Q + A: Qi Gong Tui-Na

[Woody]

If you're like me, and I know I am, you've probably seen these places offering Qi Gong Tui-Na. I've noticed them in Flushing, Astoria, lower Manhattan, and mid-town. All the signs look the same, like it is a chain.

My first re-action was no way - too much signage. One of my rules is, the more signage an AMP has, the less fun for me.

I asked a AMP woman about it and she said it was a way to get around the licensing requirement. Why would you need a license, unless you were trying to appear legit?

Yesterday, I passed by a place on my way to work. Two Chinese girls waiting in front of the door. While waiting out the light, they were joined by three more, and all of them went inside.

Last night, I talked to another AMP woman. She told me her boss had sent her to the same place last week. She worked there for only one day. She said the tips were too small because she couldn't even do HR, let alone FS. She also thought the door fee, $55, was too much. (My kind of gal.)

Now maybe you like this kind of setup. On occasion, I have found myself in a legit AMP. There are worst ways to spend an hour than getting a massage.

I think I'll be avoiding any place that advertises Tui-na, otherwise, before you know it, all the women will smell like that.

Woody
on the FAN

[tommynj]

I went to one of these places on Lafayette, near SoHo. I wanted to check it out, and I also needed a good massage. I was intrigued by their pricing, it was in like 10 minute increments, so I asked for 1/2 hr. Young fairly attractive girl takes me back to the room which is actually a cubicle with open top walls (like at 7ft) and a curtain for a door. So I was not expecting any extras, but what I got was a great massage! The timer went off after the half hour, I told her I wanted another 30 minutes since she only got through my back & legs with no "accidental" touches. She did some more work on my arms and head, and asked me to turn over. Towards the end, I pointed to Junior and asked to massage there. She said time was almost up, so I went for another 20 minutes and I got a nice HR and was allowed some roaming under her clothes. She cleaned up and finished out the time. It was just sort of strange because there was an older lady getting a massage in the stall next to me!
The bottom line here is I got a great massage & hr, it ended up costing something like $54 plus I gave $30 tip. Do not go if you are looking for a high milage sensuous type massage.

[jaydevice]

I go to these places all the time and have never gotten HR or even close.

There was that AMP w/ HR on Canal & Lafayette that got busted, never went (didn't know until too late) but was in the Tui-na place on the ground floor below it many times. I now wonder if the girls from the Tui-na place worked upstairs at the HR place too.

Someone mentioned the strange pricing in these places in another thread. It's all about what numbers are considered lucky. Apparently, numbers with 0's at the end are not.

[frog]

I go to these places with my g/friends to show how legit massages are.

[Slinky Bender]

The provision of "legit services" doesn't necessarily indicate anything about whther any "extras" are provided. A few weeks ago I went to a place and got a BJ, and when I was walking out there was a nicew looking young lady sitting under a hair dryer with curlers in her hair, he feet soaking, and getting her nails done ( and all that perv me could think about was "gee, if I had known I was 5 feet away from that girl getting her beauty treatemnt while I was enjoying myself, I would have made more noise" ).

[Woody]

Slinky, you make an important distinction. I've had FS in at least two legit places. These places, unlike the Qi Gong places, are not screaming MASSAGE in their signage. It is usually a footnote, if it is written down at all.

It is my opinion that the more a place says massage, the most it is likely that all you are going to get is a massage.

Now, is that screwy logic or what?

Re: Noise - That's one of the the things I like/hate about the shop kind of AMP. The "be quiet and we can get away with this" act is kind of fun (like no one else there knows what is going on.) Sometimes, you want to make some noise. That's where the office/apartment is better than the shops.

Woody
on the FAN

[Slinky Bender]

woody,
Tying this to the Main Street thread, where I said:

"135-17 40rd couldn't tell which floor since there was both a "legit looking" massage place ( top floor ) and a "beauty parlor" type place ( second floor )."

That's one of the things which was going through my mind: the place which says "massage" on the outside sign probably isn't the one advertising in "that section" in the Trib....but OTOH, perhaps a second floor "beauty parlor" type place in that neighborhood............in the end it was just too confusing.

[schwenko]

The point is that if they are not offering massage, they can't be busted for doing massage without a NYS license.
Legal massage in NYS requires a license from the NYS Education Department, just like physicians, dentists, nurses, pharmacists, architects etc need a license to practice their profession.
So the argument is made that Tui-Na is not MASSAGE, nor is Chinese Body Work "massage".

BTW, anybody catch the story in the Queens Tribune 3 weeks ago about busting an "alleged brothel" next door to St. Ann's Church in Flushing? This was a branch of the "Close To You" chain.

[Woody]

I missed that story, and I subscribe, too. Holidays, I guess.

I went to a new place near Flushing hospital last week and was surprized to find some old faces, including Anna's.

I notice that the place on 35th Ave is also not answering the phone or the door.

Woody
on the FAN

[biggod]

Woody,

According to another thread that place on 35th move down to main St. I waiting for the poster to post the address or phone number in the other thread.

[schwenko]

Woody/Biggod

The 35th Avenue Close To You moved to 58 Road. As of Wednesday they were not answering the door, and the phone was out of service. I suspect they are either busted or on vacation.

And the place near Flushing Hospital is the girls of 58th Avenue striking out on their own (Lilly, Carol, ?Anna).

[Woody]

Instead of Rose, the place near the hospital is now Flowers somethingorother.

Tracing the Rose/Close to You girls is almost like tracing the Jane/Remeo girls.

Anna herself has been at the Kissena/Rossevelt/35th/58th and now the new place, all in the last year.

I thought it was the 58th Ave place that was closed/busted.

Woody
on the FAN

[pinga]

yeah, 58th av. was busted and nobody knows the whereabouts of Cissy( could she have been the sacrificial lamb?). Now, as Schwenko noted there is no answer at 58rd. (where are Wendy,Nancy,Lisa?) Could they have met their fate too as this house was next door to a school. I am afraid LE will step up their activity and many places will bite the dust.

[hennessy]

"There was that AMP w/ HR on Canal & Lafayette that got busted, never went (didn't know until too late) but was in the Tui-na place on the ground floor below it many times. "

I hope you're not talking about Lafayette Barber Shop. I haven't been there in maybe a year...i'd go more often but it was always out of the way for me. I remember the elevator to them (on the 2nd or 3rd floor, I forget) doesn't stop on their floor unless you call them and have the elevator activated for their floor. I used to love seeing one girl there, Lucy I think her name was...did wonderful things with her hands...awesome massage, and took HR to a whole new level.

[massageguy]

hey tommynj,
which place on lafayette was that, I checked out two yesterday but they was just a large room with several massage tables next to each other, so no privacy whatsoever...

[MrNY]

Originally posted by frog
I go to these places with my g/friends to show how legit massages are.

in fact, maybe you've got a nice girl for me ?

[Woody]

Originally posted by pinga
Now, as Schwenko noted there is no answer at 58rd. (where are Wendy,Nancy,Lisa?) Could they have met their fate too as this house was next door to a school. I am afraid LE will step up their activity and many places will bite the dust.

I was there this afternoon. It was not very busy today (I wonder why?) so I talked with both Lisa and Nancy. They mentioned that 58th Road was going to close in about two weeks. I asked if they were going to join Anna or Jinny. They both said no.

With no prompting from me, and hidden from from each other, both of them slipped me their cell numbers.

As I was leaving two guys came in and asked about Wendy. "Later," was the only answer given.

I wast intending to go to the place on 59th Ave, but when I got there, they didn't answer the door. This was after two phone calls. I don't need that. Five minutes later, they called me back. Too late.

Woody
on the FAN

[RY200S]

Woody:

What (or where, exactly) is the place on 59th ave? Did they tell you why the 58th Rd. place is closing? It's not a bad place--from what I could see.

[RY200S]

Woody:

I am relatively new to Flushing activity. Who are Anna and Jinny. Where are they located? Telephone #?

[jaydevice]

Originally posted by hennessy
I hope you're not talking about Lafayette Barber Shop.

Sorry it took me so long to see this, hennessy. Third floor with two barber style spinning signs things on the outside of building? Yes, sorry to report it's closed. Quite some time ago there were big orange 'closed by NYPD' stickers on the doors. Since they've been doing renovations. For new tenants, my guess.

[tommynj]

Massageguy, I will have to get the address for you, but I think it is between Prince & Spring, or maybe just south of Spring. It was in the lower level. & they had a sign out front w/ the prices.

[Woody]

Originally posted by RY200S
What (or where, exactly) is the place on 59th ave? Did they tell you why the 58th Rd. place is closing? It's not a bad place--from what I could see.

Since I didn't get in the place on 59th Ave, and I've not been there before, there's not much to tell. I assume it is a Korean In/Out place. It advertises in the Flushing Times.

I don't know why they are closing 58th Rd. Both women seemed reluctant to talk about that. They also had no answer when asked what they were going to do after it closed.

They did say that 58th Rd was one of the nicer places they have worked.

Anna and Jinny are their former co-workers who have moved on.

Woody
on the FAN

[schwenko]

59th Avenue is Chinese/Malaysian.

[RY200S]

Schwenko:
I like the idea of Chinese/Asian. Wher is it, phone #? Any problemsgetting in?
You certainly can't beat the price of Flushing AMP's.

[RY200S]

Schwenko:
Sorry: typo: Chinese/Malaysian
I'm very seriously considering a trip to Bangkok this Spring. A friend of a friend is practicing law there & I have frequent IM with him. Another friend is practicing law on Saipan, but he recommends the Phillipines for the novice.

[schwenko]

One girl is Chinese, one is Malaysian.
136-39 59th Ave.
646-302-2888

[pinga]

Woody, I know Anna but who is Jinny? there are 3 new girls at 149-40 45av. : LIN, YASMINE and CINDY.

[Woody]

Jinny (or Jenny) is at the Rose location on 147th St. This use to be the Roosevelt Ave place.

You kinda wonder what happened. They had three places going at one time. Now down to one place and a few girls.

Woody
on the FAN

[RY200S]

Schwenko:

I'm interested in trying this plce. Does the experience & price match other Flushing AMP's? I don't see that number in the Queens Tribune--how do I say I heard about them. Who did I see I see there before? Is it a single family house or an apartment building? Any thing else I should know to fit in? Many thanks!

[massageguy]

Originally posted by tommynj
Massageguy, I will have to get the address for you, but I think it is between Prince & Spring, or maybe just south of Spring. It was in the lower level. & they had a sign out front w/ the prices.

Thanks tommynj. I'm pretty sure I know which one you mean. Thing is, I went in there and saw one area with something like 5-7 massage tables next to each other, so no privacy. However, there seemed to be some sort of "back rooom," with only one table, so more privacy. Guess that's the one you have to go for. Is that were you were, or was the place just empty when you were there?

Or maybe there is some other place, or they changed the layout since you wenty, b/c I could not see any "stalls."

[Woody]

Originally posted by RY200S
I don't see that number in the Queens Tribune--how do I say I heard about them.

Their ad is in that other paper, the Flushing Times, in the entertainment classifieds.

646-302-2888
Magic Body Rub
136-39 59th Ave
In/Out
7 days 24 hours
FT: 31-Jan-2002/Ent

You can always say, "I saw your ad," even if you didn't.

Woody
on the FAN

[Woody]

Originally posted by RY200S
I'm very seriously considering a trip to Bangkok this Spring.

If you are seriously considering a trip to Thailand or the Philippines, you should subscribe the ASFO mailing list.

You can get to the mailing list through the website: www.asfo.com

It can be a fairly busy mailing list with upwards of 100 messages a day sometimes.

Sometimes, the discussion can get off topic. I quit after 18 months when I had more than 1000 unread messages.

Woody
on the FAN

[RY200S]

Woody:
Another good source of info is the www.nanapong.com message board--you can sign on as a guest or register for free.--sometimes there's some good info about hotels (& how provider friendly they are), airfares, taxis, BJ bars, etc.

[schwenko]

The girls are named ?Lucy (Chinese) and Coco (Malaysian). They are in a big house. Ring the bell on the front porch, ground floor. They work on the second floor. The Chinese girl is kind of petite, cute, a little solid, but friendly. I have not partaken due to technical reasons.

[RY200S]

Schwenko:

Is there a story behind this comment?:
"I have not partaken due to technical reasons."

Is it the usual Flushing AMP pricing structure ($40 at the door), ($40 for BBBJ)?

Thanks for the info.

[schwenko]

Technical reasons = poverty; plus they wouldn't take a check. fee = $140.

[RY200S]

Schwenko:

Is $140 an "all inclusive" door fee? Or is there a breakdown? -- Somewhat steep for Flushing AMP. I would be shocked if they would take a check. Most local banks offer a free ATM (Check Cashing) Debit Card to allow you to withdraw the cash from your account

[schwenko]

140 covers "everything".
You would be surprised how many times I have used post-dated checks in these places. Probably not a good move on my part, but...
Besides, it's very easy to say no if you offer a check as the only payment and they hesitate.
Good for reconnoitering (sp?).

[RY200S]

Schwenko:

Post-Dated checks in an AMP--I'll be damned!! I never thought that would be possible.--Business can't be that bad!! --If it is, I can be one happy guy!! For once a failing economy this might actually work to my advantage, imagine that!

While their service very well might be worth $140--it seems to be much more than the "going rate" in Flushing--again the law of "supply & demand" which may, for once, work to my advantage, imagine that!

By the way, "reconnoitering" is properly spelled. A good free download program is available at www.Atomica.com --it works in the background--when you highlight a word (while on the internet) right click with the curser on the word onto "Atomica" , it will check the spelling, define the word, check the encyclopedia, legal & medical dictionaries & translate it into many different languages.

A check, let alone a post-dated one at an AMP, I never thought it was possible!--you live & learn!! I am still very pleased by the $40 door fee + $40 tip for a decent body rub, BBBJTC, sometimes F/S, --sometimes a full hour, sometimes a real rush job with groping- at most Flushing AMP's --but, as always, YMMV.

[nychunter]

I Remember that place!!!!!! That was one of the best AMP's that I have ever been to. I've tried amny out in Chinatown and also in Flushing but no lplace has come close to what they could do there on lafayette! Damn I miss that place.............DAMN LE...............

[ttboy]

woody, the Anna that you were talking about...is that the same as the Anna frm hicksville long island that i was inquiring about?

[sakatz]

I visited a Qi Gong Tui-Na place on 14th Street (bet 8 & 9th Ave, south side of street) yesterday, mostly just to see what's what. The place consists of about eight cubicles formed with cheap 5' high bamboo screens and no doors. I was led to one and instructed to disrobe (a little weird since there were other masseuses and customers floating by all the time) and then lie down on a massage table. The masseuse was a pretty sexy young Chinese woman who gave a very firm massage that was ocassionally very good but also occasionally betrayed an utter lack of knowledge about the human anatomy. Then she washed me with a hot towel and it was over.

No extras were conceivable: there was no touching in that region, no sly looks, etc. When, after the massage was over, I discreetly pointed to the only part left unmassaged, she made a face like she had eaten something disagreeable.

It was only $45 for an hour, so all in all it was pleasant. They also have a "buy ten massages, get one free" deal which is pretty attractive.

[Stitch]

In terms of our pastime, the Tuina places are complicated. You have to enjoy playing a certain kind of game. Because it really is a kind of a game. (If getting action is your only criterion, you should never go to these places). First, you must find a place that offers at least a small degree of privacy. Then you must find a girl who you like (many are not so cute) who you also think you might persuade to provide extras. Then you must--usually over time--persuade her to provide them. Not so easy.

But a fun challenge, for certain people. I like the girls who are essentially legit. Sometimes they also make great PS.

[sexpert]

Here is my take on these tuina / qigong places. If there is some type of lace in the window or some christmas lights it aint kosher and more can be had, if u see an old man telling u to come in for a massage its usually legit. There is one place with a couple of ladies 4s in my opinion on elizabeth right off of broome, its a barber shop kinda atmosphere with massage, had BBBJ for 80 and $ FS, this was about a year ago, they are still around but the ladies are kinda old for me, deadly massages though, many negotiable pricings for chinese hobbyists, though i have seen many gweilos in there also. So for 60 u can get a serious massage and a decent HJ, touching is up to the discretion of the provider. I have also seen many people walk out of this place on kenmare btw mott and elizabeth with a koolaid smile, its a tuina place with lace and christmas lights, they close at 10pm i believe and the masseusse i saw escorting the customer out looked kinda hot! Planning to visit soon!

A nice little story concerning barber shops,
One day a year ago I was heading out to manhattan but I was not going to drive from brooklyn for a friends birthday. I was gonna get my haircut on 8th ave because my stylist went on vacation, stepped into a place right off 8th ave on what i believe is 54th street on the 7th ave side. yellow awning and really looked legit for a 6 dollar fix me up cut by an approx 36 yr old lady. After the cut which wasnt bad for 6 bucks the lady asks me if i want a massage, and that i looked tense. I told her im in a hurry and she said just take a 30 min massage for only 20 bucks! Still naively i go in and she leads me into one of the dark massage rooms, it has one of those tuina 45 degree chairs with holes in it and get a 15 decent backrub, she tells me that my back is done and its time for frontal massage. She starts massaging my front shoulders then my chest then my thighs. All of a sudden she opens up my pants, i told her no cuz she is kinda old and really not my type, but she insisted and said just give me 40, i still resisted and by the time i was saying my 3rd no my cock was in her mouth, It turns out to be one of the best bbbjs i have ever had and it wasnt CIM she knew when i was gonna and finished with HR on a hot small towel. cleaned me up and i was out of there for 50 bucks total and a nicely trimmed head, both!

[Mxaah]

Originally posted by sexpert
.........All of a sudden she opens up my pants, i told her no cuz she is kinda old and really not my type, but she insisted and said just give me 40, i still resisted and by the time i was saying my 3rd no my cock was in her mouth, It turns out to be one of the best bbbjs i have ever had and it wasnt CIM she knew when i was gonna and finished with HR on a hot small towel. cleaned me up and i was out of there for 50 bucks total and a nicely trimmed head, both!

Wow, that sounds like my ideal kinda place.
I get my hair cut once a week and a masagge at least once a week too! (at two different places though)

[sexpert]

Originally posted by haamx
Wow, that sounds like my ideal kinda place.
I get my hair cut once a week and a masagge at least once a week too! (at two different places though)

After u see whats available, i doubt u would be as interested!

[Eugene]

Is this "Barber/massage" place off 8th ave on the 54th in Manhattan? Have you been there after that?

[sexpert]

its in brooklyn, i been there only once. and it was a while ago, i still see it open though

[cooking_joe]

Took a look at this place I believe sexpert is talking about today...oh boy.

Its on 53rd just off of 8th avenue going towards 7th on the left side of the street. Lace curtains kind of give it away. Its got a red awning with yellow letters.

Went in and asked for a massage. The woman was about a 3. Went into the room and I was about to undo my pants. Then I reconsidered and left...pretty bottom of the barrel situation in there.

Funny thing, there are only two barber chairs and what looked like 7 massage tables in the back..although there didnt seem to be a choice of girls.

[sexpert]

Originally posted by sexpert
After u see whats available, i doubt u would be as interested!

LOL had to quote myself again! what did i say!

[oilman]

Pert, did you ever check out the Kenmare place ? That is right around the corner from me. I saw i the other day and if I wasn't walking the dog I would have gone in immediately and taken one for the team.

[sexpert]

oilman, did u see the chick in there? shes kinda cute, but i dont wanna touch that place cuz the people in the area know me well..... i probably know u too! but lets just keep it online for now, i grew up in the same area!

[ryoueziam]

oilman
Is this the one next to the cell phone place? Walked by a few times but never went in...

[sexpert]

Originally posted by ryoueziam
oilman
Is this the one next to the cell phone place? Walked by a few times but never went in...

yea thats the one, right near the parking lot, i saw the lady again today, she looking prettier and prettier, i think im gonna have to sneak in there with a baseball cap on my head one of these days!

[Woody]

The Kenmare place was closed at 8pm Saturday. I walked by it twice before I realized it was closed.

I thought they were open until 10pm.

Woody

[oilman]

oilman's gonna go out for a little recon sans the mutt.....I've not seen the girl yet Pert but I'm gonna take a peak.....not sure if she'll be there since it's Sunday........not sure of the proper pay scale to be employed at this type of joint as I'm used to getting fleeced at WGS......any suggestions ?

[sexpert]

Originally posted by Woody
The Kenmare place was closed at 8pm Saturday. I walked by it twice before I realized it was closed.

I thought they were open until 10pm.

Woody

U know what it might be? I think that they close according to how many customers they have before a certain time, cuz last time i seen it, they closed at about 10pm.

[nyc_dog]

Hi,

Has anyone checked out this Kenmare place yet? Please let us know... if not, I'll be willing to take one for the team as my contribution to the board.

Can sexpert or oilman confirm whether or not the nice looking lady is still there? I prob won't stop by if it's just older/not good looking women.

[nyc_dog]

Disregard the previous post, I found another thread continuing this one.

[jaybeeamsterdam]

Anyone here know Michelle from the place on Lex in the 20's? They say she is gone, anyone have info?

[EVdenizen]

Originally posted by nyc_dog
Hi,

Has anyone checked out this Kenmare place yet? Please let us know... if not, I'll be willing to take one for the team as my contribution to the board.

Can sexpert or oilman confirm whether or not the nice looking lady is still there? I prob won't stop by if it's just older/not good looking women.


If that place's phone # ends with ...-1106, save your money---nothing doing!! Been there a few times, hoping that repeat visits would result in a more accomodating attitude...alas, no such luck. They never even heard of Helen Reddy. Maybe if you're Chinese...
EVd

[EVdenizen]

And while I'm at it, (since I'm too much of a newbie to start a thread) forget about the Qi-Gong joint on the second floor above St. Mark's Comics....and its affiliated place on East 7th Street between 2nd and 3rd. The first time I went to the one at St. Mark's I got the uglier one of the therapists and after much cajoling got her to do a very reluctantly delivered, poor rendition of "I am Woman"...On the way out I saw this real knock-out girl with a body like Shakira and decided to try again the next day or so. I did manage to get her as my therapist, but strictly legit...no matter how much I gyrated trying to maneuver my ****** into her hands. She was too quick and pulled back every time. Being the stubborn type, I returned several more times, only to be thwarted each and every time. Same thing with the place on 7th Street - they actually have private rooms upstairs, but seem to be equally unwilling to do anything but straight therapeutic work, whatever that means. One funny incident at the St. Mark's place occured the last time I was there: Some guy started cursing on his way out and pulled open the curtain at my table telling me in a very agitated voice: "No happy endings here--what the fuck is wrong with these people". If anybody else visited there, I'd be interested to know your experience.

[SpanishInquisition]

Originally posted by EVdenizen
[B Some guy started cursing on his way out and pulled open the curtain at my table telling me in a very agitated voice: "No happy endings here--what the fuck is wrong with these people". [/B]

I see you ran into the APM.

[Confused]

Evdenizen,

I just moved to the E. Village and haven't found any neigborhood places for a R&T.

Do you know of any places in the area?

Thanks

[EVdenizen]

Originally posted by Confused
Evdenizen,

I just moved to the E. Village and haven't found any neigborhood places for a R&T.

Do you know of any places in the area?

Thanks

None of the places in the EV cater to the R&T connoisseur, I'm sorry to inform you. Forget about all of the following: St. Mark's Place, 7th Street, 4th Street (both of them), 12th Street, 14th Street, Orchard Street. It's a damn shame, too -- they'd be so geographically convenient. Looks like you'll have to expand the territory. Hey, this was about a grand's worth of advice ;)

EVd

[42flingme]

It appears she is gone. They say she went back to china. I will miss her. Good massage and finish. You might want to try either Lili or Sue. Sue is prettier but harder to get good ending.

[jaybeeamsterdam]

Thank you thank you thank you! I knew some one else out there had to have discovered Michelle. She was one of my ATF's. Even though she was not so great looking she gave an awesome massage and HR. Thank you so much for your post.

Have you been to any other places around? Have been a little curious about Wink Spa as well as the new Qi Gong place on 26th and second. Anyone know anything about either of these places? Anyone go to Phoenix lately? Have been thinking about giving it a try too.

JB

[42flingme]

Haven't had massage yet, but I went in to look around. On the second floor accomodations are tight and cubicles are only covered by curtains. The only thing I didnt like was there was a man sitting at the desk, which due to the narrow width was literally 3 feet from one cube. This could hinder performance. Although the 2 girls I saw were rather good looking so it might be worth a look. Have been to one at 166 madison (32nd), which gives unbelievable massage, but nothing else yet. (Sammy ) I mean GREAT massage, only $45 hr. Good luck.

[EVdenizen]

Originally posted by 42flingme
Haven't had massage yet........there was a man sitting at the desk, which due to the narrow width was literally 3 feet from one cube. This could hinder performance. Although the 2 girls I saw were rather good looking so it might be worth a look. Have been to one at 166 madison (32nd), which gives unbelievable massage, but nothing else yet. (Sammy ) I mean GREAT massage, only $45 hr. Good luck.

It DOES hinder performance!

EVd

[Mxaah]

Just visited this place on the second floor

$.45 per hour (FULL hour), deep tissue massage, masseuse clearly has been trained.

The set up is that of a typical cheap R&T massage place (One room divided by curtains), nothing to write home about... I did not even get a HR but I am pretty sure it can be obtained. Although the masseuse was pretty nice, I did not find her attractive at all.

Guys, is it too cheap to tip 12 bucks when just a massage is gotten??

[EVdenizen]

Originally posted by haamx
Just visited this place on the second floor

$.45 per hour (FULL hour), deep tissue massage, masseuse clearly has been trained.

The set up is that of a typical cheap R&T massage place (One room divided by curtains), nothing to write home about... I did not even get a HR but I am pretty sure it can be obtained. Although the masseuse was pretty nice, I did not find her attractive at all.

Guys, is it too cheap to tip 12 bucks when just a massage is gotten??

There are 2 places on 23rd. Did you go to the one on the south side of the street, or the one next to MOMA Theater? If it's the one at 110, then you have to go there when the manager/owner (Christine?) is not there. She's a kill-joy!
EVd

[Mxaah]

Originally posted by EVdenizen
There are 2 places on 23rd. Did you go to the one on the south side of the street, or the one next to MOMA Theater? If it's the one at 110, then you have to go there when the manager/owner (Christine?) is not there. She's a kill-joy!
EVd

I went to 110 (bet Lex and Park, sorry, I am still so relaxed and falling asleep after that nice massage). The one next to MoMA seems way too legit.

Haamx

[jaybeeamsterdam]

Either of you guys been to, or seen, wink spa? Its on Lex around 29th, think it is legit?

[EVdenizen]

Originally posted by jaybeeamsterdam
Either of you guys been to, or seen, wink spa? Its on Lex around 29th, think it is legit?

Haven't been there. Is that the one below the Indo/Pakistani restaurant? If so, I looked in once and they had male and female "Qi Gong professionals" - - - always a bad sign :)

[Mxaah]

Originally posted by jaybeeamsterdam
Either of you guys been to, or seen, wink spa? Its on Lex around 29th, think it is legit?

No, but I'll go and take a walk around there this afternoon

[jaybeeamsterdam]

The place below the paki-indian restaurant used to be home to Michelle my secret jewel. while not very good looking she gave a great massage witht he best HR I ever had. However she is gone now, and all the other girls in there I have had have not been willing to give a happy finish.

Wink is a few blocks north, big orange awning, nail salon place.

Now that Michelle is gone I am looking for a good replacement: something in the the same neighborhood, around the same price, basically a cheap massage and HR. Any ideas? NuLook is close, but sometimes I just want something quicker and cheaper.

-JB

[EVdenizen]

Originally posted by jaybeeamsterdam


Now that Michelle is gone I am looking for a good replacement: something in the the same neighborhood, around the same price, basically a cheap massage and HR. Any ideas? NuLook is close, but sometimes I just want something quicker and cheaper.

-JB

There is a place on 31st betw. Lex/3rd. Fat Chinese girl, but the very best masseuse I've ever encountered. She's trained and also does colonics. You can find her ad in NY-Press.
EVd

[EVdenizen]

Originally posted by EVdenizen
....but the very best masseuse I've ever encountered. ....
EVd

Did I mention she gives the best massages I've ever had? This woman knows the male body! Just close your eyes and drift off....

[Cover2]

Went to the Accupunture/Qi Gong place here on the east side of 53rd right off 2nd ave, sandwiched between 2 yuppie/frat boy bars. Went for a legit massage wasn't really looking for any HR, though I wouldn't say no. It's on the second floor, and has semi private, walled rooms with short ceilings and a small curtained entrance to the rooms. The rooms were in the back and it was seperated by a glass door, and it was very dark back there. I called ahead, and there were several young cuties there, cutest one being the receptionist. My therapist was young and pretty cute, I stripped off my briefs and laid face down as usual. Got a nice strong thorough massage. I'm an ABC, but i am very tall and look like a famous HK actor, so I try and see how far I can get with them. As she gets to my upper thighs, I get a tremedous stiffie, got big so quick her hand smoothed over it as she got closer-- which usually doesnt happen, I need a lot of teasing at an AMP. Her eyses buldge out of her forehead, the bell rings and shes out of the room -- so there was no shot of relief! Anyhows, I stayed for 1.5 hrs for .85, with a .20 tip. She gave me her card, and I was out. This is the best legit massage I had in a while, and it will replace Graceful Services as my legit hangout. As I plan spending money here, i'm gonna try and cultivate a PS here. They also do outcall for .85, has anyone been successful w/ outcall legit Qi Gong?

[Stitch]

EV, I went to the place on East 23rd a while back and met the Mamasan Christine. She assigned me to a very friendly woman. Nice massage, but she wasn't that appealing so I didn't ask for the HR. I think her name was Lisa. Are there any cute masseuses there? Who'd you have and is there a time when Christine isn't around? Thanks for any info. This sort of place always intrigues me...

[EVdenizen]

Originally posted by Stitch
EV, I went to the place on East 23rd a while back and met the Mamasan Christine. She assigned me to a very friendly woman. Nice massage, but she wasn't that appealing so I didn't ask for the HR. I think her name was Lisa. Are there any cute masseuses there? Who'd you have and is there a time when Christine isn't around? Thanks for any info. This sort of place always intrigues me...

The girls name is/was SiSi. I think Sundays and Holidays are best. You'll have to call and see who's there. I have to admit that my standards must be substantially below yours. I can't get rubbed without being tugged. I just close my eyes and suffer nobly.
EVd

[Tyed]

Originally posted by EVdenizen
There is a place on 31st betw. Lex/3rd. Fat Chinese girl, but the very best masseuse I've ever encountered. She's trained and also does colonics. You can find her ad in NY-Press.
EVd

EVdenizen, is this girl on 30th? Also, how much does she charge for
a massage? A colonic? Does she offer any extras?

Sorry for the barrage of questions. I'll probably end up calling her, before you answer, to at least ask about her rates.

Thanks!

[EVdenizen]

Originally posted by Tyed
EVdenizen, is this girl on 30th? Also, how much does she charge for
a massage? A colonic? Does she offer any extras?

Sorry for the barrage of questions. I'll probably end up calling her, before you answer, to at least ask about her rates.

Thanks!

Yeah, it's on 30th. Her rate was $ 80 per hr. for massage, don't know about the colonics. She mentioned last time I saw her that she was getting a machine and setting up a place in the West Village. Give her a call. The $ 80 (I don't tip her) for massage is well worth it, as she's not a clock watcher and the massage is really enjoyable. You'll leave happy.
EVd

[cityboy]

Trying to find this 30th St. girl in NYPress. Any hints or the #? Thanks.

[cityboy]

EV: What does this 30th St. girl's ad say? I have the NY Press here, but I'm having a hard time figuring out which one she is. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. :)

[Tyed]

Look under Licensed Massage. You'll see the
word Swedish in the beginning of the ad.

EVDenizen's description of the woman and her massage technique are very accurate, IMO.

[cityboy]

So any other discoveries in this neighborhood?

I can verify that the place on Lex between 27th & 28th is fully legit these days. However, they appear to be low on business, so they might change their ways.

[jaybeeamsterdam]

I went back to the place you mentioned a few weeks ago and got a major tease, but that was it. I ran into michelle a few days before that, she was walking along the street and told me should was back. I told her I heard she went back to china and she just laughed.

Then when I went back I got the "Michelle no here". So, I am still confused about that whole deal. If anyone know what happened please let me know.

Ever since michelle left I have just been going to NU-Look. Had got a massage from Yoko a few times and it was pretty good. The found a girl named Song who is great. Not as cute or young but very good.

Still I am upset Michelle is gone. Nu Look is nice but it is much farther away and sometimes I just don't feel like going through the whole shower, locker room thing.

If anyone knows and good chinese massage places with extras (harry reasner) in the 28th and Lex area let me know. I don't want anything fancy just good and good and cheap.

I am curious about Wink! on Lex and 30th(? or 29th or 31st not sure exact street, east side of Lex).

I think Garden of **** might be around that area and have thought about trying them for some time, but have not yet.

Wow! Haven't posted for a while.

-JB

[jaybeeamsterdam]

Anyone tried 26th btwn 2nd and 1st?

Also, anyone know anything near the Fulton Mall in Brooklyn? I don't know brooklyn very well at all, but I just started a new job right near there.

Finally, anyone else think 50 posts to start a thread is a little crazy? 25 seems like a good number- :)

JB

[TC123]

Originally posted by jaybeeamsterdam
anyone else think 50 posts to start a thread is a little crazy? 25 seems like a good number

Spoken like a man with 25 posts.

[Mxaah]

Originally posted by jaybeeamsterdam
.....
Finally, anyone else think 50 posts to start a thread is a little crazy? 25 seems like a good number- :)

JB

I believe the reason of such rule is that most people who don't bother posting reviews start ISO threads and nothing else.

I might be wrong though... BTW, if you were allowed to start a new thread... what would it be about?

[cityboy]

Originally posted by jaybeeamsterdam
Nu Look is nice but it is much farther away and sometimes I just don't feel like going through the whole shower, locker room thing.

If anyone knows and good chinese massage places with extras (harry reasner) in the 28th and Lex area let me know. I don't want anything fancy just good and good and cheap.

I am curious about Wink! on Lex and 30th(? or 29th or 31st not sure exact street, east side of Lex).

I agree with you there.

Haven't tried Wink, but it appears pretty legit based on the setup. I'll try to check it out and report back soon.

So they said Michele was back but... not? Weird.

[jaybeeamsterdam]

The fact is that most people with 500 or 1000 posts are not posting 500 or 1000 reviews. I only post when I really have something to say, and even then I don't post much of the time since I don't feel like spending half an hour to find a thread that might be halfway relevant to what I want to post on.

Still it is not my board, and I respect the rules of the moderator.

-JB

[biggod]

Not sure but How do a place that only practice Qi Gong Tui-Na make money if they don't offer a happy finish.

[jaybeeamsterdam]

I checked out another board that had a couple posts about a place at 141 west 28th street. Took a walk and didn't see much there, then walked past a place on 27th around 6th ave. Anyone know about either of these places? Anyone had anyluck with a basic R&T chinese massage spot around 27 or 28th streets? I am going to check out the spot on 27th this weekend and will report back then... Man I miss Michelle from the place on Lex and 27th though...

[EVdenizen]

Originally posted by jaybeeamsterdam
I checked out another board that had a couple posts about a place at 141 west 28th street. Took a walk and didn't see much there, then walked past a place on 27th around 6th ave. Anyone know about either of these places? Anyone had anyluck with a basic R&T chinese massage spot around 27 or 28th streets? ........

I reviewed that place in another thread. However, another reviewer had a less positive experience.

EVd


http://www.utopiaguide.com/forums/t15258-30-2.html

[EVdenizen]

Originally posted by jaybeeamsterdam
...... Took a walk and didn't see much there, then walked past a place on 27th around 6th ave. Anyone know about either of these places? Anyone had anyluck with a basic R&T chinese massage spot around 27 or 28th streets? ......

The massage is good, alas....no extras seemed available when I was there. They only have curtains around the tables and it seems to be a "legit" place. There are guys working there, too. Not conducive to extracurricular activities. But as always, YMMV.
EVd

[jaybeeamsterdam]

You seem to really knwo your stuff regarding this neighborhood. So is there anyplace around there that you have found that is good? I may try the 28th street place, or maybe Aria- I really want to find something low-key and sorta UTR though...

[jaybeeamsterdam]

Well I have a bit of a dilema- I decided against trying the places on west 27th and 28th. However at the last minute I decided to go to a spa massage place that is pretty over the radar. Had gotten a couple of reviews on here, most saying nothing besides a massage (no HR), one saying HR and some roaming.

Well I decided to give a call anyway, and as the price was right, went on over.

Like a smaller NuLook- quite nice. Signs however in all rooms saying to be respectful and no sexual stuff, fortunately I didn;t see the signs till I was done with massage. Very pretty girl, got more than full hour, good massage. Towards the end felt like no HR was gonna be forth coming, but decided to ask anyway. At first she said no, then I asked what if I gave a big tip. Asked me if I really needed it, to which I said yes. Still not sure if she would do it, at the very end it happened though, very good. I was a happy boy.

Some of you may have figured out where I am talking about. I am hesitant to name the place as I get the feeling that YMMV, and HR is not standard here. Not really sure if I want them bombarded before I can do some more investigations. Other thought is that since I can't start a new thread, I think I may just wait to post name till someone else starts a thread on this place or I attain the holy grail 50 posts.

Stay tuned...

-JB

[cityboy]

Jaybee... I *think* I know what place you're talking about... do you think it's worth a revisit or was it a one-time thing?

[jaybeeamsterdam]

City boy-

as I aproach the magic post number 50 I am feeling pretty wise. So here is my 2 cents: Utopia guide is really great for discovering which places not to go (I am really just refering to the NY Spa section). It is also good for getting a feel for places that are way over the radar. As far as other places go, those totally or semi under the radar, I think you are better of just going out and giving them a try.

Of course you may go somewhere that others have gotten more than just a massage and get nothing more yourself, or the opposite can happen. One of the keys to getting more than just a massage is to keep a couple of things in mind: 1- always be polite, nice, and respectful of the girls and their establishment 2- (and this is key) is to remember that for many of these massage girls they do not think of themselves as prostitutes, instead they believe that a happy ending is a natural part of the relaxation and termination of stress that a massage is meant to facilitate. Obviously at some massage places, where they are taking off their shirts and stuff, they understand this is a massage plus a safe sexual service.

Therefore when you go to a place that is really just a massage place, it is key to very nicely ask if they can help release ALL the tension with a HR.

Also once you find a place you like it may be worth it to become something of a regular. Often services will become available that were not before, and the whole experience just gets better.

I will make you a deal cityboy- you go out and try someplace new and review it, and I will go back to my new find this weekend and tell you all just what the exact deal is...

Let me know what you think Cityboy-

JB

[jaybeeamsterdam]

I may have 50 posts by then, in which case I will even be able to start a new thread! Hurray!

[cityboy]

Jay: I'm down. I also agree with all you said regarding becoming a regular and showing respect, both of which I have exercised and support. I'll keep it in this area, too, as it seems as though that's what we're concentrating on here.

Thanks for the cool words.

[jeterock]

I'm sorry mabye I'm missing something but MY idea when I post is to not only provide but get info about places in a PUBLIC forum. I have never been one to "keep a spot" for fear of it becoming too popular because honestly, L.E. probably knows about most spots anyway. It's just a matter of time or man power or whatever they do. But to my brothers here, what I know, you'll know. That's it. I think too many people are following the belief that Jay and others are, and that's why many of the older regulars don't appear here anymore. I'm not being accusatory here - Jay and others I hope you don't take offense to this- just stating what I FEEL is an unsetteling trend here. I hope it changes because this no board can survive when this kind of thing starts to happen. JMHO

[paladin]

If the place truly offers QiGong TuiNa you shouldn't be getting HR or any extras -- don't expect them :(. This technique is actually a branch of Traditional Chinese Medicine and, in China, is practised by physicians and specially trained technicians.

I am personally certified as a QiGong Healer and practice TuiNa among my other modalities. QiGong in Chinese literally means energy work. TuiNa means Push-Pull. In other words a massage for energy healing. Here is a quote from my website --

"Tui Na is an Oriental Bodywork Therapy that has been used in China for at least 2,000 years. Tui Na is based on the traditional Chinese medical theory of the flow of Qi through the acupuncture meridians. By using massage and manipulation techniques, Tui Na works to establish a more balanced flow of Qi through the system of channels and collaterals, thus allowing the body to heal itself naturally.

Tui Na is known for the wide variety of massage strokes used to physically stimulate the soft tissues (muscles, fascia, etc.) and the internal organs. It is a very vigorous massage; every technique requires movement as well as pressure. The client generally wears loose fitting clothing. The massage is performed with the client either sitting or lying on a massage table. The therapist will often ask some questions about general health or any complaints before treatment. Sessions usually last from 30 minutes to an hour. Depending on the specific problems of the client, they may return for additional treatments. The client usually feels relaxed and energized by the treatment.

What Can Tui Na Treat? Tui Na is a very unique and versatile therapy. It can be tailored to suit each individual. It can be used solely for relaxation and stress relief. Or, it can be used for specific health complaints, or a combination of both. Tui Na can help treat chronic pain and relieve stress; especially that caused by musculoskeletal conditions or injuries. Neck, shoulder and back pain, sciatica and 'tennis elbow' can all be treated. However, as a side effect of treating specific conditions, Tui Na will also improve the overall condition of Qi within the body. Therefore, a whole range of other conditions such as headaches, migraines, insomnia, constipation, stress, PMS, and some emotional problems may also be improved. In China, Tui Na is used for many of the same conditions that might be treated here in the West by Osteopaths, Chiropractors, Physiotherapists or drugs".

If you want a good vigorous massage that leaves you feeling energized, try Tui Na An Mo. If you want to "get off" don't bother visiting one of these places.

Paladin

PS if you would like more info about TuiNa or any other Chinese healing modality, please drop me an *****

[jaybeeamsterdam]

First of all: Yes. That so many people keep finds to themselves is both detrimental to what I assume are the goals of this board, and quite common. I too used to be quite upset about this.

The thing is that although I think the right thing to do, atleast from the view of being a good member of this board, would be to post all info about all places I know of, I am hesitant. It is not so much LE that I am worried about, as the place becoming really crowded with people who may or may not be as discreet and respectul as I am. I am not saying you are all obnoxiuous oafs, I am just saying I do not know. In fact, I was not that discreet as I posted a review of a place that is probably quite recognizable to some folks here. So while I myself admit I should post all the info on this place, I am holding off largely for reasons motivated by self interest.

You spoke about lots of older members leaving the board. Well one solution to that might be to encourage more good info from newer members. The problem is that many people who may be new to the board but not new to the hobby feel disinclined to post since they can not start threads. This is a tricky situation, as I do think the 50 post rule keeps down the number of stupid ISO posts and the spammers. On the other hand I thinks this also keeps out a lot of fresh info from new people, and is part of the reason most of the info is from the people about the same places. Considering that I am basically a newbie to the board, however, my opinion is just that. Maybe the owner and more entrenched members of this community like it that way, and that is fine. It is Slinkys board, I think he does a great job, and I leave it to him to shape this board as he sees fit.

The fact that I do not yet have the requisite number of posts to start a new thread is part of the reason that I have not given a full review of the last massage place I went to.

In closing, I will try and be a better member of this board and when I reach the 50 post mark, I will post a review of my new spot.

Again, much respect to all here. It is a good board and these are just my 2cent opinions.

-JB

[jaybeeamsterdam]

I saw a post just a little while ago from JDR challenging all members to go out, whether it be to some place old or someplace new, and post a review. I already spoke to Cityboy about this on here, now I like to open it up to all, especially the newer members- Lets go out, take one for the team (or go to a team favorite) and post your results on here on Sunday or Monday.

...Have a pleasant tomorrow...

JB

[Cover2]

Jay -- respond to my post so you'll get to "50" quicker so we can all see your review....LOL

[jaybeeamsterdam]

It would really be a cheap trick if I responded to your post just to get to number 50...

[j1sauce]

Originally posted by paladin
wide variety of massage strokes used to physically stimulate the soft tissues heh.

paladin, what effect does sex/orgasm have on the flow of Qi?

[paladin]

Originally posted by j1sauce
... what effect does sex/orgasm have on the flow of Qi?

Sexual orgasm releases (depletes) qi energy. For this reason many masters (and many Tantric practitioners, too) have learned how to have orgasms without ejaculating. By retaining the ejaculate, it is believed, that the loss of Qi can be minimized.

Cumming without ejactulating is really quite an experience. It takes a long time to learn the technique; but it does work.

[jruder]

I have gone toabout 5 or 6 Tui-na places in Manhattan over the past year of so...Always the same procedure. I concentrate on the places that have a private room or cubicle...the one's that just have a screen ...forget it, nothing can ever happen. First visit straight massage. I pay 45 plus 15, 20 tip...go back and see the same girl the second time...try to get her to touch my johnson...No, I am a good girl...Third time, she plays with my balls while on my belly...I arch up and she reaches under and plays with my cock...I roll over, gives me hj. Plenty of hand roaming allowed for me. 45 for hour, plus 30 dollar tip!!! great value.

Twice I make appointments to see girl outside work, naturally more available, for more money...130.

[biggod]

Originally posted by jruder
I have gone toabout 5 or 6 Tui-na places in Manhattan over the past year of so...Always the same procedure. I concentrate on the places that have a private room or cubicle...the one's that just have a screen ...forget it, nothing can ever happen. First visit straight massage. I pay 45 plus 15, 20 tip...go back and see the same girl the second time...try to get her to touch my johnson...No, I am a good girl...Third time, she plays with my balls while on my belly...I arch up and she reaches under and plays with my cock...I roll over, gives me hj. Plenty of hand roaming allowed for me. 45 for hour, plus 30 dollar tip!!! great value.

Twice I make appointments to see girl outside work, naturally more available, for more money...130.

Jruder,

That sound interesting, Which places are the best to get a girl to see you outside. How often do this happen??

[rogue]

Anybody hit that Qi Gong/Tui Na place on the North Side of the street in Westbury around Roosevelt Field area?

[biggod]

Originally posted by rogue
Anybody hit that Qi Gong/Tui Na place on the North Side of the street in Westbury around Roosevelt Field area?


I've never notice it. Any more info

[jruder]

The place I had best luck was at place on Lex near 28th...Her name is Lily, she always insisted that the boss didn't allow hjs, but always managed to sneak it in from my 3rd visit on. We exchanged phone #s (hers was a cell, no longer good). Anyway, I met her one morning before she had to get to work, took her to La Semana Hotel for 1-1/2 - /2 hrs. Also met her second time.

[Stitch]

The Tui Na places are becoming more difficult for hobbyists. They seem to offer less and less privacy, and I don't like those timers they're all starting to use that ring like nasty alarm clocks. Massages are still great, but I also hate listening to the guy one sheet over snoring or having his back pounded...

Can anyone suggest any places that offer some privacy? I've about given upon on 23rd and Lex and Spring on Madison.

[petehanse]

Stitch, good review........but guy snoring .....another guy getting his back pounded. Now, that sounds exciting! How about some pounding of a young Asian filly lying below you, or a wild cowgirl ride. I guess your only alternative at this place is to go to sleep and dream about it! As they say in the old country..........fuck it!

[PI0072003]

Originally posted by jruder
The place I had best luck was at place on Lex near 28th...Her name is Lily, she always insisted that the boss didn't allow hjs, but always managed to sneak it in from my 3rd visit on. We exchanged phone #s (hers was a cell, no longer good). Anyway, I met her one morning before she had to get to work, took her to La Semana Hotel for 1-1/2 - /2 hrs. Also met her second time.

And the contect info is

[Woody]

Originally posted by PI0072003
And the contect info is

Who use to say "An Andy for a Haandi?"

Woody

[biggod]

Originally posted by Woody
Who use to say "An Andy for a Haandi?"

Woody


Woody,

you lost me on that one

[njnystud]

Theirs a place located on 2nd ave above a chinese take out called Chen's something. Does anybody know this place?? BTW don't eat at the take out place because I found a dead roach in my food.

[sexpert]

Originally posted by njnystud
Theirs a place located on 2nd ave above a chinese take out called Chen's something. Does anybody know this place?? BTW don't eat at the take out place because I found a dead roach in my food.

where on 2nd ave? LES midtown or UES?

[sexpert]

is it me? or are there so many of these new places? well I went back to the formosa place and still no luck. Great massage though for 25 bucks and a 5 dolllar tip, I am still trying to figure out how to get some HR from this place, is it possible?

Went past Wu Lim, seems they are looking for new clientelle as i walked by and stared in...... they were staring at me and waiting for me to go in,..... too open for me!

and...... last of all where are the reviews for that spring street place? seems that there was only 1 review?

[Jack_Maehoffer]

Originally posted by njnystud
Theirs a place located on 2nd ave above a chinese take out called Chen's something. Does anybody know this place?? BTW don't eat at the take out place because I found a dead roach in my food.

That was for starters, Your chicken mai fun was sars laiden cat.... ;)

[njnystud]

Originally posted by sexpert
where on 2nd ave? LES midtown or UES?

It was close to the 59th street bridge on 2nd ave.

[njnystud]

Originally posted by Padrone
That was for starters, Your chicken mai fun was sars laiden cat.... ;)

Now I'm never going to eat chinese food from take out places again.

[sexpert]

Originally posted by njnystud
It was close to the 59th street bridge on 2nd ave.

Thats a little to far up for me, I know the area but im not familiar with the LE situation there so im gonna stay away, but feel free to post a rev whenever u get teh chance to check it out!

[jeterock]

Originally posted by sexpert
is it me? or are there so many of these new places? well I went back to the formosa place and still no luck. Great massage though for 25 bucks and a 5 dolllar tip, I am still trying to figure out how to get some HR from this place, is it possible?

Went past Wu Lim, seems they are looking for new clientelle as i walked by and stared in...... they were staring at me and waiting for me to go in,..... too open for me!

and...... last of all where are the reviews for that spring street place? seems that there was only 1 review?

Hey sexpert, if it's the place I'm thinking of, the Spring street place is closed. There is a bright orange NYPD Vice sticker on the door saying it has been shut down.

[Cover2]

Hey -- you're not talking about "Graceful Services" are you?If you are ther are a lot of reviews here, and it's totally legit. The most you'll get is the back of your nuts tickeled...

[sexpert]

Originally posted by jeterock
Hey sexpert, if it's the place I'm thinking of, the Spring street place is closed. There is a bright orange NYPD Vice sticker on the door saying it has been shut down.

Thanks for the heads up, been a few new places possibly worth checking out, along the lines of grand and allen. BTW have u tried formosa yet?

[jeterock]

Originally posted by sexpert
Thanks for the heads up, been a few new places possibly worth checking out, along the lines of grand and allen. BTW have u tried formosa yet?

Hey sexpert. I was there and well, no dice. I've been doing some recon in the area. If I see something well..let me leave it at that for now.

[pinga]

Originally posted by sexpert
Thanks for the heads up, been a few new places possibly worth checking out, along the lines of grand and allen. BTW have u tried formosa yet? sexpert, is this Formosa on Madison in Chinatown???

[cityguy1170]

Alright!!! Finally something about Chinatown!! Keep the clues coming!!! Specially you Sexpert! Gee Gay Yun, Ah!!

[jruder]

As a newbie (about a month now) I still find UG kinda of confusing. Threads seem to get all mixed up. They start on some topic and seem to get hijacked in 10 different directions. It makes it kinda hard to track info down.

Also, I appreciate the tips and leads, and have given a couple myself. But to be honest I keep feeling like the other shoe is gonna drop on the girls. Anyway, the two messages I posted previously about different tui na places didn't seem to result in anything bad for the girls, so here is another one

I have visited "Mary" on Madison Street in Chinatown three times since May. She advertises in NYP as Miss Mary "asian Female Bodywork Specialist". Here is the way it works. She gives you an address tells you to call again when you get there and then tells you to wait in front of the building. This is her security deal. She is actually next door. She looks you over from the window or the stoop and then comes and gets you. If she doesn't like your looks, you wasted the trip. She is mid-30's, about 5'7, 34B, nice ass. The building is kinda dumpy and it aint the cleanest place in the world. She takes me into a bdroom with double bed. I take off all my clothes lay face down on clean towel stretched across the bed. She climbs on top of back and starts giving me massage, asking me few qns about what I do for living. I find out she's from Taiwan. About 5-7 minutes later she says do you want have sex. I'm a little confused because I used to taking the initiative. I ask her what she means (that's how confused I was). She motions with her hands indicating bj, hj, or fs. I choose bj. She takes off all her clothese. Everything is covered, but best cbj ever hand.
The price: $40 for massage plus 40 for the bj. She says fs would be 60.

However, when I went back the second time, fs went for the same 40 extra. She talks a lot but I find it cute. Once she explained to me she used to work in a beauty shop around the corner fucking customers in the back room but it got closed down. Another time she told me it was a gread day for fucking as she spread her legs and invited me in. Another time as I was sucking her tits she made derogatory remarks about american girls who get the tits done and they turn rock hard.

The third time it was my birthday, so I decided to try two girls. There is another girl at the same apartment...she advertises as Miss Eling. She was not attractive, a bit chubby, around 40 but huge tits. Anyway it was the first time for me with 2 girls. Incredible, one sucking my dick, while I sucked the others tits. They were careful...changing condoms when I switched from fucking one pussy and moving on to the other. Same price for each girls 80 each...160 for two. Best birthday ever had.

[Jack_Maehoffer]

NYC is a treasure trove of providers. Nookie & Crannies, such a

wonderful thing! Oh happy day! euphoria! Onward GPS I need

another indie to rub away my soreness. "Give me liberty, give me

nookie, or give me 2 for the $ of 1" >sigh

[jruder]

Here is another review to share. Kyoto advertises in NYP. Located on 33rd street between 2nd and 3rd, groundfloor apartment. $70 fee at the beginning for massage. Always 2 Korean girls. My regular is Judy. 35, preety, thin, 32b. The shiatsu message is better than tui na becuase they don't use baby oil all over your body that the wife then smells when you go home. Anyway, starts with a shower. She helps you dry off, especially helpful in drying cock & balls. Hint of things to come. On the first time, great massage, leading up to special attention to ass, inner thighs and uh,oh mr johnson. Flip over, excellent hj (using oil), no objection to roaming hands, up blouse, accidently opened her bra, etc.
Second visit we cut short the massage, as I flip over myself early with raging hardon. "Oh sexy man" I ask her if put on condum would she suck me. Sure she says. Not the greatest cbj but enjoyable. I force her pants down rubbing her pussy. She stops me, puts some oil on her pussy to libricate, prceed to finger fucking, exploring asshole too. I moan I want to fuck you. "You give me good tip?" Yes...she rides me cowgirl on the table, then we switch to mish, I think she actually enjoyed it. Tasty DATY too.

Have repeated with her 3 times. I got her cell number and she has mine. Sometimes she calls me if I haven't been around and tells me she misses me. Very prsonal touch. She told me i'm the only customer she fucks. I feel so special.

On one occasion there was a mix up about when she was going to be there...I called on the cell to tell her I was on my way but she was not working. She told me to go in and ask for Annie (32, pretty, 34 b) who was a sweet girl. Tits were indeed sweeter than Judy's. Annie wouldn't fuck on first appoitment but just about everything else was available...took off her clothes, fingers wandered wherever curiousity took them, licking, etc.

Price may be a bit steep for some...70 when you enter for the massage, and i tip 100 for fs. But its great.

[eatkunt]

Originally posted by Woody
Who use to say "An Andy for a Haandi?"

Woody

Me...

[sexpert]

Originally posted by jruder
She stops me, puts some oil on her pussy to libricate, prceed to finger fucking, exploring asshole too. I moan I want to fuck you. "You give me good tip?" Yes...she rides me cowgirl on the table, then we switch to mish, I think she actually enjoyed it. Price may be a bit steep for some...

What is wrong with this picture? oil on her pussy, condom on the oil, condom in the pussy......

Price may be a bit steep for some..... hows about giving the wife some Korean STD........

Priceless!

[njnystud]

Originally posted by jruder



I have visited "Mary" on Madison Street in Chinatown three times since May. She advertises in NYP as Miss Mary "asian Female Bodywork Specialist".
.

Jruder,

First that was a nice review. I couldn't find the ad in the NYP so can you give more contact info

Thanks,
NJNY

[jruder]

It's in this week's NYP ( "Screen this" cover with popcorn and middle finger), under licensed massage p. 101, left coloumn.

[Mxaah]

Originally posted by jruder
Here is another review to share. .......


Kudos to you Jruder,

Great review and very informative. Keep them coming and please ignore the assholes that don't do anything but criticize any post that doesn't fit his needs.

[sexpert]

Its not a criticism....... its a creative fair warning for him to be a little more careful.....

I am not a hater.... I love each and every one of you in here, I just want everyone to keep safe hobbying.....

Sheesh! talk about SENSITIVE!

[cityboy]

Jruder: Looked for Kyoto in NYP to no avail. Any hints as to what to look for in the ad?

[Mxaah]

Originally posted by jruder
It's in this week's NYP ( "Screen this" cover with popcorn and middle finger), under licensed massage p. 101, left coloumn.

jruder,

You got some balls, I just remembered... I gave her a call in August, steamy day.... the place is right off the the East broadway station, crowded street (not the best crowd), anyway, I felt so uncomfortable that I left (of course I called her from outside and said that I had changed my mind).

Dumpy place allright. Glad you got to have a nice time though.

Haamx

[jruder]

Originally posted by cityboy
Jruder: Looked for Kyoto in NYP to no avail. Any hints as to what to look for in the ad?

You guys gotta work on your reading skills. First someone couldn't find the miss mary ad...now Kyoto.

In this week's NYP under licensed massage, p 101, second colum , 6th ad down...it's about two inches on the diaganol away from Miss Mary.

[jruder]

Originally posted by haamx
jruder,

You got some balls, I just remembered... I gave her a call in August, steamy day.... the place is right off the the East broadway station, crowded street (not the best crowd), anyway, I felt so uncomfortable that I left (of course I called her from outside and said that I had changed my mind).

Dumpy place allright. Glad you got to have a nice time though.

Haamx

Yes, it is a slumy place. But worked out fine for me. She only works noon to 7pm (last customer). Leaves at 8...(actually i think her sessions are only 45 mins)

Jruder

[pinga]

jruder, very nice review.......she used to go by the name Amy when she worked at a salon on Eldridge and Division......she may be too old for some of the mongers here, but she is a very nice person.......though about seeing her again but Flushing keep me busy.

[Intown]

I couldn't find the Miss Mary or Kyoto ad on the NYP online classified ads so I guess I'll have to venture out and buy a paper.

[almbxny]

I have a question for you jruder,
, I have gone to both of those ladies before, I have tried to get a doubles massage and was met with confusion. (I think the language barrier). How did you get both of them for a massage? Did you ask mary or the miss eling?

[jruder]

Originally posted by almbxny
I have a question for you jruder,
, I have gone to both of those ladies before, I have tried to get a doubles massage and was met with confusion. (I think the language barrier). How did you get both of them for a massage? Did you ask mary or the miss eling?

Mary...And there wasn't any language problem. They understand "two girls" very clearly. I arranged it over the phone. You might run into problem if the second one has an appointmet coming in.

[biggod]

Originally posted by Intown
I couldn't find the Miss Mary or Kyoto ad on the NYP online classified ads so I guess I'll have to venture out and buy a paper.


intown,


here you go

http://www.nypress.com/static/class_result.cfm?classcat=720&classcat_category=700&search=

just scroll down the page you will see it.

BG

[Intown]

Thanks Biggod!

[jruder]

FYI, I ran into Lisa ( the tiny girl with excellent hr skills) from old 95 Spring at Tui Na place 3rd St betw 6th Ave and MacDoug in village. Now known as Wendy. Off Tuesdays.

Jruder

[shape]

So keep up here, i'm new at this but i found a great AMP at 32nd and 5th. 70 for a great massage, probably a 4, did my back an all that, i turned over, she tickled my cock a bit then jerked me off. THEN, cleaned it off with a hot towel and finished by doing my quads and shoulders. I only had 20 for tip, which was ok, but they like 40.

[biggod]

Originally posted by jruder
FYI, I ran into Lisa ( the tiny girl with excellent hr skills) from old 95 Spring at Tui Na place 3rd St betw 6th Ave and MacDoug in village. Now known as Wendy. Off Tuesdays.

Jruder

Jruder,

does she address anywhere???? Any additional info like service cost etc.... How many in this place???

[jruder]

Originally posted by biggod
Jruder,

does she address anywhere???? Any additional info like service cost etc.... How many in this place???

It's 48 plus tips...seemed to be about 4 girls there. the cubicles weren't as private as i would like.

Jruder

[bfl13]

Jruder- Have you seen ms Eling by herself or just with Mary? Just tossing around the idea of heading down to chinatown for "lunch".

[jruder]

Originally posted by bfl13
Jruder- Have you seen ms Eling by herself or just with Mary? Just tossing around the idea of heading down to chinatown for "lunch".

never eling by herself. doesn't really appeal to me.

[biggod]

Originally posted by jruder
never eling by herself. doesn't really appeal to me.

Why does miss don't want to see asian.

[Tyed]

Originally posted by biggod
Why does miss don't want to see asian.

I'm of asian descent...and she said I was the "first" asian she's been with.

She said that when she saw me through the door/window, she almost refused because I was asian. She said my wearing khakis was also a point against me(gang related?). Said something like "gweilo", the meaning of which I still don't know.

I think she's afraid of men who are physically bigger or asian because they may be dangerous or threatening. Possibly a fear of asians because they might be gang members/ part of organized crime.

I'm rather short...between 5'3 and 5'4, so I guess I didn't look like a threat to her safety.

[jeterock]

Originally posted by shape
So keep up here, i'm new at this but i found a great AMP at 32nd and 5th. 70 for a great massage, probably a 4, did my back an all that, i turned over, she tickled my cock a bit then jerked me off. THEN, cleaned it off with a hot towel and finished by doing my quads and shoulders. I only had 20 for tip, which was ok, but they like 40.
32nd and 5th or 33rd and 5th. I know a spot on 33rd on 5th do you mean there? Just looking to hit a freash spot. Thanks for the info:)

[cityguy1170]

She said that when she saw me through the door/window, she almost refused because I was asian. She said my wearing khakis was also a point against me(gang related?). Said something like "gweilo", the meaning of which I still don't know.

I think she's afraid of men who are physically bigger or asian because they may be dangerous or threatening. Possibly a fear of asians because they might be gang members/ part of organized crime.

I'm rather short...between 5'3 and 5'4, so I guess I didn't look like a threat to her safety.


Damn... Then I'm shit outta luck!!!
1) I'm Asian
2) I'm 6'1"
3) AND I'm 250+lb!!!!
But, I don't wear khakis...
So, I guess I'll try somewhere else... Besides, her place is VERY close to home!

[cityboy]

Finally tried Wink yesterday, since I was taking the day off. Cute girls, but for me it was just a standard massage, nothing extra at all, and nothing alluded to. Could get better with return visits, but doesn't look good as of now, especially since their nails and pedicure business seems to be doing quite well.

[jaybeeamsterdam]

Thanks for taking one for the team and checking out wink. I for one have been staying with Phoenix. Had a really terrible massage last week, but it was my own fault for going with a new girl I guess. My regular is only there on the weekdays. Never tried any serious roaming, but best massage ever from my regular.

I wonder if anyone knows if Michele from the place on lex and 28th ever resurfaced? Also there is a new place on park called Jasmine- anyone tried it?

[jaybeeamsterdam]

I was thinking about trying one of the FS asian places constantly posting on CL. Anyone have any reccomendations?

Thanks-

JB

[EVdenizen]

Originally posted by jaybeeamsterdam
........ Also there is a new place on park called Jasmine- anyone tried it?

There's a girl named Ami who gives a pretty good massage and HJ.

[cityboy]

I wonder if anyone knows if Michele from the place on lex and 28th ever resurfaced? Also there is a new place on park called Jasmine- anyone tried it? [/B]

All I can tell you is she's definitely not at JunYi.

[jaybeeamsterdam]

Went to Jasmine on Park down the block from Starbucks. My regular girl at my regular place was out today so decided to try something new. Mama-san seemed nice. Rooms were ok, curtains for doors though. Girl who came in was beastly. No idea of age, could have been 20 or 40. Big boned. NOT atractive. Good massage. Figured I would close my eyes and think about thailand for ending. Ending never came for me. I asked (that just shows how horniness can over come all else) and she smiled but said deffinately no. Sounded like the guy next door may have been getting something, but he could have just been a heavy breather too.

I may give this place another try. I don't like to ask for girls by name unless I get there name from them or Mama-san so i didn't ask for amy. Anyway- massage was ok, $50 for the hour plus I tipped $15. I think next time I am gonna call up and ask mama-san for "a young pretty girl". Anyone know if mama-san is cool with extras (I mean her girls giving them)?

-JB

[cityboy]

Haven't been there, but have always been curious when walking by. Upstairs, right? Thanks for checking in on it for us.

[jaybeeamsterdam]

Thank EVDenizen. He seems to have checked out each and every place in this hood. I would love to buy him a beer one day and pick his brain.

I have been really bummed ever since michelle left jun-yi. I am hoping that with a little work I will find a suitable replacement at Jasmine. I really like my spot, but sometimes I don't feel like dealing with the locker room shower stuff and just want a good massage for cheap with a pleasant ending.

I am off to my spot right now actually as my regular is in today, plus I get the massage for 20 plus tip since I have amazing been there 10 times now!

Cityboy or EVDenizen- 2 querstions: have you guys tried "my place" (Phoenix)?

got any other suggestions?

Thanks fellas-

JB

[jaybeeamsterdam]

I always wonder if the guy walking in or out when I am in a massage place also reads UG. I think we should have some sort of a secret code, like, you could say "good massages here" and the answer would be "just like utopia"... Just a thought...

Another one was a "massage and a beer" outing. Let me know if anyone is interested...

-JB

[EVdenizen]

Originally posted by jaybeeamsterdam
.............
Cityboy or EVDenizen- 2 querstions: have you guys tried "my place" (Phoenix)?

got any other suggestions?

Thanks fellas-

JB

Never tried Phoenix, as I'm not really into the locker-room / tableshower environment in many of these Korean places. My tastes are more pedestrian, i.e. " I make 'em turn down the light, close my eyes and dream of Roppongi ". There are 2 places I can recommend, but in both cases, the experience is limited to one girl. There's one on 5th Avenue, around 32nd Street (239-0005). A girl named Mimi gave me a wonderful massage, even changed into a dress (!) to facilitate roaming, and made my Roppongi dream a wet one. The other place is over on 29th Street, on the westside. They, too, advertise in the NY Press and VV. The # is 929-3898, I believe. The 2 times I've been there I saw a girl named Anika (I believe she's from Shanghai) who gave a very nice, soothing massage with the kind of embellishment we whoreboard dwellers crave. She looks like one of those cute girls you might see on the 7 train in the morning, going to classes at City College. As for Jasmine's Mamasan, if you mean the little short / shorthaired lady at the desk....she's governed by the bottom line. Last time she talked me into staying 2 hours. But then again, I'm not really a good negotiator.
Hope this adds a couple of happy moments to your life.

EVd

[jruder]

I tired Phoenix about 5 or 6 months ago and was real disappointed, so never went back. Good massage from preety chinese girl, who was wearing a skirt rather than pants which I wrongly interpreted as promise of excellent raoming, but all she would tolerate was touching her legs (below the Knees!). No sexy tickling,no teasing. At the end she gave me a nice hug (I was naked) and made sure she couldn't fail to notice my raging erection. Asked her for release and she said they don't do that.

That was it, never went back. The more I pursue this hobby the more I want...I'm feeling like simple hr aint enough. I at least need the roaming, fingering, titsucking, though i just always want more. Maybe I getting addicted?

jruder

[jaybeeamsterdam]

So where are your current favorite places for lotsa roaming? Its true the roaming does not seem to be on the menu at Phoenix, although I have never really tried too hard.

-JB

[jruder]

There's a caandian folk song frm the maritime provinces I was heard, I'm a roamer pure and simple...

As I've mentioned on the midtown review thread several times, I getting plenty of roaming at Golden Garden on 5th. Ave...especially with Lisa. Also, Kyoto, in a private apt in midtown (see ad in NYP). My fav there is Judy, but also fun with Annie. Tho of course ymmv and so may tip.

jruder

[cityboy]

Haven't tried Phoenix yet, and I'm not sure I will due to the extremely mixed reviews. I plan on checking out Golden Garden at some point. I still go to Nu Look most regularly, as roaming is pretty steady there with the right girl.

As for JunYi, have you been back since Michelle left? I have a couple times and nothing of note has happened.

Regarding Kyoto, I've been looking for this place for a while like a retard, and I just can't find it in NYP.

[Zeffy1]

I went to Jasmine earlier this week and asked for Ami. Unbelievably great massage, one of the best I've had at an amp, but as jaybeeamsterdam similary reported, the ending was not as happy as I would have liked. Ami was very nice, and the massage was just sensual enough that I was pretty convinced by the end that it would be a go, but she just kept smiling, shaking her head and saying "sorry". I checked my pride at the door so I was fairly persistent (while staying pleasant), but it was a no-go. my guess is that they've seen an upswing in business after the posts here so they are more cautious with first time customers. it really was a great massage though so I didn't feel too bad about it.

I did see someone else there when I left and I was guessing he was a UG'er, we should definitely have a password.

[EVdenizen]

Originally posted by cityboy
..................
Regarding Kyoto, I've been looking for this place for a while like a retard, and I just can't find it in NYP.

http://www.nypress.com/static/class_result.cfm?classcat=720&classcat_category=700&search=

Scroll down and look at the ads on the right side. It's light blue.

[cityboy]

I was looking so hard within the text that the GIANT GRAPHIC didn't even phase me. Thanks.

[Cover2]

Hey guys,

I'm actually the type that goes for straight massage & r/t. I really dont go too far w/ my roaming. But as far as Phoenix goes, I never roamed w/ my regular (Sophia, somehat pretty , nice thick body, smooth skin & junk in the trunk) that much, just rubbed her smooth legs and nice, big fat arse! She also, seems to keep her eyes closed during the deed, though opens up wide, when i grunt...lol -- which i know is a turn off for most. But shes sweet and has a nice fat bum. Any reports on how far she goes? Or is this di rigeur for Phoenix?

[jaybeeamsterdam]

I have been with three girls at Phoenix. the "dirtiest" is/was (not sure if she is still there) michelle. She just barely licked my nuts once, and would do the whole fake bj thing, which I don't really get. Other two I have been with, including my regular, stand outside of the roaming are while they do the hj.

Next spot on my list is either Fairy Herb or Kyoto. Anyone know where kyoto is located? Also the price and tip at kyoto?

Thanks-

JB

this thread and the midtown thread have had some great info lately thanks to all for opening up and sharing.

[cityboy]

Discovered another place in the hood called Top Nails on Lex betw. 28 and 29. They have a sign offering massage and what look to be some pretty private rooms in the back. Unfortunately, they appear to be doing a pretty good manicure/pedicure business in the front, much like Wink.

Has anyone tried this place out yet?

[jruder]

Originally posted by jaybeeamsterdam
I have been with three girls at Phoenix. the "dirtiest" is/was (not sure if she is still there) michelle. She just barely licked my nuts once, and would do the whole fake bj thing, which I don't really get. Other two I have been with, including my regular, stand outside of the roaming are while they do the hj.

Next spot on my list is either Fairy Herb or Kyoto. Anyone know where kyoto is located? Also the price and tip at kyoto?

Thanks-

JB

this thread and the midtown thread have had some great info lately thanks to all for opening up and sharing.

I just posted lengthy review of session with Christie at Herbal Fairy on Midtown review thread...
re: Kyoto I think I wrote a lengthy thing about Judy on there as well when i first started posting back in Oct/Nov. It's 70 for the house and then tip varies...40 for hr...and on up as she gets to know you after multiple visits .

jruder

[jruder]

oops I forgot to include that Kyoto is on 33rd off 3rd ave, ground floor apt. very private.

jruder

[cityboy]

So I'm going to try out one of these this week. Which would you recommend if I haven't been to any of them? I'm a roamer, and my regular haunt is NuLook.

[jruder]

I would NOT try Phoenix -- I don't think anybody says they got extensive roaming there. I have the best luck at Golden Garden (with Lisa C anyhow-- lots of titplay, fingering) even on the first visit. Also good at Kyoto-- better with Judy than Annie. Herbal Fairy the thing is really young, cute girls, but not the down and dirty roaming like at GG and K. Of course, there's always less on first visit than subsequent occasions.

jruder

[jaybeeamsterdam]

If it was up to me Cityboy, I would say go try Kyoto. Why? Because I haven't been there and I am very curious. :) I decided on trying Herbal Fairy this weekend and I liked it. Its wuite small and there are not many girls there but the girl I had was really funny and cool and I had a good time. I had Lala who only does massages if there is no one else available. There is a body scrub available but I don't think they had showers for afterwords.

Phoenix is like a mini nu-look. Two reasons I do not recommend it is that one- not really roaming friendly. And two there is a chance you will not even get HR your first time there. On the other hand if you find a good girl there it can be a great regular spot as it is nice and clean and the price is deff. right (only 65 plus tip).

It seems like there are loads of new places opening, hard to believe it can last. Anyway I vote for you trying Kyoto or Golden Garden. I deff think my next stop will be either Kyoto or back to Fairy. Other good thing about fairy was that they deff. know part of the reason you are there is HR. Still I think it is a little over priced considering it is more than Phoenix and is not quite as nice plus no shower, locker room.

Either way- let us know how it goes.

-JB

[jaybeeamsterdam]

J- what do the girls at kyoto look like? Young/old?

I am looking foward to seeing christie my next time at Herbal... Although Golden Garden sounds good now also... damn, too many choices too little time and money...

[jruder]

Originally posted by jaybeeamsterdam
J- what do the girls at kyoto look like? Young/old?

I am looking foward to seeing christie my next time at Herbal... Although Golden Garden sounds good now also... damn, too many choices too little time and money...

Both girls at Kyoto that have encountered are petite Korean girls. Judy is probably 35-37, quite slender. I think she's pretty but always reluctant to say whether 6 or 7 or whatever. She gives good massage. She's 34b (I once bought her a bra and panty set which she wears for me if i call a day in advance, so i am sure of the size. She doesn't have erect nipples, but very sweet breasts. She will let you finger her, front and back, though i can no longer remember if that's avaialble on first visit. After 2 or 3 visits for 100 tip the world is your oyster. Annie is younger, prettier, 34bs also with pert, erect nipples. On the first visit she'll take off her clothese , though she kept her panties on. Splendid hr. I asked her about cbj, but she said only for boyfriend. I told her I wanted to be her boyfriend but it didnt work.

jruder

[Cover2]

Originally posted by jruder
I asked her about cbj, but she said only for boyfriend. I told her I wanted to be her boyfriend but it didnt work.

jruder

LMAO!!!!

[cityboy]

thanks, jaybee. what's the cost at kyoto and herbal, comparatively?

[jruder]

jaybeeamsterdam, so just outa curiosity, wherever you decide to visit, Golden Garden or Kyoto, whatever, this week, i'd be curious to see your review of the event.

jruder

[jruder]

Now that i reexamined thread it likes it is cityboy who is going check things out this week. same qn anyhow!

[cityboy]

you betcha, jruder.

[jaybeeamsterdam]

Herbal is 70 plus tip for massage 100 plus tip for 1 1/2 hours including body scrub. Never been to Kyoto but I think Jruder or Evdenizen posted the price in this or the midtown thread. I think Kyoto may be next on my list.

-JB

[jruder]

Kyoto is 70 plus tip for 1 hr.

jruder

[cityboy]

Finally had a chance to check this place out this week. My experience was a bit...weird.

I called ahead and made an appointment. Mamasan asked for my phone number when making the appointment, which I didn't really like, but I went ahead and gave her my cell #. I showed up on time, but Judy was running late. No big deal.

The massage itself was great - Judy has a very good technique and I was melting. Of course, after a while, the light touching started.

She must have been unsure about my status (LE or not?), so she asked me to put her hand on my friend for her. After that, she proceeded to execute a fine HR. Complete roaming was allowed, nothing more. I didn't really ask / want any more, to be honest. She seemed a bit rushed, though, saying, "You come now. You come now," a couple times. I don't like being rushed. What's more, when I checked my watch after leaving, the complete massage was maybe 50 minutes MAX.

Judy is great, but for me she's a tad too old. While I had fun, I probably won't be back. I paid $70 + $50 tip. Would have paid $70+40, but I didn't have any 10s and didn't want to ask for change.

What's very strange, though, is that I got two calls on my cell phone about 10-15 minutes after I left. Both were hangups. Both were numbers from Flushing. Really bizarre, and a bit annoying, especially since mamasan asked for my number when I made the appointment. Do the Kyoto girls make a point of calling back after to say thanks, or anything like that? If so, I don't really dig that practice for obvious reasons.

I can understand why some might love this place. To each his own. Thanks for the recommendations, guys.

[jaybeeamsterdam]

I was just about to go to Kyoto when I read cityboys review. I had actually called them up and spoke tp what sounded like an older lady on the phone. I'll be there in 20 minutes i said. "No, no, 30 minutes" she said. Well, in my experience this usually means 45 minutes and that along with cityboys review mad me decide to go back to Herbal Fairy.

I get to herbal fairy and there is a guy in the lobby talking on his cell saying how he is trying to get to the 4th floor (herbal is on the 5th) and I hear him say ok I am coming up now. We both get on the elevator he presses 4, i press 5. Elevator stops on 3, I can't see much but it looks like someone apartment. Smells like incence and pot. Lady says, "what the hell is going on here" he says I am trying to go to 4. SHe says "do they know you are coming" he replies yes and then she says "ok, they are gonna let you up now" I couldn't see the lady. Elevator stops on 4 and a little asian girl is waiting and invites him in...

I get to five and all the lights are out and the days mail is sitting outside the door...

IS herbal fairy closed for good? What is going on in this building? Looks to me like there is some FS activities. Anyone have any info?

Well, I decided to head up two blocks to Golden Garden. What a mistake! This place does not have a nice ambiance at all. Really dirty feel. I got a really fugly girl namde dani I think. NOt so good massage, so-so hr. 60 at door plus 40 tip. I would not reccomend based on my one experience. I couldn't wait to get out of there. I am now thinking my next time will be at a FS AMP. Any reccomendations in the area?

I really hope Herbal Fairy is not gone as it was very good.

-JB

[tesla]

Don't you love this hobby? Maybe Lala got freaked by all the recent publicity.

Regarding FS AMP why don't you take one for the team and try Sushi? I'm trying to stay away from AMPS until March (don't laugh).

[jaybeeamsterdam]

What is so special about march? Is that when the herpes clears up? Just kidding. I feel that sushi is probably Ivy Spa, is there any info you have that it isn't? I think if I were to try one it would prob be coco's/ann's as they seem to have good consistent reviews plus 160 is really only a little more than what I end up paying at the regular AMP most of the time.

I was all ready to go this morning and then I achieved a little clarity (rosy palms) and realized I have spent way to much on massages this month.

If someone has a great place I guess I would be more willling to go. Otherwise I am gonna have to wait a few weeks before I spend more money on unexplored options. God, I wish I were in Thailand right now.

I will be back in July and Aug and I really should try and save my money till then. For the 100 I spent on a terrible massage and HJ experience at golden garden I could have had 2 19 year old hotties all night in thailand!

-JB

[Zeffy1]

went to Phoenix last night around 10:00 or so. The male "mamassan" was actually very nice. He said they had two "girls" available: ****** and Michelle. I asked which gave the better massage and he said ******, with a knowing sort of grin. Then he said, "you won't say anything?" - I didn't know if he meant not to tell LE or not to tell Michelle he thinks she's second tier! In any case, massage was very, very solid from ******, though to use the term "girl" is a big stretch. The term, "middle age woman" seems much more applicable. Great back massage - nice and firm, and then she started moving down closer and closer to my butt, but never quite doing the full on crack-tease. At some point I got a little frustrated with all the almost-teasing and I just put her hand on me from underneath. She got the message and went right to work, great HR - nice and slow with lots of rear-play (I was on my front, almost on all fours at this point). then I finished and she asked if I wanted more massage - she hadn't done my legs or anything so I said yes. she told me to flip and immediately started doing the almost-tease business again on the front - no more actual massage to be had apparently. well the almost-teasing was enough to get the general at attention again, which again she seemed to ignore until I placed her hand on him. she sort of chuckled like - you can go again? but did not protest. Another fine hr followed and then she told me - massage over. one nice thing: hot towels to clean me off after both hr's. one not so nice thing: no roaming. I was allowed to grace her butt but that was it.
I paid +65 door and +20 tip (I'm personally trying to combat the over-tipping phenomenon, there was no complaint or bad look with the tip, which is nice)

[note: in posting this message the system automatically deleted the woman's name who gave the massage, but left the other one's name in. odd. if there is great interest as to who the ******* woman is that gave me the massage, let me know]

[tesla]

Sushi is in the low 400's on Park... that ain't Ivy. I also have a hunkering for extra extras and want to try a place in the high 300's on 8th Avenue. Called once and young FOTB says .7, called a week later to go and no nonsense mamasan says $$. Sushi also quotes $$. If I knew I would also get great massage and full hour I would be more inclined to go FS AMP. The trouble I've found is those places are where the old tired hustle usually occurs. Then again, I'm no veteran.

[jaybeeamsterdam]

Zeffy- Glad to hear you had a good time at Phoenix. ONe of the things I like about the place is that the folks who work the front desk are all real nice and friendly. Michelle is pretty good too (though not at massage) and you might get some roaming with her. I am deff. interested to know who gave you your massage- I am assuming it was not kelly (she gives the best massage in NYC as far as I am concerned). I have to say I do not think 40 dollars is over tipping, considering you got two times and that the girls only get 20 dollars out of the 65, I gotta say i think 20 tip is a little cheap. But if you were both happy with it then who am I to judge- to each there own.

To Tesla- I too am a bit afraid of the hustle, its one thing if it is 200 all-in but if you get there and they start hustling for tips I would be unhappy. Another concern is that thw whole thing (me) will be over in 10 minutes. If it is two cups then great, but if it is only one cup FS and no massage I am more reluctant.

I think it would be kinda fun to all get together for a drink, each of us go try a diff spot and then meet up an hour later and trade reports. If anyone is interested, let me know.

JB

[sexpert]

Tu Na basement on lafayette btwn kenmare and spring right on the indian restaurant. Definately something there. The other night, i saw an older white guy coming out of there with a smile. I was staring at him, dying to ask him if there is anything to be had. He ran right back downstairs, paranoid i suppose. My spidey senses tell me something is going on here.

Another one, the previous kenmare place i was talking about. The other night i purposely looked into the window and stood there for a min. The lady prompted me to go in and promised it would be very pampering. I wonder what she meant? Kind of flirtatious but I declined since i had a dinner engagement in 15 mins. Definately something here also. Unless my spidey senses are not working as well as they used to.

[tesla]

Found a place in NY Press online classifieds near 40th Midtown. Place is a acupuncture doctor's office (very small, bathroom down the hall) in an office building. Upon arrival the old Doc is sitting there in the tiny front reception room watching "King of the Hill"! The provider, a late 30,s, early 40's gal from Bejing showed me to nice clean table in a small room where the Doc undoubtedly does his needle work. Now fellas, I've learned to walk away, but the lady had a still hot tiny figure and I've been actually looking for an acupuncture guy for a pain problem so I figured I'd get a massage and enjoy the weirdness. The gal gave me a very good massage, not as strong as I like but she has these tiny hands that emit heat. On the flip, I grab her very cute little ass and away we go. She winds up nude on top of me, but tells me she has no condom. I have her sit on my face (always thought you guys were crazy to do this with providers but she was very fresh), she declined BBBJ, but wound up nice titty sucking with the HR. Afterwards, she gives me a nice face massage, I give her .5 tip. Very sweet gal. Pay the old papasan .6 on the way out (he was literally within 10 feet the whole time). The old gent tells me If I come 5 times, sixth visit free. Can't recommend this place for most of you, just too weird. But for me, it satisfied a lot of my requirements.

[Mxaah]

Originally posted by tesla
Found a place in NY Press online classifieds near 40th Midtown. ......

Tesla,

Thanks for your reviews man, you are a real trooper.

BTW, I went to the place you reviewed the other day (26th) and had a great time. You're right, the girls, whom I met on my way out, are lots of fun !! For a moment there I thought they'd rape me LOL.

Keep up the good work !

Haamx

[concept153]

you guys talking about the place on 26th (1st floor up the stairs) ?
Was there 2 weeks ago. Great session for .5 house fee. Didn't like the curtain on doorway and my cube was directly facing the restroom. didn't get name of my massage lady who look to be early 30s, decent looking. Sign on wall in cube say "NO Sex allowed" along with poster of a human body with inside view of muscule and nervous system layout. Happy ending (HR/HJ) on flip was good and I was able to get as far as her removing bra and did some sucking upon release on first visit. Of course YMMV and depend on how you look. Gave her a .5 tip, don't know if that is too much, but I gave as how I felt and of her attitude towards me.
Will drop by again.

[concept153]

After going through this whole thread, pickup a NYP and found the ad. Gave her a call to make appt. Told her I was Asian as postings say she wary of Asian guys. She actually call me back to verify this and we talk as i explained myself which seem to put her at ease. Drop by address she gave me so she can check me out before she come out and escort me to real address. I passed her scrutiny and proceed in. Yes, the place is not too good, but what you expect in that area. Got the room by window which she check me out. Gave me a good massage for half hour and ask do I want HJ? BJ? or FS? and quotes are same from postings. Opt for FS as it is only .2 more than BJ. Gave me CBJ and did her in mish and pop there quick (was horny that day). Clean me up with paper towels. Overall $.2 including tip. She gave me direct contact info and the name was Amy on it. Fairly good looking lady with nice tits and body. There is a Amy mentioned previously here postings, could be the same one. Again, they will look you over if you never been there before to decide if you are worth the risk. This is more of a no frills quickie for the price. If you want better accommodation, search elsewhere. This is not a walk-in, you need to call ahead first.

Thanks to jruder, tesla, & haamx & sexpert for all their reviews which entice me to these last two places.

[EVdenizen]

Originally posted by sexpert
Tu Na basement on lafayette btwn kenmare and spring right on the indian restaurant. Definately something there. The other night, i saw an older white guy coming out of there with a smile. I was staring at him, dying to ask him if there is anything to be had. He ran right back downstairs, paranoid i suppose. My spidey senses tell me something is going on here.

Another one, the previous kenmare place i was talking about. The other night i purposely looked into the window and stood there for a min. The lady prompted me to go in and promised it would be very pampering. I wonder what she meant? Kind of flirtatious but I declined since i had a dinner engagement in 15 mins. Definately something here also. Unless my spidey senses are not working as well as they used to.

That place next to Spring Street Restaurant doess not look very appealing at all. Most tables are in the open and the place looks kind of seedy. Went downstairs to check it out, but decided against staying. There are quite a few people working there....most of them not attractive at all. They have another branch over on 14th, betw. 8th & 9th Avenues. Smaller setup, but also hardly any privacy. Just some hastily arranged screens between tables. Never conducive to extracurricular activity. The other place on Kenmare, near Elizabeth, also is somewhat legit. Went there a few times last summer, never was able to get anything. I think you're probably better off spending your bucks elsewhere. Another thing: These places look very unclean, even with the lights dimmed. The same assessment I would also give to the Tui-Na place on Crosby Street, also downstairs. It has probably around 20 cubicles and the manager then assigns a therapist to you, after you get on the table (!) My guess is that maybe one out of 10 people working there might be talked into giving you a HJ. But you might have to close your eyes and pretend you're in Bangkok.

[tesla]

I've been to this one and I think there might be a private room besides all the screened tables downstairs but I still think it's standard therapy only. What I've learned about the Tui Na places is if they get all indignant that you don't automatically submit to their protocol then they are probably standard therapy only. However, if they seem anxious to serve you and don't mind you looking at the girls, or asking about privacy then you might be in luck. All of these places can be better scoped when they are not busy, obviously. Of course, sniffing the air and poking your head around could give off LE signals not to mention the usual gweilo reaction. Most of the Chinatown Tui Na places that I've looked at seem legit although I'm sure girls will be girls to paraphrase. Midtown, however, is another story.

[jruder]

Cityboy - sorry you had poor experience with Judy. It's true that on occasion Judy does say You come soon. But my johnson thinks for himselfand never lets it bother him. I saw her Thurs...for $.20 tip got cbj, daty, fs - mish, doggy, cowgirl.

Sexpert - I tried the Tui Na downstairs on Lafayeete a year ago, totally legit and nada privacy. Pass it by.


Haamx, Tesla...confused about what your referring to ...someone else thought you meant 26th Street...near as i could make out i thought maybe it was reference to Tesla's post of 2/16 re 40th st. Yes?


jruder

[tesla]

I think my 26th Street review is on Midtown thread. Other place is 40th/Madison.

[Mxaah]

Originally posted by tesla
I think my 26th Street review is on Midtown thread. Other place is 40th/Madison.

Correct.

[jaybeeamsterdam]

Which place is the Ms. Mary place? Is she old, young, good looking?

Also any info on Herbal Fairy?

Thanks-

JB

[tesla]

You can find Miss Mary or Miss Eling in NY Press classifieds as well as VV?. A while back I called Miss Eling (I think) and was directed to an address adjacent to the actual location in the lower east village. After checking me out, I made the mistake of entering a dingy apartment and partaking the services of older fattie... probably the lowpoint of my hobbying life. After cleaning up in a filthy shower I ran into another provider there who was much slimmer but still well past 40. I notice that the MO for Mary is the same as Eling so I don't know if it's the same place or not and frankly I tend to read those posts very quickly because the memory starts coming back and I very much want to forget this encounter.

[Zoltan]

I keep passing a Tui Na place on 9th Avenue around 30th Street on my way to Penn Station every night. Is this place worth a visit? I'd be happy to take one for the team since I could use a good massage right now with or without a happy ending but any info would be appreciated.

[robnotbob]

There are a couple of Tui Na places I haven't tried....39th btwn 5/6, one "Sunlight"?? on Lex btwn 39/40..any word on those??

[Mxaah]

Originally posted by robnotbob
There are a couple of Tui Na places I haven't tried....39th btwn 5/6, one "Sunlight"?? on Lex btwn 39/40..any word on those??

Sunlight is pretty new.

Very relaxing atmosphere. Also, it's the only Tui Na place that I know of that has a shower room which is basically a hole in the wall but it serves its purpose.

Would recommend this place only if you are looking for a great massage. Ladies are quite old with the exception of 1 or 2 and extras are very limited.

Haamx

[Mxaah]

Originally posted by robnotbob
There are a couple of Tui Na places I haven't tried....39th btwn 5/6, .......

Are you referring to Sunflower Spa??

[EVdenizen]

Originally posted by tesla
I notice that the MO for Mary is the same as Eling so I don't know if it's the same place or not and frankly I tend to read those posts very quickly because the memory starts coming back and I very much want to forget this encounter.

They share that apartment (if you want to call it that).

[beatdown]

I'm new...who cares.

I have found that there is much to be found at the so-called legit places. It has come to the point that I can't even go to a bagel shop without checking if there is a back room...

Case in point, I went to some place on 26th and 7th (I think) fourfive for the massage. Blah blah flip..ho-dee-ho unsolicited bbbj. four-oh tip and done!

Went to a nail salon place in the E 40's (sorry, dont remember where exactly). Seemed pretty new. Rub a dub dub and fliparoo! LSS (I make up my own acronyms - long story short), I'm suckin gface with a cute Chinese woman of about 23 yrs. I would have gotten her number, but she said she lived with her mother...so I got her mother's number - just kidding.

Anyhow, we are living in a new world of over-advertising - (it all went down hill when the ads started having the girl's pictures on them), so it's a little more difficult to go the road less traveled. I takes more tries, effort and cash. I mean, it does not appeal to me to go to a place that ten peopel up her can vouch for (um, yuck)...so, back to the basics...like dating but you spend more, and at least get a massage.

Hey, how the heck do you start a thread around here? I was yelling at the "New Thread" button, but that didn't work. I even turned my monitor off and on, but that apparently did not fool this forum into think that I was someone else. Any advise appreciated.

Thanks

[tesla]

Yes indeed my friend, it is the hunt and not the shot is it not? Oh to be Asian and go even further into "that which lurks behind the ordinary". Oh well, there's always midtown. Since coming to the board I also feel conflicted about whether to post about an obscure pleasure zone but I think you'll find that the veterans (not me by any means) have already walked the road in front of you and I can sense them now reading these posts and smiling with no need to comment.

[jruder]

Originally posted by EVdenizen
They share that apartment (if you want to call it that).


See my lengthy review on Mary/Amy earlier in this thread (Oct. 30) for more info.

Jruder

[jruder]

Originally posted by tesla
Found a place in NY Press online classifieds near 40th Midtown. Place is a acupuncture doctor's office (very small, bathroom down the hall) in an office building. Upon arrival the old Doc is sitting there in the tiny front reception room watching "King of the Hill"! The provider, a late 30,s, early 40's gal from Bejing showed me to nice clean table in a small room where the Doc undoubtedly does his needle work. Now fellas, I've learned to walk away, but the lady had a still hot tiny figure and I've been actually looking for an acupuncture guy for a pain problem so I figured I'd get a massage and enjoy the weirdness. The gal gave me a very good massage, not as strong as I like but she has these tiny hands that emit heat. On the flip, I grab her very cute little ass and away we go. She winds up nude on top of me, but tells me she has no condom. I have her sit on my face (always thought you guys were crazy to do this with providers but she was very fresh), she declined BBBJ, but wound up nice titty sucking with the HR. Afterwards, she gives me a nice face massage, I give her .5 tip. Very sweet gal. Pay the old papasan .6 on the way out (he was literally within 10 feet the whole time). The old gent tells me If I come 5 times, sixth visit free. Can't recommend this place for most of you, just too weird. But for me, it satisfied a lot of my requirements.


Tesla - Intrigued by your reviewed. Stopped in at lunchtime today just to see the place, chat them up and get lay of land. So, there were two girls one Lisa, kind of wavy hair, sitting at a desk (maybe she's an herbalist???) and May, tiny girl, kinda prettyish, a little shy, sitting near door. Do you remember which one you had? I plan to try tomorrow and want to be sure to ask for the high milieage girl?

jruder

[tesla]

She told me her name in Mandarin which I won't disclose even if I could pronounce it right. Wavy hair, very small, roundish face, older. Third floor right?

[jruder]

Originally posted by tesla
She told me her name in Mandarin which I won't disclose even if I could pronounce it right. Wavy hair, very small, roundish face, older. Third floor right?


Wavy hair sounds like the one said she was Lisa.
Thanks.

Jruder

[biggod]

Originally posted by tesla
Found a place in NY Press online classifieds near 40th Midtown. Place is a acupuncture doctor's office (very small, bathroom down the hall) in an office building. Upon arrival the old Doc is sitting there in the tiny front reception room watching "King of the Hill"! The provider, a late 30,s, early 40's gal from Bejing showed me to nice clean table in a small room where the Doc undoubtedly does his needle work. Now fellas, I've learned to walk away, but the lady had a still hot tiny figure and I've been actually looking for an acupuncture guy for a pain problem so I figured I'd get a massage and enjoy the weirdness. The gal gave me a very good massage, not as strong as I like but she has these tiny hands that emit heat. On the flip, I grab her very cute little ass and away we go. She winds up nude on top of me, but tells me she has no condom. I have her sit on my face (always thought you guys were crazy to do this with providers but she was very fresh), she declined BBBJ, but wound up nice titty sucking with the HR. Afterwards, she gives me a nice face massage, I give her .5 tip. Very sweet gal. Pay the old papasan .6 on the way out (he was literally within 10 feet the whole time). The old gent tells me If I come 5 times, sixth visit free. Can't recommend this place for most of you, just too weird. But for me, it satisfied a lot of my requirements.


Any hint on the number??? So many ad can't figure which one it is.

[tesla]

Madison address, licensed massage

Would like some guidance about bringing unwanted attention to some of these places i.e did we cause problems for Herbal F? Does UTR place immediately get a neon sign when talked about here? I think our motto should be "first do no harm". A little insight please.

[jaybeeamsterdam]

I actually called herbal fairy and someone picked up the phone, so not sure, they may be back in business.

As far as the effect of our posts- I do feel that there are many lurkers who go and try places but never post about it. So you gotta figure a post will prob. result in more business for anyplace posted here. However I don't think that is necc. a bad thing. I was a little worried about Phoenix getting crazy, and I do think it got a little busier, but nothing out of control.

Personally I feel like there was a week or two when everyone opened up, especially on this and the midtown thread (my two faves), and I think it was a very good thing. These places are advertising in the NYpress so obviously they are not publicity shy. As for places that are more UTR, I say we should all open up and share and let the chips fall where they may. I think saying the place is on 40th and madison and advertises in the NYpress in a particular sectioon is like using the code $$ for 200 dollars. I mean who do we think we are fooling?? Its one thinkg if someone is new and the info they seek is a click away and they are too lazy. BUt in the spirit of this forum, and particulaly this thread, I think being open and sharing is a great thing.

I am taking a little break myself now, but in the next couple of weeks I anticipate trying my first FS AMP in NYC and I will be happy to share with all (about the 200 I spent for 5 minutes no doubt).

Regards to all-

JB

[HornySailor]

What problems at Herbal Fairy?

Was something mentioned in here and I missed it?

[tesla]

Someone said they were closed open the other day, probably on midtown thread.

My concern is only about unwanted scrutiny from LE... meaning that discussions here highlight a place that otherwise would be ignored. I have no problem with extra business from clients as long as it's not busy when I go!

[Confused]

After reading this and the midtown threads several times, I took the plunge at Herbal Fairy a couple of nights ago before going to MSG to catch the Knicks / Pistons game (great game and the revamped team has with a more exciting style of play).

Rode up to the 5th floor and a lovely, young, thin girl with pigtails answered the door. We sat on the couch while she "interviewed" me for a few minutes. Funny thing was that a regular came to the door while I was there and she told him that all the girls were busy. He said "How about you?". She replied "I'm sorry I can't, please come back tomorrow". He left in a bit of a huff.

Dude, if you are out there, I never saw your face, just heard your voice. I'm glad I got there five minutes before you!

I forget the girl's name (I thought she said Lala but later said Vivian, although she could hardly pronounce it, wtf?) but after a while I realized we had the entire . I told her I didn't have time for a body scrub and just wanted massage. She ended up giving me the body scrub for free and I missed the first quarter of the game.

Long story short, we had the place to ourselves and got very liberal with the roaming, teasing, tickling, etc. I was probably there for 1.5 hours and no rushing, just a great time.

BTW, this girl was hot with a flighty and adorable personality. She said she doesn't usually do massage and she spoke English well enough to answer the phone and carry a conversation. Anybody know her name?

As for Herbal Fairy, based on this first foray, I give it a very strong recommendation and will probably be back.

As an aside, I called Kyoto and their number is out of service. Any news?

[jruder]

Sounds like you are describing Lala...she is basically the manager (how could anyone call someone so young mamasan?). She talks a mile a minute!, very thin, right?

jruder

[Confused]

that must be her. very thin, great massage skills, get's turned on very easily....heh, heh.

[jaybeeamsterdam]

Glad to hear you had a good time with Lala. Soon as I left my session with her I wanted to be back. Now if I can just figure out what is going on in the rest of the buiilding...

[cityboy]

Good stuff, guys.

I just realized I can't figure out the details on Midtown / Escape / Herbal. Is it in NYP?

[tesla]

C'mon dude!

[jaybeeamsterdam]

On NYP website go to Beauty Products/Services

[cityboy]

Thanks. Yeah, Tesla, I know. I did all my research and what - not and still couldn't figure it out.

BTW - that place I mentioned on Lex, Top Nails, is looking bad. I stopped by to inquire about a massage, and the rooms in the back are being used for storage. Looks like they're sticking to the nails up front for now.

[Zeffy1]

Hey Jaybeeamst - On your recommendation I went back to Phoenix and got a massage from Kelly. You are absolutely right - what an amazing massage! It was so good I figured that she must be the ringer they bring in to give massages only! luckily, that wasn't the case. she had a great attitude and was cute as well. thanks again for the tip. and speaking of tips, I fear you may be right, I'm a cheap bastard. As you've pointed out the economics behind it, now I feel even cheaper! I upped my tip for kelly to $40, which I felt was well deserved. I'm sure a normal, less cheap bastard would have even given more based on the service.
do you know anything about a girl there named Mindy (possibly Mandy)? I noticed her as I was leaving and she was unbelievably cute. I'm either going to go back and get a massage from her or ask her to marry me.

[jaybeeamsterdam]

Hey- Glad to hear that you had a good time. I deff. think that place is a little under-rated. I think Kelly is really cute too. Does Mandy/Mindy have sorta curly/wavy hair? I haven't been there for about a month now, but there was a really cute girl with wavy hair last time I was there...

-JB

ps- I think 40 is fair for a one hour R+T. Did you do any roaming?

[Zeffy1]

I may have to head over and check out Mandy/Mindy's services tonight, it's been one of those days at work (lol). I agree with you that the place is underrated, for the services they provide - I even took a shower there which I'm usually a little too skeeved out to do - their price is right on. You are also right about the tip, but man that hurts, I got to some roaming, but only top shelf - my hands were freezing (they kept the room really cold) so I couldn't get under her bra/tight undershirt, but I def. got the sense that I could have done it if I wasn't so freezing. I guess tipping high will keep my addiction in check, so that's one good thing.

happy hunting!

[robnotbob]

Originally posted by tesla
Found a place in NY Press online classifieds near 40th Midtown. Place is a acupuncture doctor's office (very small, bathroom down the hall) in an office building.


I gave this place a try this evening. I saw Lisa, (only one on), not too pretty, but my back was killing me and I really needed a massage, so I only took 30 minutes ($40). Great half hour massage and then "all done". So I point to Mr. happy and she says no time only half hour, my boss is doctor. So I give her $40 tip and a mechanical HR ensues.

Not recommended.

[Zoltan]

Stopped by the place on 26th Street off of 8th Avenue. Not bad. Girl was friendly and not bad looking and gave a very good massage. HR was offered and some basic roaming was not discouraged. The only negatives are the size of the rooms (very small, hard to get dressed and undressed) and the walls that don't reach all the way to the ceilings. Saw a couple of other young girls on the couch on the way out that weren't bad either. All in all pretty good for $50 an hour.

[bigguy3]

Originally posted by zoltanspencer
Stopped by the place on 26th Street off of 8th Avenue. Not bad. Girl was friendly and not bad looking and gave a very good massage. HR was offered and some basic roaming was not discouraged. The only negatives are the size of the rooms (very small, hard to get dressed and undressed) and the walls that don't reach all the way to the ceilings. Saw a couple of other young girls on the couch on the way out that weren't bad either. All in all pretty good for $50 an hour.

that's $50 total tip included??

[Zoltan]

Originally posted by bigguy3
that's $50 total tip included??

The house fee is $50 for the hour. Tipping was left up to me. I tipped $40 for the friendly vibe, good massage and no resistance to my roaming hands. $90 total.

[jaybeeamsterdam]

Went back to Herbal Fairy and saw a new girl named Hannah. I woulf give her a 5 or 6 for looks. There were two other girls when I left both 6 or 7, plus La La. Session was pretty good but deff. not as good as one I had with La La. I would go back because the place is so friendly- but I wish the girls the were a little cuter (besides Lala who I think is very cute) I also think the price is a little high for a place with no showers. Still great place.

May have to check out this 8th ave place- I need to look back through the thread- if the number hasn't been posted can someone please put it up...

Thanks-

JB

[Zoltan]

Originally posted by jaybeeamsterdam
May have to check out this 8th ave place- I need to look back through the thread- if the number hasn't been posted can someone please put it up.

212-929-3898

[tesla]

Might as well put this here since it's become the motherlode. Her ad caught my eye since it popped up in both E and Ther sections in CL. Gave her a call after getting bad vibes at a full service place on 8th in the thirties. Walked up to mid forties and hung a left. What awaited was a somewhere north of 30 Bejing "art student" with a massage table in her studio. Decent looking but no more than a 6.5. Very nervous. I hand over .6 and plop down and she starts in with what I can immediately tell is a bogus massage. Alright, forget it, how bout some oral? She looks at me like I offered her something, well... distasteful. Alright, what about Hoboken's favorite son? We agree on .6 and she hops up and makes like an angel. Only problem is, the whole things been awkward and I need a little stimulation. She reaches for the baby oil (Noooooo!) but I mention please KY just in time. She then proceeds to gush half the cold bottle on my pecker. (Tax deductible business expense?). I manage to get off, but just barely. Now don't get me wrong, this gal is a a sweetheart but has no massage skills and obviously has limited hot pillow expertise. The latter might be cute if she was 20 or something. Anyway, I'm going to radically change my hobbying to reflect a new "real politik". If I want a massage, I'll go get a great massage and try to turn down the obligatory HR that doubles the fee. If I want sex, I'm going to the few (very few) places I know about to have a nice boom boom. I am quitting this insane quest for the holy grail of ultimate pampering, mind blowing eroticism, followed by a discussion of Tao/Buddist philosophy. Well, at least for the rest of the week.