what is the rang eof fair provider prices incall to out call pse to gfe to manniquin

[LIDAWN]

i am curious
i note that the ranges are from $$ to $$$$
some claim pse and some claim gfe.. what maks a girl that high and some that low?
what is the average range and what does a gentkleman really expect from any of them.. a quickie at 2 or a 3 coffee run at $$$$ what is the norm.. being involved for only 3 months i am not sure what really is the going what for what out there.. if this is tsupid please do not answer sorry just ignore it.. just a curious girl wondering about the whole of it i try to keep up and competitive and be fun but fair..
long island dawn utopia link or
http://www.cajuncumfort .com.. ps under construction on faq please ignore half of it it was a mess up on part not my info someone elses.. i am not a personnal trainor lol he will fix that i hope soon...
and yes 28 is the correct age..
lol Dawn

[guy catelli]

a really great question, Dawn.

i watched the beginning of the online clip of the first segment of 20/20's ongoing 'insextigation' of cyberscorting. Chris Wallace did the interview (he is so lame that i thought to myself: no escort in her senses should give him a bbbj for a penny less than 10 x $. imagine how differently the interview would have gone if ABC had had the brains to have, say, Lauren Hutton do the interview? ;))

the interviewee was a charming and pretty ("retired") Las Vegas escort named Summer (if i recall correctly). needless to say, the first few of Wallaces lame-o questions were about the $. and, equally needless to say, when Summer said she gave a 50% discount to writers, i stood up and applauded!

this reminds me of an old Hollywood joke that is un-PC on more than one score.

q: how do you know a starlet is Polish?

a: she goes to bed with the writer.

but, kidding aside, Dawn, you know that i always try to be helpful. :) so, i will try to provide a broad guideline for your possible consideration.

those who have been following the boards for awhile have noted that wsb and i have practically come to blows over a number of issues. and yet, we both share the same clear-eyed vision where $'s are concerned: there's a whole lotta luvin out there for $$/hr. and, for $$$$/hr, beautiful and accomplished artists and intellectuals are available -- conveniently located, complimentary shower and refreshments, non-clockwatching -- the works.

beyond that (the rare exception notwithstanding), a client gets 'bragging rights' about how much he overpaid. since many parvenus are in that category, if you come across one, by all means, babe, Take the Money and Run http://www.filmsite.org/take.html ;)

[Edited by guy catelli on 02-18-2001 at 01:41 PM]

[guy catelli]

Dawn, here's another (self-servingly ;)) 'helpful' formula for your possible consideration.

younger clients are, by virtually unanimous consensus, more 'work' -- in several senses. so, an age-based sliding scale could be used to account for the difference in the amount of 'work' entailed.

for example, divide the client's age in years into 10,000 (the 'index number'). this ratio would be the fee for your first hour of time and companionship. (you can choose whatever index number suits you -- 5000, 20,000, whatever. a way that some clients would find clever and interesting, and that would partially take into account economic circumstances in the outside world, would be to use the Dow as your index number. as of last friday's close, the Dow stood at 10,800 http://finance.yahoo.com/q?d=t&s=^DJI but, for ease of computation, i'll use 10,000 in this example.)

for some representative (and easy to divide) examples, see the table below.

age of
client; fee for 1st hr
==== ================
25; 10,000/25 = $400
30; 10,000/30 = $333
33; 10,000/33 = $300
40; 10,000/40 = $250
50; 10,000/50 = $200
100; 10,000/100= $100

i mean, how much 'work' could a 100-year old client be?

[Edited by guy catelli on 02-18-2001 at 02:11 PM]

[Ozzy]

dawn.......very easy.

SUPPLY AND DEMAND!

but a good track record makes a lot of difference too.

[guy catelli]

considerations in a fee schedule -- part 3.

Dawn, here's still another (self-servingly ;)) 'helpful' formula for your possible consideration.

you and i both know that the costs of adding time are very real, no matter what the unaware might imagine. however, the largest part of an escort's fixed overhead is already paid for in the first hour. the greatest of these costs are health-risk, safety-risk, and LE-risk, none of which increase greatly after the first hour. and, after the first hour, even a 25-year old wants mainly 'talk.' ;)

one way of determining the rate for multiple hours would be to divide the fee for your first hour by each additional hour.

for example, if your client is 33, your first hour's fee is $300. (10,000/33)

then, your 2nd hour's fee is $150. (300/2)

your 3rd hour's fee is $100. (300/3)

your 4th hour's fee is $75. (300/4)

so, the total for a 4-hour date would be $525. (300 + 150 + 100 + 75)

that's, say, for a hunk of a guy staying 2 blocks away. ;)

you can always multiply by a 'premium', depending upon circumstances.

say you pick a premium of 1.5; then:

2nd hour = $225. (1.5 x 150)

3rd hour = $150. (1.5 x 100)

4th hour = $100. (1.5 x 75, minus the small change)

then, the total for 4 hours would be $775. (300 + 225 + 150 + 100) throw in $25 to round off the number, and it's $800 -- not out of line with existing rates.

[Tankcommander]

Even though we work at Kmart, McDonalds, or for the government in some non- LE capacity, we need some lovin too LOL. Many of us take home less than 250 a week and so, I for one am glad that there are providers out there who charge under 250.

[Slinky Bender]

Sorry to say that the real answers are extremely complex and really don't make much sense. An awful lot of what makes the price is simply bluster/adversising/marketing. One of the best examples of this is that two ladies were recently providing extremely similar service ( and even working out of the same apartment ), and had similar level of "looks" ( whatever that means ), but one was charging double what the other was.

Take the recent comments about the ladies who were working at the recently busted Glamour Roses ( i.e. they were getting between $1K and $4k and hour, but the comments that I heard was that most were - looks wise - simialr to $400/hr workers ). I have certainly seen ladies at the $30/15 minutes quickie houses which were the equal of some $300/hr workers. The one consistant group seems to be the Porn Stars ( but even there exists great fluctuations from one person to the next, and not necessarily totally based on some objective criteria ).

Add to all of this the fact that prices are not fixed, and that on any given day ( especially with an independant ) the price of any given appointment can fluctuate 50/100% ( depends on how you calculate the percentage - those garmentos call marking the price from $200 to $400 a 50% mark-up, so....... ).

The few common things tend to be:

1) Location. The gorgeous woman who can get $2K/hr in NY probably starves if she tries that in Idaho ( riddle: Two potatos are walking down the street. How can you tell which one's the provider ? )

2) Age: While my general experience has shown that providers in general are much better service wise over 30, the market usually places a premium on youth. Why should this market be different than so many others ? Sorry, ladies, just another example of the inequities in life between the sexes.

3) Looks. This is simple. While you can't get to a certain level with poor service, you can't get to a certain level without looks. There are not any ( that I know of ) $2k ladies below a certain "looks level", no matter how good their service. OTOH, there are some "models" out there with lackluster service and astronomical rates ( they just don't get a lot of repreat business, but then a bunch of them don't need it ).

4) Service. no matter what your looks, you need to provide a service commensurate with your $ if you wnt reutrn business/recommendations. At $1K, there's just some things that need to happen for anyone to think they got their $ worth.

Not withstanding the foregoing, the market is far from "perfect". Part of this is simply because the perception of quality will vary from consumer to consumer. For example, someone who doesn't care for BBW will think that one is "worth' ( we're talking services, not "as a person, so please no flames ) substantially less than someone who has that "bent". Someone who is a real "breast man" will think that someone with those attributes ( that attribute ? Is it one pair or do the get considered individually ? ) is "worth" more that someone without.

In any given market, I'm sure that there are some workers who exceed others in all the above categories, but are still at a lower price point. Part of this is due to how many appointments the worker wants/needs. The same person could set a high price point an be comfortable with two appointments a week, or a lower price point and have 4 a day.

You know something, forget everything I said. It's a complex economic model and we'd need a semester and a half to cover it. Prerequisites are Micro Econ 101, Macro Econ 101, and Applied Cost/Benefit Analysis. Class will be given in the Fall Semester of 2001.

[Phantom]

SB, HOW DOES one tell which of the two potatoes walking down the street in Idaho is a provider?

[Ozzy]

shake your wallet and see which one comes to you.

[guy catelli]

really great survey of the various factors, SB. i'd like to add that all of these 'explanations' are really descriptions of the circumstances surrounding a price after it has been obtained (supposedly), rather than 'predictions' of what prices would obtain for a different escort now or at some point in the future.

even in the world of civilian commerce, with loads of MBAs working on the problem, the only way to really know what the price 'should' be ... is good ole 'trial and error'.

if i were an independent, i wouldn't put any price on my web site or other marketing materials. i might say that "my fees are competitive", and leave it at that until a prospective client made what seemed like a serious inquiry.

for starters, i'd have something in mind as my 'cover charge' for showing up. then, depending upon who the client was, and what she wanted, i'd negotiate a price for her individual session.

if she were just looking for a dinner companion, that would be one fee. if she were expecting me to also go down on her, that would be a different fee, and so on.

then, even if my clients compared prices with one another, i could say to the ones who paid more that they also got more, because the lower priced session didn't include (whatever).

and, as SB has made clear, an important factor is the escort's own goals. we don't know what yours are, and it's none of our business. but, for example, the 'casual escort' might not really need the money, but might enjoy the 'trip' on those occasions when a guy is willing to fork over big bucks for someone presentable to come to his hotel room at 1 in the morning.

another escort might be a single mom with some serious expenses related to the needs of one or more of her children. she is likely to be a revenue-maximizer who sets her fee to optimize the price times number of clients booked.

a third, and i've read a number of these on the boards, might set a fee below revenue maximization, because she prefers grateful Kmart shoppers (to use Tankcommander's metaphor) to arrogant Giorgio Armani shoppers.

this may sound like an 'excuse' on their part. but, actually, it is consistent with what escorts have told me privately is their number one complaint about clients. contrary to what's posted on asp-boards, it's not client hygiene. rather, it's client arrogance.

say a guy whose father eked out a living pushing a moving cart himself (because the horse had already died from the strain) is a proctologist making a seven figure income. if someone he's just paid a big fee doesn't 'jump to' when he barks an order, his ego is threatened; so, he throws a tantrum. some escorts would rather avoid clients like that in the first place, so they lower their fee accordingly, in order to be more selective at their end.

[Slinky Bender]

Phantom,
You're trying to get me in trouble, huh ?

[Edited by slinkybender on 02-18-2001 at 07:16 PM]

[Phantom]

:p

Sorry SB, but YOU posed a question. After pondering on the possible answer and being unable to come up with one, I decided to ask the APM, HOW DOES one tell which..........

[Edited by Phantom on 02-18-2001 at 07:28 PM]

[Phantom]

Besides SB, just what is the heading of this particularsection on UG, "CHEAP THRILLS"

[Edited by Phantom on 02-18-2001 at 07:37 PM]

[Slinky Bender]

OK, so two potatoes are walking down the street, how do you tell which one is the provider ? Well, what might be printed on the side of that one ? ( the clue is just before the riddle in that orignal post ).

[Ozzy]

you walk up to one and make her an offer.....


if she slaps you, then you know it's the other one. ;)

[Phantom]

I dunno. Maybe one has grown in NY printed on the side and that one is the provider?

[Slinky Bender]

OK, now I know that you have the answer and you're just making fun of me.........

[Phantom]

One has FORK me printed on her side?

[nj george]

sweetie, there is no such thing as a stupid question. but in my experience there seems to be two general pricing guidlines which are affordable to me......
300/1hr 500/2hr 700/3hr

or the upper level:
400/1hr 600/2hr 800,850/3hr

and then there are the ladies that charge 500/hr with a 2hr min. and up. that is a bit over my head.

as far as what i expect, i expect the lady to be clean, attractive, attentive, funny, personable,compassionate
thoughtful, and respectful. . and i mean respectful to me as a person not as a source of income or a business transaction. and i in turn will treat them with the utmost respect,, kindness, gentleness, and cleanliness, etc.

hope this helps
i look forward to viewing your new site...see you soon:)

[Othello]

Although I'm inclined to support guy catelli's pricing methodology where "mature" gents tend to pay less, perhaps you should consider the rate schedules for attorneys and psychologists for your pricing model. You provide a professional service in the areas of advice and therapy and should be compensated accordingly.

I think the $200 to $500/hour range would allow you access to a reasonably broad client segment. From a profit maximization standpoint you should price towards the higher end of that scale. Since I am not personally familar with your services, I regreatably can only address your query in general terms.

I will however offer this final caveat: keep your pricing schedule simple. We are simple men (who may think that we are complex) with simple needs (affection being one of them). Please don't confuse us with multi-tiered pricing schedules

[guy catelli]

Originally posted by Othello
.....Please don't confuse us with multi-tiered pricing schedules

i concur with Othello.

my advice continues to be to negotiate each fee on a case-by-case basis (after all, that's what makes you an 'indy').

my suggested rules of thumb were for your own private calculations of what you should ask for at your end, not for publically disseminating in your marketing materials.

[TuckernotSucker]

Since business charges reflect costs of time and materials, provider charges must reflect costs. Eg. an independant on LI has much less time in travel with a local client. Price should be reflective.
Manhattan or out of town calls should be higher for a LI woman because of travel time.
Then their is supply and demand. I have found that there are many quality ladies in the 300-350 range per hour and do not see the need to spend much more. 2 hr rates 450-600 are warranted, in my opinion, after knowing a provider and after a rapport has been consumated.
I hope this has helped.

[HornDogBuddah]

I second TnS in his declaration about demand and supply around the 300/hr price point. Lots of supply in the city, less so in the burbs and on guyland. However, demand is distributed similarly. Therefore, you almost get to pick your price (there is no such thing as perfect competition in this market, so you most certainly do not have to be a price taker).

But maximizing profit may or may not be your main driver. (You sound like you want to pick and choose, to a certain degree.) So, Dawn, are you interested in maximizing profit? Or is something else equally important to you?

[robnotbob]

Based on my experience, I think Dawn wants to have fun.

[HornDogBuddah]

rnb, I suspected as much as well. Better for the hobbyist, and the hell with the economist.

[SS]

I mean this in a fun way, not nasty:

$100 for every inch based on the average between
your size (when soft and small) and (hard and bigger).

I wouldn't save any money on this technique though,
as my number would be close to the price for over 40,
which I am, so I would qualify for the $250/hr rate.

Also, I prefer doing other things besides FS.
Typically if you go to a massage place, you can
do other things (TF, BJ, HJ) for a more reasonable
fee. If you go to an indy, their fee is more b/c
they offer FS.

My question is this, is it reasonable to ask the
indy lady for a cheaper session price for other forms
of service, especially if you're not interested in FS?

I know that time is money. But if your schedule was
open, would my question warrant a cheaper session fee?

Thanks for your sincerity for my nieve question!!!

I'm looking forward to meeting with you someday in
the future :)

[HornDogBuddah]

According to the standard wording of indies' web offers, you are paying for their time and companionship. It is not an offer of prostitution. Anything that happens between the two of you is consensual adult behavior and has nothing to do with any $ you have paid her. Again, you are paying for her time and companionship, not for whatever part of her body may touch whatever part of yours. OTOH, if she has some open time slots that she wishes to fill, the enterprising indy might rent her time a little more economically for the value shopper.

[robnotbob]

BTW, the answer to the potato joke is One potato has "Idaho" printed on the side....

............wait for it...........ah...see you got it!!!!

[robnotbob]

and that one makes me "silver"

Hi ho! Giddiup!!