It's lonely at the .... well wherever it is that I am

[Slinky Bender]

I still constantly hear stories about how I did this or that with this or that agencie girl or indpendent How I met some girl and coerced a freebie out of her. How I demand special treament for all sorts fo touring girls.

I only wish it were so. years ago I used to be someone in this business. Everyone who was anyone knew who i was and where I stood in the industry. Now, all I get is disrespect form all sides. Girls who take advantage of my good graces by nor paying their bills. I never get invited out anymore (and freebies, well that's not even a concept). I don't even get "how are you doing" emials when touring girl come thru town or asked out for coffee. All i get is BS "Oh, we'll get togather some time when I'm in town, and them blown off because there always seems to be something more pressing.

I don't know why I should be surprised. I'm not who I used to be, why should I get treated like I still am? I guess it would just be more respectful not to BS me, but look at the group who we are talkng about.

What's my point? You're only as good as the last $ you spent with these girls. It doens't matter what favors you've doen for them: those they "deserve" and have comming top them". If you are looking for any sort of reciprocitiy, you're bark up teh wrong tree. You want payback? Make slimey underground/backchannel deals for freebies with these girl, bercause thats the only thing they respect. And when they tell you they care about you and want to help, make sure to cover your wallet.

[Bandaid]

That's what turns me off about the whole P4P business - like a broken record, I say the essence of the sex business is 'get all you can from the johns and give as little as possible back.' NP4P isn't all that different, either.

[biohazard]

That's what turns me off about the whole P4P business - like a broken record, I say the essence of the sex business is 'get all you can from the johns and give as little as possible back.' NP4P isn't all that different, either.

hell,i see that in regular business too

[vermeer]

Do all review site owners get under the table freebies? I would assume that is the only legit reason to do this.

Maybe i should start my own review baord. exclusive reviews of hos whos anuses got drilled deep by vermeer.

[justme]

What's the definition of insanity?

[paperpusher]

After reading the above posts, I cant help but be surprised. Two extremely seasoned mongorers who know the game quite well, having false expectations from these ladies? These women are here for the most part to sample what you are unlikely to sample on a consistent basis. They are here for variety of looks, body types and sexual performence. Like going to different types of restaurants, the meal is enjoyed,digested and nothing more than a memory.

If you are expecting respect, tribute or honesty from women who re dealing with the scum of mankind and are groped and treated like objects daily by very older and in some cases fat and unattractive men, then you are engaging in temporary insanity. LOL
Some are beaten and others are drug users. Some have been molested by family members or date rape. Most live in a predatorial environment.

I think alot of people are hanging out with the wrong kind of women, with some of the things said on this board There are loving caring loyal, nurturing, healthy good looking women out there. Please find them.

I realize everything I just said you already know. That fact that you are not numb to these women by now does surprise me.

[Axe]

Business ethics (including the sex biz) took a body-slam in the 90s and never recovered.

[thevenerablebede]

Johns have feelings too.

[Lascivious]

I learned in Life, no matter what arena you're in, it's always what have you done for me lately?

[Monk]

And "what's in it for me?"

[justlooking]

Aren't there other better places you could be looking for companionship and friendship?

[Ryanscot]

I learned in Life, no matter what arena you're in, it's always what have you done for me lately?

Damn, that is so true.

[Ozzy]

Aren't there other better places you could be looking for companionship and friendship?


Like strip clubs?

[Ozzy]

I bet Bender still gets plenty of respect in those tranny brothels.

[Monk]

I bet Bender still gets plenty of respect in those tranny brothels.

It's always good to know who your friends really are.

[Bandaid]

Aren't there other better places you could be looking for companionship and friendship?
Not for everyone. Some guys love the chase; I hated it, because I'm no good at it, and social losers have less options. 45% of the people on this board said they get laid "less than once a month" or "never," unless they pay for it.

[justlooking]

Like strip clubs?

I said friends not "friends".

[justlooking]

Not for everyone. Some guys love the chase; I hated it, because I'm no good at it, and social losers have less options. 45% of the people on this board said they get laid "less than once a month" or "never," unless they pay for it.

I don't think we're talking about just getting laid (and I don't think this applies to Slinky Bender in any event).

[Duckman]

I (think I) now understand Slinky's tagline.

[Hyabby]

If you are expecting respect, tribute or honesty from women who re dealing with the scum of mankind and are groped and treated like objects daily by very older and in some cases fat and unattractive men, then you are engaging in temporary insanity.

That is generally true ... except when it's not.

[Thorn]

It's funny, but I can sort of relate.

I retired from my main profession about a year and a half ago. I was mid-level management but an out spoken mover and shaker none-the-less so I was fairly well known among my own.

People told "Thorn" stories. I figured I had something of a legacy of sorts. Not present, but not forgotten. Man, oh man, was I wrong.

Eigteen months have gone by and already its becoming like I was never there. A whole sea of new faces, none of whom know who the fuck I am, or could care less. I was just like anyone else to them. A nobody. Worse. I was a nobody who wanted to tell them all about how I was a somebody. {laughing at myself}

We really do just fade away. Pretty quickly at that.

[DaveNJ]

I don't know why I should be surprised.

You shouldn't be. It seems to be the way of things. I'm sure you yourself have done the same, whether you realize it or not.

Without a doubt, it sucks that things are the way they are sometimes. But don't let yourself be surprised by them.

[Gavvy Cravath]

I still constantly hear stories about how I did this or that with this or that agencie girl or indpendent How I met some girl and coerced a freebie out of her. How I demand special treament for all sorts fo touring girls.

I only wish it were so. years ago I used to be someone in this business. Everyone who was anyone knew who i was and where I stood in the industry. Now, all I get is disrespect form all sides. Girls who take advantage of my good graces by nor paying their bills. I never get invited out anymore (and freebies, well that's not even a concept). I don't even get "how are you doing" emials when touring girl come thru town or asked out for coffee. All i get is BS "Oh, we'll get togather some time when I'm in town, and them blown off because there always seems to be something more pressing.

I don't know why I should be surprised. I'm not who I used to be, why should I get treated like I still am? I guess it would just be more respectful not to BS me, but look at the group who we are talkng about.

What's my point? You're only as good as the last $ you spent with these girls. It doens't matter what favors you've doen for them: those they "deserve" and have comming top them". If you are looking for any sort of reciprocitiy, you're bark up teh wrong tree. You want payback? Make slimey underground/backchannel deals for freebies with these girl, bercause thats the only thing they respect. And when they tell you they care about you and want to help, make sure to cover your wallet.


This post hits way too close to home here, Slinky. It is very similar to my Roosevelt Avenue/b-girl scene. Yeeah, it's great getting all those calls from 6 different girls in the middle of the night. And the adoration you get when you come in; but it's all about the wallet.

And why don't they answer the calls at 3 PM on a Sunday (unless they know dinner/82nd Street/Queens Center is involved). Do I get laid as a result? Yeah, sometimes, but it's too much effort.

I don't feel very happy about myself when I allow this to happen to me.

Gavy

[Gavvy Cravath]

I think alot of people are hanging out with the wrong kind of women, with some of the things said on this board There are loving caring loyal, nurturing, healthy good looking women out there. Please find them.

Please stop pointing out what I don't want to accept.

[Gavvy Cravath]

Aren't there other better places you could be looking for companionship and friendship?

That being said, I'm up for hitting Atlantis next weekend. Anyone else down?

[Gavvy Cravath]

I said friends not "friends".

Are you implying that strippers and b-girls don't like me for "me"?

[seeker6591]

We really do just fade away. Pretty quickly at that.



great post Thorn!

the same thing happens to famous generals and former UG moderators. lol

Gen. Douglas MacArthur recognized this fate about 57 years ago.

[justme]

Are you implying that strippers and b-girls don't like me for "me"?

He saying that you should derive from people what they are best able to provide. I'm sure your b-girls understand that in the reptilian part of their brains. You should too.

[Thorn]

I don't know why I should be surprised. I'm not who I used to be, why should I get treated like I still am?

Like I said, I think I can relate to some degree.

If it means anything my friend, you are still cool in my book. :)

[bangbroads]

Man oh man is this section depressing as hell! But its needed and show the real side to the hobby um "addiction" Sometimes I wonder am I misguided when I think my vice is better than all my friends who drink, snort, smoke, shoot, pop pills to numbness. Is gambling, drinkin really worse. I thought women and sex was more natural. The lesser of all the evils. I guess I was wrong. Im no better than my friend blowin snow up his nose on the daily. maybe this the worst hobby emotionally and monetarily. I dont know how some guys have dedicated their whole life to the game and gave up being square forever. I dont got it in me. I notice its only fun when you do it once in a blue. once it becomes habitual its not fun and gets worse with each visit. Strip clubs, brothels, outcalls, and streetwalkers the downfall of straight men who love the lady candy too much. maybe porn and playboy is where its at.

[Monk]

It's funny, but I can sort of relate.

I retired from my main profession about a year and a half ago. I was mid-level management but an out spoken mover and shaker none-the-less so I was fairly well known among my own.

People told "Thorn" stories. I figured I had something of a legacy of sorts. Not present, but not forgotten. Man, oh man, was I wrong.

Eigteen months have gone by and already its becoming like I was never there. A whole sea of new faces, none of whom know who the fuck I am, or could care less. I was just like anyone else to them. A nobody. Worse. I was a nobody who wanted to tell them all about how I was a somebody. {laughing at myself}

We really do just fade away. Pretty quickly at that.

That's so true. I think a lot of women face this issue when they leave their profession/career to raise kids, thinking that they can jump back in whenever they decide to go back. Well, it's never that easy.

[MrFreeze451]

As I read this, all I could think was that Neil Young said it best....

"It's better to burn out
Than to fade away"


I love and relate to that quote and to the notion of fading away on so many levels....

[UG Staff]

Live hard, die young and leave a good looking corpse.

[MrFreeze451]

Live hard, die young and leave a good looking corpse.

What old movie is that originally from? Ozzy?

[UG Staff]

Knock on Any Door

[justlooking]

You'll note that Neil Young hasn't exactly chosen to LIVE according to those lines.

[MrFreeze451]

Knock on Any Door

I just found it.... but it is Live Fast, Die young leave a good looking corpse.

[Monk]

You'll note that Neil Young hasn't exactly chosen to LIVE according to those lines.

No, but you have to give him brownie points for trying really hard (or fast, or whatever it is).

[xango_de_sade]

Greetings to one and all.

My thoughts, if it's getting boring STOP DOING IT. Exercise a little self-control. Take a break from it. The desire and fun element will come back quicker than you can imagine.

If you can stop doing something for 30 days you can stop doing it for LIFE if you want to. If you don't have control in this or any area of your life you're in trouble. Start with a more reasonable amount of time and work up to 30 days.

I'm going on 20 years in the music business now. Sometimes I get treated like absolute royalty, other times I get treated like a criminal or a homeless person. I've gotten freebies from girls, I've also gotten overcharged and bait-and-switched on occasion, but both things have been RARE. Most of the time I pay more or less what everybody else is paying. I guess that's why traditional Hinduism didn't allow people to receive gifts, it can skew your perceptions of things sometimes. Or Shakespeare's "neither a borrower nor a lender be", or the Tao Teh Ching, etc. I think there's a certain beauty in neither being on top of a situation nor on the bottom, but just being in balance.

[Portia Phoenix]

That's what turns me off about the whole P4P business - like a broken record, I say the essence of the sex business is 'get all you can from the johns and give as little as possible back.' NP4P isn't all that different, either.

I honestly think it's a real shame that the idea of delivering a quality experience is all but non existent in so many industries these days .... putting more effort in, whilst it maybe more demanding in the short term is unquestionably better in the long run ...

[skudd]

Die young stay pretty... Blondie

[skudd]

Man oh man is this section depressing as hell! But its needed and show the real side to the hobby um "addiction" Sometimes I wonder am I misguided when I think my vice is better than all my friends who drink, snort, smoke, shoot, pop pills to numbness. Is gambling, drinkin really worse. I thought women and sex was more natural. The lesser of all the evils. I guess I was wrong. Im no better than my friend blowin snow up his nose on the daily. maybe this the worst hobby emotionally and monetarily. I dont know how some guys have dedicated their whole life to the game and gave up being square forever. I dont got it in me. I notice its only fun when you do it once in a blue. once it becomes habitual its not fun and gets worse with each visit. Strip clubs, brothels, outcalls, and streetwalkers the downfall of straight men who love the lady candy too much. maybe porn and playboy is where its at.

This is an old thread, but the topic has been brought up in a more current one. Yet i feel this mongers pain. However for me, if in fact i am addicted... and i could be.. ... is that this hobby serves as balance if you can in fact LIMIT and control yourself. If you are spending all your money, if you are going to hurt yourself or someone else, if you are going to slip into the abyss of " lady candy" then you are obviously not in control. So how does one get control of his behavior without self destructing... that is the age old question for all addictions....

[malenympho78]

its ok to go to the escorts once and a while but not to over do it. go out and meet regular women and get a real girl. until that happens hobby with the escorts just dont over do it.