Review of Heather AKA Whilom

[ramstein]

I just came back from an extended session with her. Very pettite blond girl, 22 years old but looks younger. It was a thoroughly enjoyable session with the highlight being 2 BBBJTCs + she swallowed both times. It was a damn long drive from LI(3 hours round trip), but still, the BBBJTC was worth it as it was one of the best BJs that I have ever experienced.

[montaukmale]

Do you have any contact info?

[Rufus Moses]

Time and $ stats?

[mk67105]

Just wondering if anyone bothers to read this board for old posts and do searches on their own before asking for info on a topic which may have been covered already(or uncovered, in Heathers case)...

Heather does BBBJTCwS for .8 for 30 minutes and F/S for $80 to $$ for 1 hour. If you have any girth to your penis (width ) you're not gonna be able to get a good F/S with this tiny girl.

Tread carefully here gents...

[ramstein]

Although I do agree that a search would probably be a more effective way to obtain info. I must say, a lot of the rumors you will find in your searches on this board are just that, rumors. Many of these rumors were perpetuated by people who have never seen her before, deducing based on second hand information.
I advise people who are interested in seeing her not be bothered by these rumors but should check them out for themselves.
As for certain rumors about her age. For chrissake, the girl carries around her birth certificate AND her year book. What more proof can one need? Anyways, let me reiterate, rumors are just rumors, nothing else, nothing more....

[Rufus Moses]

Searches are good for finding out what the story was in the past. It's not unusual for providers to change their rates or terms. It's also not unusual, especially for someone like Wilhom, to be all over the place in terms of what her rates are from session to session.

That's why I asked. I know what has already been posted. I wanted the update. If folks are going to bother to post reviews including basic info like rates and what activities that included seems like a reasonable thing to do even if it merely comfirms what was said before.

[ramstein]

Well.....no, the rates have not changed(or I would have mentioned it - unfortunately though, I pressumed that people on this board would have the intellectual capacity to deduce that without me - if I was wrong, please accept my sincerest apologies). Also, she is definately not a clockwatcher. I was her only client of the day( I know this because she only uses an out call motel and she was home all the way until the time I arrived to pick her up). So basically, I got there at 6:30 pm and left around 8:40pm but I only paid for the hour. It was one of my more casual experiences. We talked a lot but I didn't worry because I had worked 17 hours the day before and didn't want to force the multiple cup issue(didn't think I could recover in time). But as it happened, she ended up staying long enough that I was able to recover from the first cup.
Definately a repeat experience.

[dialated]

So...what is the contact info for her? Thanks!

[ramstein]

Whilom@yahoo.com

[vito]

Did this girl every hear of HIV? Why would you want to see this girl?

[ramstein]

It's difficult to get HIV from performing BBBJs.

[Slinky Bender]

I'm not sure about that. OTOH, the latest studies seem to indicate that it's difficult to get HIV from receiving BBBJ's.

[ramstein]

Well, I guess if she had bleeding gums and she bites in too hard...

[jimnyc]

I tried emailing her at the supplied address and it got immediately bounced back stating "This user doesn't have a yahoo.com account".

Does anyone have any other contact info? I'm in Westchester now, but from her area and travel there almost weekly. Thx

[RoadRunner]

Jimnyc.....

Try whilom@aol.com

[Phantom]

HUH?

[Mark_e27]

2 questions...
#1 does anyone have a picture of her?
#2 Why did you first post her phone # then take it down?
Thanks

[ramstein]

1. she usually emails it to you after getting to know you a bit.
2. she asked that it be taken down.(she likes to be under the radar)

[Phantom]

Alot more missing from this thread then a telephone number.

[Bill Furniture]

She can send you a picture if you e-mail her.

[Mark_e27]

thanks

[Kimmie]

Sure gentlemen, its very safe for you to receive a bbbjtc.

However, for the lady to swallow you she is at risk of getting whatever the hell you have. Or the last guy she saw.. or the guy before that or the guy....... But who cares about that right?
It's not you..... or is it?

Kisses
Lets Go Yankees..

[totalrecallin]

Kimmie-

This is totally off topic, but I find it incredible the similarity of the Yankees and prostitution. 25 Prostitutes on the field and in the dugout at Yankee stadium simultaniously, and more rooting them on from the stands.

BTW - Giambi is available through Exotica 2000.

[candie]

Due to what I heard in confidence, I would can not book with anyone who has been with this wilom.

[SINATRA]

Originally posted by candie
Due to what I heard in confidence, I would can not book with anyone who has been with this wilom.


No pun intended Gurlie, but you said a "mouthful".

Francis Albert

[candie]

Cant edit that post as its too late but meant to say can not and would not as I don't like to book with clients that have seen desparate providers.

Please don't email me on this as I wont respond but I feel badly knowing the situation she is in and wouldnt wish that on anyone!

[ramstein]

Originally posted by candie
Due to what I heard in confidence, I would can not book with anyone who has been with this wilom.

Not that I would care scheduling an appointment with you(and believe me, I have NO intentions whatsoever), but it seems a bit unfair to whilom to say something like that soley based on heresay. Especially coming from someone in the same business as Whilom. It reminds me of some people who drive around a chevy cavalier think they're so much better than people who drive around a hyundai accent. Or to put this another way. Candy, you must think you're so much better because you suck dick WITH a condom?
And then what, you take that back to say that you don't see clients who see desparate providers and YOU'RE not desparate? What makes you think that she's desparate? Have you ever talked to her? Or are you gullible enough to believe somebody 100 percent if you've been sucking their dick for 15 minutes?

[ramstein]

Originally posted by Kimmie
Sure gentlemen, its very safe for you to receive a bbbjtc.

However, for the lady to swallow you she is at risk of getting whatever the hell you have. Or the last guy she saw.. or the guy before that or the guy....... But who cares about that right?
It's not you..... or is it?

Kisses
Lets Go Yankees..

So, we're responsible for everything a provider does? Or we're responsible for boycotting Whilom for swallowing? It sounds like jealousy to me. For one, swallowing is about as safe as a bbbj.(which is performed by at least 60 percent of the providers out there) You can't get HIV from swallowing. Plus, herpes is something you get from skin to skin contact. So? What makes you so much better? That you don't swallow? that you use a thin piece of rubber less than a millimeter thick?
This seems to be hypocrisy to me. If you think the risk of getting disease is so bad, you should get out of the game. But to patronize someone else for performing bbbjtcs is like Dan Quail calling Al Gore tight assed.....

[Kimmie]

Originally posted by ramstein


So, we're responsible for everything a provider does? Or we're responsible for boycotting Whilom for swallowing? It sounds like jealousy to me. For one, swallowing is about as safe as a bbbj.(which is performed by at least 60 percent of the providers out there) You can't get HIV from swallowing. Plus, herpes is something you get from skin to skin contact. So? What makes you so much better? That you don't swallow? that you use a thin piece of rubber less than a millimeter thick?
This seems to be hypocrisy to me. If you think the risk of getting disease is so bad, you should get out of the game. But to patronize someone else for performing bbbjtcs is like Dan Quail calling Al Gore tight assed.....

Ramstein, you need to read my reply carefully.

First off, I did not in anyway shape or form say anything negative about Whilom. My comments were for the gentlemen who feel a bbbjTC is safe, and no risk to them.

BBBJTC exposes a provider to greater risks then a bbbj, or a CJ. That is not only common sense but a known fact.

If you recall from that other horrible post about her, I defended her. I have spoken to her in the AOL chatroom. I hold no jealously or grudges against Whilom. You owe me an apology for saying I do. I would never insult her, or feel jealously towards her.

She offers a different service then I do. I would not see a gentleman who wanted to BBBJTC, so there is no competition, hence no jealously.

I do not have to get out of the game . I can enjoy playing and being safe. So please do not insult my way of thinking.

Kisses
Lets Go Yankees...

[RoadRunner]

Originally posted by candie
Due to what I heard in confidence, I would can not book with anyone who has been with this wilom.

Haven't you already seen some of her client(s) already? Not that it makes a difference to me, because I haven't seen either one of you. Just curious ......

[tigerguy]

I would like to know all the providers who will provide BBBJ, specially those who will swallow, so I can avoid seeing them.

[jseah]

Originally posted by tigerguy
I would like to know all the providers who will provide BBBJ, specially those who will swallow, so I can avoid seeing them.

ROTFLMAO!!!!! Now that's funny.......

[hazmat]

I am not sure what Candie is actually referring to but it disturbs me that if someone actually has some knowledge of this girl being in trouble in some way...instead of venting against the hobbyists on this board wouldn't it make more sense if possible to try and direct her to some resources where she might get some help for what is wrong ?

I do not know Heather at all but every time her name comes up some long thread is always spawned about these issues..so again ..I know we are not a social services agency but then again we are human beings and if indeed someone such as Candie has some knowledge And a way of contacting this girl maybe she should point her in the right direction...all I am saying...might make all the crap worthwhile to help someone pull themselves up in life...

Hazmat

[Rufus Moses]

(The same themes just keep recycling over and over again...)

Just about every woman who becomes a prostitute does so out of some kind significant hardship...

Any John who wants to help a prostitute in need should take a look at the woman is he in bed with...not the woman some other guy is in bed with...

[ramstein]

Originally posted by jseah


ROTFLMAO!!!!! Now that's funny.......


DITTO!!!

[hazmat]

Rufus : I think you misunderstand...I did not say I wanted to help anyone...I have no knowledge of anyone wanting or needing help...my point was that some posters seem to always chime in about this girl needing help...if they have that belief then they should do something about it instead of just telling us all how sorry the situation is...and laying a guilt rap down on those that see her.

Look if she is of age and not forced by violent means to do what she does...that's all there is to it. Any adult has the right to make their own decisions...now whether they make intelligent ones or whether they make stupid ones...well that is their burden to carry...all I wanted to point out was if someone thinks they can offer help to Heather (if indeed they have some info that makes them believe she needs or wants it) then they probably should..if not for her sake but maybe to make themselves feel a little less guilty.

And the point about helping prostitutes vs what ? ..other human beings..come on ...open your mind brother...we all end up in the same place...a 6 foot hole in the ground...why not try and make the journey for everyone a little less onerous.

Hazmat

[ramstein]

Hazmat, how many of us don't have problems in youth? I remember personally eating an ounce of pot(yes you heard right) and shitting for two weeks straight. Road trips that were taken high on meth and low on cash. But seriously, shit happens. Not all of us have had that upper middle class up bringing that seems to be the standard of these days.
But after having talked to her for close to two hours and having questioned her directly about the rumors brought about on this and other boards, I can say with at least some certainty that most of the rumors are unfounded. The only thing that is true about her is the fact that she swallows. She was quite forthright about that even before the meeting.
But the allegations of IV drug use are completely unfounded. I have had the opportunity to observe IV drug users closely in my youth and I can say that judging from experience, she does not exhibit any tell tale signs that would make me conclude that she has ever used IV drugs.
In terms of the allegations of BBFS, she never offered such a service during our time together and claims that she has never offered it before.
Also, it occures to me that many people of this board think that we are taking unfair advantage of her vulnerability. Well, as RM pointed out, most providers have troubled pasts(my apologies to those providers who feel that they are the exception) and yes, by pursuing this hobby, we are taking unfair advantage of them. But such is life. If you feel that you cannot handle the guilt, I advise you to quit this hobby.

[ramstein]

BTW, the girl is not ********. If we were all a bit more trusting, the poor girl wouldn't feel obliged to carry around her birth certificate AND her high school year book with her all the time...

[hazmat]

Jeez oh man..I can't win...I was just trying to make some sense out of these posts from Candie and others...here is my disclaimer...

"I Hazmat hereby certify that I have no current knowledge of any problems of any provider, nor in the past have I had any such knowledge , AND in the future should I become aware of any such aformentioned provider problems I will neither divulge, discuss, attempt to clarify, respond or in any way interact with any other human beings regarding such problems of any provider mentioned heretofore or anywhere else"


I think that clears me of any liability...whew !...That was close...I thought I was gonna have to start drinking to kill the overriding guilt of participation in the hobby.

Don't worry...no need for anyone to respond..I will refrain from posting anything in the future with the exception of provider reviews..and I will keep those to such acronyms as DATY or BBBJ..just so there will be no overt or hidden misunderstandings.


Signing off...

Hazmat

[Phantom]

Originally posted by ramstein
BTW, the girl is not ********. If we were all a bit more trusting, the poor girl wouldn't feel obliged to carry around her birth certificate AND her high school year book with her all the time...

While I've seen Heather's picture, I've never seen her in session. It's stated very frequently in her reviews that she appears very much younger then 22.

Have you ever given any thought as to how many problems would be stopped dead in their tracks,if while in her company someone takes "offense" at a older guy with a "child" entering a short stay motel and she whips out her birth certificate?

[ramstein]

Hey, Hazmat, all I was doing was trying to explain to you that the rumors were pretty much unfounded. But the guilt statment was not necessarily aimed at you. All I am saying is that many people seem to feel an obligation boycott this girl from some strange sense of righteousness, that's all.

[Sara100]

Because I am a new provider, I wonder how many of you actually expect a BBBJ? I mean would you be offended if I put safety first for both of us? I know that there is research and everything that prove one thing or another...but the fact remains...you don't know how many guys I've been with..and I more than likely don't know what they have. But the odds of me giving you something from oral sex are a lot less likely...but body fluid is body fluid...and whether it HIV or not, there are still germs..and I don't know what you have...

Anyway, that's just my thought/ question for the day.

[tigerguy]

I disagree that all providers are victims. That may be true in third world countries, but in north America, many providers are self choice profession. With $200 to $500 per hour rate, I don't know who, the client or the provider, is the victim. Men has a different biological need than women. As long as men are willing to pay high price for a moment of relief, there will be willing providers to take advantage of it.

[ramstein]

Ok, they're not all victims.( I concede to that) But a majority have troubled pasts. Still, it is true that men DO have different biological needs than women. So who knows?
You know what I'd be curious to know is how many of us can actually afford this hobby?

[ramstein]

Originally posted by Kimmie


Ramstein, you need to read my reply carefully.

First off, I did not in anyway shape or form say anything negative about Whilom. My comments were for the gentlemen who feel a bbbjTC is safe, and no risk to them.

BBBJTC exposes a provider to greater risks then a bbbj, or a CJ. That is not only common sense but a known fact.

If you recall from that other horrible post about her, I defended her. I have spoken to her in the AOL chatroom. I hold no jealously or grudges against Whilom. You owe me an apology for saying I do. I would never insult her, or feel jealously towards her.

She offers a different service then I do. I would not see a gentleman who wanted to BBBJTC, so there is no competition, hence no jealously.

I do not have to get out of the game . I can enjoy playing and being safe. So please do not insult my way of thinking.

Kisses
Lets Go Yankees...

Ok, I apologize. But still, I have to disagree about the BBBJ being so bad. Plus, it seems quite normal for many providers to offer it. Anyways Kimmie, I think most of us know the dangers of the hobby. It's just something that you've got to live with.

[ramstein]

Originally posted by Sara100
Because I am a new provider, I wonder how many of you actually expect a BBBJ? I mean would you be offended if I put safety first for both of us? I know that there is research and everything that prove one thing or another...but the fact remains...you don't know how many guys I've been with..and I more than likely don't know what they have. But the odds of me giving you something from oral sex are a lot less likely...but body fluid is body fluid...and whether it HIV or not, there are still germs..and I don't know what you have...

Anyway, that's just my thought/ question for the day.

I don't think I'd ever be offended. It's all a matter of priorities if you ask me...

[Thorn]

Originally posted by candie
Cant edit that post as its too late but meant to say can not and would not as I don't like to book with clients that have seen desparate providers.

Please don't email me on this as I wont respond but I feel badly knowing the situation she is in and wouldnt wish that on anyone!

And exactly what situation is that which differs her from any number of women who work as providers either to:

1) feed their kids

2) feed their habit

3) feed their boyfriend's habit

Candie, your comment was vague and alluded to specific knowledge that you just couldn't have by third party innuendo ["What you heard in confidence"].

Its not about the specific provider in question. I am calling you on it in general as I wouldn't like the standard you just used applied to me, and I don't think you'd like it applied to yourself.

I think we could count on you going generally ballistic if another provider said here, "Based on what I heard in confidence, which I don't feel free to pass on, leave it simply said that I would never book a date with Candie".

You might be doing your clients with rubbers, playing it safe all the way, screening as best as you can, and still have a loser boyfriend addicted to herion who is main lining and you are doing him bareback because you love him and he's special... How do we know you aren't? Because YOU say so? [No, I am not saying you aren't everything you say you are but can you see how these whispers can hurt people in this business very quickly]

Level playing fields folks... Level playing fields.

Just because we are all johns and hookers doesn't mean we can't apply a little of the golden rule. Hell, who needs a break for each other from each other more then we do.

[Rufus Moses]

"I disagree that all providers are victims. That may be true in third world countries, but in north America, many providers are self choice profession. "

Actually I think it is *more* true in North America...because there are so many other options...

But I said most...not all...

Just because it is chosen doesn't mean the woman doesn't come from a troubled background. There are plenty of studies out there for anyone who cares to look that show that childhood molestation, abuse in adulthood, and various forms of addiction are common among prostitutes, and much more frequent than in the general population.

Some hide their distress better than others. That's why I say don't look at the other guys hooker and make judgements. Yours may be just as, or more, messed up as his...she is just a better actress...or maybe her pain is buried under many layers of psychological disfunction...

I remember having a session with this one gal who was your prototypical "happy hooker". She seemed into her work and always had a smile on her face. It went something like this...keep in mind I already knew her somewhat...

"So why do you do this?"

"Well it's easy money...more money than I can make any other way...and I am saving up for college."

"So you have a plan then?"

"Yep!"

"And you aren't hooked on any drugs?"

"No! No way I'd do that..."

"And you weren't beaten as a child or anything?"

"Nope, not at all. I do this because I want to"

"So that stepfather of yours...he didn't mess with you when you were little?"

Long pause....

"Ummm, I don't want to go there...BUT THAT'S NOT WHY I DO THIS!"

[Kimmie]

Originally posted by ramstein


Ok, I apologize. But still, I have to disagree about the BBBJ being so bad. Plus, it seems quite normal for many providers to offer it. Anyways Kimmie, I think most of us know the dangers of the hobby. It's just something that you've got to live with.


Ram.. my concern was about BBBJ TC not BBBJ.
Apology accepted. Now on your kness ;)

[tigerguy]

"I disagree that all providers are victims. That may be true in third world countries, but in north America, many providers are self choice profession. "

"Actually I think it is *more* true in North America...because there are so many other options... "

Self choice means not forced to perform. In third world countries, women are desperate of any job opportunity and prostitution is the only way to earn an income. Also, prostitution is controlled largely by mafia there, and many parrents sold their daughters into the business as sex slave.

There are many job alternatives for women in North America and majority who go into the business are making a conscience self choice. Past psychological trauma, financial hardship, drug, . . . may all have triggered the choice, but it is still a self choice. There are thousands of women in the porn business (movie, web, magazine, phone, stripper . . . ) and most do it willingly for money. Prostitution is simply the utimate form of the same business. Many providers tried it on a short-term basis, but got stuck with the easy money and can't get out. Like us hobbyists, once we tried and tasted forbidden fruits, it's hard to stop becasue of our different biological need.

[jras]

I would not presume to suggest that I *know* why anybody really does anything. And everything else is just statistics anyway.

[littleguy]

I was looking for a far more comprehensive explanation that I thought was posted here on UG (but not sure) of exactly how HIV is transmitted and the relatively low risk of contracting HIV in either direction, but I can't find it.

Anyway, this link was originally posted by nj_buck about 5 months ago.

http://www.r-s-r.org/rsr/nytimes/hiv-conf.htm

Keep in mind this is only about HIV. Other STD's excepted.

tg,

you said "I would like to know all the providers who will provide BBBJ, specially those who will swallow, so I can avoid seeing them."

You're fairly new here so allow me to tell you that the consensus here around UG not too long ago, when referring to BBFS, not BBBJ, was that every john should know that EVERY provider does (or has done) BBFS with someone, even if it's only her boyfriend or husband.

I'm relatively sure that the percentage of providers that do BBBJ with someone are at least as high. (grin)

I fear you need to find a new hobby.

[ramstein]

Originally posted by Kimmie



Ram.. my concern was about BBBJ TC not BBBJ.
Apology accepted. Now on your kness ;)

Mmmmmmmm, tasty.........

[Escort_King]

Originally posted by candie
Due to what I heard in confidence, I would can not book with anyone who has been with this wilom.

and now that you have made this public everyone who has is surely going to be honest about it!!!

[littleguy]

candie,

Agree with EK and, of course, Thorn.

If you really know something that might affect the guys that are (or are considering) seeing Whilom, shouldn't you in all good conscience let us know what the problem is so we can make an informed decision.

You and Whilom are in the same general market. "Whispering" such things about not seeing anybody that's seen her smacks of a competitive maneuver.

Kimmie,

"Ramstein, you need to read my reply carefully."

She offers a different service then I do. I would not see a gentleman who wanted to BBBJTC, so there is no competition, hence no jealously."

Kimmie. Perhaps it is you who should reply more carefully. Whilom offers a different service than you so there is no competition. Huh ???

You didn't really mean that, did you ?

[Kimmie]

LG...

Ram accused me of being jealous. I simply stated that since she offers a different service then I do, I have no reason to feel jealous. She isnt a threat to me or my business.

It is not something I ever thought of, it was something that I was accused of, therefore I responded.

[candie]

littleguy,

I read it in one of my newsgroups which frankly I dont care if its true or not true but its enough to concern me. I am sure just like some groups <jag> you can't always believe whats written but I don't want to see anyone thats seen her now. To each his own!

[ramstein]

LG, thank you for the link(hadn't checked it out until now). Those stats confirm my belief that a bbbjtcnqns is not as risky as people make it seem. As a matter of fact, I think the reason that most providers don't swallow is that they simply can't stomach it. But I don't think it is much riskier than a BBBJ sans the nqns.
Anyways, Kimmie. Can I ask you if you perform bbbjs? Just out of curiosity...

[Kimmie]

Originally posted by ramstein

Anyways, Kimmie. Can I ask you if you perform bbbjs? Just out of curiosity...

I plead the fifth..

[ramstein]

Originally posted by Kimmie


I plead the fifth..

[tigerguy]

Recent survey by CDC has found that unprotected vaginal sex has low risk of HIV transmission, about 1 in 500 chance, among couples with one known to be infected with HIV. So if one is not on IV drug and does not give or receive unprotected anal, then the risk of catching HIV is low. But low risk does not mean no risk, and the risk of catching other STDs is high. BBBJTC has low risk of catching HIV, but the risk of catching herpes, hepatitis . . . is high. A provider who is willing to perform swallowing is likely willing to perform other risky behavior or is already so messed up that it doesn't matter. Infection by other STDs will increase the risk of getting infected with HIV due to open sores. Even BBBJ without completion carries a small risk of catching other STDs due to pre ejaculation discharge. The CDC web site has clearly stated that to have safer sex, protection should be used in oral, vaginal and anal sex. Decent providers do not perform swallowing. Only ignorant, desperate, and low class providers do.

[Bill Furniture]

Originally posted by tigerguy
Decent providers do not perform swallowing. Only ignorant, desperate, and low class providers do.

I've heard that alot of the providers in the southern states swallow, but that doesn't make them desperate or low class. It's just an additional service offered.

[jras]

Originally posted by tigerguy
Decent providers do not perform swallowing. Only ignorant, desperate, and low class providers do.

Either you're a rookie or a moron. You pick.

[Phantom]

Tigerguy must belong to that same group of guys who believe that BBFS doesn't happen.

[Phantom]

Originally posted by Bill Furniture


I've heard that alot of the providers in the southern states swallow,...


I read a report somewhere that this is due to the presence of certain chemicals and minerals present in the water supply in the south. Supposedly these chemicals and minerals make it taste better. :rolleyes:

[littleguy]

"Recent survey by CDC has found that unprotected vaginal sex has low risk of HIV transmission, about 1 in 500 chance, among couples with one known to be infected with HIV."

tg,

1 in 500 ??? Are you sure of that number. I don't know about anyone else but that sounds rather high risk to me, not low.

[littleguy]

Kimmie,

"She isnt a threat to me or my business."

Sorry then. I thought you and Whilom shared a similar market. Apparently I was mistaken.

candie,

So you think that a guy that really wants to see you is going to not book with you because he has seen Whilom and knows you don't want to see anyone that has ???

Hmmmmmmmmm, I wonder.

[Bill Furniture]

Originally posted by Phantom



I read a report somewhere that this is due to the presence of certain chemicals and minerals present in the water supply in the south. Supposedly these chemicals and minerals make it taste better. :rolleyes:

One girl actually told me I didn't drink enough milk, one said Pineapple juice makes it taste better.

[jseah]

Originally posted by Bill Furniture


One girl actually told me I didn't drink enough milk, one said Pineapple juice makes it taste better.

I did hear that diet does factor in into the taste. Like if you are a heavy red-meat eater, then the taste will be stronger and more bitter.

[Sara100]

I can honestly tell you that tabasco sauce flavor does indeed come out on other places.....

[jras]

How about anchovies? Or chocolate?

I find that menses often have a metallic taste.

[ramstein]

Originally posted by jseah


I did hear that diet does factor in into the taste. Like if you are a heavy red-meat eater, then the taste will be stronger and more bitter.

Wouldn't diet be much more of a direct factor with regards to rimming?

[ramstein]

Originally posted by Sara100
I can honestly tell you that tabasco sauce flavor does indeed come out on other places.....

Sara, do you by any chance perform asian?(if so, we definately have to meet up sometime)

[ramstein]

Originally posted by jras


Either you're a rookie or a moron. You pick.

rookie, seems like it at least...

[candie]

littleguy, who? Most of my clients dont use this board.

[littleguy]

candie,

I'm not saying anybody would or did. I'm just saying you can't be so naieve to think that even knowing your preference, IF a guy was going to book with you, do you think they are so totally honest that they would tell you "Oh, BTW, I saw Whilom" when they know you would tell them "I'm sorry, then I can't see you" ?

[candie]

Listen mr smartypants....cutitout! Oh and btw, your cock hangs <pauses and looks> around with two nuts, so he's never alone!

winks, I like being a littleguy virgin, you'll survive lol


xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxcandie

[Kimmie]

Originally posted by candie
Listen mr smartypants....cutitout! Oh and btw, your cock hangs <pauses and looks> around with two nuts, so he's never alone!

winks, I like being a littleguy virgin, you'll survive lol


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DAYEMMM!!!!!

This girl is off the hook.. ;)

[mowogman]

What the hell is going on here ? There's a lot of talk with no substance. Is there something WRONG with this girl, or are people just passing judgment ? I can't figure it out.

Should she not be seen because she swallows ? Or is there a known health reason ? Are there other behaviors we need to be concerned with ? Or are we to avoid her because of her desperate financial situation for which we shouldn't exploit (jeeze !) ?

Some clarity would be helpful. Facts only please. I've emailed her, received her picture, and am considering seeing her.

[Rufus Moses]

Because she "looks" helpless people assume she is. Just as they assume that other providers who look in control really are.

The best thing to do is let this thread die and keep this gal, who I understand prefers to be a bit more (but not entirely) under the radar, out of the UG headlines.

[RoosterC74]

Rufus,

That makes some good sense.

[littleguy]

candie,

You didn't answer the question.

candie and kimmie,

First of all, I've never seen Whilom. (grin).

Secondly, neither of your ladies have anything to worry about, vis-a-vis "littleguy". You're welcome.

[Kimmie]

LG, keep me out of your replies. I have not replied to any of your posts since last week..


In a bad mood today don't mess with me..

[Thorn]

Originally posted by candie
littleguy,

I read it in one of my newsgroups which frankly I dont care if its true or not true but its enough to concern me. I am sure just like some groups <jag> you can't always believe whats written but I don't want to see anyone thats seen her now. To each his own!

Jeeze, and you gone and done it AGAIN!

I don't care who the provider in question is, you can't be a provider yourself and post stuff like this on a PUBLIC board and not expect people to look at YOU a little funny. I mean, most people have some concept of the 'golden rule'.

Its the worst sort of innuendo. Baseless without statement of verifiable fact, and directly harmful to another individual.

You have harmed a fellow human being, someone who shares your same profession, and probably caused no small amount of panic in anyone who might have seen the woman, wondering what you might be talking about.

I am sorry Candie, but that you can do that, in my mind that makes you not particularly a good person.

Statements of that type without verifiable proof are simply vicious gossip. You take a time out, go stand in the corner and think about what you've done young Lady. And don't come out of that corner until you can tell the class why what you've done was wrong.

[As much respect as I have for you from the intelligence levels of your posts as IB on JAG and Candi here on UG, I have come to expect better from you then what I have been witness to of late]

[Thorn]

Originally posted by tigerguy
Decent providers do not perform swallowing. Only ignorant, desperate, and low class providers do.

OK, I am not going to go forever onward about this as people are going to get confused and think I am "white knighting" here, and loose the actual focus point which has to do with PRINCIPLE [geeze, imagine that, someone actually speaking about principles on a whoreboard].

Now I don't want to go off on a rant here and I am sorry if this offends you tigerguy, but in looking for value and substance in the comment quoted above, I have used what experience, education, and patient good will I might have, and I find your comment vacuous, shallow, and totally without redeeming merit of any sort.

Its judgemental, coming from a person who, like the rest of us, lives in a very glass house [or pardon me, are you not present on a whoreboard, indicating that at least at some point in your life you have paid someone to have sex with you?] It is groundless in its lack of a factual arguement to back up the comment made [or pardon me, have you interviewed every provider that ever swallowed and therefore know all there is to know on the topic?], AND its cruel.

As I have stated prior to this. We are those who provide sexual services for money. We are those who pay those who provide sexual services for money. We are looked down upon by members of a society who believe that what we have chosen to do gives them a right to cast us lowly in their eyes.

NO ONE needs a break more then we do and it should start by our willingness to to give a break to ourselves and each other.

Now... THINK DAMN IT! :) Use that stuff whoever it was who was responsible for your presence in this world gave you between your ears and THINK!!! You know, reason... cause and effect. Measure the help against the damage done... If you can't argue that what you are doing is bringing more light into the world then heat, then maybe you're doing something wrong. :)

Just my opinion... I might be wrong. [apologies to Dennis Miller]

[Slinky Bender]

thorn,

littleguy...candie...innuendo.....are you sure you weren't at that UG LI G2G ?

[duffer]

I think you may have placed a desperately needed cap on this particular topic of discussion (or so I hope). IMO... your past two eloquently worded statements, not only "hit the target," but blew it right out of the water.

[jras]

But ... but Candie has a real spiffy website, so she has the moral authority to shit on some swallower from the boondocks. I just love self-righteous sluts.

[jras]

I'm a slut too.

[Rufus Moses]

Could 'yall move this to another thread for reasons previously noted?

[oldtimer]

Rufus,Your a worse cracpot than Candi- You both ought to move
right off this board!

[j1rose]

I love sluts
but with a condom ..........

[Goose]

BORING!!!!

[littleguy]

thorn,

"As much respect as I have for you from the intelligence levels of your posts as IB on JAG and Candi here on UG, I have come to expect better from you then what I have been witness to of late]"

I believe you already know this but "Candie" here is from candiegurl.com and is NOT "IB from JAG". There is also a "Candide" here. Note the spelling. She was IB.

[Andrew25nj]

I dont have the time to read through all the posts in here to decipher the BS from the facts, so I am just gonna ask plain and simple questions:

DOES THIS GIRL HEATHER HAVE A DISEASE?? SHOULD WE AS HOBBYISTS AVOID HER??? WHAT'S THE REAL DEAL??

And I dont wanna hear no BS about "I heard something in confidence blah blah blah". If something is confidential and it could affect the health of every guy in here that has or will see this girl, then I wanna know!!!!

I beleive in safe sex, but every man loves the occasional BBBJ.

CAN ANYONE ANSWER MY QUESTIONS HONESTLY???

[Rufus Moses]

There is no evidence, or even specific speculation, that she has any disease. Some have speculated she is ********. This turns out to not be true. Some have speculated she engages in BBFS. I can't recall anyone saying they experienced that first hand. Many have noted that BBFS is actually not so uncommon in this business, and any reasonable guy should *act as if* every provider has done so.

See how stupid this thread has become? A lot of nothing ends up looking like an indictment. Please allow this somewhat underground provider to recede into the background, as she I think would prefer, by letting this thread die...

[Goose]

Can we let this thread DIE...I am tired of hearing about this one.

Too much BS...not enough fact.

[ramstein]

Originally posted by Andrew25nj

CAN ANYONE ANSWER MY QUESTIONS HONESTLY???

no

[Thorn]

Originally posted by littleguy
thorn,

"As much respect as I have for you from the intelligence levels of your posts as IB on JAG and Candi here on UG, I have come to expect better from you then what I have been witness to of late]"

I believe you already know this but "Candie" here is from candiegurl.com and is NOT "IB from JAG". There is also a "Candide" here. Note the spelling. She was IB.

Yep. I actually did know that, and was reminded of same earlier. It was late and I was full of Nyquil. Apologies to the two ladies if either took offense because I confused the two.

That mix up aside, the points I was attempting to make still stand [even if I was flying at 15,000ft, with no clearance to lad, when I made them :) ]

[jras]

Originally posted by Andrew25nj


CAN ANYONE ANSWER MY QUESTIONS HONESTLY???

Why don't you just ask Whilom when you see her?

Sorry, Rufus, but she' s only slightly less under the radar than Candie.

[littleguy]

Andrew25nj,

Rufus gave you the best answer. jras had a good suggestion. Whilom's probably the only one that can give you the answers you seek. OTOH, it's up to you whether or not you'd trust her answers.


jras,

Only "slightly" less UTR than Candie ? Candie's got her own website and I believe I've seen ads for her website on other sites. Whilom, last I heard, was only found out about on aol chat and through reviews here oand on JAG.

Thorn,

"That mix up aside, the points I was attempting to make still stand [even if I was flying at 15,000ft, with no clearance to lad, when I made them"

I guess you're still "stuffed up". Hope you're better soon. (grin) Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Later, big guy.

[jras]

Originally posted by littleguy

jras,
Only "slightly" less UTR than Candie ? Candie's got her own website and I believe I've seen ads for her website on other sites. Whilom, last I heard, was only found out about on aol chat and through reviews here and on JAG.


Exactly. How many guys do you think saw this info?
10 100 1000 10000?

[RoosterC74]

Guys/Ladies-

I believe that Rufus had a good idea when he posted the following a short time back:

The best thing to do is let this thread die and keep this gal,
who I understand prefers to be a bit more (but not entirely)
under the radar, out of the UG headlines


However, since it appears the thing has not totally died out-I will just state the following information that I have regarding Heather/Whilom:

1-I know of at least 3 trusted friends that spent a fair amount of time with her in the past (mostly between a 14 and 6 months ago). They claimed the following was true of her:
-She was of legal age and carried a Birth Certificate to prove it.
-She was very good at bbbjtc. Sort of sucked every drop out
of a guy.
-There was no mention of bbfs with this young lady from either
of these 3 guys.

2-I had contact with Heather/Whilom about 6 weeks ago. She exchanged some information with me (price, pics, services, etc.). We were scheduled to have a session about 5 weeks ago-which I had to cancel out due to a change in my work schedule. Throughout my exchange of information with her-she seemed quite clear that she did offer bbbjtc but never mentioned anything else about bb.

I offer this information, only in an attempt to bring some clarity to this thread. However, since I do not have personal knowledge about this girl that would be based on a session, it is purely second hand information. Most importantly, the information was gathered from friends in the hobby that I have grown accustomed to trusting with accurate information over the past year or so.

[littleguy]

jras,

About 3300 or so if you can believe Slinky's stats. Of course you have to divide that by the number of times each individual has viewed the thread since I'm sure most have viewed it multiple times. I'm sure I've posted or viewed it at least a dozen times myself.

Besides, being posted about here or on JAG or on *** is not quite the same as having your own website.

Whatever...

[woodman]

Well I have seen Whilom many times. I saw her starting back in April of last year and I'd guess had approx 15 sessions with her. From my experience she always had condoms and we always wrapped. I once asked her about these rumors when the subject came up before and she looked at me like I was nuts. I've done normal sessions with her and even an overnighter. And when I awoke with a "Woody" one of the first things she did was reach to the nightstand to get ready.
Although I can't attest for everything she has done with everyone else I have always found her to be very clean, nice, friendly and catch too much slack here on the boards.
That's all I've got to say.

[Thorn]

Originally posted by littleguy
Thorn,

"That mix up aside, the points I was attempting to make still stand [even if I was flying at 15,000ft, with no clearance to lad, when I made them"

I guess you're still "stuffed up". Hope you're better soon. (grin) Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Later, big guy.

Ah, truth be told, it got worse. Turned into an URI. I'm on the mend now, after a few days of Cipro.

Blah!

[jras]

Cipro tears up my salad maker ... great for beating cholera though.

[Sexyescort2001]

guys,
how about all of you just cut a crap out about Heather aka Whilom, she is a nice girl who likes her job, & she has 2 kids that she needs to support.. Also, if you dont want to get any disease, then simply use protection 100% not only 20% like some of you like to...

[njclassyblonde]

this post about Heather should just die already. You guys read all the stuff about her, use your own judgement, think with your big heads and not your little ones for once. Are there not any other providers in that area that charge the same amount that she does that you can go to.

[biggod]

Hey UG Members

I just finish a session with heather and she is a sweet girl. So for all you guys that bad mouthing her stop. Regarding using protection she does use condom for FS. I personally think she is a great person and I will see her again. For me to drive a hour and half to see a provider she has to be a great person.

[RoosterC74]

BigGod,

Thanks for sharing the information with the Board Members.