Paying For Service- Before or After?

[Carl M]

Hey guys and girls, I have noticed it is about a 50/50 split. Why do some girls ask for money up front and some get it after the session. I used to feel it was better to pay after a service was rendered, but after a certain provider I know in PA who was not paid after her services were rendered, I have come to the conclusion why the provider will ask for the fee up front!

[LIDAWN]

what if you get 30 minutes into an hour session and the gentlemen decides this is not for him for his own personnal reasons.. you r already in action i might add and he asks you to go .. with out payment as first discussed... only a tiny portion of it.. say 1/10th
is that ok or not?
would love a response on this one..
hugzz dawn

[guy catelli]

in my own business, because of a tiny number of bad actors, i adopted a payment-in-advance policy. to my great surprise, there was very little objection from clients.

in the beginning i made an exception or two. although they did pay, they turned out to be precisely the clients whose money i didn't want anyway. so, it turned out to be a simple method for screening out the honest but trouble-making clients, as well as the genuine rip-off artists.

my 2 cents: get paid up front.

[Slinky Bender]

I think there is one clear reason: fear of LE. The presumption is that if you don't get paid till afterwards, that it decreases the risk of LE problems, since most jurisdictions would throw out an arrest made by an officer who just had sex with the "offender". OTOH, if you get paid up front, you get arrested without the officer having performed any conduct which would get the bust thrown out.

[jester]

IMO, it is best for the provider to get the money up front. If the client is unhappy with the service, he can stop the session early, and then possibly negotiate a partial return. It is probably in the provider's best interests to be fair, as she would not want the scene to get ugly. Of course, the client should be a gentleman about it. Every situation will be different, but as long as everyone acts as responsible adults there should be no problems. The client can encourage better results by giving the fee up front, but withholding any tip until after the session.

Jester

[Ezrlove]

I think the finacial part of the date should be taken care of up front, but for the providers protection she should only handle the money at the end of the session.

Dawn-

If you are 30 minutes into an hour session and have begun doing the nasty and then the client changes his mind, I think the fee should be paid in full. You both agreed to an hour and as long as you are willing to stay for that entire hour than you should be paid in full. If the client ask you to leave early he is still obligated to paying for the entire hour.


If you leave six flags early only after riding on a couple of rides do you get a partial refund?

[Slinky Bender]

Ezrlove,
The only thing I would argue with your above post is that if someone had booked a three hour session, and it became obvious after 30 minutes that "it wasn't working", I think some arrangement should be made.

[frog]

If you were go to Six Flags and the roller coaster was broken, and you don't like any other rides, I'd bet you can get a partial refund.

[hot4chicks]

If you meet a fat provider and her name is Roller Coaster, do you get a refund if she uses crisco instead of KY?

[Ozzy]

i've only been asked maybe 2 or 3 times to pay up front by a single independent girl(agencies and incall are different). i have no problems with that if it's something she wants to get out of the way.
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[LIDAWN]

this is carls question not mine guys just gave my two cents..! i am not involved with this one persay!!!

[frog]

I'm with ozzy. Prefer to pay after, but don't care all that much about taking care of it ahead of time. I do mind taking care of it during though. It is more awkward to tip if you pay ahead of time though.

[Edited by frog on 02-28-2001 at 04:22 PM]

[Ozzy]

as for a partial payment....once any services have been rendered you should be obligated to pay in full.....at least for that hour or part that you're there.



[Edited by Ozzy on 02-28-2001 at 04:55 PM]

[robnotbob]

I typically pay before.

except at a certain Asian spa, where I tip afterwards in appreciation of good service.

[San_Te]

I always pay before the visit with the money in an envelope. I find the ladies are very happy with the arrangement. However, one time the provider refused payment until after the visit. She said it was because of LE concerns. She would rather lose out on the money than incur the risk. She runs an agency and will reimburse the girls if they get stiffed because of her policy.

[Assman]

Originally posted by Ezrlove


If you leave six flags early only after riding on a couple of rides do you get a partial refund? [/B]

Only if you fall off!!!

[TuckernotSucker]

What ever happened to the smoooooth way.......Leave the $$ in plain sight on the night table before the session. The provider is at ease, business has been taken care of and all are happy.

[jester]

Tucker,

That's a good way, one which I've seen recommended before. What do you do about the tip? I'm generally a big tipper, but I don't know if tipping before the session is a good idea.


Jester

[K.S.]

A tip is something you give to show appreciation for excellent service. It helps to make sure you're remembered and treated well in the future.

In restaurants, servers are paid below minimum wage and they are expected to live on tips. In that situation, you tip to support them, and you tip for adequate service.

On the other hand -

In hair salons, you do NOT tip the proprietor.

So, using these guidelines: if you're seeing an independent, then she is the proprietor. A tip should ONLY be for outstanding service, in hopes that her schedule will accomodate you in the future.

If you're in a situation where a third party has predetermined the rates (certain houses or agencies) a tip is a way of making sure she gets a little extra that is NOT to go to the house. For example, in Nevada, all the negotiated stuff is split with the house 50/50. Now, that always pissed me off. If I'm with a guy for an hour and I decide to do anal, then *I* should get the extra money. The HOUSE is not doing anything different at ALL. (I say this because anal is uncomfortable for me - I'd do it for a LOT of money, but who wouldn't?) Oops - I went off on a rant there. Anyway, if you silently toss her an extra $20, that's the equivelant of a negotiated $40, and she'll really appreciate it.

Anyway, a tip is not obligatory. It's an afterthought. That is, when it is truly a tip. At the Golden Gypsy "tip" was euphamism for "fee" $50 got you a desultory backrub with the girl of your choice in a private room for an hour. In other words, for $50, the house would let you proposition and get it on with the woman of your choice. All the rest of it was her fee.

If you tip beyond the "tip" it should be for good service, and given after the session. Even if she's an independent, if you're blown away, it won't hurt to toss another $20 at her. Yes, she'll be pleased and very flattered. This flattered feeling goes beyond the actual buying power of $20 - it's nice to know you've done a good job and have made somebody happy.

[Note: I have nothing to gain by being fake, so you can count on me to give you my cynical and honest opinion of everything. Ain't that grand?]

[Edited by K.S. on 02-28-2001 at 08:04 PM]

[guy catelli]

Originally posted by TuckernotSucker
What ever happened to the smoooooth way.......Leave the $$ in plain sight on the night table before the session. The provider is at ease, business has been taken care of and all are happy.

definitely soave, TNS. i also like to say something to lighten the mood, like "this is for your school tuition" ;).

[jester]

Excellent post KS,

If you give her the "fee" up front, then the tip after, you can let her know that you had a great session, and maybe make her feel special. Everyone likes to be complimented on their performance.



Jester

[One Eyed Trouser Trout]

Ya mean we gotta pay for this fun?

[Carl M]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by LIDAWN
[B] what if you get 30 minutes into an hour session and the gentlemen decides this is not for him for his own personnal reasons.. you r already in action i might add and he asks you to go .. with out payment as first discussed... only a tiny portion of it.. say 1/10th
is that ok or not?
would love a response on this one..
hugzz dawn

No this is absolutely not acceptable- if he was the one to ask the girl to leave then full payment should be rendered on the spot! Unless the provider feels she has done something wrong with the guy- then I guess it could be left to the provider to renegotiate the rate at her discretion

[Edited by Carl M on 03-01-2001 at 09:20 AM]

[candie]

I never ask for it in if I know the gentleman. If it is a first time client. Its spoken about before we meet so I do not have to ask, as well as I.D. I direct newbies to a place where he can learn the card or envelope on table way.

candie
xx

[Carl M]

You know the drill sweety! Hey tell Jenni to come on over to UG!!

[Ezrlove]

KS -

Is a gift just a gift or does that configure in the tip?

[K.S.]

No, a gift and a tip are different things.

They can achieve the same thing, I guess, but a gift is given just because you want to give something. A tip is to be remembered as a good client and to reward great service.

Frankly, most providers prefer cash to presents. The odds of you buying something she actually wants are pretty slim. If you buy a gift, get something light-hearted and inexpensive, yet nice. I used to have hints on my web site - I listed Godiva chocolates as one of the things I loved in life. That way, I got lots of Godiva chocolates. These are affordable, as you can buy a variety of box sizes, and they are nice to give because they're pretty. Clients who get a kick out of giving gifts were satisfied, and I had something I liked.

Gifts aren't that important, though. If you give a gift, it's sweet, but I don't think many providers really care and we feel TERRIBLE when you buy something we don't like. We feel bad that you've wasted the money. At least, I felt kinda guilty.

[guy catelli]

there are certain 'gifts that keep on giving'.

[Edited by guy catelli on 03-01-2001 at 02:45 PM]

[Ezrlove]

KS

Thanks for the info. I have only given one gift and that was to a special woman. I think she wears it everyday I guess I got lucky.

Guy "there are certain 'gifts that keep on giving'"

Would that gift come with batteries. hehe

[Carl M]

Originally posted by guy catelli
there are certain 'gifts that keep on giving'.

[Edited by guy catelli on 03-01-2001 at 02:45 PM]

GC are you in FL or just zoning out in FL! Why the shades man!

[frog]

gc, go get a shot. It'll get rid of it.

[TuckernotSucker]

I generally do not tip independents. I may give them a gift but not money.
In houses, that's another story. I like to tip in advance or at least let the girl know in advance that if the service is good a tip will be generous.

[jmcurry]

I agree. I rarely tip independents with extra cash. But I will bring a bottle of wine, flowers, or something different, such as candy. Since independents do not share their commission with the house, I would rather contribute to the ambiance than plunk down extra cash, which often seems crass.

[guy catelli]

Originally posted by Carl M
GC are you in FL or just zoning out in FL! Why the shades man!

in real life, i always wear shades (classic Ray Bans). it's part of the de riguer dress code of this thing of ours. :cool:

[Carl M]

Last couple days I want to keep it dark! If you know what I mean GC- LOL!!

[Coyote]

For certain select ladies, not only will I pay in advance, I will give them an advance for the coming month.
I find that this is a way to remove money from the setting and give everyone a chance to relax.

[Carl M]

Very nice- Im gonna try that sometime!

[nj george]

at the start of the date i leave the $$$ in an envelope with the girl's name on it in a conspicuous place where she will see it. this way she is free to pick it up either in the beginning or the end...her choice. and generally i do not tip escorts unless they did something that was way over, above and beyond the call of duty. i used to see a lady that would drive 2 hr through nyc am rush hr traffic to see me. i used to give her a tip to show her my appreciation for her effort.

[LIDAWN]

a gift can be better than a tip if it is something she adores...
thank you so much for the flowers during my short stay in the green room..
i am so grateful for your kind words and thoughts.. hugzz angel..
xxxx
DAWN
moving slow glad for the break in snow days wink..

[LIDAWN]

you guys are the best thank you for being there and understanding..I am slowly on my feet now..
Please let me re schedule as the weather and my energy allows..I want to be 1110% for you guys and i am soo in need and looking forward to combining those energies..
hugzz
Dawn
look at new pics till then
http://www. cajuncumfort.com

[Ezrlove]

Originally posted by LIDAWN

thank you so much for the flowers during my short stay in the green room..
i am so grateful for your kind words and thoughts..



Your Welcome

[lisa]

gentlemen
just as i believe ozzy put it you should have already discussed payment with the provider before coming over so the amount is already known so not to make it uncomfortable you can place the money on a table before the session starts and walla no probs but it should always be paid upfront

lots of love lisa

[Carl M]

Lisa the majority of Indies I know ask for money after the session! usually the agency girls ask for money up front!!

[Edited by Carl M on 03-08-2001 at 12:40 PM]