Imperialone Get's Busted

[Eye Won]

Well, my dear freinds, it is now almost 11pm and I just got back from the police station with what could only be described as a very uncomfortable experiance. I left work early today and decided to do a little shopping at the Sunrise Mall in Massapequa.
On the way there, in the town of Copague there used to be a spot streetwalkers would hang out. If any of you are from Long Island you'll know what Im talking about. I drove by and in the corner of my eye spotted a girl in that location. So of course I turn around to do the drive by. I passed the woman once and decided to see what was up... I rolled up and just said Hi.....She was like you looking for a date? So i play dumb and say...What do you mean....She laughs and says very funny.....I was like how much.....She says that depends on what you want.... She looks at me and says...Your not a cop are you....and like a jerk decide thats good enough for me to think shes not a cop....Not thinking with the right head. So Im like ok how much for a BJ...she says 50.00. So she tells me to meet her at the hotel which is right behind where she's standing...I say hop in the car but she insists on going to the room.... I refuse saying I wouldn't feel safe but she keeps insisting....
After like 5 minutes, I say forget it and pull away, I get maybe 50 feet and 5 cop cars swoop up and surround my car. They yank me out of the car, throw the cuffs on my and away I go.......So I get to the station after being thrown around for a little and handcuff me to a steel table as I wait to be fingerprinted and have my portrait taken. When I got there I was the only guy there, as an hour went buy there was 3 guys there all for the same thing with the same girl. As I was waiting, I started taking to the gut next to me who was a nervous wreck.. He started telling me what happened and I said I know thats why I'M here. He told me that he left his house to go buy milk and Ice Cream for his pregnant wife and saw this girl and decided to get a quick BJ before he got back... Im thinkin to myself this guy is finished unless he makes up some crazy story. Plus he has no Id on him so they won't release him.. Then I got printed and they took my photo and sat me back down and re-handcuffed me back to the table. So, about every 15 to 20 minutes another guy would come in and it was obviously a sweep operation I got caught in the middle of...Then as I am waiting for them to call me I look up and there's the woman in her glory laughing.... She looks at me and says hi. I was like hey, how are you? She says you must be pretty embarressed and humiliated. I just looked her right in the eye and said, No not really. She was like, well I think your pathetic, and my resonse was well you can think what you want, I mean shit I thought you were a prostitute and look where that got me. So she walked away, then I got a little concerned. A guy with a pad and pen walked in and started asking the officer about this sting operation. She gives him some info. and then he starts taking names. I asked one of the officers what was going on and he told me he was a reporter for Suffolk Life who was doing a story on the bust...Now the Suffolk Life isn't a huge paper but it is free and gets mailed out to just about everybody.. So I get a little worried and then decide that theres nothing I can do at this point. So after a half hour they give me my paperwork I give them some cash and Im on my way. I have to say I am thinking about the guy who went out to buy milk, he is screwed.........So just wanted to share my experiance with the gang, and say be careful out there....
Imperialone..................Out

[hobbymaster]

Thanks for sharing. It reminds me why my last BJ from a streetwalker was more than ten years ago.

[Tankcommander]

Not to be an ass, but this guy with the pregnant wife, I feel for him. As for someone like me, I already got a Federal Felony on my rap sheet. After you've rolled with two pistols on your person, and two fully automatic M4's that disappeared from the US Army, sweating bullets everytime a cop happens to pull in on your six, it's not so bad when they bust you for something small while you're "clean".

As for me, you won't catch me with anything illegal anymore. I won't play that game anymore. I can't. My next felony will put me that much closer to being a "three time loser". I ain't getting into a fight, I ain't getting mad at my girlfriend, I ain't even gonna forget to clean up after my dog.

As for you Imperial, you should know better! After all, you flushed out that one on AOL that I almost went with. Chalk it up to experience. Get a description of that Undercover cop. Print up some flyers telling everyone that she's a cop and post it everywhere.

One thing to know about sting operations. They will always watch their bait. Simple concept in Police or Military. See the ambush by seeing who or what is watching the bait.

Look for cars blocking or sitting near avenues of escape from where the bait is. Assume someone is in any car with very heavy tinting.
Look for at least one car in direct sight of the bait.
Look for other girls on the street (not hanging out with the bait, but one or two blocks away. 5-0 will clear an area before setting up a sting)
Look for someone just hanging out near the bait or otherwise watching.
Look to see if the girl walks into different areas (bait usually stay in one place because it is difficult to move support from one street to another)
If you can wait, wait for someone to pick up the target first. Sloppy seconds mean safe seconds LOL.

I usually keep a pair of Wide-angle Binoculars in the car to observe the situation. 7 or 8x with a 50mm Objective. Large enough to see what's going on around you, powerful enough to see how cute the target will be, bobbing up and down on your lap.

Imperial, we'll go cruising sometime in the future and put this into practice...

Also, cops in general, especially female cops, are kinda fucked up psychologically. I think it's something about hating their fathers or something. They usually also have fucked up marriages and relationships so rest assured, Karma will take care of her! LOL

[Edited by Tankcommander on 03-09-2001 at 12:54 AM]

[guy catelli]

She was like, "well I think your pathetic,..."

what a disgusting excuse for a human being. backed by the coercive power of the state, she pursues a career as a hooker in a badger game to destroy the personal lives and happiness of harmless taxpayers -- the very same taxpayers who pay her bills -- and then gets in their faces and gloats about it.

[Edited by guy catelli on 03-09-2001 at 12:15 PM]

[Casper]

Imp sorry to hear about your L.E. encounter.

I don't want to start up a debate about the hobby we've chosen to persue, but how hippocritical is it that one can go to ONE particular county in Nevada and our hobby is LEGAL... (of course it's regualted and taxed like any other business would be)

Last time I visited Las Vegas (never been to the Legal places there) I spent some time with a well known provider and get this, she tells me that the L.E. there can lie, sleep with and then BUST an escort. Imagine that one uh. I forget what they call that but I guess it comes to show that knowledge is power and that we cannot ever assume we are knowledgeable enough. We take steps to ensure the odds are in our favor but the laws of probability might someday bite us in the azz.

Anyway sorry about my going off on a tangent. Hope it all blows over soon and all works out with minimal damage.

Peace out





[Edited by Casper on 03-09-2001 at 03:00 AM]

[Eye Won]

Hey guys,
Tank I will definately get together and we will roll sometime, give me some pointers, and guy the whole thing where she called me pathetic....I just kind of laughed, Im pathetic, she'd dressed up making beleive she's a prostitute, and Im pathetic......Whatever.....
Imperialone................Out

[Edited by Imperialone on 03-09-2001 at 10:56 PM]

[candie]

Just wanted to say I am sorry you had to endure that. You would think they would spend sting money on the drug problems instead.

Sure glad you brought ID as well.

Sincerely,
candie
xx

[fishfry]

Gentelemen,

Never, never never -- NEVER -- talk to a woman about sex or money until she gets in your car. The procedure is:

"Hi, would you like a ride?"

She gets in. You say, "How was your day?" or "How's it going?"

Only after you are a couple of blocks away do you start talking about sex for money. Female cops will never get in your car.

Sorry for your experience bro'.

[OCharley]

As a former state prosecutor and current criminal defense attorney, I must agree with what has been posted. I have never taken the prosecution of street sex serioulsy, the LE do it because it is always in response to a community complaint. They clean it up, move it away, then follow it to the next corner. The defendant, gets a slap on the wrist, a fine, a mark on the rap sheet and a kick in the ass out of court, with a reprimand not to come back. Most do not return.

The advice regarding procedure is sound. A cop will not get into a vehicle, because now she is in a vulnerable position with out support. She can be transported anywhere, and despite TV, its tough to follow a car.

And lastly, the other side, the police have to feel as if they are doing something good, even if they disagree with the rule of law that they enforce. Some do. They enforce it anyway, because they have to. I have spoken to cops who apologized for being involved in the arrest and called me to ask for leniency.

Nowadays, there are draconian rules regarding the forfeiture of vehicles used in the commision of crimes. Some localities seize the vehicle.

Be thankful they didn't take your car. Thats a headache no one needs.

Be careful. The streets are dangerous.

[Slinky Bender]

Good suggestions so far. Fortunately, in NY, they can't ( legally ) get away with some of the things they do elsewhere. Always try to get some "skin" first ( i.e. if she shows you her tits, she's not a cop; streetwalkers in Binghampton, NY - ok, this was years ago - never asked "Are you a cop?". SOP was always "Show me your dick" ).

Never just go to a location and pick someone up. Go, check it out a minute, leave, come back, see what the situation looks like. Best bet is to see someone else go first. If another guy "got away with it"......well......

Beware streewalkers who "look too good". If you're in an area where you expect a certain quality/certain look, and you find someone who looks like a "Prom Queen".......well......


PS "I think your pathetic"......"You're very convincing as a $50 streetwalker".

[EarlyRiser]

Imperialone: Sorry you got busted. It's a sorry waste of taxpayer money.

Tankcommander: Good points on how to sniff out a sting. You could or should give counter-surveillance courses to hobbyists. I mean it. Just one thing: I didn't follow the meaning of one thing you said: "5-0 will clear an area before setting up a sting." Could you clarify what the "5-0" means?

fishfry, OCharley, slinkybender: food for thought.

EarlyRiser

[Carl M]

My Rock buddy I feel for you, I was down in Lauderdale along Federal Hwy going toward Hollywood- LE puts out massive sting operations here- One guy I know there would pull up next to a girl and always say to them- hey you need a ride honey- if they got in they were not a cop- if they they did not get in the car and tried to convince him otherwise he would bolt the hell out of there especially if the female decoy would talk anything about sex!

Tank, my Abrams buddy I got to hand it to you- you probably have nite vision glasses too! Imp stick with this guy he will not steer you off the straight and narrow!!

[lisa]

hey sorry to hear about what happened to you sweetie sending you a hug and kiss xoxoxxo

hey tank i think maybe you should have a little respect for us providers and refrain from the whore comment doesnt sound very nice .

a least i think its distasteful

lisa

[Ezrlove]

Imperialone

I feel your pain man. Im sorry you went through that crap.

Tank - you make great points. I haven't been with a street walker for years now. I use to always hang out around the area before making contact with any of them. Driving around the block a few times, watching the way the girl approaches the car. Always looking out for uncover DT's in parked cars.

The clearest sign of all is if she is the only one on the block. That is a totally give away. 5-0 will always, always clear the block before they put out the bait. Plus the bait will make herself alittle to visible.

Early Riser - the phrase "5-0" means cops. Remember the show Hawaii 5-0, that is where it came from.

Guys can we respect Lisa's wish and not have a long thread started again.





[Edited by Ezrlove on 03-09-2001 at 12:06 PM]

[Tankcommander]

5-0 is urban lingo for police, taken from the Television show, Hawaii 5-0.

Lisa, I never made a whore comment. I don't believe I called anyone a whore. I believe you have mistaken me for someone else.

[guy catelli]

my apologies to one and all. the offending terminology has been amended.

[lisa]

sorry tank i must have read the wrong one i apologize

[Eye Won]

Just a quick thanks for all the info. about spotting the fuzz....and Tank imma take you up on that offer,,,,,
Imperialone...........Out

[hot4chicks]

For all you guys cruising for love

I've seen NYPD block 28th street, Park to Lex and ask every car for ID and run plates. They stop maybe 5-10 cars and let the rest of traffic through. Also, turning without signalling and other minor infractions will get you stopped.

I once saw a guy on a motorcycle about to turn onto 29th from Park and a cop stops him and asks to see his helmet to verify its has the right rating.

h4c, paranoia rules!

[guy catelli]

a civilian friend of mine often works late at his law firm -- near the Hilton at 53rd and 6th. he tells me that women will often pull up to him in their car while he's out getting a sandwich, and ask him, "hi, howya doin', etc?" anyone know if they're offering a car ride to paradise -- or to 'the other place'?

[Bill Furniture]

I used to go down to Hunts Point with my buddies and cruise around looking for girls. We recognized a few of them (even those who didn't interest us). If we didn't see any of the "regulars" around, the chances are that the police were sending out their ladies to pickup the guys.

[Ezrlove]

[i]
anyone know if they're offering a car ride to paradise -- or to 'the other place'? [/B]

Guy,

The ladies of the night have been driving around in cars with out of state license plates for over 1 year now. They cruise around park ave between 31th and 26th street. Sometimes 2 or 3 ladies are in one car.They will pull up next to you and signal with hand jestures and sometime prices. If you understand what thay are saying you just nod and off you go to either a hotel or a dark parking lot. If you don't understand they will tell you to pull over so they can explain in further detail.

According to Hot4chicks it looks like LE has caught on and now is randomly stopping cars. Remember LE can give you a ticket for not wearing a seatbelt also.

[littleguy]

Late last summer, reading some reviews and not normally a "street action" kind of guy I decided to try around 28th and Lex.

I came down Lex and made a left onto 28th. Right at the corner were 3 pretty good looking ladies, all apparently on the prowl. I turned the corner and slowed down a bit and one of them headed towards my car. Something didn't quite smell right, so I slowly accelerated away.

I decided to go around, west on 27th to Park, right on Park to Lex, then parked on the Northwest corner of 28th adn Lex to watch.

I believe it was TC above that said "Sloppy seconds mean safe seconds". Boy, was he right.

Across 28 St from me were 4 guys sitting in their car just hanging out. Katty-corner from me were the girls trying to flag down customers. Across Lex from me were a guy and a girl hanging out on a stoop and some workers at the corner store. I just sat in my SUV watching.

I was waiting for one of the girls to be picked up and taken away in a vehicle. Then I figured it would be safe to approach. About 10 minutes later, one of the girls was successful flagging down a car and talking to the driver. They were talking for about 30 seconds or so when he must've said the magic words. She took off her jacket. From all sides, guys in street clothes slowly, then quickly advanced to the car. They jumped the driver and pulled him out. Score number 1 for the cops. Then car across from me were also cops.

I watched with some morbid fascination for about an hour and a half before they all left. During that time they made about 7 different arrests including at least one guy on foot.

[jester]

Years ago (pre-Rudy), after working the 4-12 shift downtown, I would drop a co-worker off at the bus terminal, then go home. I often drove around 46-48th Streets looking at the scenery. There were almost always a dozen or more girls around, with the line of cars stretching around the block. The girls were often very aggressive, and once I had a girl (who was obviously high on something) try to climb in my car window. I actually had to fight her off, then a unmarked police car pulled up, and two plainclothes got out and grabbed her. They tried to browbeat me into pressing charges, but I just wanted to get away from there.

The interesting thing was that while this was going on "business" was still being conducted 20 feet away.

How times change.


Jester

[littleguy]

Actually I don't know why I watched for so long.

I got a sickening feeling sitting there watching helpless hobbyists get snared.

Kind of a morbid curiosity I guess. Kind of like rubbernecking at a car accident byt the side of the road.

[littleguy]

Re-awakening this subject for a little bit, I understand that a vehicle involed in a DUI incident is at risk (or is it a done deal ?) for confiscation, but that is, I believe, a misdemeanor or a felony, depending on the number of times ro some other circumstances.

Does trying to pick up a street lady, which supposedly is little more than a jaywalking offense/slap on the wrist, also put your vehicle at risk.

Also, since we know there is at least one lawyer out there, can somebody tell me how the law figures conficating a $70,000 Mercedes and a $500 20-year old Chevy is equal punishment for the same offense ?

[Slinky Bender]

In NYC, yes.

The confiscation isn't the "punishment". It's based on the same principal that they use to confiscate a $2 Million boat because they find one MJ seed on board. It's under "equipment used in the commision of". They're trying to act as if you "used" the car to commit the crime, and therefore it's fair game.

HE: "Hey, baby, come give me a BJ, I've got a Ferrari".

SHE: "Sure. That will be $50".

See how that works ? He used the Ferrari to get the BJ ( yeah, right ).

[fletch]

By that logic, you would do better to park, get out of your car, proposition the girl and fuck her right on the sidewalk. :p

[Slinky Bender]

Well, actually, that is correct. They can't confiscate your car if you do that. If you are planning to go to a local hotel anyway, you may be better off cruising some og the areas ( like lex/28th ) on foot to avoid having your car seized.

[littleguy]

Funny you should say that SB, my thoughts exactly.

I'm meeting a lady at a specific place who doesn't have a ride. I'm picking her up in my car. While she's been vouched for as real by sources I "know and trust" (at least as far as we can trust anyone on some of these sites) I have not seen her yet.

I was considering doing exactly that. Parking and meeting her on foot, although we would still have to ride to the motel, so, if something were fishy, I probably wouldn't know it until we were at least inside the car anyway. Which brings me I guess to the next part. Normally, if she gets in and allows you to drive away without yet discussing anything, is that a "sure" sign she's OK. After all, it's basic procedure apparently that LE will NOT let their decoys even get in the car.

BTW, this is also NJ I'm speaking about and I do not know their "confiscation" rules anyway.

[guy catelli]

good 'thinkin' like a lawyer', fletch ;).

[hot4chicks]

Personally, I'd arrive maybe 15 minutes early and cruise around to see if anything looks odd. Some communities see the seizure of cars etc as a way to enhance their budgets.

Once I was going to an incall and noticed maby 4 plainclothes cops, including one woman, with radios. I waited to see if they were going to bust this incall. As I waited it became apparent there were more cops involved when 2 cars parked opposite the street and down the block. Then some dignitary with flags flying on his car shows up and they all escort him into a restaurant. Better safe than sorry.

h4c, paranoia rules!

[Tankcommander]

After a short stint in executive protection, I have learned that these are a different class of people. They are usually non-judgemental, as they have to be in order to put their lives on the line for those who are as human as they are, and are subject to witnessing the pleasures of the flesh that their principals indulge in. These men and women are highly honorable, secretive and trustworthy. Their main concern is their duty to protect an individual. There is nothing personal in what they do, and they take no extra steps in causing pain or anguish.

Police however, are usually a different story. Generally less educated and less intelligent, trainers have resorted to convincing them that they are part of some great crusade. And thus, you see the results

[Tankcommander]

Originally posted by guy catelli
a civilian friend of mine often works late at his law firm

What are you? A cop? fed? military?

[guy catelli]

Originally posted by Tankcommander
Originally posted by guy catelli
a civilian friend of mine often works late at his law firm

What are you? A cop? fed? military?

guerilla.

[jmcurry]

Little guy: Unless your car directly facilitates your involvement in an illegal activity, such as drug sales, or you are driving "under the influence", the authorities, constitutionally, do not have the right to confiscate your vehicle, without just compensation. The "takings clause" of the 5th Amendment insures American citizens their right to their property. I have always been curious as to how such property is impounded under any circumstances, since the Constitution itself does not separate criminal from legal behavior. It simply requires that "private property" cannot be "taken for public use, without just compensation." Nonetheless, cars are always impounded, with little or no attention paid to our Fifth and Fourteenth Amendment protections.