Temptations

[brykster]

any impressions on this place? evil twin posted getting a beej for 50. i'd be going after work (5:50). is it worth a look? how are the dancers? (2-3's-6-7's??) any info is appreciated. i had heard of a raid effecting things a while ago; but maybe things have returned to some extent.

[darryl]

Last time I went there a couple of months ago, had a couple of 'zilians offer FS for $40. I would rate them about a 5 or so. If you're looking for anything less(bj's, etc.), I'd say this is your bargain spot. I had already gotten a release over in Orange (was bar hopping) so I passed. However, if I had been fresh (or had built up a second steam), I would have had to test the waters.

There is variety in this place. You can get a couple of ghastly girls, chubsters, as well as some sweet treats. Haven't seen any knockouts the few times I was there but then again, these type of places normally don't have knockouts. Kind of reminds me a little of Showoff's in it's heyday(with all the Brazilians). Just that there is no atmosphere there (last time there, I saw security switching channels for music...not to mention you can hear the conversation of the guy across the way) and it's not exactly the cleanest place. Speaking of which...

The one thing I can say, is that YOU MUST HOLD YOUR BREATH... if you have to use the bathroom. The first time I unwittingly went in there, my whole lunch almost went down the sink. I think they haven't cleaned it out in a couple of years. PLEASE do yourself a favor and bring a napkin (just to touch the faucet!)

[Shoot2Thrill]

I might swing by tonight or on my next tour. But, my last visit about six months ago was not worth the anything. Yes the place is gross, but that is a secondary issue. I thought the dancers were plain ugly and had an attitude worthy of Looker's. I see a lot of customers who just don't strike me as that cerebral and seem content to pay for crap. Even dressed in sweats, I look like Donald Trumpe in this place. I certainly can be wrong but every other time I go to this place on a ounce of hype I am sorry I wasted the time. Let's get real $40 for FS is never going to be typical or even remotely common. I saw dancers making 30-40 bucks a set from just the parade so why are they going to offer a BJ for $20 etc...

[HueG.rection]

Are we talking the Temptations on VanHouten in Passaic near Broadway? If so I haven't been there in years and the place sucked back then.

[Shoot2Thrill]

Are we talking the Temptations on VanHouten in Passaic near Broadway? If so I haven't been there in years and the place sucked back then.
That's my understanding.

[brykster]

thanks guys. despite the negative speculation, it sound like Daryl is providing the most recent (and complete) review. i understand it's a shithole with uglies; but at times, that's my domain. lest we forget my early toutings of Rah Rah's that i am convinced, played some role in it's demise. may stop by either tomorrow or thursday...likely thursday.

even if i can get serviced for 30 or 40, that's still a good deal. plus, i'll get to see some fresh blood.

[HueG.rection]

I will be in that area this evening and will have to stop in to check it out. Man it's been a long time since I was in there.

[seeker6591]

the only places i know are Newark, Irvington, Oranges and Patterson.

any help here ?

thanks

[TNA]

Passaic is immediately east of Clifton and south of Garfield on Rt. 21

[TNA]

Last time I went there a couple of months ago, had a couple of 'zilians offer FS for $40. I would rate them about a 5 or so. If you're looking for anything less(bj's, etc.), I'd say this is your bargain spot. I had already gotten a release over in Orange (was bar hopping) so I passed. However, if I had been fresh (or had built up a second steam), I would have had to test the waters.

There is variety in this place. You can get a couple of ghastly girls, chubsters, as well as some sweet treats. Haven't seen any knockouts the few times I was there but then again, these type of places normally don't have knockouts. Kind of reminds me a little of Showoff's in it's heyday(with all the Brazilians). Just that there is no atmosphere there (last time there, I saw security switching channels for music...not to mention you can hear the conversation of the guy across the way) and it's not exactly the cleanest place. Speaking of which...

The one thing I can say, is that YOU MUST HOLD YOUR BREATH... if you have to use the bathroom. The first time I unwittingly went in there, my whole lunch almost went down the sink. I think they haven't cleaned it out in a couple of years. PLEASE do yourself a favor and bring a napkin (just to touch the faucet!)

Gotta agree Darryl... mens room is right outta Saw I, II, or III, any of the Friday the 13th and Hellraiser movies. Downright bizzare. Even BU's bathroom is "cleaner" (?)
AS far as the girls, I also agree, they can be all over the place in quality, but most are Zillians, with a smattering of other Hispanics and rarely Russians. Ruskies are a non-issue here. Last time was there it was at least 1 year ago or more. And curtains were drawn back for the nite shift only. Still, found many prophy. wrappers etc. on the floor in LD rooms. Can;t vouch for pricing, but based on decor, T & A quality, etc., unlikely to be much more than BU's rates. Lame music (cable music provider). No DJ.

[brykster]

....but most are Zillians, with a smattering of other Hispanics.... curtains were drawn back for the nite shift only....found many prophy. wrappers on the floor in LD rooms....unlikely to be much more than BU's rates....No DJ.

this place is sounding better by the minute.

[Shoot2Thrill]

Stopped off last night from 10:00 to 11:30 PM. All things considered I thought it was positive. I will go again. There were about 10 Brazilian and Spanish dancers. Most were Brazilian. In general they were cute. A few were surprisingly attractive. The atmosphere was upbeat and the club was active. There was lots of contact as dancers walked around the outside of the bar. Lap dancing up sell is SOP with the dancers and I would absolutely say extras are possible. The one Manager/Bouncer was for the majority of the time near the curtained lap dance booths yet did not meddle in booth activity. The club strikes me as a balance between low end and high clubs. The club itself is filthy and the men’s room is fairly nasty yet who cares. Most of the dancers have decent enough shapes thanks to Brazilian heritage and some implants here and there. I actually like the fact that there was no DJ. I thought the music was decent and I see the DJ being a drain on the dancers revenue and another set of eyes a monger does not need.
As a reference point, I recognized the first or second hottest dancer working and spoke with her. It was Bruna (Not the current Bruna R) previously from VIP and Clancy’s. Apparently she is back after two years in Brazil. It was her first time at the club and she won’t be returning. She did not like the club. I think she just was not comfortable with the high contact and explicit nature of the club.
I thought the club was a reasonable balance point between low end and high-end clubs. Thought the dancers were 6-7.5 range. I suspect there is not a huge variety in dancers so it might tend to get a little stale but all in all it was a pleasant surprise. Brykster should be in heaven in this club. I would venture as UGers go here not to overspend best not to change the dancers being a bit hungry.

[brykster]

first, let me start by saying FUUUUCK MAPQUEST!!!!!!!

searched tonight for two hours and i could not find the place. stopped and asked directions 4 times and no one could help. someone please give me directions from a major highway (80 ot the GSP) or from a Paterson club (Cabaret, 5th ave., The Cave, The Oyster....something. oh, and yeah, fuck mapquest because you know what? there is no Van Houten Ave exit ramp off of 46.

[seeker6591]

first, let me start by saying FUUUUCK MAPQUEST!!!!!!!

searched tonight for two hours and i could not find the place. stopped and asked directions 4 times and no one could help. someone please give me directions from a major highway (80 ot the GSP) or from a Paterson club (Cabaret, 5th ave., The Cave, The Oyster....something. oh, and yeah, fuck mapquest because you know what? there is no Van Houten Ave exit ramp off of 46.

yes please give reference

will try to check this place out and report back, BU style!

[Evil_Twin]

The Van Houten Ave exit off RT46 east is closed. (under constuction). Get off RT46 at Broad St Clifton exit. If you're getting off from 46 west follow Broad St to the 2nd light make a left. If you're getting off from 46 east, make a right on Broad St then a left at the next light. After you make the left, Temps is on the left a block before the 4th light. If you're coming from GSP North, get off at exit 153B (RT 3 West) get off at the first exit (Grove St) make a right off the exit ramp, go right at first light, Temps is on the left a block befor the 5th traffic light. If you're coming form GSP South, get off at exit 154, keep right to Grove St, make a left onto Grove. Go to the first light and make a left. Temps is on the left, 1 block from the 5th traffic light.

[ekual2003]

I am VERY suprised to hear about Temp's mileage these days.
I was here several times, but about 5-6 years ago. Bouncer at the door, 2 brute manager looking dudes heavily watching the dancers and nothing but Ruskie and somewhat American looking girls dancings.

Didnt see anything that looked like a lap dance room at all.
And on top of all this, the place is in Clifton!
Which means, the only other strip bar in Clifton is Roxxies, which is actually about a couple steps from paterson and no way is there any sort of mileage to be had there either!

But from what I am reading here. 'Zillians dancer's here now, LD rooms available, and no DJ guy, seems like I NEED to check this place out again.
Definetly will be making a stop here soon.

[brykster]

The Van Houten Ave exit off RT46 east is closed. (under constuction). Get off RT46 at Broad St Clifton exit. If you're getting off from 46 west follow Broad St to the 2nd light make a left. If you're getting off from 46 east, make a right on Broad St then a left at the next light. After you make the left, Temps is on the left a block before the 4th light. If you're coming from GSP North, get off at exit 153B (RT 3 West) get off at the first exit (Grove St) make a right off the exit ramp, go right at first light, Temps is on the left a block befor the 5th traffic light. If you're coming form GSP South, get off at exit 154, keep right to Grove St, make a left onto Grove. Go to the first light and make a left. Temps is on the left, 1 block from the 5th traffic light.

good looking out, Evil. i will post a review on thursday or friday...or both if i like it enough to return : ).

[likesaction]

This recent hype is getting a lot of us "aroused" about this place. I stopped in for the first time on Sunday evening.

A short busty 40ish Brazilian was happy to see me, saying it had been a long long time.... sure had, I'd never seen her before. Another dancer was Patricia, cute 30ish Brazilian with a great ass, who I've seen somewhere else (Showplace?, Clancys?). But I got a dance for $20 with a little Latina who seemed and sounded possibly American born -- but it was noisy, I missed her name. Towards the back there are a few LD cubes with curtains, no bouncers came by at all. No BJ, she said she was uncomfortable doing that, but I believe everything else was available. Got a terrific, lubed HJ with some LFK for 30 tip. A good private experience.

I didn't use MapQuest linebyline directions.... I used a MapQuest map and got to Rte 21 and Rte 3 -- then took some main road north to VanHouten (which kinda stops at a main road, and then appears again a little to the south). Yes, it was confusing.

[Impartial Observer]

Poor Mr. User is beside himself with some of the posts in this thread and since he the time that he challenged the immoderaters he is no longer permitted to post. He is dictating the following:

Clifton does not have any sexually oriented establishments and that includes Temptations (Passaic) and Roxxies (Paterson);

Map-quest the intersection of Van Houten & Broadway, Passaic
..Temps is one block west on Van H...

Fastest highway is RT 21 which has Van H exit.

[I not going to repeat his bragging, but he told you about this place. He is now ranting of his exploits with Richard, the former owner of the place.]

[paulbunyon]

Those directions look good Evil twin, I'm often around that area. As Impartial Observer noted, I think Rt. 21 does have a Van Houten Ave Exit (I think just exit where it says "Passaic Park" and you cant miss it. I'll see what number exit on 21 next time I pass by) I'm on Rt. 21 so much it should be renamed "The Paul Bunyon Expressway" because it is my lifeline to get to the Paterson strip clubs. Very convenient since they connected it to Rt.20/80/46 a few years back. Thank you NJDOT, you finally got something right!

Just an aside but I think Mr. User is unbanned because he has been restored to Gold status. I didn't even know he was banned in the first place.

[Evil_Twin]

I think the milage there will vary depending on who is managing. I was there a few nights ago and sat next to a short older woman who told me she was the owner. (I don't remember her age) Needless to say the girls we not as anxious to offer extras. In fact none were offered. The same zillian that gave me the CBJ was there but did not offer anything other than LD for $20.

[brykster]

I was there a few nights ago and sat next to a short older woman who told me she was the owner.


great, another Shirley.

[dr_skins]

my wife is a former dancer who used to work here 6 or 7 years ago--they had no LD back then, but a lot of clubs with LD now didn't have them back then. they had more americans working there back in the day but they also had some brazilian agency girls. it was much more tame of a club. a lot of hair-metal band guys from Connections up the road would hang out there and they'd play a lot of rock music there rather than the disco/techno that a lot of clubs play. I never actually went inside--I actually met my wife at another club she worked at and never went to see her at work after we met.

[Shoot2Thrill]

When I was there it appeared the owner, his friends and his son or possibly grandson came in around 11:15. He seemed very relaxed, friendly and touchy in a horse wrestling sense with customers and dancers. I did not notice any change is the environment when they were present. Yet, common sense would dictate since he is carrying liability for the club I’m sure there is some implication but it clearly was not obvious. More importantly, with respect to the dancers, an experience monger could sense a range what could be expected from the individual dancers. I did see some dancers who I would expect to get very little from. I asked most dancers how often they worked at the club and other clubs they worked at. The answer was 2-6 bookings per week and typically no other club was given. I asked a customer if Monday night was typical and he said yes . Further adding he stated Tuesday and Wednesday might be slower but Thursday etc are busy.

[seeker6591]

. More importantly, with respect to the dancers, an experience monger could sense a range what could be expected from the individual dancers. I did see some dancers who I would expect to get very little from. .


why all the mystery here ??

as in any club YMMV.

lets just handle this like the BU thread.

when one comes across a high mileage dancer, 6 and up in the looks department, within regular guidelines, why not just post her stage name and
classify her as an "A" list girl??

does this sound reasonable???

[TNA]

why all the mystery here ??

as in any club YMMV.

lets just handle this like the BU thread.

when one comes across a high mileage dancer, 6 and up in the looks department, within regular guidelines, why not just post her stage name and
classify her as an "A" list girl??

does this sound reasonable???

thank you!!! I don't understand som eof the recent BANTER!

[seeker6591]

thank you!!! I don't understand som eof the recent BANTER!

no problem.

lets keep it simple !

[brykster]

finally made it...thanks for the directions ET.

anyways, i was less than impressed. it didn't strike me as a high mileage room. i got one dance from Ellen, a heavy-set blonde brazilian, and it was nothing but a poorly executed grind. actually, the room struck me as a bit too classy. whoever said this place is half way between a low and high end club was right. there certainly wasn't any really serious eye candy making it worth the trip, nor were there any late 30's brazilians eager to jack you off. it was just kinda there. i will probably swing by again at some point; but it's definitely not going to be a regular stop. i also felt the neighborhood was too classy for filth. you need a real shithole area like Belmont Ave or Cianci to really deliver the goods. to the guys who enjoy the place g'zai ghezunt (go with god in yiddish); but i just didn't see the promise.

BTW, there were no curtains up...is that typical? maybe that's why things were so lame?

[seeker6591]

deader than a door nail

[Evil_Twin]

I only go on Friday nights (around 12:30-1:00). No curtains= no problem. The manager walked by while I was getting B'd. I know he saw it, but he kept on walking.

[Shoot2Thrill]

What is the back room with a door? Is there also a VIP type section. I have got to believe that is very private.

[seeker6591]

I only go on Friday nights (around 12:30-1:00). No curtains= no problem. The manager walked by while I was getting B'd. I know he saw it, but he kept on walking.

help us here guys.

is their a specific day or time to go??

recently, the club was DOA ( dead on arrival) in the early evening.

I still can't figure out all the mystery in this thread and why incomplete or inaccurate info is being posted !

[Shoot2Thrill]

deader than a door nail How about adding some of the specifics you ask for to your own posts?

[seeker6591]

How about adding some of the specifics you ask for to your own posts?

you should read and think first before you type!

if you did not understand my post....go check out the BU thread first.

my contributions to NNJ hobbying and the manner in which this should be handled will become quite evident to you.

as i said earlier...several UG'ers checked this place out already.

AND IT WAS DEAD!!!

[Shoot2Thrill]

Fine-No biggy I won't post in this thread again Peace

[plat122]

I did go to this club yesterday around 7. The Bar is around the stage and the girls dance on stage first then walk the bar for tips. Beer is priced at $4. The place was dead but from what I saw it may have much busier earlier. My sidekick got stuck in traffic so I told him not to bother coming out. Most of the girls I saw were not Brizilian but were Dominican and range just the way a previous poster stated. You had some that were hot, and some that should consider bartending school. There was a woman with an OK face, nice light brown skin but she had an ass that I don't think she could get on a toilet. One girl came up to me after she was on stage and gave me a mini dance at my stool. She let me roam all over her ass. I left and went to Blue Goose which was even more dead. I think I should stayed. Most likely I hit the dead zone of guys just getting off work and guys coming in for the evening. I have a gut feeling that the dances in this place may be OK.

[yoyoyo]

Went here for the first time this past Wednesday. The neighborhood seemed safe enough. Situated in a "old school" working class jersey neighborhood with no transients in sight. Arrived about 10 pm with a friend. Small club with the bar in the center and the dancers elevated behind the bar. They come around for tips, usually 2 to 3 times per set about 4 to 5 girls per set from what i saw. Mostly Brazilian dancers, which I like, and a few Russian and maybe some Latin. Wide range of girls, some with hot faces and chubby bodies and others with butter faces and hot bodies. Nobody off the scale but as long as you are not too picky you should be okay. As soon as I bought my 4 dollar coors light a short , blond haired Brazilian came up to me and initiated the lap dance sell. She started to rub my member with her hands and butt which made me confident the lap dance would be good. Since we just got into the bar I told her to come back in 15 minutes so I could check out the scene.
The clientele is mostly working class with a good mix of ethnicities. Nobody too scary looking, it should be fine for everyone. The short blond girl was the hottest in the club so when she came back my friend got a dance. The lap dance rooms are located at the back of the club about a half level above the main room. There are three stalls with drapes in the front but when I was there the drapes were not being used. The blond quoted 80 bucks all-inclusive for cbj but my friend bargained to 60 bucks. His back is to the room so anybody can look in to the stall. Nobody including the bouncer and managers seem to care what goes on in the stalls. So as long as you are comfortable with being a little in the open anything seems to be available.
After checking out all the dancers I realized the hottest was the short blond. I usually dont like going after my friend but since everything is covered I guess it's okay. When we went up to the lap dance area, we were third in line to wait for an open room. She tried to up-sell me on the private room. She said 50 for the room and 100 for everything. I agreed. She led me into the office to a side room which looked to be used mainly for storage. It is a fairly large room with a couch you can use for fun. I think this room is used only when the club feels sufficiently safe from LE activity so ymmv on the availability of this room. I gave 50 bucks to the black bouncer and there I was with the blond Brazilian. I won't go into too many details of what we did but everything she promised was delivered, CBJ into CFS finish. I didn't ask about BBBJ for those of you who like that, Sorry. Just a side note, once she took off her heels she was about 4 foot 10 which was a little surprising, her heels must have been about 7 inches long. And in the light ,while still attractive, she was a little older than I had thought, but she had a great pair of natural breasts.
Some might balk at the 150 price tag but I have been to most of the FS strip clubs in North Jersey including Bottoms Up, Johnny A's, and most of the Paterson clubs. I know you can get jerked off in Rah-Rah's for 10 dollars but considering the level of talent and the fact that the room is private I think it is a reasonable amount. I am not sure how much time 50 dollars buys you. The blond said 20 minutes and I think that is about what we spent but don't quote me on that figure.
I am a fan of Bottoms Up and if you are too, this club might be for you. You might end up paying a little more but you won't leave disappointed like I sometimes do at Bottoms Up because the level of talent was not so good that night. I hope this helps somebody. Just doing my part.

[brykster]

I am a fan of Bottoms Up and if you are too, this club might be for you. You might end up paying a little more but you won't leave disappointed like I sometimes do at Bottoms Up because the level of talent was not so good that night.

excellent review; but i gotta disagree with this final statement. i did, indeed, leave disappointed and believe me, i am no rookie. at BU, at least 90% of girls are there to perform extras; at this place, i gotta believe it's much lower. i'll tell you for certain, extras are NOT available from a blonde Brazilian named Ellen.

also, i don't understand this whole "the club was dead" stuff. i mean who cares whether the club is busy or not? if you are the only guy there all night and walk away with a $30 BBBJ, would you be disappointed? am i missing something? are we talking dead from the standpoint of extras?

this place remains an enigma. the likes of Evil Twin says it's a great spot for budget extras. on the other hand Yo Yo's pal was quoted 80 bucks for an all inclusive (he didn't have to pay for the rubber) CBJ and Yo, Yo himself paid 150 for basically, the same experience you get at M Dee's for 60. i know YMMV and different girls charge different prices; but it's always been my experience that these places fall within a category of pricing...pricing tends to be within ther same ballpark. rarely, is there a room that one guy recieves a bargain and another pays through the nose.

certainly, my fact-finding visit did nothing to help clear the ambiguity.

[HueG.rection]

How dead could the club be if you were 3rd in line waiting for an open room?

[seeker6591]

is their a specific day or time to go??

recently, the club was DOA ( dead on arrival) in the early evening.

!


please help us here???

[lappy]

Nice review yoyoyo. I was here recently and got lenghty LD from an older sexy Zillian named Joyce (?) she also works at Players. Amazing ass but needs dental work before she can meet the family. Since I was new to Temps I went strictly with LD, I didn't want any problems my first time here.

We have since talked on the phone but I have stayed away. I've seen some of her customers......lol. I'm no Brad Pitt but I am clean and dress nice. Some of her 'dudes' are dirt. After knowing the guy that 'cuts my lawn' is sucking on the same boobs as me, it will make you look elsewhere.

Lastly, yoyoyo I have never heard of Johnny As as a FS club. Lots of mileage there but lots of eyes too. Can you give me some more insight?

I hit Players, Roxxies, Post last night. Just drank and left. All the clubs were packed, so the girls were not 'hungry' enough for me to invest.

[brykster]

Lastly, yoyoyo I have never heard of Johnny As as a FS club. Lots of mileage there but lots of eyes too. Can you give me some more insight?

no insights. it just ain't true. as far i know, BU and Mickey Dee's are the only N.New Jersey clubs where FS is available on a consistent basis. i mean, i know of a provider who does FS at Cabaret; but it's a rarity more than it's the norm. did i miss anything?

[seeker6591]

did i miss anything?


yes the place in EO bryk.

[HueG.rection]

and Trop...had F/S from more thant one dancer there.

[brykster]

and Trop...had F/S from more thant one dancer there.

yes, of course; but is by no means standard. i know of Maria with the gap tooth, the Shakira look-alike and perhaps one or two others.

as for E.O. are we talking Rah's? i intentionally left it off because even though FS is commonly available; who'd want it from the farm animals typically there grazing for singles? haven't been in a long time; but last time i was there, Anna-Maria was the only one who closely resembled a homo-sapien.

[yoyoyo]

Good point Brykster, about the breakdown of FS providers in Bottoms Up vs. Temptations. I agree that the percentage seems to be much higher at Bottoms Up but I think the level of talent is much better at Temptations, although I have only been there once. I am assuming my Wednesday visit was not an aberration.
Lappy, I know Joyce, she was there on Wednesday night. She is the classic butter face. I used to get dances from her at Liquid Assets before its demise. Anyone know where Kenda is dancing now ? I followed her from Liquid Assets to Showoffs and now I have lost contact with her. But I digress.
As to the availabilty of FS at Johnny A's, I have been offered it on multiple occasions. Daytime seems to be the time to go but I know it is available at night too. I should warn you that not everyone offers it but if you seek, you will find. Recently I got a HJ from a super busty Dominican girl and a CBJ, didn't want FS, from a thirtyish blond Brazilian. I am not good at names but I am gonna make a point of remembering the names from now on to better serve this community.
I am gonna hit Bottoms Up on Sunday to see the tall brunette Brazilian named Michelle although I have not seen her the last couple of weeks. If I find no satisfaction I am gonna hit Temptations. I will report back.

[brykster]

I am not good at names but I am gonna make a point of remembering the names from now on to better serve this community.

that's fine....how about prices.

[yoyoyo]

that's fine....how about prices.

I forgot. 50 for HJ from Dominican. 80 for CBJ from Brazilian. Thanks for keeping me in line.

[yoyoyo]

What does a "FS" strip club mean ? I was assuming that it meant full service was available at the club regardless of how many of the girls were offering it. I know some places like Bottoms Up it is the norm and others like Johnny A's where it might be harder to come by. Am I wrong in using FS to describe a club that might offer it with a little amount of effort which means talking to a couple of dancers and a reasonable amount of money which I figure might be around $100 ? I apologize if I misused the word and caused any confusion. Any suggestions on a more specific scale ?

[seeker6591]

as for E.O. are we talking Rah's? .

no...tommy's place

[TNA]

Good point Brykster, about the breakdown of FS providers in Bottoms Up vs. Temptations. I agree that the percentage seems to be much higher at Bottoms Up but I think the level of talent is much better at Temptations, although I have only been there once. I am assuming my Wednesday visit was not an aberration.
Lappy, I know Joyce, she was there on Wednesday night. She is the classic butter face. I used to get dances from her at Liquid Assets before its demise. Anyone know where Kenda is dancing now ? I followed her from Liquid Assets to Showoffs and now I have lost contact with her. But I digress.
As to the availabilty of FS at Johnny A's, I have been offered it on multiple occasions. Daytime seems to be the time to go but I know it is available at night too. I should warn you that not everyone offers it but if you seek, you will find. Recently I got a HJ from a super busty Dominican girl and a CBJ, didn't want FS, from a thirtyish blond Brazilian. I am not good at names but I am gonna make a point of remembering the names from now on to better serve this community.
I am gonna hit Bottoms Up on Sunday to see the tall brunette Brazilian named Michelle although I have not seen her the last couple of weeks. If I find no satisfaction I am gonna hit Temptations. I will report back.


No question the face rating goes higher Temptations.. but then again that's not what we're all into. For some of us, when that light is off or low and the wood is getting sucked, it just don't matter. To each, his own.

[ekual2003]

Stopped into TEMP's this past Monday evening. Around 10pm.
I thought for sure it would be empty, considering it was a Monday night and getting late in the evening, but I was WRONG. Havent been to this place in years, about 7-8 yrs ago actually, so I had no idea what to expect.

Walked in and could NOT find a seat anywhere. So, I stood up the whole time and ordered a beer. Waited for a possible seat to open, but no luck. Most of the guys seated were occupied with dancers sitting with them.

About 3-4 girls on stage, ALL latina. Majority seemed to be Brazilian. Older ones in there late 30's to mid 40's and also young ones, early 20's scattered. Definetly not a bad view and some nice eye candy. BUT, this place was just to full and it was only a Monday night. Most of the hot looking latina's all were occupied with guys already, and the lap dance room looked to be busy as well. I did notice the big black dude sitting down when you enter the LD rooms, I guess he takes the money and monitors.

Anyway, the place wasnt for me that night, I was looking for more of a low-key place with more attention payed on me. So, I left and went to Caves.

[Evil_Twin]

That's how it is when I go. I like to hang back along the wall to avoid the dollar parade. Usually the girls will walk through the crowd and ask if you want a LD or F** or whatever. When they ask if I want a LD I ask "How much?" they say $20. Then I'll ask "How much for you?" Once we agree they drop the $20 for the dance. Never paid the dude at the door.

[HueG.rection]

Stopped in Temps last night (Wednesday) around 10:30 and the place was just starting to pick up. They must of had 15 girls working last night and at one point, the 5 that were on stage were all young (20's) braz girls with one better than the next. With the 15 working last night there was something for everyone. Young tall no boob but great ass braz girls, shorter big boob nice ass young braz girls, 1 tall Ukranian girl with an incredible set of naturals, and a couple of older long in the tooth braz women thrown in for the older horn dogs. I hadn't been to this club in at least 5 years and spend most of my time in P-town or BU. This club last night had by far the best looking and youngest dancers I have seen in a long time at any of the clubs. Well let me qualify that, best and youngest that offer action withouth having to take out a small loan.

I was not even there 5 min when one of the older braz girls (didn't get name) came over to me and started chatting while stroking the johnson. She was about 5'2", long blonde hair, deep tan, and a large rack. She kept hugging me and telling me she would give me a "really good" ld. I declined yet she kept pressing me for one. I didn't take her up on the offer and she moved on. I watched her walk away and was glad I didn't partake as she looked good from the front but had the old lady saggy ass as she walked away.

There was a good looking braz girl with a nice set of c+,d titties that caught my eye. She was wearing a red bikini top with a short flowered skirt. She was bored as there were too many girls and the money wasn't flowing. I told her I would take her for a LD and she said ok. I told her back in 5 min as I had to take a call outside. When I came back she was MIA. I waited a few and then I saw her come out of the champagne room (or so it is called) and grabbed a stack of napkins from the bar next to me and went back in. I figured someone else was getting jacked and I was no longer interested in her at that point. The tall blonde Ukranian girl caught my eye. She is close to 6' and she had heels on. She didn't have the greatest hips and ass shape, not bad, just not latino, but her tits were amazing. We chatted for a bit and then decided to head off to the LD room. It was busy at that point with all 3 stalls taken and both $50 (??) private rooms taken. We waited for a few, the bouncer/watcher never once went up to see what was going on, he just hung out at the stairs looking at the stage/bar and paid no mind to the goings on behind him. As a side note, while waiting I watched a cockroach walk around on the ladies bathroom door. Ilana (the ukranian girl) said she sees roaches in the club quite often. I will say my skin did begin to crawl a little and I was hesitant to put my coat down in the LD area for fear of bringing roaches home...none in my house and don't want any. Moved on the LD area and she climbed aboard, at this point no mention of money other than the $20 for the LD. She did a nice grind and allowed me to play with her rack - the looked better exposed than I could have ever pictured. We talked a bit and she turned out to only be hand roaming with little additional action available from her. She did say that there are "many" other girls in the club who are willing to go the extra mile and she apologized that she wasn't one of them. I was sooo mesmerized by her amazing perfect tits that I forgot to ask which girls. I did a 2 song, gave her $40 and we headed back to the bar - me I headed home. She will be there Sunday so I figured I would go back and see if I can get some names of the HM girls there.

All the way home I felt like my skin and scalp were crawling....as of 9 AM this morning no roach sightings.

[Evil_Twin]

I used to hang there years ago. (Back in the 80's I was a regular there). One of my favorite pastimes was trapping roaches under the ashtray. One night I was sitting with the dancer and had 5 trapped when the barmaid came over to empty the ashtray. Roaches ran everywhere and the dancer screamed and went over backwards, landed on her ass on the floor with her legs in the air and split the side of her dress right up to her ass. AND all my roaches got away.

[traveller]

NOW i understand your handle, Evil Twin! ;-)

[HueG.rection]

Stopped in Temps last night (Sunday) and the place was pretty busy. Ilana was working (tall ukranian from earlier post), a tall braz named Cleo, short braz named Carla (killer body), some older russians and brazilians not really worth mentioning. There was also a black haired (braz??) with a killer booty and smallish rack but wears the miracle bra so they look good but I don't remember her name. I sat at the bar for a bit and listened so the guys next to me complaining that the one guy contracted with an older braz (black straight hair, kinda thick girl) for a bj and he said she knobbed on him for about 1 min before stopping and calling it a dance. He was a little pissed and it was a good tip for me, even though I didn't have that girl in my sights. I drank for a bit and then went for a LD with Ilana to see if things got better the second time around - nnoooppee! Cleo was being friendly so I thought I would take her for a song or two to see what she offers up. She had a killer body so I figured what the hell. Nice grind, nip in the mouth, and rubbing over the pants. She led me to believe more was available but I was running low on funds and it was getting pretty late. I figure i will try her again next time to see whats available. The girls here for the most part, are better looking and younger than most p-town clubs but it is definitely a ymmv depending on the girl. We should most definitely start an "A" list of the girls here so we don't waste our time/money.

I did find it interesting that girls take all the money and the guy sitting acting as the bouncer just watches the stage. Does this mean that the $20 LD includes some groping action since the girl appears to keep it all?

[brykster]

I did find it interesting that girls take all the money and the guy sitting acting as the bouncer just watches the stage. Does this mean that the $20 LD includes some groping action since the girl appears to keep it all?

try to explain that to the dancer. "baby, no tipee?"
are you sure the bar isn't getting a taste? that would certainly explain why the place always has a lot of dancers.

[HueG.rection]

bryk - don't know if the bar is getting a taste but the 3 times I had LD I gave the money to the girl only and didn't see her give anything to the bouncer, coming or going. He also didn't see him keeping track or writing anything down.

[dr_skins]

Finally got a chance to check this place out for myself. Just to compare and comment on the recent posts--yes it's somewhat of a sleazy dive kinda bar, the customer traffic from about 7-8:45PM on a Monday was pretty busy but not packed to the gills, the girls were mostly brazilian, and as far as the LD/private room thing goes, management gets all the money for the cost of the private room (50 bucks) the the tip for "everything" was 100 bucks and no one bothered us, although the door to the office adjacent to our room was open and at one point some dude was milling around back there--didn't even look in at us. Went in there w/Kelly--a little blond braz spinner who lives in Newark. I'd say totally worth it--she was a cutie and eager to please. LD are more negotiable as far as price. I agree w/the post that said "how much for you," and then no mention of "dances" by the minute or five minutes or whatever after that. I was in the regular LD booth w/Vania--black hair, avg height, pretty much flawless body w/natural full B cup, big thick lips, braz but mulatto I'm guessing/not white. Another pleaser. No apparent time-limit really w/her either--took me quite a while since I had already been with Kelly less than 30 minutes before. She was patient and not a quitter. Privacy was minimal here but again the guy walking past w/box of beer bottles didn't even turn his head in our direction. Ended up converting from CBJ to FS for total of 120 bucks (80 then added another 40--no extra money for "dances"--all inclusive). This is obviously a YMMV situation based on previous posts, but I apparently have developed a good eye for talent--2 for 2 last night. I'd say the ones who pull the dollar away from you at the bar without letting you touch anything are probably lame in the back but of course I didn't waste any time trying to find out. Kelly basically came right up and straddled my leg and very quickly got to the point--never even saw her take the stage. She was with another guy when I arrived and made a point to say hi to me on her way to the LD area w/him, chatted w/another guy next to me when she was done w/dude#1, then came to me. Went right on to another guy after cleaning up in the ladies room.

Didn't see any roaches...kept on the lookout, too, but didn't manage to catch a glimpse of any. Anyway there are no more ashtrays in the place, so no chance of playing the "trap the roaches" game anyway.

My new favorite bar easily. I'd say it's like the sleazier cheaper cousin of SO's (those who had been there before they got shut down know that there were some girls there who were not worth the time/money but others who were definitely worth it). Of course this is based on one visit--maybe I caught a night with the right girls working--but I have a feeling it's like that most nights. Kelly said she works "every day" although maybe she didn't really understand what I was asking her. I'll find out soon enough and report back if it turns out that it's lame some nights.

[dr_skins]

One more thing--I got the feeling that I wouldn't have needed the private room w/Kelly if we had gotten the last LD booth (farthest from the bar). I think she was a little nervous to try anything in the middle booth which is where we started out--just too many people walking back and forth right past us. The LD w/Vania was in that last booth, and wasn't all that private either, but I didn't really care and apparently no one else did either, including Vania.

[lappy]

I made a quick trip to Temps last night. I was looking for my little friend Joyce, her phone is disconnected, how does this happen to dancers? Anyway, If you see her YoYoYo let me know.

So I saw Vania, she was on me within minutes, I've seen her at Showplace, but I passed, it was late when I got there and I didn't feel like being #15.

Marina then came on, she looks just like Valeria from VIPs, same face, same bod, spooky. I passed.

After witnessing a near fight and a cute barfoot dancer, I split. This barefoot dancer creeped me out, that floor is beyond skanky.

Overall the place was lame, I'll give it another try soon.

[dr_skins]

So I saw Vania, she was on me within minutes, I've seen her at Showplace, but I passed, it was late when I got there and I didn't feel like being #15....Overall the place was lame, I'll give it another try soon.


I'm having a hard time understanding what was all that lame about the place other than the fact that there was almost a fight (could happen anwhere that you mix booze, men and nearly naked chicks--people have been murdered in strip clubs in Elizabeth and Newark not terribly long ago as far as I recall) and that the floor is skanky/a "cute girl" was barefoot.

Also the fact that you were there late and didn't feel like being #15 is not the fault of the club. If you go late to place where they have more than one customer a night you're going to be #15 or 20 or 30 no matter how "nice" the club is/looks. Your expectations seem a bit unrealistic given the price tag you're looking at here--this isn't Scores, it has a high sleaze factor and is fairly cheap. I think the fact that the girls are not only "cute" but that some of them really put out in a big way is the reason to go here. No frills, sure, but at least plenty of the girls aren't 200 pounds and 50+ years old. Filthy and sleazy--yeah I guess, but lame? I'd have to disagree with you there. Potential for action was way high when I went Monday. I may go again tonight (though a Friday eve may be tough--may be very crowded and hard to get the right girl or a room/LD spot).

[brykster]

I'm having a hard time understanding what was all that lame about the place other than the fact that there was almost a fight (could happen anwhere that you mix booze, men and nearly naked chicks--people have been murdered in strip clubs in Elizabeth and Newark not terribly long ago as far as I recall) and that the floor is skanky/a "cute girl" was barefoot.

Also the fact that you were there late and didn't feel like being #15 is not the fault of the club. If you go late to place where they have more than one customer a night you're going to be #15 or 20 or 30 no matter how "nice" the club is/looks. Your expectations seem a bit unrealistic given the price tag you're looking at here--this isn't Scores, it has a high sleaze factor and is fairly cheap. I think the fact that the girls are not only "cute" but that some of them really put out in a big way is the reason to go here. No frills, sure, but at least plenty of the girls aren't 200 pounds and 50+ years old. Filthy and sleazy--yeah I guess, but lame? I'd have to disagree with you there. Potential for action was way high when I went Monday. I may go again tonight (though a Friday eve may be tough--may be very crowded and hard to get the right girl or a room/LD spot).

interesting....i guess different strokes...
i too would describe my one and only visit as quite lame. i got nothing more than a shitty bump and grind with no mention of extras and walked out completely unsatisfied. plus, there was really nothing in the six or so dancers in attendence that i found interesting...and i have frequented real dumps like Rah Rah's and Cabaret. so yes, at times, this place, like anywhere else, can be rather lame.

that being said, from the post i've read, it seems my experience could be described as somewhat...atypical. therefore, i do intend to give it another shot...perhaps tomorrow evening. it is hard to be experimental with the fruition of some very solid rooms. i've found Micky Dees very fertile these days. alot of new talent. plus, there are several standbys at Tropicana that are always money in the bank. that and financial concerns makes it tough to want to try new clubs. that being said, i wouldn't want to miss a potentially better party elsewhere.

[dr_skins]

Well--went again tonight and as epected there was a big crowd tonight which resulted in some waiting around to get a booth or private room. But there was also a multitude of girls, some who were Russian and a waste of time, and a lot who were Brazilian and not at all a waste of time. Saw both girls I was with Monday. Also saw Priscilla w/dark hair who used to work at HB ages ago when it was good and gave me one of the best dances I ever got there. She hasn't changed except that her hair is longer and nicer and has some streak hi-lites. She's no bombshell by any means but I find her to be cute and sexy, and she seems to get extremely hot/wet for me without any trouble. Anyway I for some reason had some sort of stage fright tonight so it took a "dance" each with the other two girls from last time and then a private room session w/Priscilla before I went home happy. Priscilla by far was more into it than the other two who were just trying to get the job done as fast as possible and not succeeding. Vania was a real trooper at least before we finally gave up. Kelly gave up quicker but was not gouging on the price at all. Priscilla was in heat or something--seemed like she didn't care that I was taking forever and was fondling herself a lot.

The only things lame tonight were me I guess and the fact that it was so goddamn crowded. Priscilla told me she's there every Th/Fr and occasionally Mon. She's also back at HB every wed--said the deal there is VIP room costs $150 just for the room. I'll stick to here thank you very much at $50 and ignore the lo-rent decor.

Looks like I'll be going back again soon.

[dr_skins]

Oh yeah--when we were waiting for a LD spot or private room to open up, Priscilla took her shoes off (GASP!!!) I didn't give a shit.

[brykster]

gave this place another shot on saturday. stuck around for all of 5 minutes. didn't see any dancers that interested me. plus the place was too crowded. i know some guys love the place and attest to there being extras available; but i just don't get a good vibe in the place. it's just not sleazy enough. there's too many white guys like me in there. for the time being, i'll stick with the P-Town shitholes.

[dr_skins]

bryk--I can only lead a horse to water I suppose. I went again this past friday a little earlier and it was a bit less crowded. Had a much better time and with much less wait for a LD spot. You have to kinda hang and get a look at the dancers who circulate--there are generally fairly many at least at nights when I've been there. Haven't tried a day shift yet.

[Evil_Twin]

Stopped by Temps around 11 last night. Place was busy, but not overly crowded. I ordered a beer and stood by the wall to avoid the dollar parade. So there's a short blonde with a nice little butt, she's always there on Fri nights. (don't know her name, I don't usually ask). She works her way over puts her arms around me and asks me if I want a dance. She tells me 100 for everything. I wanted to negotiate a BJ so I told her that was too much. Without another word she kinda give me a shove and briskly walks away. Not open for negotiation. About 5 min later another taller dancer, dirty blonde hair, nice round ass with a Carly Simon kind of mouth walks up and asks if I want a dance. I said How much for everthing? She says 150. I said how about 100. She says OK. So we had to wait in line for a booth. As we're waiting the little blonde walks up with a guy and waits next to me. A booth became available and as the girl takes my hand to lead me to the booth I whispered in the litle blondes ear "50 dollars" and point my girls ass.

[seeker6591]

nice work ET !

it would be great if UG'ers could intoduce Bottoms Up pricing to this place!

thanks for trying!

and thanks for the GREAT review!

[george1948]

Stopped by Temps around 11 last night. Place was busy, but not overly crowded. I ordered a beer and stood by the wall to avoid the dollar parade. So there's a short blonde with a nice little butt, she's always there on Fri nights. (don't know her name, I don't usually ask). She works her way over puts her arms around me and asks me if I want a dance. She tells me 100 for everything. I wanted to negotiate a BJ so I told her that was too much. Without another word she kinda give me a shove and briskly walks away. Not open for negotiation. About 5 min later another taller dancer, dirty blonde hair, nice round ass with a Carly Simon kind of mouth walks up and asks if I want a dance. I said How much for everthing? She says 150. I said how about 100. She says OK. So we had to wait in line for a booth. As we're waiting the little blonde walks up with a guy and waits next to me. A booth became available and as the girl takes my hand to lead me to the booth I whispered in the litle blondes ear "50 dollars" and point my girls ass.

Ah, the art of deception! Great job.....

[HANDYMAN3500]

Is this still temptations your talking about? and if so.... what time do they open and do the still offer these services early?

[darth1138]

I believe they now open at 4pm

Ok I've done two reckons at this place.

First time, arived around 7:00 Pretyy friendly asian looking bartender, took her tips down her bra and was dancing around(wore belly shirt) This just alone was a good thing for you asian lovers out there. I really only noticed one bartender type person on bouncer/wetback and no other bar type persons there. About 10 customers. 7-8 girls. most girls where a 4. half latina half russian. The girl I wanted to take a dance was latina with nice tits but I kept getting cockblocked so went with the only other girl skinny russian who was dancing a little spazzy(My experience is if spazzy dancing at bar=bad lapdance/spazzy lapdance annoying).
Sure enough it was. Then yes gave good grabs to cock and I was wearing thin type pants so I think she was able to get off a little grinding my cock...Nothing offered. One big thing though which I was glad nothing was offered was her cunt reeked so most time I was like is this over yet got get stench off of mee. I forget her name but I remember who she is, plus shes seemed to have many pimples. Man I always seem to find the russian girls have no understanding even of some minor resemblance of hygene.

This place though gave me a vibe that reminded me of Emeralds, and there it was some good some bad nights. I didn't stay long because didn't have time. More girls had showed up some 4,5,6's.

Ok second time, this evening around 6:30 only 4 other customers and 8 girls. Before I even get a drink a girl is on me like white on rice. Flat chested a few extra pounds and face like butter. This is where you really have to say now way in hell very politely so she isn't taken up your space. I get my drink and I see the latina girl I want a dance with tonight. She med hight but very petite, which I like. B+cup nice ass nice leg gap. But as soon as the butter face leaves me there is girl to the left I see I'm like shit she going to get to me first. She has very attractive face, blow job lips, a few extra pounds but given her large chest it's porpotional/forgivable. I get a dance with her(Andrea?).
We get to booth she stadles me and immediatley freeze the twins. starts bumging and grindind switches to rub her but on me....but alas her ass gave off a wif of ass not very strong but strong enough to drop here rating from A list to B+ list. She turns around shows pusyy to me staddles me again and says do you want sex baby? I'm like not today(because of slite smell once get a wif no matter how small it turns me off), she then says how about blowjob? Again I decline but would have asked about pricing if wasn't for slight smell(plus slight ciggy smell), maybe just an off ass day...But still good dance. I only get one dance.

Get back to the bar and some more good looking girls come in for later shift. Then I see the girl I wanted to get come out of dance booth, guess she only got 2 dances out of it. She makes her way around bar to me, comes up too me starts rubbing and talking. Eventually she(Luciana?, A+list) just smoothly slides up and straddles my waist sitting on my lap at the bar and askes how about a dance. Ofcourse I say sure!!

Get to the booth sit down she staddles me again and poof out come the twins. Nice size b's but large nipples, big turn on. She starts the grind and I start the nibble....Warning she is a kisser and ear nibbler so if you are seeing someone after check to see if you got lipstick on you, lol.... She then says do I want sex? I ask how much she said for you $100..Now I'm thinking that we here want to keep prices down plus I didn't come with a lot of money this time she doesn't offer bj. Some more good rubbing cock grabbing then she makes sign of hand job and askes if I want. She say's $60, and I'm thinking dang if I didn't get first dance with other chick I might have countered $60 for bj. I say maybe next time I come in I just came for a drink. I just get one more dance, she is kissing like crazy..I also smelled pot on her breath.... I get second dance and leave for the night.

Tonight there was an old lady bartender plus I think some manager dude besides the bouncer/wetback.


Best way to describe this place is take the girls from Heartbreakers, the offers at John Players and set it in Afterdark.

Really I only have two complaints, high mixed drink pricing 7-8 dollars drafts beer about 2-4 so that way to go...and...the dang chairs for lapdance booths. They are like chairs people put out for the garbage man but the bar cherry picked them. Then every 400 pound dude in NJ came and got a lapdance on them.

All in all though I think I'm hooked at this spot, quick to get to off of route 21 and decent vibe, ymmv and so may the girls, but it's got that ceedy felling all us like.

[george1948]

I believe they now open at 4pm

Ok I've done two reckons at this place.

Great reports. I love some of the descriptions, sadly I could almost sense the aromas you describe, even from here. And your story about the condition of the chairs!! Priceless!

Thanks.

[HueG.rection]

stopped in last night (Fri). The place was packed and there were plenty of drunk assholes about. One tripped up the stairs on the way to the LD and smashed his beer. Then later he fell in to me at the bar and broke a glass.

Anyway, good girls working but long line for the LD. Finally got a dance with Cleo (previously reviewed by me) but it was rushed due to the bar was closing in about 20min. I really wanted a dance from Anna but she came off the stage, gave me a rub and a flash but said her friend was waiting for her at the other end of the bar and she would be back later - she never returned. There was another one I see there quite often but can't seem to get her name or a dance with her as she is in high demand. 5'6" braz girl, olive skin, nice solid natural "c"'s with dirty blondish brown hair. She is on the younger side, probably mid 20's with some of the better natural proportions in the club. I like this place for the mileage and the sleaze factor. One big turn-off though is I keep seeing cockroaches. I was standing at the bar watching the dancers and there was one running around near my drink. I smashed the shit out of it but I kept feeling like my skin was crawling all night. I was good up until I saw the cockroach.

The vip rooms are available for 50 with a lengthy time limit and anything goes. I have yet to venture in one of them but the thought is tempting with some of the girls. Just afraid to sit down anywhere due to the possibility of bringing home some roaches...

[dr_skins]

I was there for a bit friday also--had a dance w/luciana who I have seen many times at SO (but never went downstairs with), a friend of hers was there who also worked at SO but not someone I recognized. Anyway luciana is really cute with a nice slim body, long dark hair, B-cup. I took a very long time as usual, and she resorted to HR at the end but didn't let me go without a smile on my face. Waited around for a bit and then saw a dominican named olga who was very curvy and heavily made up. After she got too tired to ride CG, switched to CBJ and was no quitter--kept going when I finished until I stopped spazzing. Let me finger her the whole time. Only bad thing was she had bad cooch hygiene--my finger smelled awful. Was thinking the guy who invented latex is my hero on the way home, and also was glad I didn't have any little cuts or hangnails on my finger. Anyway--it was quite a free-for-all last night. I was there pretty early--about 7:30 til maybe 9. People were walking right past us while olga was going to town, one guy was standing there like a douche and she stopped sucking for a sec to give him shit and make him go away. I was too horny to give a shit, and thought it was pretty funny when she chewed the guy out. It was definitely a more of a factor with luciana--she was trying hard to conceal what was going on and just did reverse CG w/her legs jammed together. Tough to really feel what's going on for me in that position. Took a long time w/olga more cuz I was already one load lighter than because of the lack of privacy.

Anyway, so far I've consistently had no problem finding what I want here--even went on New Year's day to find only one dancer there (whose name I now forget) and they decided to close after only about an hour--still they let me take her for a dance, and she at least tried to deliver, but she unfortunately didn't want to finish the job when it was taking more than a couple of minutes because they were closing up and had already kicked everyone else out.

Whoever put this place somewhere between Afterdark and Emeralds I disagree--it's more like SO caliber/type girls in an Emeralds-type environment IMO (in fact now there apparently are at least a couple of former SO girls there). The girls in Emeralds tended to be older and uglier on avg. than these girls, and Afterdark is huge compared to this place with even fuglier, fatter girls than Emeralds had and no LD booths/rooms.

[darth1138]

Whoever put this place somewhere between Afterdark and Emeralds I disagree--it's more like SO caliber/type girls in an Emeralds-type environment IMO (in fact now there apparently are at least a couple of former SO girls there). The girls in Emeralds tended to be older and uglier on avg. than these girls, and Afterdark is huge compared to this place with even fuglier, fatter girls than Emeralds had and no LD booths/rooms.

Never been to SO so couldn't disagree there. My reference to Afterdark was to compare how brokedown looking everything is like firehazard ready to happen, plus as mentioned by others but not seen the cockaroches.

[dr_skins]

no problem--just sharing my own opinion of the place and trying to give people as much info to go on as possible. I also haven't seen a roach here yet. Been looking around for them, but not exactly spending my entire time there searching them out either--other priorities are on my mind, and I've been at far dumpier places than this (the original Club Celebrations on 33 near the parkway/Neptune area comes to mind--that place had a pretty foul odor all the time right at the bar but some crazy shit used to go on there on par with Clancy's before it changed owners).

[supermannj]

This isn't the same Anna that used to work at SO in WO until they closed? Is it? Braz with dirty blonde hair... kinda big lips, decent body? She was a great dancer!!!

I really wanted a dance from Anna but she came off the stage, gave me a rub and a flash but said her friend was waiting for her at the other end of the bar and she would be back later - she never returned.

[lappy]

Anyone been here lately? trying to breathe a little life into this thread.

[iliketang]

I don;t know how much cpuld really change in 2 weeks, my thoughts anyway.

[TNA]

no problem--just sharing my own opinion of the place and trying to give people as much info to go on as possible. I also haven't seen a roach here yet. Been looking around for them, but not exactly spending my entire time there searching them out either--other priorities are on my mind, and I've been at far dumpier places than this (the original Club Celebrations on 33 near the parkway/Neptune area comes to mind--that place had a pretty foul odor all the time right at the bar but some crazy shit used to go on there on par with Clancy's before it changed owners).

Get a lap dance anywhere upstairs and an audience of roaches will be happy to greet you. Last year, got a dance w/ a fave who was looking for brighter horizons just before SO'd closed and just as she took her shoes off and sat in my lap, she leaped up like I had a jungle knife sticking outta my crotch! Some raoches had crawled across one of her feet. 2 weeks ago got a dance from another SO's ex, Luciana, and I saw a couple one a sill behind me in the third lap dance cubicle. Glad I didn't bring any home in my coat. ANyway, for all those that give a shit Luciana tried her best but it was all a little too mechanical for me. Couldn't convince for the BBBJ, which always sucks... no pun intended ;) This lace is a pure roach motel. If you've been to worse, you have my condolences. For me, only the former Harmony in NYC comes close to this place, only it had no roaches!

[openheads]

First post, so work with me here. I went to Tempts for the first time last Sunday. The talent was about what I expected, decent looking Brazilians & Russians. 2 Braz & 3 or 4 Ruskies. The place was packed (I was surprised, it was a Sunday). Decided to get a dance from Paouela SP* (pronounced POW-EL-A). She tried to convince me to get the $150 room but I declined, it was my first time there so I wanted to keep my costs low. Got a room right in front with numerous people milling about in front of the open booth. She immediately gets on her knees & begins biting me through my jeans. I guess she thought it was sexy, but it hurt like hell. She then complements me on the size of my cock & invites the other Braz dancer to take a look. She whips it out & the other dancer seemed unimpressed & walked away. She covers me up for a BJ which lasted all of 5 seconds before she hops on reverse CG. I haven’t popped that quickly since Jr high school. There were just too many people standing in front of the booth & it made the experience uncomfortable to say the least. The experience might have been better if there was even a semblance of privacy. 80 & 20 tip. Oh, did I mention this was my first time taking it this far in a strip joint? Walked out feeling disoriented.
I started hitting up the Paterson & Newark spots about a year ago, but this place was no holds barred. No conversation, no “buy me a drink” BS. I have gotten some handies & DFK before, but even then you may talk for a minute, not at this place.
I hope my “review” wasn’t too bad.

[stevana]

I hope my “review” wasn’t too bad.

I think it was very good. Thank you very much for sharing.

[brykster]

First post, so work with me here. I went to Tempts for the first time last Sunday. The talent was about what I expected, decent looking Brazilians & Russians. 2 Braz & 3 or 4 Ruskies. The place was packed (I was surprised, it was a Sunday). Decided to get a dance from Paouela SP* (pronounced POW-EL-A). She tried to convince me to get the $150 room but I declined, it was my first time there so I wanted to keep my costs low. Got a room right in front with numerous people milling about in front of the open booth. She immediately gets on her knees & begins biting me through my jeans. I guess she thought it was sexy, but it hurt like hell. She then complements me on the size of my cock & invites the other Braz dancer to take a look. She whips it out & the other dancer seemed unimpressed & walked away. She covers me up for a BJ which lasted all of 5 seconds before she hops on reverse CG. I haven’t popped that quickly since Jr high school. There were just too many people standing in front of the booth & it made the experience uncomfortable to say the least. The experience might have been better if there was even a semblance of privacy. 80 & 20 tip. Oh, did I mention this was my first time taking it this far in a strip joint? Walked out feeling disoriented.
I started hitting up the Paterson & Newark spots about a year ago, but this place was no holds barred. No conversation, no “buy me a drink” BS. I have gotten some handies & DFK before, but even then you may talk for a minute, not at this place.
I hope my “review” wasn’t too bad.

welcome. good first post; but i think you got a little ripped off. 80 bucks sounds too much for what you got...but if you enjoyed yourself, then i guess it was worth it. strip club FS and even BJ's do seem a bit harder to come by in Jersey...at least for the time being.

[openheads]

Quite possibly, but like I said, the whole thing was disorienting. I just wanted to get out of there. $ was not discussed before hand. If I choose to do that again I will be more frugal. Not trying to escalate the standard amount fellas.

[darth1138]

Dude $good for FS....but no need for extra tip;) And don't feel bad popping quick...Girl I had young blonde brazilian nice tits was so tight I popped in a minute.

[kerpal68]

I don't know about you guys but popping quick in an open booth at temps is recommended. It's tough to change your thought process from holding out to ummm go go go! It's always bad when you hear your temp love say "concentrate" it ruins the moment a bit. :)

[iliketang]

Went Monday night, got there around 1215 and surprisingly it was fairly quiet. Seats were open at bar and the dancers even ordered a pizza. By 1245, it picked up and was fairly busy.
Got a lap dance from a redhead, said she was new and I didn't catch her name. She said she used to dance at Showplace in Dover a while back.
Anyway, about half way through dance, she takes out Mr Happy and pets him. She turns facing away and aboutn 10 seconds later sits down (no penetration just sitting there) and the bounce walks over looks in the room and says to the dancer "I hope you are keeping it clean this time?" WTF. He walks away, then comes back and stares inside for a bit and then walks away again.
The dancer was pissed and said "He probably wants her because all the other girls have been doing alot more all night."
She told me she is working rest of the week, but I probably won't go back this week. She does do VIP.

[Evil_Twin]

$100 for FS seems to be the norm there.

[brykster]

$100 for FS seems to be the norm there.

FUCK THAT!!!! 60 beans at M Dee's.

[Evil_Twin]

I've never paid more than $40 at Mickey Dees. The talent at Temps is MUCH better than MD's. If you just want to get off and are not really concerned about where you stick it, then I guess MD's is the better value.

[brykster]

I've never paid more than $40 at Mickey Dees. The talent at Temps is MUCH better than MD's. If you just want to get off and are not really concerned about where you stick it, then I guess MD's is the better value.

with all do respect, the handful of times i've been to Temps, i didn't see any talent that much better than what you get at M Dee's. also, at M Dee's, you pay 20 for the room and another 40 to the dancer, making it 60 bucks. if you are getting away with only paying the dancer 20 bucks, then kudos to you.

[Evil_Twin]

I stand corrected, I forgot about the $20 to the bartender. At temps I only pay the girl. We must go to MD's on different days. All the dancers I've seen at MD's are old and out of shape. Many of the dancers at Temps are younger and tighter.

[brykster]

I stand corrected, I forgot about the $20 to the bartender. At temps I only pay the girl. We must go to MD's on different days. All the dancers I've seen at MD's are old and out of shape. Many of the dancers at Temps are younger and tighter.

M Dee's may be more hit or miss; but i have from time to time, come across slim, good looking 20 somethings. i think the main allure of Temps in this regard would be the shear number of dancers. you certainly get better variety as opposed to the 3 to 5 dancers typically at M Dee's. this being said, i don't think i could forgive myself for paying 100 bucks for one session. hell, i have trouble coughing up the 60 at M Dee's. i guess because i'm out there a minimum of 4 days a week, that kind of money could really add up. maybe i need a better job...or a real GF.

[Evil_Twin]

I have had BJ's at Temps for $40 and $50 as well as FS for $100.

[brykster]

I have had BJ's at Temps for $40 and $50 as well as FS for $100.

40 to 50 including what you pay to the club for the dance?

[Evil_Twin]

Never paid the club for the dance, just the dancer.

[yoyoyo]

I was at Temptations on Tuesday and today, Sunday. On Tuesday the black bouncer told me that the back rooms were temporarily shut down but would be back up in a couple of days. Went back Sunday and was told the private rooms are still closed and no one could say when they would re-open or if they would. I hear they were hooked up with the municipality but it seems that has ended. I think they got too popular for their own good. I knew when they subdivided the back room into 3 areas they were getting too greedy. The open lap dance cubicles are still available and you can prolly still get some stuff if you are interested. But I like a little privacy. I am gonna go back sometime during the week and see what's up. Will report back. Hopefully this club will not go down like all my other clubs have; Liquid Assets, Showoffs, Bottoms Up.

[yoyoyo]

Looks like this club is a goner. Just got back and the back room is still closed. The lap dances in the three cubicles are being watched. Looks like extras are no longer offered. The dances I got were aggressive and they allowed generous roaming but everything was strictly over the pants. If anyone sees a change in this place please post. Where do I go now for my Brazilian extras ?

[openheads]

WOW, thats a shame. This was one of my favorite places. It was anything goes with some of the dancers there.

[ekual2003]

It was only a matter of time the extra mileage would stop here.
I mean really, what do you expect?. This was an anything goes place with agressive hot Brazilians, and it was 2 steps away from Clifton!
I am surprised it held up this long actually, but now its back to the old Temptations style. Pretty soon the 'Zillians will be moving on from there, because they cant make any good money, no more extras allowed.
It's ashame, but im sure with a little recon work, we can all find where to go for Zillian' extras.

[lappy]

yoyoyo, I mentioned Joyce a few weeks ago and you said you knew her too, have you seen her? I have stopped in here 2-3 times and have been to Players many times but no sign of her. Of course her phone was disconnected and then reconnected but no one ever answers it.

[kerpal68]

Anyone have updates on this place? Vip room still closed down?

[ekual2003]

VIP room is still closed down supposedly.
BUT I got inside info from someone who is a regular there.
If your a regular there and spend enough money, and if your in with the bouncer dude, you can get into the VIP room. So, im sure its still off limits, but you need to put in your time, from what I heard.

[yoyoyo]

Still down as of Wednesday, 05/02. I did get a couple of numbers for possible outside activity. Tried to hook up with two of them but they did not answer their phones or return my messages. These Brazilian dancers are unreliable. What is a Brazilian lover supposed to do?

Lappy, in regards to Joyce, i used to see her quite often at Liquid Assets when Kenda wasn't in attendance. Nice slim body with a lesser face, not wholly unpleasant but better after a couple of beers. I saw her once at Temptations about six months ago but I have not seen her since. I did not hook up with her at the time because there were better options. As to her present whereabouts, the only clue I can offer is that she told me once that she worked at Smiles 2 in Ledgewood, NJ. I don't want to send you on a wild goose chase so take that info with a grain of salt. I have no idea if she works there now. Sorry I could not be of more help. I know how hard it is to keep track of these Brazilians. Anybody know where Kenda is these days ?

[NoahNYC]

I went here tonight (Saturday) for the first time. If you're coming from New York City and not driving, you can take the train from Penn Station through Secaucus Junction to Passaic and walk the six blocks up Van Houten. But I took the 190 bus from Port Authority to Van Houten and Main and walked twelve blocks to it. Most of the neighborhood was Orthodox Jewish.

I walked in at maybe 10:30PM. There were lots of spaces to sit back and avoid the dollar parade. I would echo what others have said about the girls - some 7s, a few 6s, mostly 5s, a few 4s. Regarding the talk of dancers age - I only saw two older dances here, the girl I danced with was in her early 20s.

Anyone, one of the two older ones, Brazilian approached me right away. She was blonde, in her late 30s probably but she looked a little beat up like she was a little older. She told me I made her pussy wet and she stuck her tongue in my ear a few times, I was not really encouraging her. I told her maybe later which she took as a complete blow off although it wasn't. For one thing, although I definitely am looking for the 9s and 10s, or at least 7s and 8s, in their twenties or early thirties, in the past Brazilians who were 5s or 6s and in their early 30s have given me such great dances and had great attitudes that she got some carry over from that. But she was not going to be my first choice, if I had no luck and had downed a few I might have tried her out. She was below my standards, but not so far below that after a few and being horny I might have gone back.

Then a girl comes from behind me and asks if I want a dance. She was from Minas Gerais, and had a small nose ring. I didn't answer and chatted her up. Her face looked nice, but I wanted to see her body, which was obscured. I told her I would have a dance and I would be right back. I took a leak quickly, then I get out and some guy sat in my chair and she was all over him now. From my vantage I could see she had a decent body. But she was chatting other guys by this point.

There was a cute Latina in her early 20s who I saw and after some time she asked me if I wanted a dance. The dances are $20 - she asked me to pay up front for my first one! But the next few I didn't. Stalls have no curtain, are open, in the back and in a row - kind of like VIPs. I got her digits without asking, she was cute so I'll call her.

Anyhow, I thought this place was not bad. It had semi-private LDs, Brazilians in a decent age/looks range, a place to stand away from the bar and miss the dollar train, a fairly safe neighborhood and crowd, within transportation distance - including being near Paterson, so that if it is beat one night I can just walk a few blocks and take the train or bus there.

[iliketang]

Great post Noah. Did you happen to notice if anyone was going into the door across from lap dance area? That is where the real good dances use to take place, but apparently has since closed up.

[HueG.rection]

went to Temps last night and saw several of the zillians that work the p-town circuit and I am not talking about the good zillians. Several of them were well beyond their prime. Unlike in the past, the girls at temps seem to be more of the washed up sort with some 7's thrown in. Past visits to Temps I saw more 7's and willing to do extras with a few older 3-6's thrown in. Had a drink and chatted with a few of the older ones that I recognized and recognized me from p-town. The LD booths have been changed to mostly open space with small floor to ceiling wooden dividers between them. They only protruded about 2-3' from the wall and no curtains - very little privacy.

While at the bar this tall crew-cut Russian dude who was drunk, was moving a bar stool on his way out, to see if he dropped something. This shorter Latino guy was next to him giving him a look so the Russian dude was starring down at him and asked him if he had a problem. That was my cue to move to the other side of the bar. Literally 30 seconds later they break out into a brawl and the bouncers had to drag them outside. 8 Passaic police cars and 2 ambulances show up outside. The one zillian I was chatting with told me it was the 4th fight that night. Since there was nothing to my liking, I decided it would be best to call it a night; it was also 2:00 AM. I went outside to leave and the cops were all around and my car was blocked in. I had to wait outside about 15min. for things to settle down and the cars to move so I could exit.

Better luck next time.

[masquerade]

I'm curious, when you guys talk about finding a seat to avoid the "dollar parade", what do you mean exactly? Are you trying to weasle out of tipping the girls for their stage sets, or are you talking about the girls who just walk around basically begging for money? When I get off stage, I hit up everyone... I don't care where you're sitting. I zoom out when I'm on stage so that I can take it all in; who's really into me, who looks like they'll buy a dance when I'm finished, who's totally zoned-out and could care less. A lot of guys try to ******out - "You were on stage just now? Man, I totally missed it!" , "Oh, I was outside smoking. I missed the whole thing." "When are you up again?" (most annoying cop out ever, btw) I know who was taking in my show and who wasn't, I'm not completely oblivious, so obviously it really pisses me off when guys who sat their totally engaged in watching my show try to rip me off like that. Sometimes, I actually know that a certain guy wasn't watching - maybe he was watching the game, or talking to another dancer. Fine, no biggie, I understand and don't expect a free handout. But more often than not, they're just tossing me lines to avoid coughing up a fucking dollar. It makes me furious. It's gotten to the point that I'm trying to concoct the perfect retort to completely emasculate them. Suggestions?

[Slinky Bender]

a) Yes*
b) How many times a set do you do it?
c) If a place has 8 girls on stage at a time, do you really think a guy sitting at the bar should spend $120 an hour in dollar tips?



* Are you trying to weasle out of tipping the girls for their stage sets,

[masquerade]

a) Yes*
b) How many times a set do you do it?
c) If a place has 8 girls on stage at a time, do you really think a guy sitting at the bar should spend $120 an hour in dollar tips?



* Are you trying to weasle out of tipping the girls for their stage sets,

a) yeah, that would be the most direct way to confront them. Usually I just say something like, "you know, it's customary to give the stage performer a dollar or two if you watched the show, and I recall making eye contact with you at least twice."
b) We only ask for tips once - right after our show is over. We walk around the edge of the stage and pick up whatever has been thrown onto the tip bar, and a lot of time guys will simply hand us money when we come around. Then, we get dressed and walk up to all the tables and wait to be tipped. We're supposed to say something polite if the guy doesn't automatically hand us the dollar, like - "did you enjoy my show?", but I'm usually more direct with a, "would you care to leave a tip for my stage show?"
c)No, absolutely not. But I've never been to any club that has eight girls on stage at a time. usually it's just one or two and the sets are at least two or three songs long. Yeah, sure, it can get expensive, but going to a strip club is a luxury, after all - is it not? If you can't afford to throw a little money around, you shouldn't be there in the first place. It's common curteousy to tip the stage performers if you're sitting there enjoying the show.

[Slinky Bender]

When guys talk about the relentless "tip parade" a lot of us are compalining about a girl coming by for a second time. Sometimes not just within the same set, but within the same song. I know the last time I complained it was about Johnny A's in/near Patterson where they did have 8 to 10 girls on stage just constantly comming by for tips (like twice a minute). But it's not just there, it's at a bunch of the Patterson clubs (Cabaret perhaps being the worst?).

The best would be for you to crack gum and immitate Fran Dresher (sp?) and walk up to them and say "Gimme a dollah ya cheap bastid".

[brykster]

I'm curious, when you guys talk about finding a seat to avoid the "dollar parade", what do you mean exactly? Are you trying to weasle out of tipping the girls for their stage sets, or are you talking about the girls who just walk around basically begging for money? When I get off stage, I hit up everyone... I don't care where you're sitting. I zoom out when I'm on stage so that I can take it all in; who's really into me, who looks like they'll buy a dance when I'm finished, who's totally zoned-out and could care less. A lot of guys try to ******out - "You were on stage just now? Man, I totally missed it!" , "Oh, I was outside smoking. I missed the whole thing." "When are you up again?" (most annoying cop out ever, btw) I know who was taking in my show and who wasn't, I'm not completely oblivious, so obviously it really pisses me off when guys who sat their totally engaged in watching my show try to rip me off like that. Sometimes, I actually know that a certain guy wasn't watching - maybe he was watching the game, or talking to another dancer. Fine, no biggie, I understand and don't expect a free handout. But more often than not, they're just tossing me lines to avoid coughing up a fucking dollar. It makes me furious. It's gotten to the point that I'm trying to concoct the perfect retort to completely emasculate them. Suggestions?

first off, i'm sure what you do onstage is more of a show. these so called dancers in Paterson literally mill around talking to each other and beg.

Slinky, if you say Cabaret is the worst, then one thing is for certain, you've never had the displeasure of going to Marcet. every dancer approaches you within the first 5 minutes. this is not an exaggeration.

secondly, any dancer who approaches me and begs, is automatically off of the potential LD list. if i was at your club, no matter how good you looked, if you approached me while not onstage to ask for money, you will begrudgingly get a dollar and probably a comment to the effect of "now, get out of my face." there are too many girls to tip each one...at least in the clubs i go to. in many, many cases, the girls have outnumbered customers 5 to 1. am i supposed to blow through 100 bucks in 20 minutes...and believe me, if i don't say no, that is exactly what would happen. plus, i'm sorry; but i don't feel an obligation to give a busted 50 year old pig who weighs 180 any money. it is a strip club, not a charity.

lastly, i do not feel obliged to tip simply because someone danced. i tip a girl if i like her and i am trying to prime her for a good time in the back.

BTW, a seat avoiding the tip parade is a seat off the stage, usually at the perimeter of the bar. watching a girl dance on stage does zero, nada, nothing whatsoever for me. in fact, it is way more likely my eyes would be glued to the Yankee game behind you than on you.

perhaps expectations are different with regard to the casual user; but for a monger, tipping a dancer you have no interest in taking to the back is a giant waste of cash.

[lappy]

I'll add my thoughts as well:

I DON'T TIP.....lol. I feel like I have put my time in at the clubs and I am exempt. Also in my previous life I had tons of cash. Now I leave the cash in the bank.

If I stop in a club on wkd afternoon and it's slow I will tip a little. But at the Post or another club I sit at the bar and wave them off. I will tip most American girls, also black girls if they are hot and a few Latin girls if they look good. I only tip a handful of Ruskies on the circiut.

I always tip the bartenders big because they are American and they are working. Also, one look from a good bartender will fend off any bouncer that hears a complaint from a dancer.

I counted 25 girls at a club on Saturday Night I tipped 2. It's imposible to tip all the girls and get out alive.

My buddy said, "they're like seagulls at the beach and we have the bread."

[Axe]

Something that is sort of the opposite of what I was talking about with M in another thread...

When I'm sitting/speaking with a stripper, sometimes even the ones who were just on stage will not interrupt. Have you tried this? I suspect at the P-town clubs it wont work anyway. The strippers are refuckinglentless. Lots of Russians too, right?

[justlooking]

In clubs with stage tipping or post-stage tip parades, I don't feel constrained to tip every single girl who does a stage show. There are some girls who I think should be discouraged from staying in the business, at least as far as I'm concerned, and this is one way I discourage them.

(I DO feel more constrained to tip if I'm sitting at the stage -- which is why I NEVER sit at the stage.)

[Axe]

I've also reached the point in a few places where some strippers will stop by to talk and will not want or expect a tip. One of the bennies of being a regular, I guess. Again, problematic in P-town; those clubs almost belong in a class by themselves.

[justlooking]

Of course that's true everywhere.

[Shoot2Thrill]

Suggestions?Try losing some weight or wearing a hotter outfit. To tier dancers don’t and never resort to this level of hustle. There are those that thrill and those that fill. Thrillers are booked nearly every minute at the club they don’t have time to pick up pennies. Nor do they need to emasculate. If your intention is to berate bar customers who don’t tip within your expectations best suit up get a Kevlar g-string.

[justlooking]

M hardly needs me to speak for her, but she's already told us that she's one of the top earners at her club.

She's not asking us how she can make ENOUGH money. She's asking how she can make MORE money.

(I'm just piping up because I hate it that almost every time a sex worker asks for advice, guys assume she's either (a) stupid or (b) undesirable. When maybe she just wants some tips on how to do better.)

[Shoot2Thrill]

Feel free to tell her how to emasculate legitimate customers. Don’t mind me! :)

[brykster]

Try losing some weight or wearing a hotter outfit. To tier dancers don’t and never resort to this level of hustle. There are those that thrill and those that fill. Thrillers are booked nearly every minute at the club they don’t have time to pick up pennies. Nor do they need to emasculate. If your intention is to berate bar customers who don’t tip within your expectations best suit up get a Kevlar g-string.

dead on, bro.

JL, i understand where you are coming from; but it's dancers who think like that (excessive greed) who are digging their own grave. i'm sure the begging that goes on is one of the reasons club attendence has plummeted. a guy does not go to a club for harrassment by a dancer or anyone else. having a stripper confront me and ask for my money is no less annoying than being in grand central after midnight.

BTW, i don't think anyone is assuming M is not attractive; but be that as it may, shoot is right. any dancer who desrves to be there has her card filled every second. she's not concerned about squeezing a buck out of some poor shlub...she's in the back earning real $$$$$.

[justlooking]

On the general topic of stage tipping, I think the truth is that nobody can expect to be stage tipped any more.

I think that once the model moved (sometime back in the 80s, I believe) from a "show" model to a "service" model (i.e., lapdances), it became less sensical, from most customers' perspectives, to tip for stage dances (which most customers don't view as providing any kind of service, or as amounting to much more than advertisements for lap dances).

I'd say this is true even in places like the one M now works in, where the dances are restricted to the point of utter lameness. They're still viewed as a service you buy, whereas stage dancing just isn't.

I think my point is, there's just nothing you can do to get a guy to tip for a stage dance, who isn't trying to butter you up for a more private dance. That's just the way things are now.

[justlooking]

I'll add that I'm sure resistance to stage tipping increased when the standard dance fee doubled from $10 to $20 in the late 90s (I'm obviously talking about NYC now). I think that many customers felt that, once lap dances began to cost so much (and for so little), there was no reason to spend any more in the club on strippers for even less.

[justlooking]

OTOH, in clubs like the Pussycat Lounge or the old Billy's, where the stage show is all there is (no private dances of any kind),* almost everybody tips almost every dancer.
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* In club, at least.

[justlooking]

Shoot2thrill & Brykster -- I don't want to get into a fight with you guys, but what you're saying strikes me as being the same as someone telling me, "You should be able to get all the money you want from your hourly fees; only loser lawyers need to make money out of photocopying charges."

Well, guess what? We ALL do it. I make about as much as I can from hourly billings, but this is my job and I STILL try to make more from photocopying charges and the like. I'm here to maximize my income. I'm sure you guys treat your jobs the same way.

Why is it rational for any of us to try to maximize our income from our work by exploiting all possible profit centers, but "greedy" for a sex worker to do so?

(Not that I think M has much of a chance with stage tips, as I explained above.)

[masquerade]

I don't think you guys understand my position on this. It's a strip club, the girl on stage is working - that's how she makes a living. You've come into her place of business to enjoy the atmosphere that she is (at least in part) providing to you. Why shouldn't you give her a dollar for a show you just watched?

Look, I've worked at upscale mahattan places where nobody tipped the stage performer - it just wasn't the norm. I never complained about people being cheap back then because the club just wasn't set up so that the stage was the main attraction, so to speak. The club I work at now is different. Just about every guy who's sitting there is watching the stage, with very few exceptions. I understand that there will be some guys who did not watch my show, and I know who they are because I take an inventory of the room while I'm up there. Maybe they where in the bathroom, or getting a lap dance... whatever. I don't even approach those guys because what would they be tipping me for??

My point is that if you visit a club where stage tipping is the expected norm and you watched the girl on stage dance (whether or not you find her attractive is besides the point) you should give her a dollar when she comes around and politely asks if you enjoyed her show. To argue this is just telling me that you're a cheap bastard.

[masquerade]

On the general topic of stage tipping, I think the truth is that nobody can expect to be stage tipped any more.

I think that once the model moved (sometime back in the 80s, I believe) from a "show" model to a "service" model (i.e., lapdances), it became less sensical, from most customers' perspectives, to tip for stage dances (which most customers don't view as providing any kind of service, or as amounting to much more than advertisements for lap dances).

I'd say this is true even in places like the one M now works in, where the dances are restricted to the point of utter lameness. They're still viewed as a service you buy, whereas stage dancing just isn't.

I think my point is, there's just nothing you can do to get a guy to tip for a stage dance, who isn't trying to butter you up for a more private dance. That's just the way things are now.

One interesting point I think I need to make is that the club I work at is sort of a legend in my area - it's been there for like, 25 years. When it first opened, they didn't even have lap dances. In fact, the lap dance area was constructed as an addition to the building about ten years ago. I think it's important to mention this as it relates to JL's "new model" theory, because I believe that given the history of my club, the model probably hasn't changed all that much. I'm sure that the dancers are working the room after their stage sets in the exact same manner they were doing it back in 1985.

[masquerade]

dead on, bro.

JL, i understand where you are coming from; but it's dancers who think like that (excessive greed) who are digging their own grave. i'm sure the begging that goes on is one of the reasons club attendence has plummeted. a guy does not go to a club for harrassment by a dancer or anyone else. having a stripper confront me and ask for my money is no less annoying than being in grand central after midnight.

BTW, i don't think anyone is assuming M is not attractive; but be that as it may, shoot is right. any dancer who desrves to be there has her card filled every second. she's not concerned about squeezing a buck out of some poor shlub...she's in the back earning real $$$$$.

Brykster, trust me.... I am very busy most nights. Indeed, the money I make from my stage sets normally only constitutes about 25% of my total take home. However, I know this amount could and more importantly shouldbe more - if the customers only acted appropriately. How am I "greedy" in expecting people to treat me the same way I would treat them in a similar situation?

[justlooking]

I'm not sure about this -- Slinky Bender probably knows more about this than I do -- but I think that when the model changed from "show" to "service" was the same time the model changed from "club pays strippers" to "strippers pay club." If that's true, then you can see that stage tips would have been much less important in the "show" days, because tips weren't strippers' only compensation.

If that's right, then it's entirely possible that there was NEVER a solid tradition of stage tipping. Which seems intuitively right to me, because as much as I sympathise with what you're saying, it's hard for me to feel like I'm really obligated to give any money to some woman I was watching from across the room. And I'm really not that cheap.

PS -- Does your club charge a cover? (You probably see where this is going.)

[justlooking]

Let's just say that when I go to a bar with a band, it never occurs to me to tip them.

[Axe]

This might start more trouble than its worth, but isnt tipping supposed to be voluntary? I'm sure if I was a cust at M's club, I'd probably tip every stripper that came off-stage. At a club in P-town, I sure as fuck would NOT. In a low-pressure environment, I tend to loosen up; at a place where I feel like I'm being assaulted, I tighten up like a clams ass.

[justlooking]

The problem is when tips are the entirety of a workers' compensation.

Tipping at restaurants isn't really voluntarily. You HAVE to tip, or else you're depriving some worker of all pay.

So you can see why strippers view this issue so differently from us.

I think we think, who CARES about stage dancing. I'M not gonna tip for that. If I like you, I'll buy a dance.

But THEY think, I'm WORKING. I should be getting PAID.

PS -- I think your point about the amount of pressure (and feeling like you're being assaulted) is exactly right, nonetheless. (And all M was asking, of course, was how to solicit these tips without seeming like she's assaulting anyone. But maybe you P-Town guys are so embittered you can't respond to that.)

[Axe]

And whats making the opinions on this thread more extreme is that some persons are coming from the P-town experience, while M is coming from her somewhat low-key club where she currently works....those two experiences couldnt be more different. It really isnt a fair comparison. Like I said, P-town belongs in a class by itself.

[justlooking]

I'm sure you're right.

[Shoot2Thrill]

Expected norm, acting appropriately, should be? who's norm, who’s appropriate, who says? I did not see anyone looking for those killer lines how to degrade a dancer. Not looking to disrespect or not tip, just take offense to being told I’m obligated by virtue of a set of rules that someone else’s decides would be fitting to meet their financial goals.

[justlooking]

I agree with you, shoot, and I tried to explain why I don't think stage tipping is quite the "norm" M is saying it is.

But you also have to try to see the issue from the perspective of someone who doesn't get paid to work by her club, but rather pays her club to work, and is told by management that one of the ways she'll make back her shift fee is through the stage tips she'll get. How does she know it isn't a norm?

[justlooking]

I mean, as I said, I agree with you about stage tipping, but surely you'd never argue that you have no obligation to tip a waiter or waitress in a restaurant? And you didn't set that "norm", either.

[Axe]

I hear you shoot, but you HAVE to admit there ARE some horribly cheap custs out there. If I were a stripper I'd look for ways to deal with them, just as I look for ways to deal with disagreeable strippers as a cust. It does work both ways.

[Slinky Bender]

a) I think that when the model changed from "show" to "service" was the same time the model changed from "club pays strippers" to "strippers pay club."

b) If that's right, then it's entirely possible that there was NEVER a solid tradition of stage tipping. Which seems intuitively right to me, because as much as I sympathise with what you're saying, it's hard for me to feel like I'm really obligated to give any money to some woman I was watching from across the room. And I'm really not that cheap.


a) yes
b) no

I think what happened is that when clubs saw that dancers could make "real" money in club, they figured out they wanted a piece of is and stopped paying/started grabbinng. But back when all there was was stage dancing, many clubs had a very high percentage of their seating as close to teh bar/dancing area as possible, and dacners expected dollar tipping as much as (or in the case of many clubs) more than now.

[Slinky Bender]

There's also a big difference in how girls solicit those $ tips than it used to be. For example, every dancer used to know that if you crumpled up a dollar bill and held it at the tips of your fingers with your hand cocked forward, they were supposed to pull their (front/crotch) bottoms out so you could "shoot a basket". Now, you just get funny looks.

The worst are the one's in the tip parade who make sure you have no contact whatsoever by usuing the "phoney breast grab" and other assorted tricks.

[justlooking]

Note that M is talking about something different. She's not talking about soliciting stage tips while on stage, but walking through the club afterward.

(Not to mention that, the way she describes her club, any girl would get thrown out for doing what Slinky Bender describes.)

(Of course, I realize that this thread is about Temptations, not M and her club.)

[Slinky Bender]

PS The smartest girls used to give a stack of singles to another dancer and they would trade tpping eachother during their sets. If done correctly, it leads to much more stage tipping because guys don't want to be shown up by a girl tipping while they are doing nothing. the key is not going overboard, because then guys will know that there's no way they are going to "keep up", so they just give up entirely. Another simialr way is to let girls get away with a LOT when they tip you, but not let guys. If done correctly, guys will be handing the girls dollars to tip you with and watch the show.

[Slinky Bender]

Note that M is talking about something different. She's not talking about soliciting stage tips while on stage, but walking through the club afterward.

(Not to mention that, the way she describes her club, any girl would get thrown out for doing what Slinky Bender describes.)

(Of course, I realize that this thread is about Temptations, not M and her club.)

In my experience, this is the worst way to do things. The guys standing away fro the stage probably got no real show, plus they stood away fro the stage because they didn't want to stage tip. It's a terrible business model.

[justlooking]

I couldn't agree more.

[Shoot2Thrill]

It's a terrible business model.

YES SIR, absolutely right!

[Axe]

The worst are the one's in the tip parade who make sure you have no contact whatsoever by usuing the "phoney breast grab" and other assorted tricks.

The move I truly fucking hate is when they move their hand towards the same part of their outfit you're tipping them in, anticipating its final location - garter, bra, g-string, whatever - and, the moment your tip is in place, they INSTANTLY grab the dollar and stuff it in their 'money hand.' WTF? Why dont I just send them the money through fucking paypal?

[Axe]

In my experience, this is the worst way to do things. The guys standing away fro the stage probably got no real show, plus they stood away fro the stage because they didn't want to stage tip. It's a terrible business model.

My experience is thats the norm at low-mileage joints, like the one M works in.

[justlooking]

Mine, too.

[MattMan89]

The bottom line is that the tip parade has HURT business for the strip clubs. Regardless of your view on tipping most guys will not frequent strip clubs b/c they feel that they have to constantly tip 7-8 dancers mutiple times during a set. If the clubs were serious about expanding their clientele then they would try to stop the harassment and provide a haven for guys to come and appreciate the girls and voluntarily tip and hang out. Its not fun to be out 100$ in 20 mins at some of these places.... I'm sorry to say this but the customer is king - make it a more enjoyable experience for the guys and the money will flow to the girls....

[justlooking]

If strip clubs were serious about expanding their clientele . . . I mean, shit, how would you even know where to start completing that sentence?

[justlooking]

But the problem is, once again, that clubs' clientelle is the strippers they get to pay to work there as much as the guys that come in. As long as this totally retarded business model is in place, clubs will continue to have only a diminished incentive to satisfy their (male) customers.

[lappy]

Why should we tip girls that we wouldn't even look at on the street? M can say anything she wants but if I go into a club and see monsters on stage I don't tip, it's that simple.

We all know girls dance for the money. Well, do some lunges and get your ass in shape, the dollars will follow.

Lastly fellas, if you don't know this by know. DAY girls really treat this as a day job. THEY ARE THERE TO TAKE YOuR MONEY. Their goal is to sit and take your cash, they don't even want to dance.

At least some of the NIGHT girls are dancing part time or are students or have an outside life. Trust me DAY girls are money pits. Go at night, single out 1 or 2 girls. Concentrate on them and the poon will follow.

[masquerade]

Let's just say that when I go to a bar with a band, it never occurs to me to tip them.

But the big difference is that the band is surely getting paid by the club for their gig - or at the very least they're getting some exposure that will lead to income at another time. We dancers are most certainly not getting paid by the club, in fact, as you've pointed out several times, we pay them for the opportunity to make money there. I don't think that's a very good analogy.

[masquerade]

Why should we tip girls that we wouldn't even look at on the street? M can say anything she wants but if I go into a club and see monsters on stage I don't tip, it's that simple.

We all know girls dance for the money. Well, do some lunges and get your ass in shape, the dollars will follow.

Lastly fellas, if you don't know this by know. DAY girls really treat this as a day job. THEY ARE THERE TO TAKE YOuR MONEY. Their goal is to sit and take your cash, they don't even want to dance.

At least some of the NIGHT girls are dancing part time or are students or have an outside life. Trust me DAY girls are money pits. Go at night, single out 1 or 2 girls. Concentrate on them and the poon will follow.

First of all, if you find a woman that repulsive, you do have the option of ignoring her show and not tipping. I'm not saying the you have to tip every girl who goes on stage, (although, it wouldn't kill you to fork over a dollar if she's really making an effort up there) you can just zone out and watch the big screen, fine. My complaint is simply that I know some guys have sat there enjoying my show and they then refuse or try to weasle out of giving me a tip. There is simply no excuse for this sort of behavior. I don't care about your geographic location in relation to the stage - if you were sitting there smilin' with your eyes on my goods for ten minutes straight, you damn well owe me a tip afterwards. I would sincerely hope that none of you have issue with that.

Secondly, your comments about day/night shift dancers and their relative greediness seems kind of silly, if you ask me. We're all out for your money, dude.

[masquerade]

But the big difference is that the band is surely getting paid by the club for their gig - or at the very least they're getting some exposure that will lead to income at another time. We dancers are most certainly not getting paid by the club, in fact, as you've pointed out several times, we pay them for the opportunity to make money there. I don't think that's a very good analogy.

and yes, I realize the natural reaction to this post will most likely be something along the lines of, "but stage performances are exposure for you that could lead to income at another time!" Sure, I don't deny that it gives us a chance to showcase ourselves in a way that could increase our lap dance sales. The thing is, we're still paying the club to work there, and most of those guys aren't going to buy lap dances from me... but they still watched my show. They paid the club to walk in the door, I paid the club to be there that night.... somebody better pay me!

[brykster]

Shoot2thrill & Brykster -- I don't want to get into a fight with you guys, but what you're saying strikes me as being the same as someone telling me, "You should be able to get all the money you want from your hourly fees; only loser lawyers need to make money out of photocopying charges."

Well, guess what? We ALL do it. I make about as much as I can from hourly billings, but this is my job and I STILL try to make more from photocopying charges and the like. I'm here to maximize my income. I'm sure you guys treat your jobs the same way.

Why is it rational for any of us to try to maximize our income from our work by exploiting all possible profit centers, but "greedy" for a sex worker to do so?

(Not that I think M has much of a chance with stage tips, as I explained above.)

no, no. i hear you. get every penny you can; but understand your behavior has psychological ramifications that can make you very unattractive...at least in my eyes. that is all i am saying. it is counterproductive for a dancer to back a guy into a corner and make him feel guilty that he didn't tip.

yes JL, you bill for photocopying...but you don't berate your customer at the same time, do you?

[brykster]

My point is that if you visit a club where stage tipping is the expected norm and you watched the girl on stage dance (whether or not you find her attractive is besides the point) you should give her a dollar when she comes around and politely asks if you enjoyed her show. To argue this is just telling me that you're a cheap bastard.

...and as JL pointed out, it is NOT the norm any more. strip clubs have become a service business. tipping a dancer you have no interest in having an LD with, is just plain throwing away your money.

yes, strippers are there to make a living; but you've chosen a risky business and you must deal with it. there are few other jobs where one has the potential to earn 200 bucks in 10 minutes time. the downside is, it ain't always going to go your way. look, if you want a dead on steady dependable income, become a secretary...or a lawyer.

[brykster]

How am I "greedy" in expecting people to treat me the same way I would treat them in a similar situation?

because greed can also be held in the perception of others. i see you actions as greedy...because I would not act the same way.

[brykster]

Let's just say that when I go to a bar with a band, it never occurs to me to tip them.

DAMN SKIPPY!!!!

[brykster]

The problem is when tips are the entirety of a workers' compensation.

Tipping at restaurants isn't really voluntarily. You HAVE to tip, or else you're depriving some worker of all pay.

So you can see why strippers view this issue so differently from us.

I think we think, who CARES about stage dancing. I'M not gonna tip for that. If I like you, I'll buy a dance.

But THEY think, I'm WORKING. I should be getting PAID.

PS -- I think your point about the amount of pressure (and feeling like you're being assaulted) is exactly right, nonetheless. (And all M was asking, of course, was how to solicit these tips without seeming like she's assaulting anyone. But maybe you P-Town guys are so embittered you can't respond to that.)

yes, she is obviously not seeing the dollar as a tip; but more as payment for rendered service.

Axe, excellent point. it's highly uncomfortable.

last time i was at Marcet, i approached the ONLY dancer who did not harrass me for a dance...and you know what? she was far from the most attractive dancer when i walked in the room; but her behavior made her legitimately more attractive to me.

M, you can kick, scratch and fight as much as you like, the fact is you are making men uncomfortable and as such, they will be less likely to take it to the point of services.

[justlooking]

But the big difference is that the band is surely getting paid by the club for their gig - or at the very least they're getting some exposure that will lead to income at another time. We dancers are most certainly not getting paid by the club, in fact, as you've pointed out several times, we pay them for the opportunity to make money there. I don't think that's a very good analogy.

But why should I care about that? In a sense, that's the strippers' problem, not the customers'. If strippers agree to work under a completely retarded system, why should I feel that, in addition to paying a cover to get in, I have to tip the entertainers for an indirect, impersonal "service"?

[justlooking]

Axe, excellent point. it's highly uncomfortable.

But note Axe's underlying point, which is that M's club is probably so different from the P-town clubs that the discomfort level is incomparable. Axe is saying that M is probably NOT making guys anywhere near as uncomfortable as what you've experienced. So that, as Axe says, you can't use your P-town experience to judge M's situation and conduct.

[justlooking]

yes JL, you bill for photocopying...but you don't berate your customer at the same time, do you?

I do if they don't pay. (Actually, I do sometimes anyway. You don't?)

That's what's so unfair about you guys. A stripper says anything negative about customers, even when it may be warranted, and you guys go apeshit.

Can't you see that we're all talking as friends here?

[justlooking]

My complaint is simply that I know some guys have sat there enjoying my show and they then refuse or try to weasle out of giving me a tip. There is simply no excuse for this sort of behavior. I don't care about your geographic location in relation to the stage - if you were sitting there smilin' with your eyes on my goods for ten minutes straight, you damn well owe me a tip afterwards. I would sincerely hope that none of you have issue with that.

I think this is sort of the nub of it.

I actually agree with M here. If it's a club where tipping for stage shows is the norm (and where post-stage tip parades through the club are also the norm), I'd feel bad about not tipping a stripper I'd been watching intently.

I have a feeling that others here feel differently.

(I do think that the fury directed at someone who's just trying to get paid for working is a little bizarre in its overintensity.)

[lappy]

There is a very clear difference between the day shift and night shift at the clubs. Daytime customers are usually married/taken guys that can't go out at night, therefore they are trying very hard to get 'in the girl's pants.'

Day girls have fierce competition to be the 'top earner' of the day. Any guy that comes in during the day is there to get off and the day girls know it.

At night it's very different. Guys come in looking for a quick chat or dance, maybe a beer before heading to a real bar or dance club. All night girls are looking for cash but some are just happy to make their cash and get out of there. The 'top earner' competition is not a fierce. I realize both shifts have sluts and both shifts may have some class, but overall the day girls are worse.

Side note: M, you keep talking about 'your show' I really haven't seen a 'show' in years. Unfortunately for you (a performer) most clubs consist of a relentless dollar parade that turns off most guys.

[justlooking]

Having thought it over, I wanted to clarify my thoughts about this crucial issue of heavy world importance (even thought it'll involve repeating -- or, I hope, paraphrasing -- things I've said already).

Why is it that EVERYBODY tips for stage dances at clubs like the Pussycat or the old Billy's (including in post-stage "parades" through the club), but many guys resist tipping for stage "shows" at other clubs? I think it's because guys GO to clubs like Billy's and the Pussycat for the stage shows. That's ALL there is there. So of course they tip for it.

At the kind of club that now predominates, however, guys DON'T go for the stage shows. They go for lapdances and other direct private services. Since they're not going to club for the stage show, they don't feel constrained to tip for it. It's not what they're there for, and they don't feel like they have to "buy" it.

It's not necessarily because these guys are cheap, either. Because one difference between every club I know with private dances and every club I know with only stage shows is that the clubs with private dances all charge covers and the clubs with only stage shows all don't. What do you get for these covers? NOTHING. Unlike every other kind of club I know, strip club covers don't cover basic entertainment of any kind. Of course, customers at strip clubs may not feel like their cover charge should get them nothing. Customers may feel that having paid $20 to get in, they're entitled to a free stage show. Strippers may complain that the club doesn't pay them for the stage shows (so the customers should) -- but that isn't customers' problem. The customers pay to get into a club, they get soaked for stupidly inflated drink prices once they're in -- and they may justifiably feel like they should get SOMETHING in return. Like maybe a free stage show (since that isn't really what they want anyway).

(This is the flaw, BTW, in my analogy to restaurant waiters and waitresses above. Restaurants (meaning the normal kind, without any entertainment) don't charge covers. If such a restaurant did charge a cover to get in, I think most diners would view it as a service charge, and expect that they don't have to tip.)

So in the end, I think M's problem is that many guys don't feel like a stage show is anything they need to pay for. Even if they were watching it intently. And it isn't necessarily wrong for the guys to feel that. It isn't their fault if the pay structure at strip clubs isn't wholly fair to the strippers.

[Axe]

Right: its the stage show versus the lap dance atmosphere. But, in the lap dance atmosphere, there are still at least two types - high pressure and low pressure. I bet I could spend two hours in M's club and not spend more than $20 in tips, not counting drinks. In P-town? LMAO! NO WAY.

(I still think tipping is voluntary anyway)

[masquerade]

But why should I care about that? In a sense, that's the strippers' problem, not the customers'. If strippers agree to work under a completely retarded system, why should I feel that, in addition to paying a cover to get in, I have to tip the entertainers for an indirect, impersonal "service"?

Because that's what you're supposed to do! You should tip strippers for their stage sets if you sit there watching them and enjoying it. That's just common courtesy, isn't it? You guys are all throwing around this "why should I have to?" stuff. That's not my point. You don't have to leave a waitress a tip either, but you should - that's the appropriate thing to do; that's how they earn a living. You're all acting like stage tipping is a charity act or something, as if you couldn't have possibly received any pleasure from watching the girl on stage do her thing. Maybe you aren't into the stage when you walk into a strip club, fine - don't watch, don't tip.... but my argument is that a lot of guys do sit there watching, smiling, making comments to their friends, and then don't fucking tip me. And it's not right.

[masquerade]

I think this is sort of the nub of it.

I actually agree with M here. If it's a club where tipping for stage shows is the norm (and where post-stage tip parades through the club are also the norm), I'd feel bad about not tipping a stripper I'd been watching intently.

I have a feeling that others here feel differently.

(I do think that the fury directed at someone who's just trying to get paid for working is a little bizarre in its overintensity.)

Yes, this is exactly what I'm talking about. I am not saying that every random chick who walks up to you, even if she was just on stage, deserve a tip under any circumstances. I'm talking about the fact that more often then not, the guys who don't tip me are the ones who obviously got the most enjoyment out of stage show, and it really pisses me off.

[masquerade]

Having thought it over, I wanted to clarify my thoughts about this crucial issue of heavy world importance (even thought it'll involve repeating -- or, I hope, paraphrasing -- things I've said already).

Why is it that EVERYBODY tips for stage dances at clubs like the Pussycat or the old Billy's (including in post-stage "parades" through the club), but many guys resist tipping for stage "shows" at other clubs? I think it's because guys GO to clubs like Billy's and the Pussycat for the stage shows. That's ALL there is there. So of course they tip for it.

At the kind of club that now predominates, however, guys DON'T go for the stage shows. They go for lapdances and other direct private services. Since they're not going to club for the stage show, they don't feel constrained to tip for it. It's not what they're there for, and they don't feel like they have to "buy" it.

It's not necessarily because these guys are cheap, either. Because one difference between every club I know with private dances and every club I know with only stage shows is that the clubs with private dances all charge covers and the clubs with only stage shows all don't. What do you get for these covers? NOTHING. Unlike every other kind of club I know, strip club covers don't cover basic entertainment of any kind. Of course, customers at strip clubs may not feel like their cover charge should get them nothing. Customers may feel that having paid $20 to get in, they're entitled to a free stage show. Strippers may complain that the club doesn't pay them for the stage shows (so the customers should) -- but that isn't customers' problem. The customers pay to get into a club, they get soaked for stupidly inflated drink prices once they're in -- and they may justifiably feel like they should get SOMETHING in return. Like maybe a free stage show (since that isn't really what they want anyway).

(This is the flaw, BTW, in my analogy to restaurant waiters and waitresses above. Restaurants (meaning the normal kind, without any entertainment) don't charge covers. If such a restaurant did charge a cover to get in, I think most diners would view it as a service charge, and expect that they don't have to tip.)

So in the end, I think M's problem is that many guys don't feel like a stage show is anything they need to pay for. Even if they were watching it intently. And it isn't necessarily wrong for the guys to feel that. It isn't their fault if the pay structure at strip clubs isn't wholly fair to the strippers.

Oh, come on, though - everyone knows that strippers work solely on tips. You know what, we really shouldn't even be comparing this model to a restaurant or a live band's performance. It's a strip club, it sort of defies comparison to anything else. Yeah, it's a giant rip-off, blah blah blah... we already know that. But why should the dancers be penalized because the club owners are greedy bastards? As far as I'm concerned, tipping the girls for stage sets (and I'll repeat again, the stage shows you watch and enjoy) should be considered part of that admission charge. Since the club has set up this model where they don't give us any part of that admission charge, shouldn't we get something for providing you all with the atmosphere? Why shouldn't it be partly your responsibility?

[seeker6591]

you damn well owe me a tip afterwards.

you are kidding..

right masq ???

[justlooking]

Yeah, it's a giant rip-off, blah blah blah... we already know that. But why should the dancers be penalized because the club owners are greedy bastards?

Well, why should the customers be penalized?

[justlooking]

Since the club has set up this model where they don't give us any part of that admission charge, shouldn't we get something for providing you all with the atmosphere? Why shouldn't it be partly your responsibility?

Because you'll be hurt a lot more than I will if I decide to just stop going because it isn't worth it?

[justlooking]

(I'm assuming that "I" in this case am spending money on strippers for something while I'm in the club -- just not stage work.)

[Axe]

.... but my argument is that a lot of guys do sit there watching, smiling, making comments to their friends, and then don't fucking tip me. And it's not right.

Its an age-old complaint from strippers, and I'm not aware of any solution to it. What I used to tell my stripper gf was to forget it and stay focused on the regs.

[seeker6591]

most guys dont even go in for the current version of impersonal stage work.

prior to Giuliana time, it was the best way to immediately connect with a stripper knowing that it would lead to a whole lot of fun when the dancer got off stage.

these days you could tip the dancer onstage and she may not even have the thought to come over afterwards and even then if she does..what is she gonna do ..give you an overpriced low mileage air dance for 30 bucks. ??

its truly pathetic what current day strip clubs, post giuliani have become.

tips are always optional...if you like a dancer on stage and she took a moment to personalize it..and you enjoyed the tease..great give her a tip.

girls that just dance imnpersonally on stage and then expect every guy sitting their to tip them??

thats another story..........forgeddddaboutttittt.

it reminds me of all these gross russian dancers in the NY area with this exact attitude.

its not only digusting.....i rarely go in anymore...except for some of the more "traditional" places in Jersey.

[Axe]

Because you'll be hurt a lot more than I will if I decide to just stop going because it isn't worth it?

Here we have, in one sentence, the reason why there are both fewer clubs worth going to than there were even 5 years ago and fewer custs going to the clubs that remain.

[justlooking]

Oh, come on, though - everyone knows that strippers work solely on tips. You know what, we really shouldn't even be comparing this model to a restaurant or a live band's performance. It's a strip club, it sort of defies comparison to anything else. Yeah, it's a giant rip-off, blah blah blah... we already know that. But why should the dancers be penalized because the club owners are greedy bastards? As far as I'm concerned, tipping the girls for stage sets (and I'll repeat again, the stage shows you watch and enjoy) should be considered part of that admission charge. Since the club has set up this model where they don't give us any part of that admission charge, shouldn't we get something for providing you all with the atmosphere? Why shouldn't it be partly your responsibility?

The problem is that this is very much like that old abandoned argument that "everybody knows" that strip clubs don't guaranty sex, so no customers should have any expectation of getting sex from strippers they've spent a lot of money on (and strippers should feel free to take lots of money from customers without feeling they've obligated themselves to do anything in return).

The customers decide what they "know" and "don't know". If customers don't think it's worth it to tip for stage shows on top of their cover charges, there's nothing you can do to change that. Whether you like it or not, or think it's "fair" or not, isn't going to change any customer's decision as to what's worth paying for and what isn't. You may not like it, but it's an inevitable result of the structure you operate in.

I think $20 lapdance fees are much too high. I have two choices: suck it up and pay them anyway, or stop going to strip clubs. (OK, three choices: I can also do what I've done, which is buy far fewer lap dances.) But what I CAN'T do is think that because I wish it were different, lap dance prices are going to go back down to a price I think is reasonable.

[justlooking]

tips are always optional...if you like a dancer on stage and she took a moment to personalize it..and you enjoyed the tease..great give her a tip.

girls that just dance imnpersonally on stage and then expect every guy sitting their to tip them??

thats another story..........forgeddddaboutttittt.

The problem is, seeker, that I can guarantee you that M falls into the first of your two categories. She's complaining that she does EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAY SHOULD ENTITLE HER TO A TIP, but that lots of guys don't tip her anyway.

That's the problem I keep having with the hostility evidenced in this thread.

[justlooking]

You know what, we really shouldn't even be comparing this model to a restaurant . . . . It's a strip club, it sort of defies comparison to anything else.

Except for one thing.

What I'm saying is that, if a restaurant adopted the strip club model, tips to the waitstaff would go way down. Customers wouldn't tolerate being double-charged -- irrespective of whether management was stiffing the wait staff.

What is so special about strip clubs that you think customers will feel any differently? How does it defy comparison from the customer's point of view?

[seeker6591]

any dancer working in a club who EXPECTS most if not all customers to tip her is living in a fantasy.

its never worked that way...and never will.

tips are optional and lap dance fees are not.

lastly, its even more unerealistic to assume that just because you did your job, everyone sitting by the bar likes what they saw, was entertained, and is required to tip.

i think we calll it personal preference...some dancers do it for one guy but perhaps not for another.

oh yeah , one more thing, this current "attitude" that pervades stripclubs blows. in the "old" days girls on stage use to work for their tips. these days, the newbies (post giuliana time) think that if they smile and flash the beav or tits at you with little or no work, ....you owe them money. therein lies the problem.

poor work habits and the redefinition of a strippers role from provider to entertainer have set the stage for the tip parade and cusomers aversion to it.

[justlooking]

Let's say your local movie theater stopped paying the guys who clean up between shows. Let's say that instead, they announced, after the movie, "From now on, we're no longer paying the guys who clean up between shows. They're working solely for your tips. We can't force you to do anything, but we think it would be nice if you gave them something, because otherwise they'd be working for nothing."

And let's say that, at the same time they did that, they RAISED the admission by a couple of dollars.

Would you start tipping the guys who clean up? Or would you just stop going?

[justlooking]

lastly, its even more unerealistic to assume that just because you did your job, everyone sitting by the bar likes what they saw, was entertained, and is required to tip.

i think we calll it personal preference...some dancers do it for one guy but perhaps not for another.

Again, though, to be fair to M, she's talking mainly about guys who made their enjoyment of her "show" evident.

I agree with you, though, that it's unrealistic to EXPECT them to do anything.

[masquerade]

The problem is, seeker, that I can guarantee you that M falls into the first of your two categories. She's complaining that she does EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAY SHOULD ENTITLE HER TO A TIP, but that lots of guys don't tip her anyway.

That's the problem I keep having with the hostility evidenced in this thread.

Yeah, guys. For the last time..... THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. I do take the time to personalize my stage shows. I try to focus on every guy who's watching me as much as I possibly can, and I really try hard to make my show both entertaining and sexy. Given my personal attitude towards this, I don't understand how any of you can keep insisting that you shouldn't be expected to tip me for a job well done. I'm just talking about doing the right thing, here.

[masquerade]

Let's say your local movie theater stopped paying the guys who clean up between shows. Let's say that instead, they announced, after the movie, "From now on, we're no longer paying the guys who clean up between shows. They're working solely for your tips. We can't force you to do anything, but we think it would be nice if you gave them something, because otherwise they'd be working for nothing."

And let's say that, at the same time they did that, they RAISED the admission by a couple of dollars.

Would you start tipping the guys who clean up? Or would you just stop going?

It's a little different. While I no doubt would enjoy a clean theater, the service they provide me with is a lot less personal and entertaining than the one provided by a stripper.

[justlooking]

Not the stage show.

[seeker6591]

EVERYONE IN A STRIPCLUB DOES NOT OWE YOU A TIP WHEN YOU GO ON STAGE.

That is a poor work ethic and a questionable attitude.

did it ever occur to to you that you that your jiggle may appeal to some guys and at the same time may not be so appealing to others.??

or perhaps the guys sitting at the bar prefer other dancers and are just being polite?

[justlooking]

Seeker, again, to be clear, M is talking about GUYS WHO MAKE IT EVIDENT THAT THEY LIKE HER STAGE SHOW. (You think they stare at her from across the room, and nudge their friends, to be "polite"?)

I think there are things to attack in what M is saying. But it's just wrong to attack her for things she pretty clearly ISN'T saying.

[Axe]

What M is complaining about is an unsolvable problem given the way stripclubs are presently setup. I dont know what more to say.

[justlooking]

I think there are things to attack in what M is saying. But it's just wrong to attack her for things she pretty clearly ISN'T saying.

First "attack" should have been "dispute".

[justlooking]

What M is complaining about is an unsolvable problem given the way stripclubs are presently setup. I dont know what more to say.

Including everything I've said, this is the only intelligent comment to make about this issue.

[seeker6591]

wrong again just looking

i wont even bother to comment on what you said or reexplain what i said.

MY COMMENTS STAND!

[seeker6591]

Verbatim

[Axe]

Actually, she did say this, JL:

My point is that if you visit a club where stage tipping is the expected norm and you watched the girl on stage dance (whether or not you find her attractive is besides the point) you should give her a dollar when she comes around and politely asks if you enjoyed her show. To argue this is just telling me that you're a cheap bastard.


If she still thinks this, let me ask her a question:

You've just finished your stage show, and every cust you stop by for a tip gives you $1, except three who dont give you anything and two who give you $2.

Ok, here's the question:

If you can accept the fact that some people think your stage show is worth $2, (twice what most others think its worth) why cant you accept the fact that some people think its worth ZERO?

[seeker6591]

nice post axe...

[justlooking]

I agree.

[justlooking]

What's so good about Axe's post is that it shows that even a guy who evidently ENJOYED the stage show could still feel it's worth nothing (or at least nothing more than he's already paid).

[Ellsworth]

Tipping customs vary. In New Jersey clubs like Lookers, Breathless and Shooters there's no cover charge; the dancers are permitted to take tips only while on stage; private dances are optional for the dancer; and dancers keep the entire private dance fee. Dancers and barmaids sometimes get money "showers" on stage.

[Shoot2Thrill]

Throw in artificial selection to the situation. There are some dancers that I enjoy so much, I tip whenever I see them, even if it just is eye contact. Basically, I want them to be working all the time. Then other dancers, I deem undesirable for any number of reasons, I will do my best to avoid paying. Maybe I can’t make the bookings but I can do my part to trim the flock to my liking. My version of the Japanese Samurai Crab.

[Slinky Bender]

First of all, if you find a woman that repulsive, you do have the option of ignoring her show and not tipping. .

And when a guy does this, any dancer will claim that either he wasn't doing that, or it doesn't matter and he should tip anyway.

[Slinky Bender]

yes JL, you bill for photocopying...but you don't berate your customer at the same time, do you?

If they don't pay for the photocopying?

[Slinky Bender]

...and as JL pointed out, it is NOT the norm any more. strip clubs have become a service business. tipping a dancer you have no interest in having an LD with, is just plain throwing away your money.

yes, strippers are there to make a living; but you've chosen a risky business and you must deal with it. there are few other jobs where one has the potential to earn 200 bucks in 10 minutes time. the downside is, it ain't always going to go your way. look, if you want a dead on steady dependable income, become a secretary...or a lawyer.

How about in a place that doesn't have ANY LD's?

[Slinky Bender]

I do if they don't pay. (Actually, I do sometimes anyway. You don't?)

That's what's so unfair about you guys. A stripper says anything negative about customers, even when it may be warranted, and you guys go apeshit.

Can't you see that we're all talking as friends here?

Ooops... should have read this first........




But I agree that many of the the males here seem to think that it's much more ok for them to say all sorts of nasty shit about strippers, but if a stripper says anything romotley reslembling what they do, they get their noses all bent out of shape.

[Slinky Bender]

Oh, come on, though - everyone knows that strippers work solely on tips.

Don't bet on it.

Everyone also "knows" from Chris Rock that there's no action in the Champagne Room, don't they?

[justlooking]

You probably should have read on before you said that one, too.

(Although you put it better.)

[Slinky Bender]

It's a strip club, it sort of defies comparison to anything else.


Oh, no, she fell off the wagon; after years of sobriety.

[Slinky Bender]

(I'm assuming that "I" in this case am spending money on strippers for something while I'm in the club -- just not stage work.)

Let's see if this works:

Laps dances should be used, to some extent, as a loss leader for VIP's in clubs which have VIP.

Stage dancing should be used as a loss leader for lap dances for clubs which have lap dances but no VIP.

For clubs with no lap dances or VIP, the only way to make a buck is stage tipping, and therefore it's necessary.

[justlooking]

Works for me.

[Slinky Bender]

Its an age-old complaint from strippers, and I'm not aware of any solution to it. What I used to tell my stripper gf was to forget it and stay focused on the regs.


You mean like waiters who complain about people who come in and only order a main course? So they end up spending much less and therefore tipping much less? Hmmmmmmmmmmm..... maybe stripclubs aren't the only place which has "cheap" customers who won't get with the program and spoend as much as everyone who works at the place wishes they would.

[Slinky Bender]

Again, though, to be fair to M, she's talking mainly about guys who made their enjoyment of her "show" evident.

She may be saying that, but I don't really believe it; not that I think M is usually insincere, but in this case I think the "evident" means the guy wasn't hiding under the table the entire time she was on stage (and even then, most dancers would say "he was only hiding under the table so he wouldn't have to tip me, so he should anyway").

[Axe]

You mean like waiters who complain about people who come in and only order a main course? So they end up spending much less and therefore tipping much less? Hmmmmmmmmmmm..... maybe stripclubs aren't the only place which has "cheap" customers who won't get with the program and spoend as much as everyone who works at the place wishes they would.

I think thats right.

A smart waiter will focus on customers (s)he knows come in to order the works AND are good tippers.

[iliketang]

Yeah, guys. For the last time..... THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. I do take the time to personalize my stage shows. I try to focus on every guy who's watching me as much as I possibly can, and I really try hard to make my show both entertaining and sexy. Given my personal attitude towards this, I don't understand how any of you can keep insisting that you shouldn't be expected to tip me for a job well done. I'm just talking about doing the right thing, here.

Ok, I know I'm going to hear from a lot of you about this, but masq, I agree with you. The dollar parade to me is when I walk in to a place (literally) don't even get my behond in a chair and immediately 2, 3, 4 + dancers come up to up and say give me dollar, especially when they damn well know you just walked in. I absolutely don't mind given a couple of bucks to the dancers. I went to the club, I expect to shell out some singles.

A place like High Beams (even though this is the Temptations thread) a dancer will get on the bar and dance in front of you. Most of them are not happy with 1 or 2 dollars but will stay there until you give them 5, 10 and more.

The absolutely 2 worst things a dancer can possibly do is 1) as I mentioned earlier immediately ask for money the second I walk in the door 2) the first words out of there mouth is "give me dollar" or "buy me drink".

I respect what dancers do. Most of them say "Hi, how are you?" first. I know they couldn't care about me (maybe a few do), but it's all about attitude and presence. If you sound like you are professional, I will treat you as such. Even if you are working in the biggest dive in the state.

[masquerade]

If she still thinks this, let me ask her a question:

You've just finished your stage show, and every cust you stop by for a tip gives you $1, except three who dont give you anything and two who give you $2.

Ok, here's the question:

If you can accept the fact that some people think your stage show is worth $2, (twice what most others think its worth) why cant you accept the fact that some people think its worth ZERO?

Those customers who feel my stage show is worth "zero" shouldn't sit there attentively watching every second of my show. If what I'm doing up there is so worthless to them, then why can't they take their eyes off me the entire time? Furthermore, while I think it's great that some guys enjoyed my show so much that they tipped me more than a buck, how does that have anything to do with the other guys who enjoyed my show and gave me nothing? It doesn't negate that they're being cheap jerks.

[Slinky Bender]

How much extra did it cost you* to perform for the guys who didn't tip who watched than if they hadn't watched?



* time, effort, money... anything.

[seeker6591]

Those customers who feel my stage show is worth "zero" shouldn't sit there attentively watching every second of my show. .

they paid the cover and purchased drinks.

it is their priveledge to sit by the bar, drink and watch the show..that is what the cover is for.

whether they tip you or not is at their discretion...not yours.

it is this exact attitude in the ny area, mostly russians, that has in part, ruined the ny stripclub scene

[masquerade]

Ok, I know I'm going to hear from a lot of you about this, but masq, I agree with you. The dollar parade to me is when I walk in to a place (literally) don't even get my behond in a chair and immediately 2, 3, 4 + dancers come up to up and say give me dollar, especially when they damn well know you just walked in. I absolutely don't mind given a couple of bucks to the dancers. I went to the club, I expect to shell out some singles.

A place like High Beams (even though this is the Temptations thread) a dancer will get on the bar and dance in front of you. Most of them are not happy with 1 or 2 dollars but will stay there until you give them 5, 10 and more.

The absolutely 2 worst things a dancer can possibly do is 1) as I mentioned earlier immediately ask for money the second I walk in the door 2) the first words out of there mouth is "give me dollar" or "buy me drink".

I respect what dancers do. Most of them say "Hi, how are you?" first. I know they couldn't care about me (maybe a few do), but it's all about attitude and presence. If you sound like you are professional, I will treat you as such. Even if you are working in the biggest dive in the state.


Yeah, of course. What I think a lot of guys involved in this discussion are failing to recognize is that I find that sort of behavior just as deplorable as you all do. I would never walk up to a guy who had just sat down and didn't even have a drink in front of him and ask him for anything - I wouldn't even try to sell him on a dance until he'd settled in a bit; to accost someone in such a manner is terrible business practice and is very annoying. I fully realize that you're all there to relax and have a good time, and my job is to facilitate that - but my point is, I'm not doing it for free; I'm at work. I'm always very polite to customers, I never harass them for money or demand a tip, but if they watched my stage show and it's clearly evident that they enjoyed what they saw (paid close attention, made lots of eye contact with me, commented to their friends, smiled at me, etc....) then why do you all perceive my expectation of a tip to be so irrational?

[masquerade]

they paid the cover and purchased drinks.

it is their priveledge to sit by the bar, drink and watch the show..that is what the cover is for.

whether they tip you or not is at their discretion...not yours.

it is this exact attitude in the ny area, mostly russians, that has in part, ruined the ny stripclub scene

How do you not feel like a total asshole when an attractive stage performer whose show you just watched comes around to collect tips and sweetly asks you if you enjoyed her show and you just blow her off? Like, forget what you feel you're obligated to do for a second and just answer that question.

[seeker6591]

if you show this frustration at work.

many saavy guys will pick up on this and avoid tipping as well.

i think axe gave you the best advice..focus on those customers that are tipping and dont worry about the "cheap basterds"

[masquerade]

She may be saying that, but I don't really believe it; not that I think M is usually insincere, but in this case I think the "evident" means the guy wasn't hiding under the table the entire time she was on stage (and even then, most dancers would say "he was only hiding under the table so he wouldn't have to tip me, so he should anyway").

I'm talking about myself and other dancers in the same situation, not the grifting crack-head types with no shame or sense of what's appropriate.

[seeker6591]

read post number 217..its a lock!

[masquerade]

if you show this frustration at work.

many saavy guys will pick up on this and avoid tipping as well.

i think axe gave you the best advice..focus on those customers that are tipping and dont worry about the "cheap basterds"

Well, that's what I do do, but as a business person, I'm always looking for ways to increase my income and be more efficient on the job. The "cheap bastards" tend to waste a lot of my valuable time that could be dedicated towards my real customers, because they don't always reveal themselves as "cheap bastards" right away. I make an effort when I'm on stage do dance for everyone a little bit - to spread my attention as equally as possible amongst everyone who's watching me - so obviously it's infuriorating when I go to collect my tips and realize that I probably could have made more money if I'd known to focus solely on the guys who were going to tip me. The "cheap bastards" are just obscuring the tippers and throwing me off the course to my goal. Like I've already said, I don't expect everyone in the club to tip me, but if you're watching my show then yes, I absolutely expect you to take care of me, and I don't think there's anything far-fetched about that expectation.

[masquerade]

read post number 217..its a lock!

No, it's actually not. It's your opinion, which is fine and most certainly appreciated in the context of a discussion. But this issue is not anywhere close to unanimously resolved because of your assertion that having paid a cover charge somehow justifies not taking care of the dancers.

[seeker6591]

Well, that's what I do do, but as a business person, I'm always looking for ways to increase my income and be more efficient on the job. The "cheap bastards" tend to waste a lot of my valuable time that could be dedicated towards my real customers, because they don't always reveal themselves as "cheap bastards" right away. I make an effort when I'm on stage do dance for everyone a little bit - to spread my attention as equally as possible amongst everyone who's watching me - so obviously it's infuriorating when I go to collect my tips and realize that I probably could have made more money if I'd known to focus solely on the guys who were going to tip me. The "cheap bastards" are just obscuring the tippers and throwing me off the course to my goal. Like I've already said, I don't expect everyone in the club to tip me, but if you're watching my show then yes, I absolutely expect you to take care of me, and I don't think there's anything far-fetched about that expectation.

someone else had another geat..perhaps a profession with a steady income rather than a risky one where tips are inclusive.

[Axe]

How do you not feel like a total asshole when an attractive stage performer whose show you just watched comes around to collect tips and sweetly asks you if you enjoyed her show and you just blow her off? Like, forget what you feel you're obligated to do for a second and just answer that question.

Seeker has already answered this question: What if your looks and/or your stage show didnt do anything for him. Forget about how he behaved while you were on stage, you cant get inside his head and know what he's thinking. If you're not his type, you think he wants to tell you that? Hey, maybe a few will tell you that!

When I go to a club I see tons of women who are beautiful, by any objective standard. BUT I still have my favorites. What if he's there to see and spend time with someone other than you, but he has to sit through your stage show while he's waiting for her?


And, what if it's just because he's a cheap bastard? What can you do about it?

Answer: Nothing.

You cant make customers tip. You might shame a few into it but over the long run the extra money you'll make wont amount to much.


I've been biting my tongue about my point that tipping is voluntary. I really think it is. Tipping is a gift, freely given to someone who performs a service of value to the tipper. Well, the tipper is the one who determines the value of the service, NOT the potential recipient. If a service is provided with no perceived value on the part of the potential tipper, they are NOT obligated to tip.

You're saying tipping is mandatory. How can something that is voluntary be mandatory?

[seeker6591]

No, it's actually not. It's your opinion, which is fine and most certainly appreciated in the context of a discussion. But this issue is not anywhere close to unanimously resolved because of your assertion that having paid a cover charge somehow justifies not taking care of the dancers.

i dont have this problem at all...and have always tipped any dancer that has earned her pay.

i also dont encounter this at all anymore,,,,because in the rare instance when I hit a stripclub, its usually a traditional sc where the mileage is high and the ladies earn their pay,. like in NJ.

perhaps once a year, i will hit an eye candy place where mileage is virtually non-existent, and tip the dancers that I so choose.

as I said, when i pay a cover charge, that is collected by the club for the purpose of covering the entertainment. whether or not the club owner pays the strippers is between you guys, not the customers.

but again, best advice here,,,focus on the winners...avoid the losers !!!

[masquerade]

Seeker has already answered this question: What if your looks and/or your stage show didnt do anything for him. Forget about how he behaved while you were on stage, you cant get inside his head and know what he's thinking. If you're not his type, you think he wants to tell you that? Hey, maybe a few will tell you that!

When I go to a club I see tons of women who are beautiful, by any objective standard. BUT I still have my favorites. What if he's there to see and spend time with someone other than you, but he has to sit through your stage show while he's waiting for her?


And, what if it's just because he's a cheap bastard? What can you do about it?

Answer: Nothing.

You cant make customers tip. You might shame a few into it but over the long run the extra money you'll make wont amount to much.


I've been biting my tongue about my point that tipping is voluntary. I really think it is. Tipping is a gift, freely given to someone who performs a service of value to the tipper. Well, the tipper is the one who determines the value of the service, NOT the potential recipient. If a service is provided with no perceived value on the part of the potential tipper, they are NOT obligated to tip.

You're saying tipping is mandatory. How can something that is voluntary be mandatory?

I agree with you, tipping is voluntary - but my point is that the voluntary part is that they don't have to watch my show, they have the option of not paying attention. In which case, I won't even approach them for a tip. How exactly am I being unfair or unrealistic? If they have obviously enjoyed my show (which is what I'm talking about here) then they did indeed receive something of value. No, it isn't mandatory that they tip me, but they really should tip me if that's the case. I feel nobody's understanding the kind of cheapness I'm really talking about here. It's just not right.

[seeker6591]

And, what if it's just because he's a cheap bastard?



listen axeee old buddy...

i may be in fact be a BASTARD...but i ain't cheap !!!!


LOLOL.

[Axe]

I feel nobody's understanding the kind of cheapness I'm really talking about here. It's just not right.

LOL

This whole conversation is an almost word-for-word repeat of one I had with my ex gf several times. I'm aware of what you're talking about - I've seen it first-hand for years. As I said, its not a solvable problem.

True, its not right.

Yes, they are cheap bastards. (some of them)

But its still their money.

[Axe]

listen axeee old buddy...

i may be in fact be a BASTARD...but i ain't cheap !!!!


LOLOL.

Wasnt meant for you, seek LOL

[seeker6591]

they don't have to watch my show, .

if they paid the cover and bought a beer...they have every right to watch your show...tipping or otherwise !!!!!!!!1

[seeker6591]

Wasnt meant for you, seek LOL

well its true! LOL

[masquerade]

as I said, when i pay a cover charge, that is collected by the club for the purpose of covering the entertainment. .

That's such a huge cop-out, because you know it's not true.

but again, best advice here,,,focus on the winners...avoid the losers !!!

As I mentioned earlier, that is my strategy. The problem is that the cheap bastards make this focusing process a lot harder for me. I wish everyone who wasn't interested in me would just act... well.... uninterested. That way my efforts could be targeted and my results much more satisfactory.

[HueG.rection]

Enough already, let's get Back On Topic....

Create a new thread to debate the rights and wrongs of the $$ parades.

[masquerade]

if they paid the cover and bought a beer...they have every right to watch your show...tipping or otherwise !!!!!!!!1

Sure, but they're assholes then. Obviously there isn't a real solution to my problem. At this point, it's just your type of attitude that I'm challenging.

[seeker6591]

listen masq

im gonna be your dutch uncle ...here AND GIVE SOME FREE ADVICE.

axe nailed this one ( and he is not the only one that has hada ltr with a stripper)

FOLLOW THE MONEY !

FOCUS ON THE GOOD CUSTOMERS AND AVOID THE CHEAP FUKS LIKE THE PLAGUE.

[seeker6591]

That's such a huge cop-out, because you know it's not true.



As I mentioned earlier, that is my strategy. The problem is that the cheap bastards make this focusing process a lot harder for me. I wish everyone who wasn't interested in me would just act... well.... uninterested. That way my efforts could be targeted and my results much more satisfactory.

LISTEN SOME GIRLS IN THE BIZ

have a nose or 6th sense for this.

they can smell money like a bear smells blood.

watch some of the snakes in your club...see what they do by observation.

and you will get the knack for this...in business we call it grading a prospect!!!


you know A, B or C.

[masquerade]

I'm starting to think you aren't reading my posts, seeker.

[Axe]

Sure, but they're assholes then. Obviously there isn't a real solution to my problem. At this point, it's just your type of attitude that I'm challenging.

This is like one of my friends who, when he gets turned down for a date or breaks up with a gf, wants to argue with her over WHY she's saying 'NO'.

Its a waste of time and effort. Move on.

[masquerade]

This is like one of my friends who, when he gets turned down for a date or breaks up with a gf, wants to argue with her over WHY she's saying 'NO'.

Its a waste of time and effort. Move on.

Why? what else would we all talk about then? lol

[brykster]

That's what's so unfair about you guys. A stripper says anything negative about customers, even when it may be warranted, and you guys go apeshit.


unwarranted...i thought you agree that stripping is not mandatory.

it is unfortunate that M is the only stripper voice being expressed. but the fact is, she is expressing an attitude most of us find annoying...the belief of a stripper that she is somehow entitled to our money. this is not a personal attack, it is me voicing my disagreement with a philosophy. i don't believe tipping should be expected. we are not paying a salary. you tip for exceptional service and dancing on a stage does not result in "excellent service."

[brykster]

I think this is sort of the nub of it.

I actually agree with M here. If it's a club where tipping for stage shows is the norm (and where post-stage tip parades through the club are also the norm), I'd feel bad about not tipping a stripper I'd been watching intently.

me too and since i do not want to tip, i hardly ever even glance in the direction of the stage. in fact, i actively avoid it and will not make eye contact with a dancer i do not want to have an LD with.

[Axe]

Why? what else would we all talk about then? lol

Um..how about how to pick up heterosexual women while cruising lesbian nightclubs? Ohhh, gavvvyyyyy...........

[seeker6591]

sounds like bottoms up to me Bryk!

LOL

[seeker6591]

Um..how about how to pick up heterosexual women while cruising lesbian nightclubs? Ohhh, gavvvyyyyy...........

that actually works

their are plenty of bi women at these places and straight ones too.

we use to do this gig at ray zor phish

[Axe]

me too and since i do not want to tip, i hardly ever even glance in the direction of the stage. in fact, i actively avoid it and will not make eye contact with a dancer i do not want to have an LD with.

And I'm sure the stripper you deliberately avoided making eye contact with correctly reads your negative body language and makes a special effort to NEVER ask you for a tip.

(Axe trys to hold back from laughing uncontrollably and fails)

[Axe]

that actually works

their are plenty of bi women at these places and straight ones too.

we use to do this gig at ray zor phish

Man, start a thread!

[masquerade]

me too and since i do not want to tip, i hardly ever even glance in the direction of the stage. in fact, i actively avoid it and will not make eye contact with a dancer i do not want to have an LD with.

I never argued that someone who acts the way you do should have to tip. Again, my gripe is with the guys who do watch my show and appear genuinely pleased with the performance and then refuse to tip. You don't find any fault with that? (I feel like everyone but JL and Axe are avoiding my central point, here)

[brykster]

Maybe you aren't into the stage when you walk into a strip club, fine - don't watch, don't tip.... but my argument is that a lot of guys do sit there watching, smiling, making comments to their friends, and then don't fucking tip me. And it's not right.

i agree with this. if you particpate and enjoy, you should tip...but that's not how this started off. you said you go around the outer perimeter of the bar and ask guys standing around to fork over cash. if they did not watch you, they should not pay.