The biggest revelation learned hobbying?

[puffin]

More specifically, what is or was the most surprising fact or experience that you came across in paying to play?

For me, off the top of my head, it is the realization that professional girls can lurk everywhere and how a woman dresses or acts is no indication as to her level of prudishness. Attorneys, nursing students, architects, writers, classically trained singers who work as cantors at church... all of these professional people I have met who worked evenings between the sheets.

I swear I will never look at women on the subway the same way. It also makes me want to bang them all.

[SirF]

The biggest revelation is that I am a dog, will always be a dog and have always been a dog and that I really need a 12-step program to ween myself off of bitches....

[zarathustra88]

The biggest revelation is that I am a dog, will always be a dog and have always been a dog and that I really need a 12-step program to ween myself off of bitches....

Nature has its own version of a 12 step program-called aging. nothing will be required on your part-only the sweet passage of that great emancipator-Time. the prob you describe will go away little by little with your testosterone. you will remain a dog in your head and heart and soul but your formerly mighty sword (aka DICKtator) will be a shadow of its former self and generally leave you in peace-off your lifetime hook. so unless you are a Hefner or a Berlusconi with status, money and opportunity coming out your ears, your dog-dom will turn into a whimpering little barely salivating little thing occasionally stoked to life (with great effort and diminishing returns) in front of some hopeless little screen like this one...

IOWs some probs take care of themselves...until then...in the immortal words of CS ''PARTY ON"....

[out of control]

Nature has its own version of a 12 step program-called aging. nothing will be required on your part-only the sweet passage of that great emancipator-Time. the prob you describe will go away little by little with your testosterone. you will remain a dog in your head and heart and soul but your formerly mighty sword (aka DICKtator) will be a shadow of its former self and generally leave you in peace-off your lifetime hook. so unless you are a Hefner or a Berlusconi with status, money and opportunity coming out your ears, your dog-dom will turn into a whimpering little barely salivating little thing occasionally stoked to life (with great effort and diminishing returns) in front of some hopeless little screen like this one...

IOWs some probs take care of themselves...until then...in the immortal words of CS ''PARTY ON"....

You underestimate the power of Viagra my friend.

[h4c]

I learned that Korean women, in AMPs, really, really love me.

[puffin]

I learned that Korean women, in AMPs, really, really love me.

And they will, for a long time.

[canthelpit]

I learned that Korean women, in AMPs, really, really love me.

also from them, i learned i have a HUGE dick.

[paperpusher]

How often the supply side monitor these boards (or their surrogates).

[light]

For me, I was shock to see, that most women in the hobby. Did not look the part. In terms of, face or body. I expected more.

[paulbunyon]

also from them, i learned i have a HUGE dick.

Haha good one, YOU too!!!!

[paulbunyon]

More specifically, what is or was the most surprising fact or experience that you came across in paying to play?

For me, off the top of my head, it is the realization that professional girls can lurk everywhere and how a woman dresses or acts is no indication as to her level of prudishness. Attorneys, nursing students, architects, writers, classically trained singers who work as cantors at church... all of these professional people I have met who worked evenings between the sheets.

I swear I will never look at women on the subway the same way. It also makes me want to bang them all.

Yeah I see (or think I see) working women everywhere now, thats the biggest thing thats changed for me. I guess I'm just so jaded now, I used to be so green before I started in the hobby. Im just not sure if thats a good thing or bad thing.

Wow a cantor huh? Thats a first, I'd love to hear that story.

[puffin]

...
Wow a cantor huh? Thats a first, I'd love to hear that story.

I got to know her pretty well. Childhood trauma involving her father. Stuff that nobody wants to talk about. I wasn't too cool about shagging her after I learned about that.

[Axe]

It has helped me a LOT with my sixth-sense that makes an immediate estimate of how long it's going to take before I get into the pants of the civilian women I date. If I'm not coming by Date Number 4, then I must be going. That is, if we get as far as Date Number 4...

Two examples.

Girlie Number 1 is a 31 year old never-been-married admin assisstant. On Date Number 1 my assessment was that it could be the next Ice Age before she and I will have sex. She's a total hottie and part Latina, so I was clearly thinking with the small head when I went on Date Number 2 hoping like a mofo that I was wrong. Well, the total 'total package' (i.e., personality, interaction skills, etc.) only got progressively more eccentric. Then, sometime during Date Number 2 she tells me she owns her own townhome. Good! Then she tells me that she rents it. Good! Fiscally responsible! Then she tells me that she rents it to a family (NO relation to her whatsoever) : mom, dad, and 5 year old Great! Reliable family as tenants! THEN she tells me that they live in the same rooms as her! Without getting into the whole Madonna-Whore thing with Latinas, lets just say..

!Adios y Bueno Suerte!


Girlie Number 2 is another 31 yo, NBM. Initial assessment is that the sex could happen any moment now. By Date Number 4 it becomes very, very clear that we will be locked in Classic Dating Mortal Combat (aka I want sex and she wants commitment!) until the lion lays down with the lamb because that's where we've been in Date Numbers 1 through 3, and she's good, really good at The Game or there wouldnt have been Date Numbers 2 through 4!

Fuck me gently with a chain saw! See ya!

[LISteve]

I guess growing up in an upper middle class neighborhood I was not exposed to drugs that much. Then I start mongering and find that way too many of these girls are messed up on drugs. I had a girl pass out while giving me a CBJ ... had a girl sniffing real bad and saying "I have a cold" ... At least I never had one greet me with a needle hanging out of her arm ... although that could happen any day now!

[garvin_fred]

also from them, i learned i have a HUGE dick.

Me too! I learned I have a huge dick, plus I am very handsome!

[dikipedia]

My greatest revelation is how unaware providers, as well as mongers (including myself) to some extent, are when it comes to STDs.

1. I've had a SW insist on BBJ when I requested CBJ as she honestly felt one can ONLY get STDs through vaginal sex.

2. Many AMP providers think that alcohol spray removes STDs.

Also, I've been amazed to learn that men are willing to pay for bj with saran wrap.

Apparently, women also fake orgasms.

[nychelsea]

My greatest revelation is how unaware providers, as well as mongers (including myself) to some extent, are when it comes to STDs.

1. I've had a SW insist on BBJ when I requested CBJ as she honestly felt one can ONLY get STDs through vaginal sex.

2. Many AMP providers think that alcohol spray removes STDs.

Also, I've been amazed to learn that men are willing to pay for bj with saran wrap.

Apparently, women also fake orgasms.

"Apparently?" Oh, I guess you were kidding,

Enjoy,

Chels

[Axe]

I was very certain this would be a popular thread. What do I know, huh?

Sheeez zarathustra, you not getting enough sunlight lately? I mean, I know Cheeks is closed forever, but there's no need to make the rest of the world depressed too! [jk]

[zarathustra88]

You underestimate the power of Viagra my friend.

I was very certain this would be a popular thread. What do I know, huh?

Sheeez zarathustra, you not getting enough sunlight lately? I mean, I know Cheeks is closed forever, but there's no need to make the rest of the world depressed too! [jk]

other than the fact that o-o-c completely missed the point-that there will be a slow and then abrupt diminution of desire in your life (you will desire less and become less desirable yourself-little by little desire as a ruling principle in your life will become negligible) i was humbled that he called my attention to the most famous drug of the twentieth century. yes, it will provide you with the artificial 'desire' and hydraulics you need to accomplish the task...but it is a far cry from, and almost irrelevant to the general philosophical point of natural law.

and one other dis-advantage of creeping senility (or a function of my refined sensibility) is that the down and dirty cheeks style BJs in dark and time-constrained closets never really were my cup either...loved the ambiance of loose women and stiff dicks in the boondocks and went back enough times to remind myself how little it appealed to me...atmospherics, time, comfort and amenities, and god forbid some small semblance of even dubious feeling have always been my barometers of pleasure...not the fact that i can pay x dollars to pump my seed down the throat of a perfect stranger in a pitch black box in three and a half minutes...but that may just be fussy old me...

btw Axe, i get outdoors quite a lot, and wish to depress no one...nor have i turned into a dried up old prude...still schlep myself into that s**t-hole in levittown on a reg basis...last time i crawled out of their filthy CD 'room' with a roach on my back..good times...

[Axe]

btw Axe, i get outdoors quite a lot, and wish to depress no one...nor have i turned into a dried up old prude...still schlep myself into that s**t-hole in levittown on a reg basis...last time i crawled out of their filthy CD 'room' with a roach on my back..good times...

I hear ya. And I'm sure you meant to use the word 's**t-hole' in the best possible way.

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[jmioffe]

Nature has its own version of a 12 step program-called aging...

Wise words, I am going through that myself, and I'm barely forty -- and look even younger! If you don't mind me asking, how old are you?

I'm wondering if it's just the state that I'm in. The danger of this hobby is the temptation of thinking that finding that right provider will give you keys to the fountain of youth, at least temporarily...

[jmioffe]

For me, I was shock to see, that most women in the hobby. Did not look the part. In terms of, face or body. I expected more.

This too. It's a reason I rarely ever in the States.

[puffin]

This too. It's a reason I rarely ever in the States.

So you don't like that girl next door look? Or are you saying that they girls put insufficient effort into their makeup accessories etc? Certainly I agree that European women often take care where US girls just toss on some jeans. To me beauty is universal, so I don't really play favorites.

[justlooking]

Has nothing to do with the girl-next-door look.

On TV, all prostitutes are gorgeous. IRL, most of them are women you wouldn't sleep with for free.

It makes sense when you think about it. But it's still a disappointment.

[jmioffe]

Has nothing to do with the girl-next-door look.

On TV, all prostitutes are gorgeous. IRL, most of them are women you wouldn't sleep with for free.

Yes, this. From what I've seen, I can do better by just dating.

And that's a value proposition... at the high end of what I can afford, they certainly are stunning -- but if I'm shelling out that much, I will expect much more than eye candy, or else it won't be worth it for me.

I will want brains, personality, common history, a spark... and so that brings me back to civilian life.

[Axe]

Yes, this. From what I've seen, I can do better by just dating.

And that's a value proposition... at the high end of what I can afford, they certainly are stunning -- but if I'm shelling out that much, I will expect much more than eye candy, or else it won't be worth it for me.

I will want brains, personality, common history, a spark... and so that brings me back to civilian life.

So, your biggest revelation about hobbying is that you dont need to do it.

I havent gone full-circle like that just yet.

[canthelpit]

Yes, this. From what I've seen, I can do better by just dating.

And that's a value proposition... at the high end of what I can afford, they certainly are stunning -- but if I'm shelling out that much, I will expect much more than eye candy, or else it won't be worth it for me.

I will want brains, personality, common history, a spark... and so that brings me back to civilian life.

This also begs the question: why are you still reading the board if you've come to that conclusion?

[jmioffe]

Not sure. Could be morbid curiosity. Grass is always greener syndrome. Or keeping my options open.

As I wrote in an earlier post, "The danger of this hobby is the temptation of thinking that finding that right provider will give you keys to the fountain of youth, at least temporarily..."

Everyone wants the fountain of youth.

[puffin]

Not sure. Could be morbid curiosity. Grass is always greener syndrome. Or keeping my options open.

As I wrote in an earlier post, "The danger of this hobby is the temptation of thinking that finding that right provider will give you keys to the fountain of youth, at least temporarily..."

Everyone wants the fountain of youth.

Hmm. I am a simple sorta guy. It just feels good to have young flesh pressed against you.

[jmioffe]

Hmm. I am a simple sorta guy. It just feels good to have young flesh pressed against you.

Agreed. But for me, part of the appeal of that "young flesh" is fooling myself that I'm younger too. That's part of the fountain of youth thing, in my eyes.

[puffin]

Agreed. But for me, part of the appeal of that "young flesh" is fooling myself that I'm younger too. That's part of the fountain of youth thing, in my eyes.

Well, on the one hand everyone (men and women) like to say "you are only as old as you feel". When I am having dinner with a girl half my age, I certainly don't try to act like her boyfriend - even if I will be undressing her in a few hours. I'm not thinking much about myself. I am about as introspective as a kid riding a roller coaster.

As far as I see it, you gotta grab it when opportunity presents it. Life is not a dress rehearsal and this contrasts sharply with my views ten years ago.

http://i.imgur.com/rlEIg.jpg

Too bad the above is written in Engrish.

[Silent_Scope]

People will pay for sex from the fattest and ugliest providers.

I just don't get that.

[skudd]

Nature has its own version of a 12 step program-called aging. nothing will be required on your part-only the sweet passage of that great emancipator-Time. the prob you describe will go away little by little with your testosterone. you will remain a dog in your head and heart and soul but your formerly mighty sword (aka DICKtator) will be a shadow of its former self and generally leave you in peace-off your lifetime hook. so unless you are a Hefner or a Berlusconi with status, money and opportunity coming out your ears, your dog-dom will turn into a whimpering little barely salivating little thing occasionally stoked to life (with great effort and diminishing returns) in front of some hopeless little screen like this one...

IOWs some probs take care of themselves...until then...in the immortal words of CS ''PARTY ON"....

Then i must be a total freak. Lets put it this way... i was 17 when i was at the original Woodstock. My crazy ass drive hasn't weaned one bit. My T levels are still high, maybe due to hitting the gym or genetics, dont care. I am still 25 in my head, and i love pooonanie. Time..hasn't done anything except to give me more discretionary income to use on pootang. If anything age makes me last forever, and it takes me a full hour of slammin it to pop once.

Also, these boards are the best therapy a man can get... i confess shit on this and others that i would NEVER tell a soul.

And thank the gods for that, because it stops me from cheating with civvies. At least now, paying for it, i can get all the new strange i want without hurting my SO or ever having her find out.

[skudd]

People will pay for sex from the fattest and ugliest providers.

I just don't get that.

Yeah... exactly what you said... it just mystifies me that mongers will bang the fugliest, fat cottage cheese ass, sloppy, providers. Why would anyone, with any type of game now or in the past, pay for pussy, they would not look twice at in an upscale bar or back in the day???

[paperpusher]

People will pay for sex from the fattest and ugliest providers.

I just don't get that.

Sometimes fat and ugly women have mad skills.

One of the laws of the universe is that there is an inverse relationship looks and oral skills.
It just is not fair.

[TheRealStory]

The biggest revelation is that I am a dog, will always be a dog and have always been a dog and that I really need a 12-step program to ween myself off of bitches....

If anyone is wondering where I've been (since I was originally the only person allowed to start topics in this thread), I've been 12-stepping it.

[trigger]

Why should you be surprised that fat girls are good at giving blowjobs. They have plenty of experience shoving food and anything else in their mouths. Sometimes fat and ugly women have mad skills.

One of the laws of the universe is that there is an inverse relationship looks and oral skills.
It just is not fair.

[puffin]

Why should you be surprised that fat girls are good at giving blowjobs. They have plenty of experience shoving food and anything else in their mouths.

That's plain mean.

[justlooking]

I think it's pretty well known that fat women tend to be more oral than skinny women.

Trigger was being a dick about the way he put it (let's face it: many guys here get their greatest pleasure from insulting women) (they must be really insecure about their status in life or something). But it has some basis in fact.

[mrtaiwan]

(let's face it: many guys here get their greatest pleasure from insulting women)

This is an interesting observation!

[UG Staff]

I think it's pretty well known that fat women tend to be more oral than skinny women.

Trigger was being a dick about the way he put it (let's face it: many guys here get their greatest pleasure from insulting women) (they must be really insecure about their status in life or something). But it has some basis in fact.

Uh...... I think we both know a certain lesbian who got fatter and then wanted to fuck men rather than giving GREAT blowjobs. And she was one of very few who was willing to put her money where her......... ummmmm.... whatever.

[Scott68]

Sometimes fat and ugly women have mad skills.

One of the laws of the universe is that there is an inverse relationship looks and oral skills.
It just is not fair.

All women have the potential of having "mad skills". I can't believe either one of us are using that term.

[pudgy.in.the.middle]

All women have the potential of having "mad skills". I can't believe either one of us are using that term.

That was mad funny, yo!

[blondekelly]

Well, on the one hand everyone (men and women) like to say "you are only as old as you feel". When I am having dinner with a girl half my age, I certainly don't try to act like her boyfriend - even if I will be undressing her in a few hours. I'm not thinking much about myself. I am about as introspective as a kid riding a roller coaster.

As far as I see it, you gotta grab it when opportunity presents it. Life is not a dress rehearsal and this contrasts sharply with my views ten years ago.

http://i.imgur.com/rlEIg.jpg

Too bad the above is written in Engrish.You pay to take girls to dinner? ;)

[puffin]

You pay to take girls to dinner? ;)

Well, she supplies dessert.

[justlooking]

Uh...... I think we both know a certain lesbian who got fatter and then wanted to fuck men rather than giving GREAT blowjobs. And she was one of very few who was willing to put her money where her......... ummmmm.... whatever.

Could I have been thinking of her when I wrote that post?

[trigger]

Hey! Justlooking, I don't want to start a pissing contest with you but I was trying for a little humor. I wasn't bering a dick and I resent what you said. I am a respectable member on this board and you don't know me from a whole in the wall. As far as my status in life is concerned it's fine.

[oddfellow4870]

The good ones know it's just a show and as soon as they know that you know that too, they can simulate the real thing pretty well.

[Succorso]

That, through time and experience, due to a variety of factors (probably with LE as the most significant) this shit has been thought through quite carefully to a point of even greater complexity than I expected. And I just ducked into the rabbit hole a few weeks ago!

Still, having some knowledge of the lengths which substance dealers in places with fairly lenient rules will go to maintain their safety, I don't know why I should be at all surprised.

[wah]

For me it was to learn how easily a civilized woman can become a whore (mentally and physically).

And how much sex is simply a commodity. For us and them.