SW same area) also offered BBFS to one of my friends during a hotel powow. Both of these women were clean SW's who had kids and I'm sure never did drugs. Beth would drink a beer on occasion but that was it. While me and my friends used recreational drugs, they didn't even come close to touching the stuff, not even a little weed.

In the late 80's and early 90's there were Malaysian joints that didn't even carry condoms. It was "well known" that Chinese WG's simply didn't carry disease. It wasn't until the Fujianese came in the 90s when herpes became an epidemic in Chinatown (family friend/pharmacist said that herpes drugs went up 20 fold in use), that's when condom use went up amongst the Chinese.

I have a few wealthy friends who hit the high end escorts and they say that condoms are absolutely optional, even today. Sometimes, I wished I never married, and just stayed a playa for the rest of my life, even if I die at 45, but it's programmed into us to "spread the seed", it's not my lack of ethics or morals, it's my instinct to fuck and dump as much cum as possible into as many cunts as possible. Sometimes I hear my single friends picking up bitches from facebook, match.com, plenty of fish, craigslist etc... and end up barebacking most of them. Dangerous? yes, am I envious? Yes as well.

I think one major point in why they're might be a spike in providers offering BBFS probably correlates with the lack of sexual education in the schools and general public.

Luckily for me when I was hobbying most of my provider experience has been either with seasoned providers or mature women who were around during the aids epidemic. However the younger I would go, the more BBFS service has been available to me. I never complied with it because honestly I love my dick and I don't want any bumps or blemishes on it. (plus I want to live to fuck another day).

The more educated the provider is on stds the more stricter and safe they were. The ones who offer bbfs are either ignorant of std transmission or to be frank they don't care about their and your own well being, and figured since you are seeking sw sex you probably deserve catching this disease and spread it to your wife, gf or other people.

At the end of the day it's your dick. If you want a puss spewing, bumpy dumpy pickled death cock because you want to rub up against flesh that's fine. It's your dick, but please keep your death cock to yourself and to bbfs girls only.

TY

[sexpert]

@Mr Robinson:

It's not that we want to partake in BBFS, it's that many times it comes with the territory, especially with hard core mongers like me. You think I wasn't scared shitless right after? Waiting 3 weeks before I could take the DNA HIV tests, then waiting another 3 days for results? Then taking another one just in case a month later? I think I spent over 1000 bucks just on those tests alone because it had to be done UTR.

Sometimes you just fall into those situations, and they do happen often, then and now. Hardcore mongers know exactly what I'm saying cuz they been there too

[Poini]

I have a rule of thumb. Only bbfs with porn stars, they get tested as much as me. The only thing im scared of getting is herpes since they don't test for that.

[skudd]

Its not usually "offered" per se, but in the heat of the moment a dick can find its way inside a wet slit.
But i have to say something.. its just as easy to get something in your mouth, tongue eating raw poon as on your cock. There is always that risk. HPV is rampant..

I guarantee you ... WE ALL have this shit in us.. and if you wanna know why women get fibroid's and cervix cancer.. and now men keep reading.

Today HPV is the most common sexually transmitted infection in the U.S. - yet 70 percent of Americans have never heard of it (Jay, 2000; KFF, 2000). Up to 20 million Americans are currently infected with sexually transmitted HPV, and it is estimated that 75 percent of reproductive age women and men have been infected with genital HPV at some point in their lives (Cates, 1999). The highest rates of genital HPV infection are found in adults between the ages of 18 and 28 (Koutsky, 1997). HPV is also prevalent among people with immunosuppressive disorders, such as HIV (Koutsky & Kiviat, 1999). HPV is believed to be widespread across racial groups and to have very little variation in prevalence across regions in the U.S. (CDC, 2000).

Transmission

HPV is transmitted by direct skin-to-skin contact with an infected individual. Transmission is usually from vaginal, oral, or anal sexual contact, and can occur whether or not warts or other symptoms are present (McDermott-Webster, 1999). (NIAID, 2001).



*More than 7,000 new cases of oropharyngeal cancers are diagnosed each year, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Most are in men, and those who don't use tobacco often find another common cause: the human papillomavirus, better known as HPV.

[JusAsexToy4women]

Its not usually "offered" per se, but in the heat of the moment a dick can find its way inside a wet slit.
But i have to say something.. its just as easy to get something in your mouth, tongue eating raw poon as on your cock. There is always that risk. HPV is rampant..

I guarantee you ... WE ALL have this shit in us.. and if you wanna know why women get fibroid's and cervix cancer.. and now men keep reading.

Today HPV is the most common sexually transmitted infection in the U.S. - yet 70 percent of Americans have never heard of it (Jay, 2000; KFF, 2000). Up to 20 million Americans are currently infected with sexually transmitted HPV, and it is estimated that 75 percent of reproductive age women and men have been infected with genital HPV at some point in their lives (Cates, 1999). The highest rates of genital HPV infection are found in adults between the ages of 18 and 28 (Koutsky, 1997). HPV is also prevalent among people with immunosuppressive disorders, such as HIV (Koutsky & Kiviat, 1999). HPV is believed to be widespread across racial groups and to have very little variation in prevalence across regions in the U.S. (CDC, 2000).

Transmission

HPV is transmitted by direct skin-to-skin contact with an infected individual. Transmission is usually from vaginal, oral, or anal sexual contact, and can occur whether or not warts or other symptoms are present (McDermott-Webster, 1999). (NIAID, 2001).



*More than 7,000 new cases of oropharyngeal cancers are diagnosed each year, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Most are in men, and those who don't use tobacco often find another common cause: the human papillomavirus, better known as HPV.

Maybe I did not see or read this carefully but one out of two people have HPV I read somewhere