what is in a name?

[LIDAWN]

ok I read the whole post about whore prostitute and i am a bit confused..
guys lend me a hand..
i know very well what I do and how i see myself but...... but what kind of classification do you use to seperate the terms, whore, prostitute, provider, slut, call girl, ect..

What is the actual basis for the terms.. I am sure guy has a great speech for me as always.
( I love that about him)
so the point is what

SLUT- gives it away cause she likes it and so do you!!! wants a nbeer first or a smoke..? probably condom free but not std

HOOKER- gives it away cheap or in a car, not so clean hygiene wise, 50 dollars opens any orfice most likely? maybe a lot of skin to skin sex maybe a std or 2 but mostly clean...

WHORE- has a pimp and a schedule anytime as many as can handlle usually dresses cheap and baths less than she gets off? usually has low education level but not always.. and low self esteem. dresses cheap but neat ..

PROSTITUTE- pimp or pimps self, reg clients, higher rate..mostly clean, repeaters all day ,fairly well groomed. always safe.... higher self esteem, probably high school graduate... or vocational or maybe more..
possibly a learner and wiser than you think about the world..


PROVIDER- more intimate ,involved, costly ,friendly.. repeat s performances as requested..? clean ,few daily clients educated on many levels even if just school or street smart but carries herself well, well groomed, good conversational ist, pleasent attitude.. learns from others absorbs knowledge and improves herself regularily

CALL GIRL- high priced gfe, long term dates public meals and events. does most of everything no more than two per day if that very clean well dressed, educated, manicured ect... she loves life and likes what she does .. non damaged.. expensive up keep.. street smart and well educated on many levels about many topics.. well read welll traveled... excellent sensual sexy out on the town kinda girl?


WIFE- wink- you pay for it all and you get it once a week with minor complaints and probably a bath robe.. but she will do laundry cook and babysit at all times.. with minimal problems... ( I am teasing guys wink!!!)

my girl friend and I are sitting here giggling about this because the terms are so loosely used.. as per situation
what do u think? please feel free to laugh with me on this.. it is meant in good fun..
hugzzz dawn

[Edited by LIDAWN on 02-25-2001 at 11:10 AM]

[Ozzy]

very good dawn except that wife belongs lower on that list.



btw sweetheart...did you get my e-mail? :cool: :cool: :cool:

[HornDogBuddah]

For the non-Romantics among us, I would guess that the terminology used for women who provide sexual services in exchange for money does not result from socioeconomic stratification. All of your terms are in the same genre, with the exception of slut and wife. I'll start with those two first. A slut can be a wife and a wife can act like a slut. Typically, the slut badge requires some level of promiscuity and lack of selectivity. Wifey achieves slutdom either by sharing her favors with the multitudes (with or without hubby's approval) or acting/performing in as uninhibited a manner as to satisfy hubby's definition of sluttish behavior (whatever that might be -- BBBJ might fully satisfy someone's idea of conduct beyond the pale).

All of the other terms mean the same thing. At different times, and when vocalized using different inflections, tones, and other nonverbal behaviors, there may be many variations of endearment or denigration implied.

To think that a "provider" is different (i.e., "better" or higher status) from a "hooker," "prostitute," or "whore" is all in how one sees what looks back at her from a mirror. For most of us clients, your terms are nonpejorative descriptors that merely differentiate between people who provide sex for money and people who provide sex for other reasons (and who do not accept cash on the barrelhead as a precondition for sex).

[Slinky Bender]

"people who provide sex for other reasons"

Those are usually way too expensive, so I stick with providers - the low cost alternative.

[guy catelli]

Originally posted by slinkybender
"people who provide sex for other reasons"

Those are usually way too expensive, so I stick with providers - the low cost alternative.

"better for less." ;)

[One Eyed Trouser Trout]

This was funny.

I appreciate your stability to be able to offer this up for laffs.

What do the girls call us johns?

Tricks, johns, paydaddy, clients, dicks with ATMS???

This side of the equation should be equally as funny.

[Carl M]

Very funny sweets, basically the wife ends up costing you the most- come on everyone knows that!!

[LIDAWN]

working on it be patient ..
we will use
pimp, client, john, sugar daddy
bfe

any other suggestions i am working on it with a big smle on my face..
thanks for the agreed giggle..
hugzz dawn


[Edited by LIDAWN on 02-26-2001 at 10:19 AM]

[LIDAWN]

up early i see.. caught me in the act huh.. iss that my phone ringing..
hugzz dawn

[Carl M]

Are we in a good mood I see sweets! Lit a candle with a 6 pointed star for you!

[LIDAWN]

thank you my mot baby!
I need it i also appriciate all of the care you put into the thoughts.. i am waiting very impatiently...
I am grateful for this and the other wonderful things you have done in the past..
Hugzz my mot baby
DAWN xxoo

[LIDAWN]

yes i did.. you are understood loud and clear.. no cell phone errors here.. wink..
hope to chat with you son .. i must be near silver now i think..
HUGZZ dawn

[Carl M]

Originally posted by LIDAWN
yes i did.. you are understood loud and clear.. no cell phone errors here.. wink..
hope to chat with you son .. i must be near silver now i think..
HUGZZ dawn

Step it up sweets- you will be the first provider at Silver- Hey Crazy Train man where can we go to celibrate for Dawn becoming Silver!!

[LIDAWN]

gads i must be a million posts away..
Carl what are you doing at work anyway working?
or playing you post here a lot i bet your boss does not know what you do.. wink...
I am not gonna tell though cause i like it....
hugzz dawn

[Carl M]

Are you kidding me, thats why I work here- LOL! Post a few lines on UG, make a few calls a t work you know the drill!!

[justme]

In my mind, 'whore' and 'hooker' have a pejorative connotation and so I don't use them. 'Prostitute' carries no symantic baggage in my mind and tends to be my word of choice, but I'll often use 'providor' as a concession to those who find the term 'prostitute' to be offensive. On the whole, however, I think that 'providor' is too general a term on the whole. Call girl, escort, and the like seem to me to be rather outdated euphamisms which serve little linguistic purpose.

[guy catelli]

Originally posted by justme
'Prostitute' carries no symantic baggage in my mind...

it's nice to know that you're not being intentionally abusive.

but, the irreducible fact is that calling someone a "prostitute" is, at common law, defamatory, in that impugns the reputation of the person so deemed in the eyes of the community.

if the substance of the defamation is true, then there is no remedy for it at law. if it is false, both compensatory and punitive damages are available. but, to emphasize: true or false, the statement is still defamatory!

you can have any private idiosyncratic response to the term yourself (as i do, btw). it's the social understanding that's relevant here, because UG is a social context.

you present yourself as someone who is intelligent and articulate. by contrast, Ozzy (claims) he doesn't read books, makes no pretense of having Mensan SAT scores, etc, yet has no trouble grasping that you don't call someone something they don't want to be called, unless you're looking to pick a fight and/or drive them off.

so, the question remains: why do continue to miss (or evade) the whole point?

[justme]

'Prostitute' is defamitory in the social context of the United States because prostitutes are viewed in a very pejorative light, I don't believe that within the subculture of hobby related posters it carries the same baggage. Is this so hard to understand?

There's this stupid debate that come up every few years that involves the proper name for those in the United States whose ancestry comes from Romantic Language speaking countries in the western hemisphere. Many of these people object to being called 'Hispanic', 'Latin American', 'Latino/a', or whatever. When I run across such people, I make it a rule to ignore their requests (and usually also deliver a pretty heated monolog about the importance of choosing your fights and a reminder of the current status of race relations in the US).

Verbal abuse is a form of communication, which is the responsibility of both the author and the decoder. If someone is offended (or 'abused') by language that isn't abusive then whose 'fault' is that?

[guy catelli]

Originally posted by justme:
'Prostitute' is defamitory in the social context of the United States because prostitutes are viewed in a very pejorative light, I don't believe that within the subculture of hobby related posters it carries the same baggage. Is this so hard to understand?

it's easy to understand, but completely mistaken.

the word has had pejorative connotations in every time and place. in this particular subculture, there have been endless requests by women, and many men, that the word not be used. it's banned on ***. all of this gets back to the question of what's really going on here, since the truth of what i've just written is perfectly obvious.

There's this stupid debate that come up every few years that involves the proper name for those in the United States whose ancestry comes from Romantic Language speaking countries in the western hemisphere. Many of these people object to being called 'Hispanic', 'Latin American', 'Latino/a', or whatever. When I run across such people, I make it a rule to ignore their requests (and usually also deliver a pretty heated monolog about the importance of choosing your fights and a reminder of the current status of race relations in the US).

that's your 'insider' perogative (just as Dawn was exercising her insider perogative above). it isn't the perogative of 'outsiders'.

Verbal abuse is a form of communication, which is the responsibility of both the author and the decoder. If someone is offended (or 'abused') by language that isn't abusive then whose 'fault' is that?

we're not talking about some exceptional individual's personal idiosyncrasy. we're talking about an entire class of people. you can assign 'fault' however you wish; but the fact remains that one doesn't call someone something members of their group widely don't want to be called unless one is looking for a fight.

{sighs}

[Edited by guy catelli on 02-26-2001 at 03:00 PM]

[robnotbob]

In every communications course I have taken, the precept is that it is the "sender's" job to be understood, not the "receiver". So if the Receiver feels that what ever language you are using is abusive, it is.

This world is about communication, those that can "feel someone's pain" and empathize with another are described as "someone like me", "someone I can trust", and "someone I can do business with"..Hence the 8 year hoax that our ex President pulled on this country.

anyway, if you seek to be understood and heard and you are not successful, take a look at the way you are "being".

Life is a conversation.

rnb: spouting his new age philosophy AND taking responsibility if he is not understood :)



[Edited by robnotbob on 02-26-2001 at 02:58 PM]

[jmcurry]

Robnotbob is right. "Life is a conversation."

Accordingly, we need to analyze the semiotic implications of any signifier which we try to append to "providers." As Saussure noted in his lectures on general linguistics, "in language there are only differences." We each bring our own meanings to this discourse on UG, which collectively supports an hermeneutic conclusion that everyone's interpretation is equally valid. So, one "hobbyist's" "prostitute" is another "john's" "whore."

Suffice it to say that, at least in the United States, mainstream, conservative critics disparage all these terms, as they relate to both the women and men engaged in the "hobby." What we choose to call each other is secondary to the villification heaped on all of us by those standing outside the circle. (So LE feels justified in its pursuit.) Maybe we should adopt the most odious and pernicious of terms, embracing them as a way of claiming ownership of our "hobby" and as a means of mocking those who are so unenlightened that they can righteously condemn that which they cannot understand.

[Ozzy]

i should have you know that i scored a 1300 on my sat's, hard as it may be to fathom. i also attended carnige mellon and was also excepted to BC and Cornell.......my second and third choices........:cool:



ozzy's no dummy....he just can't type.

[guy catelli]

good point. that's why i added the qualifiers "(claims) ... makes no pretense of ... "

btw, am i a henchman?

[Slinky Bender]

I don't know, are you ?

[guy catelli]

Originally posted by slinkybender
I don't know, are you ?

depends on what's entailed. i can tell you right now that i'm not going to do what Ozzy did to get silver ;)

[frog]

he may be an APM but is not an AKM.

[frog]

You should see what he had to do for the GOLD...

[LIDAWN]

gads i posted this discussion for fun....
now i see what it gets me.. i can tell you this however..
all in good fun
by the vivacious jellybean:

a man whom calls me whore shall pay no more..( or see me)
a man who call me slut may suk his own nut ( gads)

a man who calls me prostitute can play his own flute.

a gentleman who calls me and asks nicely to see me will be give the most incredible experience i have to offer and it will be delivered with a smile... and much much more...


Now that she and I have made an out ragious rhyme and devulged my un ladylike manner to the whole of ug.. I would just like to reiterate
guys this was for fun...
However the romatic photographer type is sounding really really good......

LOve you all and I will erase the poem my friend jelly bean wrote here if you find it offensive in any way ..Ii promise..
Hugzz to my buddies..Ii am currently insearch of a new topic to spice up the scene..
xxoo Dawn

[Ezrlove]

[ by the vivacious jellybean:

a man whom calls me whore shall pay no more..( or see me)
a man who call me slut may suk his own nut ( gads)

a man who calls me prostitute can play his own flute.

a gentleman who calls me and asks nicely to see me will be give the most incredible experience i have to offer and it will be delivered with a smile... and much much more...



Bravo to Jellybean

[LIDAWN]

So glad somebody got it and laughed out loud with me.. no harm no foul..
Hugz EZ i miss you....
maybe she and i should start a new career and retire and write dirty limericks..
What do u think..?
hugzzz dawn

[nj george]

no offense taken at all dawn!! i thought it was funny! personally i think hooker/whore terms are offensive to ladies in your line of work. for some reason i hate the term provider(too cold, lacks intimacy, implies a strickly business attitude...and you know how i feel about that!) i prefer escort. but then again...that's just me.

[OCharley]

There once was a man from Nantuket......

[nj george]

just a quick addendum.....the term i like to use most often is.......friend.

say dawn....you loose my e-mail addy or somethin'? just teasing!

[Ezrlove]

Originally posted by LIDAWN
So glad somebody got it and laughed out loud with me.. no harm no foul..
Hugz EZ i miss you....
maybe she and i should start a new career and retire and write dirty limericks..
What do u think..?
hugzzz dawn



RETIRE??????????????

No way Dawn, the Cajun Princess can't leave us.

[Carl M]

Originally posted by OCharley
There once was a man from Nantuket......

I gotta better one. There once was a man from Sydney who put it in up to her kidney, along came a man from Quebec, he put it in up to her neck, he had a big one didn't he!

[guy catelli]

http://www.ariz.com/mensa/humor/whore.html

[Carl M]

Yikes!

[Edited by Carl M on 02-27-2001 at 11:09 AM]

[Carl M]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by LIDAWN
[B] gads i posted this discussion for fun....
now i see what it gets me.. i can tell you this however..
all in good fun
by the vivacious jellybean:
xxoo Dawn

Fun is the Key!Sometimes some of us take things too seriously- Geez we gotta mellow out. Dawn your 100% on the mark! Thats what this board is here for- is it not!

[LIDAWN]

i get giddi when i get up.. lol
however anyone from the south familiar with ACT not sat
i got a 27 out of a possible 31 soooo
she may be blonde but when her roots show she is smart..
lolol
hugzz babies..

[justme]

Originally posted by nj george
the term i like to use most often is.......friend.

In my life, I've never had a friend charge me for their time and companionship. Usually (as surprising as this may seem to some of you) my time and companionship were seen as adequate compensation.

[Eye Won]

I didn't realize how sensative you where,,,,,I need a tissue, I think im gonna cry..........
Imperialone.......Out

[billyS]

Check out the big time Fluffing in this one.

[TuckernotSucker]

I guess they were in love or lust at that time. LOL Dangerous, very dangerous.

[girlnow67]

we were neither. he was a friend who i thought i could trust and when he wanted free time all the time i had to remind him about the relationships nature.. sure lunches are occassionally on me.. but not hours..
check with tucker on these rules he wrote them