High end not for me?

[Cloud Nine]

I recently had my first "high-end" prostitute. ($1000 for a visit) Although I had fully planned penning a review I have decided to at the very least hold on a bit because to say the least the least Im confused by the experience.

Are higher end girls so used to being pampered and wooed by older richer clients that sex becomes an afterthought and not the drive of the visit? I found myself thinking most of the night, "Okayyyy...so when do you STFU and we get to go back to the suite and fuck?" I cant say I was ripped off (akin to Phantoms 3K BJ) but I feel like my expectations werent met.

I guess I'll wait until I hear your opinions before I reveal more.

[justlooking]

YOU should be driving the session. If you feel there's any kind of time limit, then it's up to YOU to make sure you get back to the suite and start fucking. OTOH, if there wasn't a time limit, then taking your time is sort of part of the experience.

[Cloud Nine]

well technically I paid for 2 hours but it went closer to 4. The time issue wasnt the thing and I guess its partially my fault since Im not the most aggressive guy. I dunno I guess Im so used to rush jobs that it felt weird spending time with a prostitute that wasnt sexual. I almost felt lulled to sleep when it was go time. (and Im really not assuming that this lone experience is typical or atypical of the high end, its why Im posting, I want to know what is typical)

[justlooking]

If it's an agency, atypical. If it's an independent, completely typical.

[Cloud Nine]

Indy

The things that were "strange" for me:

1) Had to meet at a bar, spent close to an hour and a half making chit chat.
2) Felt like I had to jump through hoops to even get to see her
3) Never even looked for or asked for the money, just seemed to find it and took it as she left. (mind you this was nice)
4) Gradually took clothes off and got more "comfy" as we chatted at the suite. Never full out went into sex until the end.
5) Seemed irked that I didnt pay her compliments or go gaga all over her.

[justlooking]

(1) through (3) seem pretty typical ((2) being the big downside to "high end" independents).

(4) is a matter of individual style as much as anything else, but not atypical. Nevertheless, I'm curious what "the end" means. I usually get to spending as much time having "full-out sex" as I want, despite all the time spent on foreplay.

(5) may be all too typical.

[Cloud Nine]

One of the things the bothered me is when she said that 90% of her clients dont have sex with her. (I starting thinking to myself,"if this bitch runs out on me without sex....") I looked at her with the straightest face and replied, "either youre lying or there are some really dumb rich people in Phoenix."

[justlooking]

That would scare the shit out of me.

[Cloud Nine]

Number 4 was after having some good sex to completion (including anal) she glanced at her watch and then scurried because she was running late. (supposedly not for another client as she claims to see only one guy a night)

[justlooking]

But of course the real point is how much you enjoyed all of this.

Hanging out at the bar for an hour and a half is great if you enjoy hanging out with her, terrible if you don't.

And did you like the making out/foreplay/and then sex? If you did, then it's great. If you didn't, then obviously it wasn't worth it to you.

[justlooking]

Number 4 was after having some good sex to completion (including anal) she glanced at her watch and then scurried because she was running late. (supposedly not for another client as she claims to see only one guy a night)

Well that sucks. To me, that would blow the whole evening.

[Cloud Nine]

I guess I was disappointed because most of the night was spent like a first date and not having hot monkey sex all night long. (again, Im going to take some of the blame as I am big wuss)

[Cloud Nine]

I guess most guys hate paying 1000 for pussy because if they make a mistake it hurts the wallet more....

[justlooking]

I keep saying that guys think the "high end" is about having hours of hot monkey sex, but my experience is that the default assumption is something more along the lines of what you experienced.* (Although I'll repeat that to me rushing out at the end is intolerable.)

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* Obviously, for that kind of money you should get what you want. What I'm trying to say is that what you should expect without going out of your way to find something different is what you experienced, so if you don't want that you have to actively seek to avoid it.

[Cloud Nine]

But of course the real point is how much you enjoyed all of this.

Hanging out at the bar for an hour and a half is great if you enjoy hanging out with her, terrible if you don't.

And did you like the making out/foreplay/and then sex? If you did, then it's great. If you didn't, then obviously it wasn't worth it to you.


I dont want to seem cold, but when I pick out a prostitute its because she looks sexy to me, ad copy hardly tells you what a person is like in regards to personality so its never been a priority. Sure the conversation was nice and all but thats not what I want from a prostitute.

[justlooking]

E.g., http://www.utopiaguide.com/forums/showthread.php?p=69508&highlight=apple#post69508

[justlooking]

I dont want to seem cold, but when I pick out a prostitute its because she looks sexy to me, ad copy hardly tells you what a person is like in regards to personality so its never been a priority. Sure the conversation was nice and all but thats not what I want from a prostitute.

I'm not telling you what to want. I'm telling you what this particular market niche tends to provide.

[Cloud Nine]

I'm not telling you what to want. I'm telling you what this particular market niche tends to provide.

Thank you thats exactly what I wanted to know.

[justlooking]

N.B.: That's "tends". You should be able to get what you want. I'm just saying what the default expectation should be.

[Cloud Nine]

I feel like Farmer Brown who sold his prize pig and decided to dive his tractor into the city and have an expensive meal and gets disappointed because the 300 dollar bottle of wine tastes "oaky".

[justlooking]

Nah. You want what you want.

[Cloud Nine]

Can I bring you along next time to hold my hand?

[Cloud Nine]

BTW- This is what happens when youre so used to squirrelling away money and you dont see any prostitutes for over a year. (AND you keep winning money at poker when you can tell the wife that you won less.)



PS- Im amazed DC hasnt chimed in since I mentioned the "a" word a few posts ago.

[justlooking]

Can I bring you along next time to hold my hand?

I charge a lot more than $1000 for four hours.

[Cloud Nine]

I charge a lot more than $1000 for four hours.


I also wonder how long 4 hours is to you.

[curious]

http://www.utopiaguide.com/forums/showthread.php?p=468031&highlight=%22biggest+breasts%22#post468031

[justlooking]

But C9 isn't complaining that he got ripped off (although her scurrying out in a hurry at the end is disappointing). I mean, he got nearly four hours for the price of two. He's complaining that the experience isn't what he would have wanted. (Unless I'm misunderstanding the purpose of your reference.)

[Cloud Nine]

Far from being ripped off, I had the best commercial blow job Ive ever had. (and it wasnt even to completion, I finished another way) She was, however, affronted that I did not relay how fabulous the BJ was to her and she had to ask.

[curious]

My point was that the photos sucked him in,

>>>when I pick out a prostitute its because she looks sexy to me,<<<

and that by extension, he would be spending the majority of the session getting hot and heavy with her.

That the time ran about twice as long as he'd planned on was (probably) largely irrelevant. If anything, I'm thinking he went into this with relatively high expectations (MSOG? among other things).

Her dashing off at the end is very nearly coitus interruptus ;) .

[curious]

C9: Maybe she's one of catelli's gals... :o

[justlooking]

Oh. I get it.

Obviously, I agree with you about buying off photos.

And of course I agree that dashing off is close to coitus interruptus, and that at that price C9 had a right to expect multiple shots.

I still do think, though, that if getting into bed without delay were so important to C9, he could have done more about it.

[curious]

Ditto.

[Cloud Nine]

This why I hate posting stuff like this, theres always going to be a guy like me who's laughing his ass off at what I did/did not do.



(and will I learn a lesson from this and be kinder to my fellow UGers? HA!)

[justlooking]

Nobody's laughing his ass off. This is an actual discussion.

[Cloud Nine]

Oh. I get it.

Obviously, I agree with you about buying off photos.

And of course I agree that dashing off is close to coitus interruptus, and that at that price C9 had a right to expect multiple shots.

I still do think, though, that if getting into bed without delay were so important to C9, he could have done more about it.

Okay, I bought off of photos, but how else do you choose a girl other than worthless reviews from TER in a city youve never been to before?

Multiple pops was expected, but I think I was so trained from jumping through hoops to get the appointment that I guess I was afraid to take lead once I was there- and yes I know its my own damn fault, I never said otherwise.

[Cloud Nine]

Nobody's laughing his ass off. This is an actual discussion.


Then why do I feel naked and everyone is looking at my penis with a ruler?

[Daddycool]

BTW- This is what happens when youre so used to squirrelling away money and you dont see any prostitutes for over a year. (AND you keep winning money at poker when you can tell the wife that you won less.)



PS- Im amazed DC hasnt chimed in since I mentioned the "a" word a few posts ago.

I would have but I wanted to read all the post in this thread first.

[curious]

Hey, I'm not blaming you for anything; population growth out there notwithstanding, I'd imagine the escort pickings are pretty slim.

[justlooking]

Okay, I bought off of photos, but how else do you choose a girl other than worthless reviews from TER in a city youve never been to before?

Maybe there's no way. But I think I partially disagree with you about the worthlessness of written text on websites and in ads. Sometimes, you can get a real feel for what the person is like from the text. There's also the way the prostitute presents herself in the photos (i.e., not how she looks, but how she's trying to come across). I personally find cooky-cutter "sexy" photos a turn-off, cuz I just assume they're fake and impersonal. To be sure, the number of prostitutes who use personalized prose and photos is small.

[Daddycool]

All i can really do is concur with Justlooking. This high-end niche is a tough one. The 4 hours from an independant is normal. If it was from an agency she would have been out the door at the 2 hour mark unless she knew you "repeat customer" or she had nothing else to do after. I've been with high end girls that don't have another client and ask me if they want to have a drink or go eat or go gamble (where ever I am). It doesn't lead back to my room most of the time, but occasionally.

[justlooking]

Not to take this off-topic, but that's why I pretty much switched entirely to "dating" strippers. That way, I already know the girl pretty well before we "go out", so I already know I'm going to enjoy spending a good deal of non-sexual time with her. To me, it makes the sex seem better.

[Daddycool]

This why I hate posting stuff like this, theres always going to be a guy like me who's laughing his ass off at what I did/did not do.



(and will I learn a lesson from this and be kinder to my fellow UGers? HA!)

Trust me nobody who has been throught it is laughing at you. I once saw a girl for 1500 just for the hour and almost got no sex. But this brings up a point though about seeing a girl in another than your "home" city. She knows you are not going to see her again, so her performance doesn't matter to her. If you need to pull teeth to have sex with her, what does she care, she is not going to see you again. But if you did this with a girl in NYC where there is a chance she might have you as a repeat customer then your experience might have been different.

[justlooking]

That's true. The girl would never have run out on him if she was angling for repeat business.

[Daddycool]

Not to take this off-topic, but that's why I pretty much switched entirely to "dating" strippers. That way, I already know the girl pretty well before we "go out", so I already know I'm going to enjoy spending a good deal of non-sexual time with her. To me, it makes the sex seem better.


The biggest ditto. I am doing the same now.

[Daddycool]

BTW- This is what happens when youre so used to squirrelling away money and you dont see any prostitutes for over a year. (AND you keep winning money at poker when you can tell the wife that you won less.)



PS- Im amazed DC hasnt chimed in since I mentioned the "a" word a few posts ago.


I'm not all about the anal, like it seems.

[justlooking]

I remember my first "date" with a high-end NYC independent several years ago. We spent something like seven hours together (not all in bed, obviously). But once we got into bed, everything was on the table.

As I was leaving, she said, "Well, you certainly got the red carpet treatment here tonight."

[curious]

I should have put this in my previous post, but I'll say it here: you tried something outside your usual experience, and because it was new, you were unsure of how to act- so you let things take their own course. If you take that route again, you'll probably be more assertive, and have a better time.

[justlooking]

I'm not all about the anal, like it seems.

Mostly?

[Daddycool]

Not to take this off-topic, but that's why I pretty much switched entirely to "dating" strippers. That way, I already know the girl pretty well before we "go out", so I already know I'm going to enjoy spending a good deal of non-sexual time with her. To me, it makes the sex seem better.

I cannot agree more with this. It just seems that when you go this route, you know what the expectations are going to be and what you should not expect, because of the conversations you have had before. and the sex is better because its expected, but on its own time. Plus usually, your date is a long time( around 4-5 hours).

[justlooking]

Trust me nobody who has been throught it is laughing at you. I once saw a girl for 1500 just for the hour and almost got no sex.

The famous Paulina used to be reported to do shit like that (not for $1500, though). Guys would see her and they'd get to talking at length and then, when an hour passed, she'd say "times up" even though they'd had no or hardly any sex. Reportedly (I never saw her). (And shockingly, these were local guys.)

[curious]

THUD
(picking self off floor)

7 hours ?!?!?

How many cultural events did you take in?

[justlooking]

I should have put this in my previous post, but I'll say it here: you tried something outside your usual experience, and because it was new, you were unsure of how to act- so you let things take their own course. If you take that route again, you'll probably be more assertive, and have a better time.

Yeah, right, absolutely. We ALL should have put that in our previous posts.

[justlooking]

THUD

7 hours ?!?!?

How many cultural events did you take in?

We were both pretty good talkers.

(Also, by the third round I required a lot of recharge time.)

[justlooking]

There's a stripper I "date" now who I regularly spend something like seven hours with. We meet for drinks and catching up. That's an hour or so. We go up to the room and mess around for a couple of hours. If the hotel has a good pool, we go for a swim. Then, we go out to a late dinner. Then, we have a few more hours of sex (and resting). The time goes by like nothing.

[curious]

Even more impressive; here I was thinking you were squireing her around town for a few of those hours.

[justlooking]

If you mean the stripper, well, the late dinner is at least two hours, and the intial drinks are an hour. So that's only four hours in or around bed. (One hour less if we also do an hour of swimming.)

If you mean that independent, I absolutely took her out to a long long meal that night. (That was her purported screening process, actually -- although I would not have wanted to be in her shoes if, after a dinner, she told some prospective customer that he couldn't come back to her apartment with her.)

[curious]

Yes, I type way too slowly.

[justlooking]

Now that I think about it, the independent and I also spent a good long time sitting around in her aprartment listening to records.

[curious]

You have the type of encounters that I'd try if I were closer to The City and had a better schedule.

[Daddycool]

THUD
(picking self off floor)

7 hours ?!?!?

How many cultural events did you take in?

Yes if you see strippers outside the club for play, you can see them for that long and it feels a lot more like a "real date" and not like seeing a provider. That is why it is so alluring to "date" them.

[Daddycool]

There's a stripper I "date" now who I regularly spend something like seven hours with. We meet for drinks and catching up. That's an hour or so. We go up to the room and mess around for a couple of hours. If the hotel has a good pool, we go for a swim. Then, we go out to a late dinner. Then, we have a few more hours of sex (and resting). The time goes by like nothing.

That sounds about right. You'd be amazed how fast the time flies, when no one is watching the clock.

[Caitlin of New York]

I've had lots of dates like this. Hours chatting, dining, hours in the bedroom. I much prefer this kind of date, so long as I enjoy his personality. I don't always have time for this sort of date, though.

[Caitlin of New York]

But this brings up a point though about seeing a girl in another than your "home" city. She knows you are not going to see her again, so her performance doesn't matter to her. If you need to pull teeth to have sex with her, what does she care, she is not going to see you again. But if you did this with a girl in NYC where there is a chance she might have you as a repeat customer then your experience might have been different.

This might have gone through her head, but she'd be a fool to think that way. Clients often have repeat business in another city, and return to the same escort. Many of my clients are from out of town, and I see many of them more than once.

[Caitlin of New York]

Hey, I'm not blaming you for anything; population growth out there notwithstanding, I'd imagine the escort pickings are pretty slim.

This is very true. Phoenix is the land of the rip-off. When I see NY guys bitching about crummy service and calling it a "rip-off" I just chuckle to myself. You ain't had a rip-off until you call a Phoenix "escort" agency.

Of the real escorts, there are few that are truly model types, and most of them are very expensive. Based on my knowledge of that market, having worked as a stripper, worked for crappy escort agencies, and then gone independent in Phoenix, I think you did very well, C9. And as you figured out, things could have gone differently and more to your liking had you been more assertive.

[Slinky Bender]

A funny flip side:

While strippers do their paid dates like "real dates", some women who are hourly sex workers treat their "real dates" like paid dates. I've spoken to a few other guys who have had this same experience: they are "going out" with a sex worker (i.e. dating, fuck buddies, whatever) and when it comes to sex, they seem to have this internal 1 hour clock which governs sex sessions.

[Slinky Bender]

people are spoiled in major cities on the East Coast. "Cash and dash" is almost unheard of. As far as I've heard Phoneix is still the nation's capital in that regard.

[Slinky Bender]

If you don't like caviar, you're going to be disappointed in your visit to Petrosian no matter how much other people like it.

[Slinky Bender]

Funny thing about "the high end": this girl didn't charge any more than most fast house girls.

[Slinky Bender]

One thing you pay for in $1,000 a visit girls is a girl who doesn't have sex 6 times a day. Then guys see them and want to have sex 6 times in a day.

[Slinky Bender]

If a girl thinks she's worth $1,000 , she often wants to hear you say she's worth it, too. Funny thing is, there aren't too many girls who are worth $1,000 who aren't actually worth more.

[Slinky Bender]

BTW- This is what happens when youre so used to squirrelling away money and you dont see any prostitutes for over a year. (AND you keep winning money at poker when you can tell the wife that you won less.)


This has nothing to do with prostitutes. Insert "Alaine Ducasse", "Château Margaux 1995" or "Arawak President".

[SubmissiveAngel]

If a girl thinks she's worth $1,000 , she often wants to hear you say she's worth it, too.i think your cash should speak for you.

but if you invest the $1000, and after the fact you think the service was not worth it... why don't you let her know? it seems like there is a general shyness (awkwardness?) among you gents to respond with critical feedback after a session - and this awkwardness seems (oddly enough) to increase proportionate to the fee paid. in other words, the more you pay, the less critique you say... it seems so backwards!

c9, when a session is remarkably good or bad, i think an honest review is a strong way to respond. alternatively, send the lady an ****** letting her know you had hoped for more bang for your buck. it may not affect her attitude or behavior, but you might feel a little less... used?

[goofy3]

THUD
(picking self off floor)

7 hours ?!?!?

How many cultural events did you take in?

Curious - put some padding on the floor before reading the rest of this -

My last two dates were for 7 days and 4 days. That represents the sum total of my hobbying for the year.

[yamaha]

well it sounds like a high end date. drinks, small talk,and relax time followed by good sex including all forms of sex. i think you ordered a high end girl and got what you payed for a bitch what did you think she is a typical women just worse she told you that most clients don't want to have sex with her after paying her 1 grand at that point i would have ripped that shit appart and told her i am not like most clients have a good day.i went on two but they were only 800 for two hours same thing they think all we are suppose to do is say you look great and you are wonderful then buy them dinner and drinks kiss them on the cheek and say good night. thats why regular escorts are better pay for 2 hours 600 and get what you really want they say good things about you like you have a big one you smell good your wife is lucky and kiss your ass for two hours because they understand it's a job and thats what they get paid to do.have fun be safe.

[Cloud Nine]

Funny thing about "the high end": this girl didn't charge any more than most fast house girls.

In hindsight I wished I just hired an agency or midlevel indy girl for 3 hours and paid a similar fee.

[Cloud Nine]

After further thought I think part of my lack of aggressiveness stemmed from the fact that this was truly a good-looking woman. Ive always been a "cute girl" kinda guy and have no problems chatting it up with that type of girl. But when it comes to a knockout I guess the old self-esteem loses some gas and I'm back in high school where I would never socialize with the cheerleaders.

[Cloud Nine]

If you don't like caviar, you're going to be disappointed in your visit to Petrosian no matter how much other people like it.


See the Farmer Brown comment


However its not like I didnt enjoy myself on many things, perhaps some of my expectations were too high since I was paying more than I usually do?

[Cloud Nine]

This is very true. Phoenix is the land of the rip-off. When I see NY guys bitching about crummy service and calling it a "rip-off" I just chuckle to myself. You ain't had a rip-off until you call a Phoenix "escort" agency.



Big part of the reason I went "up-scale" this time around (aside from having the dough). I noticed many agencies advertise 150-200/hr and even mention that tips are additional. Makes you wonder how much they are getting an hour after the 200.


(an aside- CL in phoenix is even crazier with the flame wars and bashing than NY or Philly CL)

[Cloud Nine]

well it sounds like a high end date. drinks, small talk,and relax time followed by good sex including all forms of sex. i think you ordered a high end girl and got what you payed for a bitch what did you think she is a typical women just worse she told you that most clients don't want to have sex with her after paying her 1 grand at that point i would have ripped that shit appart and told her i am not like most clients have a good day.i went on two but they were only 800 for two hours same thing they think all we are suppose to do is say you look great and you are wonderful then buy them dinner and drinks kiss them on the cheek and say good night. thats why regular escorts are better pay for 2 hours 600 and get what you really want they say good things about you like you have a big one you smell good your wife is lucky and kiss your ass for two hours because they understand it's a job and thats what they get paid to do.have fun be safe.

Although this may be correct in this case, I dont think you should be painting with such a broad brush in regards to all high end women. (but I really dont want to get into a "why pay more than X for pussy?" discussion.)

[Caitlin of New York]

In hindsight I wished I just hired an agency or midlevel indy girl for 3 hours and paid a similar fee.

No, you do not wish you hired an agency. With very few exceptions, Phoenix agencies are a TOTAL RIP-OFF.

Those $150 agencies? The girl get 0% of the fee. The phone girl gets a cut, the driver gets a cut, and the girls gets nothing. The girl hustles as much of a "tip" out of you as possible. If you are lucky, you'll actually get "service". Maybe she'll get undressed and give you a handjob. Or, more likely, she'll "dance" and tell you to jerk yourself off. This is if you are lucky. If you are unlucky, it's a total cash & dash operation. In this scenario, she has a microphone in her purse, and the driver listens in on the call. After she promises you the world, and has extracted as much money out of you as she possible can, she gives the driver (the big dude with the gun that took the fee at the begining of the "session") a code word, and he comes banging on the door, accuses you of soliciting (that's illegal, how dare you!) and gets her the hell out of there.

[yamaha]

i don't really care of the cost of the girls it's the service i care about and it seems to have the same old story i hear when people higher the high end women i hear it over and over again i am sure this is not for every high end girl there are some good ones out there but that goes for everthing there are good ones and bad ones i was just giving my opinion. i always say pay what you want for pussy i don't let anyone dictate what i will pay for it and i am sure you are old enough to decide what your going to pay. that was not my beef i really was trying to say she wanted to be like a date and it was but both parties went in thinking that is was going to be more than just a date i think thats what you had on your mine not sure what she was thinking.

[Caitlin of New York]

BTW, C9, is she British?

[Daddycool]

One thing you pay for in $1,000 a visit girls is a girl who doesn't have sex 6 times a day. Then guys see them and want to have sex 6 times in a day.

Big Ditto. They think like justlooking or C9 said, they expect to have monkey sex for six hours and that just isn't the case.

[Daddycool]

After further thought I think part of my lack of aggressiveness stemmed from the fact that this was truly a good-looking woman. Ive always been a "cute girl" kinda guy and have no problems chatting it up with that type of girl. But when it comes to a knockout I guess the old self-esteem loses some gas and I'm back in high school where I would never socialize with the cheerleaders.

Start going to stripclubs with Justlooking and myself and we can change that. My first time with a high end girl was the same way, "i cannot believe this model is sitting here with me" was all that was going through my head, but I just relaxed and enjoyed my time with her and had great sex.

[Daddycool]

See the Farmer Brown comment


However its not like I didnt enjoy myself on many things, perhaps some of my expectations were too high since I was paying more than I usually do?

I agree that you expected too much from her. You were out of your usual element and confort zone. But that does not justify all of her behavior.

[Cloud Nine]

BTW, C9, is she British?

I dont think so, her teeth were in perfect shape.

[Cloud Nine]

No, you do not wish you hired an agency. With very few exceptions, Phoenix agencies are a TOTAL RIP-OFF.

Those $150 agencies? The girl get 0% of the fee. The phone girl gets a cut, the driver gets a cut, and the girls gets nothing. The girl hustles as much of a "tip" out of you as possible. If you are lucky, you'll actually get "service". Maybe she'll get undressed and give you a handjob. Or, more likely, she'll "dance" and tell you to jerk yourself off. This is if you are lucky. If you are unlucky, it's a total cash & dash operation. In this scenario, she has a microphone in her purse, and the driver listens in on the call. After she promises you the world, and has extracted as much money out of you as she possible can, she gives the driver (the big dude with the gun that took the fee at the begining of the "session") a code word, and he comes banging on the door, accuses you of soliciting (that's illegal, how dare you!) and gets her the hell out of there.


I agree totally, but there was 2 or 3 agencies that I had my eye on because of the way they advertised ("all inclusive, tipping not neccessary") and because of the reviews on TER. (While I think most of TER is BS, I do believe that it can serve "shes not a ripoff" capabilities.)


PS- I hope you enjoy your glowing review Bettysnj that I wrote to gain access to TER.

[Cloud Nine]

Big Ditto. They think like justlooking or C9 said, they expect to have monkey sex for six hours and that just isn't the case.

I never expected hot monkey sex for the whole period of time, a good conversationalist is great to have while Im waiting for my next erection.

[greyfox]

First of all,thanx for sharing.This is the most interesting discussion I've seen here in a while.I would be ambivalent about the experience you described also.It seems like she was a very attractive,very skilled,and very accommodating (i.e. anal.) escort,who didn't clockwatch.My experience is that even at that price point that combination is not guaranteed,so you did very well in that respect(despite the inexcusable exit).Your two major reservations seem to be her excessive need for positive feedback,adulation,flattery etc. and....

I never expected hot monkey sex for the whole period of time, a good conversationalist is great to have while Im waiting for my next erection.....

the structure and timing of the sex/conversation dynamic.I've never spent an hour and a half in a lounge talking before sex.While I agree with jl that this amount of conversation goes with the territory,that length of verbal prelude has been unusual in my experience.However,I did see Sasha Mermaid being completely aware of her reputation for scripted performances,control of the session,etc. but decided that I would just roll with it.Even with that pre-session knowledge and mind set I couldn't help but have the same thoughts you did (put down the wine,STFU and take off your dress,already) as the chit-chat on the couch approached the 90 minute mark.But at least she was fun,we were alone and the bed was only ten feet away.The session was a two hour booking that lasted 4 1/2 hours.But I've had more sessions which lasted only the prescribed amount of time and were start to finish hot and heavy with conversation just during recovery period.The best for me is the two hours which goes to five and starts hot and fast takes some short breaks and ends with more extended non-sexual activity.This is actually more likely for me than the extended prologue pseudo-date scenario.Why the girls do this is anybody's guess.They may need to play "date" to feel comfortable enough to have sex with us(self-delusion factor),they may just be more talkative than we are and forget that we would rather listen to them after the BJ,or as C9 alluded to they may be used to older guys who themselves prefer the pseudo-date in order to feel more comfortable having sex.Sometimes I'm talkative,sometimes not.I've heard "You're very quiet,would you like a massage to start?" more than once.Unlike a real date when I respond,"No,I'd just like to remove your panties and eat your perfect pussy",the ladies always oblige without hesitation.Notice that this gambit is intended to stroke an ego which may be damaged,evince your giving sexual nature and get her panties off more effectively than demanding "bbbjtcnqns for my first cup".

It's also impossible to know whether the expectation of validation,flattery,reassurance,etc. is due to a strong need to allay self esteem deficiencies (which,BTW, is not the exclusive province of the supply side of the commercial sex equation)or due to characteristic charming,fawning (or smarmy) behavior of the "mature,upscale,gentleman" being regarded as normal or typical for these dates.More likely,the symbiosis of the two work to reinforce expectations.Anyway,a little charm can't hurt.There shouldn't be a little Vermeer voice in your head saying"Compliment her?At that price,just ram her shitpipe while you tell her she's not worth $100".

On the topic of the session with a visiting john or escort,I agree with Caitlin.Not only do escorts get repeat sessions with visiting johns who often travel on a regular basis to the same cities,many of the the girls who visit New York(and I see a lot of them) look to build up clientele here and come back,and escorts in other cities often like to know there are some men who would see them if they travelled to New York even for a mixed business/shopping visit.It's in an escort's best interest to treat every guy(excepting assholes) as a potential regular.

C9,although a lot of the characteristics of your session were typical, there is still a range that can be experienced at that price point.If the entree was served faster and the dessert was long and leisurely,would you go back?That kind of service is definitely available.

[Cloud Nine]

GF-I'm not ruling out another encounter with a high end person based on one experience. If I did that I would never had seen another prostitute after my first one.

Many thanks for your eloquent reply I think your summation was on the money.

(you remind me of another poster that I miss)

[Daddycool]

This might have gone through her head, but she'd be a fool to think that way. Clients often have repeat business in another city, and return to the same escort. Many of my clients are from out of town, and I see many of them more than once.


I think though that you are one of the exceptions to the rule.

[Cloud Nine]

So when are you going to ask Caitlin if she does anal?

[Daddycool]

So when are you going to ask Caitlin if she does anal?

LOL. I don't think she does.

[Slinky Bender]

See the Farmer Brown comment

I tried but I never hear that one and couldn't find it anywhere.

[Cloud Nine]

In case youre not making a joke....


I feel like Farmer Brown who sold his prize pig and decided to dive his tractor into the city and have an expensive meal and gets disappointed because the 300 dollar bottle of wine tastes "oaky".

[Slinky Bender]

I figured there was a longer version that was funny.

[justlooking]

Thinking overnight about Greyfox's excellent post, I came up with the following tangled web of perhaps not very interesting thoughts.

What stuck out for me about Greyfox's session with Sasha ("at least the bed was always ten feet away") was that it appears to have been in Sasha's in-call location. Whereas C9's "high end" session appears to have been at C9's own hotel.

So Greyfox and Sasha are in Sasha's room, following Sasha's script. Wheras C9 arranged to meet this woman in the bar of his own hotel.

I think you can see how Sasha might feel more in control of her session with Greyfox than C9's pro was of her session with him.

I guess this made me think about what the nuts and bolts were of C9's session and the way it proceeded. About what he wanted to have happen but that didn't.

I'm thinking, imagine you're this prostitute. A guy you've never seen before hires you to meet him at his hotel bar. You meet him there. You start chatting. He does nothing to indicate that he wants to stop chatting and go upstairs.

It's easy to see how you might think that he wants to stay at the bar chatting. You don't know what his preferences are (and here I think it's relevant to state that, as unbelievable as it may seem to us, there are johns who are not interested in sex but mainly companionship -- how was she to know C9 wasn't one of them?). Indeed, if she rushed C9 up to the room, she might have been subject to criticism as being either a clockwatcher or someone who scripts sessions.

Now I'm not trying to make excuses for her. A really good prostitute should be able to figure out what a john really wants, and keep control of a session without seeming like she's doing it. But I think prostitutes who are that good are so unusual that you can't expect it, at any price.*

(Slinkybender started a thread on the General board a while ago -- I think it may have been at the time of the famous $3 or $5K blow job, for obvious reasons. It's subject was, "who's responsible is it to structure sessions: the prostitute or the john?" That might be the real subject at issue here.)
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* Indeed, to the extent that part of what you pay high prices for is "someone who doesn't do this six times a day," a lack of practiced professionalism might be expected or even desired.

[justlooking]

I remember back when I used to do a lot of "high end" agency sessions. My favorite moment in the session would always be this point that would come: we'd have been sitting in the room chatting for a while, and then (having been keeping track of the time) I would decide it was time to move on to other things, and I would lean in and kiss the girl. There'd be this moment when I wouldn't know what would happen next. Would she be responsive? Would she be a good kisser? In what way would she be good? You never would know, as every woman is different. But it usually turned out alright (that, of course, is what we pay for).

The point is, though, that I was generally the person who leaned in and started kissing. The prostitute would have been happy (more than happy, I fear) to do nothing more than talk for as long as I wanted to.

[justlooking]

Getting back to that long post, I think the point I'm trying to make is that in the "high end" there's a greater variety of what the customers want (and many of the things they want -- I'm talking about companionship over sex -- are abhorrant to many of the people who post on this board). So it may be that you have to be even more assertive than in other market niches in moving things along. Because there isn't necessarily going to be the same kind of assumptions about what's going to happen as there would be if, say, you book[ed] an hour at Julie's.

[Slinky Bender]

Getting back to that long post, I think the point I'm trying to make is that in the "high end" there's a greater variety of what the customers want .

It's not like a $200 incall, where if you don't want to come in, get naked, get a blowjob, talk for 10 minutes, and then fuck for "round 2", you're an outlier.

[Slinky Bender]

(Slinkybender started a thread on the General board a while ago -- I think it may have been at the time of the famous $3 or $5K blow job, for obvious reasons. It's subject was, "who's responsible is it to structure sessions: the prostitute or the john?" That might be the real subject at issue here.).

http://www.utopiaguide.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37&highlight=session+management

[Slinky Bender]

I'm thinking, imagine you're this prostitute. A guy you've never seen before hires you to meet him at his hotel bar. You meet him there. You start chatting. He does nothing to indicate that he wants to stop chatting and go upstairs.

It's easy to see how you might think that he wants to stay at the bar chatting. You don't know what his preferences are (and here I think it's relevant to state that, as unbelievable as it may seem to us, there are johns who are not interested in sex but mainly companionship -- how was she to know C9 wasn't one of them?). Indeed, if she rushed C9 up to the room, she might have been subject to criticism as being either a clockwatcher or someone who scripts sessions.

Now I'm not trying to make excuses for her. A really good prostitute should be able to figure out what a john really wants, and keep control of a session without seeming like she's doing it. But I think prostitutes who are that good are so unusual that you can't expect it, at any price.*



It's often difficult to do anything about, though, because of the "I don't talk about specific acts", blah, blah blah. I've tired ways to get around this, with little success. For example, I've clipped descriptions of great sessions I've had with other girls and siad "this is an exapmle of what I like doing in sessions", and then just gotten back "I'm not her. If you want her why are you bothering me?". Or even just listing "what I like" and asking if this sonds good to hert, but all I've ever gotten back has been total bullshit.

I guess this is why I've been tending to stick to places (uh, oh, I'm going to sound like jl now....) where it's a scene where I can hang out and get to know the girls who work there and talk to them before doing anything.

[justlooking]

It's often difficult to do anything about, though, because of the "I don't talk about specific acts", blah, blah blah. I've tired ways to get around this, with little success. For example, I've clipped descriptions of great sessions I've had with other girls and siad "this is an exapmle of what I like doing in sessions", and then just gotten back "I'm not her. If you want her why are you bothering me?". Or even just listing "what I like" and asking if this sonds good to hert, but all I've ever gotten back has been total bullshit.

I think I'm talking about something a bit different. I'm assuming the prostitute is willing to do everything C9 wants (I mean, let's face it, she ended up doing anal). She's just not sure what he wants.

So the problem wasn't working out in advance whether she she was willing to do what he wanted. It was making what he wanted mutually understood at the time of the session.

I guess this is why I've been tending to stick to places (uh, oh, I'm going to sound like jl now....) where it's a scene where I can hang out and get to know the girls who work there and talk to them before doing anything.

OTOH, DITTO.

[justlooking]

I'm assuming the prostitute is willing to do everything C9 wants

I mean, as I've often said, one of the benefits of "high end" prices is that you can generally assume without discussion that most services are on the table.

[Cloud Nine]

The meeting at the resort bar was her stipulation not mine. (I did say she made me jump thru hoops)

[Cloud Nine]

(one of the hoops was the type of place we were to meet at, ie. she didnt believe me when I told her that "La Quinta" was spanish for "Premium Resort or Hotel".)

[justlooking]

What I'm trying to say is, I don't think the problem here was "what the girl would do." It's more like, "when would she do it?"

C9 should correct me if I'm misapprehending, but I didn't get the impression that she was encouraging (much less forcing) them to stay down at the bar. I get the feeling she'd have been happy -- maybe even relieved -- to go upstairs as soon as C9 said something like, "Why don't we go upstairs?" I think the problem was only her misunderstanding of the pace C9 wanted (in other words, I'll bet she thought she was accomodating him by chatting in the lounge for so long). (I'll bet that was the reason for her intolerably hasty departure -- she was probably shocked to realize how late she'd already stayed.)

[justlooking]

[my above post was written before I read the two C9 posts before it]

OK, so she's probably one of the ones who use the public meeting as a screening mechanism.

But what was the dynamic about leaving the bar?

[Cloud Nine]

What I'm trying to say is, I don't think the problem here was "what the girl would do." It's more like, "when would she do it?"

C9 should correct me if I'm misapprehending, but I didn't get the impression that she was encouraging (much less forcing) them to stay down at the bar. I get the feeling she'd have been happy -- maybe even relieved -- to go upstairs as soon as C9 said something like, "Why don't we go upstairs?" I think the problem was only her misunderstanding of the pace C9 wanted (in other words, I'll bet she thought she was accomodating him by chatting in the lounge for so long). (I'll bet that was the reason for her intolerably hasty departure -- she was probably shocked to realize how late she'd already stayed.)


The last aside is what I suspect to be true, she was such a chatter box (and a bit crazy if you ask me) that I dont think I had much chance to input much.

[Cloud Nine]

I think she had a truly wonderful time listening to herself talk to me.

[justlooking]

Gotcha.

(THAT'S not indemic to the "high end", if that was what you were initially asking.)

[Cloud Nine]

You know, looking back I really wonder if because I'm such a "nice guy" that I get dumped on with personal problems. Many times that night her sentences started with, "Ive never told any customers this...."

I must be a schlub because I always ended up being a girl's "friend" whenever Im interested in sex with her throughout my life....

[Cloud Nine]

I really ought to stop analyzing this experience, its just getting me more and more depressed.

[greyfox]

You know, looking back I really wonder if because I'm such a "nice guy" that I get dumped on with personal problems. Many times that night her sentences started with, "Ive never told any customers this....

Many of us are members of this club.My long time "nice guy" friend,business partner and fellow whoremonger calls this phenomenon "instant intimacy".

[Daddycool]

You know, looking back I really wonder if because I'm such a "nice guy" that I get dumped on with personal problems. Many times that night her sentences started with, "Ive never told any customers this...."

I must be a schlub because I always ended up being a girl's "friend" whenever Im interested in sex with her throughout my life....

If I do not feel like hearing "her" problems, I just tell her that I solve problems all day at work and it would be nice if I could just enjoy your company, but it does get them to stop talking about "her" problems to me.




I must be a schlub because I always ended up being a girl's "friend" whenever Im interested in sex with her throughout my life....

No, you are just a nice guy and you cannot help who you are. I am sure you being a nice guy got you more than you think. It just always appears that the "cool guy" who treats girls like shit get more action, but they really don't.

[Daddycool]

I really ought to stop analyzing this experience, its just getting me more and more depressed.


Like I said in a previous post, we all had sessions like this,you really need to stop beating yourself up over it. It just might sting a little more because you see 1000 dollars attacted to it. But like Slinky said if you divide the numbers of hours you saw her then it wasn't much more than what the hourly girls charge.

[Cloud Nine]

But like Slinky said if you divide the numbers of hours you saw her then it wasn't much more than what the hourly girls charge.

So I should view this as 3 bad experiences in a row instead of just one?


Youre really not helping....

[Cloud Nine]

Many of us are members of this club.My long time "nice guy" friend,business partner and fellow whoremonger calls this phenomenon "instant intimacy".

Maybe we exude a pheromone?

[Daddycool]

Getting back to that long post, I think the point I'm trying to make is that in the "high end" there's a greater variety of what the customers want (and many of the things they want -- I'm talking about companionship over sex -- are abhorrant to many of the people who post on this board). So it may be that you have to be even more assertive than in other market niches in moving things along. Because there isn't necessarily going to be the same kind of assumptions about what's going to happen as there would be if, say, you book[ed] an hour at Julie's.

C9 needed to be more of a driving force. By not taking charge of the session, he let the session drive itself and linger on for too long and as a result he didn't get what he wanted out of the session.I think the Juiles example is a good one, with an hour session, the hour time limit drives the session. You know you want to get this, that and anything else you can think of in that one hour. But with a high end girl where a session can run 6 hours, it can get more confusing on when the sex starts, stops and starts back up again.

I agree with you, I do not think the girl was trying to stay down stairs, she even admitted most guys don't even want to have sex with her. So she might have been under the impression that C9 was one of those guys.

[Daddycool]

So I should view this as 3 bad experiences in a row instead of just one?


Youre really not helping....

I am sorry. I really am trying to help. Come on out to a strip club with me and we'll have a few beers and then corn hole us some strippers.

[Cloud Nine]

I am sorry. I really am trying to help.


You must exude the same pheromone.

[Daddycool]

[QUOTE=Cloud Nine]You know, looking back I really wonder if because I'm such a "nice guy" that I get dumped on with personal problems. Many times that night her sentences started with, "Ive never told any customers this...."
QUOTE]


I have had many a stripper complain to me about thier job, how much money they make, thier boyrfriends(which I laugh at when I am about to put my dick in their ass) and thier life as a whole. I've been there. I've been the nice guy too.

[Cloud Nine]

I need to take some self-improvement classes. (http://www.pick-up-woman.com/nice-guys-finish-last.shtml)

[justlooking]

Personally, I find that "nice guy" thing enormously helpful, in my commercial sex life as well as my professional life. Of course, there's an important distinction to be drawn between a "nice guy" and a "doormat".

[Cloud Nine]

Youd be the perfect nice guy JL if you werent a sexual predator.

[justlooking]

I think the Juiles example is a good one, with an hour session, the hour time limit drives the session. You know you want to get this, that and anything else you can think of in that one hour. But with a high end girl where a session can run 6 hours, it can get more confusing on when the sex starts, stops and starts back up again.

But just to be clear, I don't think the time limit is the sole driver here.

I've had one-hour "high end" agency sessions, where an hour was an hour, in which I'm sure the girl would've just kept chatting for the full hour (or most of it) if I didn't indicate I wanted to move on.

NOT because "high end" girls are rip-offs, but because I don't think they necessarily assume you don't want to just talk.

[justlooking]

Youd be the perfect nice guy JL if you werent a sexual predator.

Well, nobody's perfect.

[Cloud Nine]

So why is there such a distinction between highend and the 300/hr girl where they know exactly what theyre there for? Its not like this high end girl advertised in any place different than the 300 dollar indy.

[justlooking]

I think there's just a broader range of "wants" toward the top of the pay scale.

[justlooking]

Think of it this way, C9:

The girl was being more accomodating to you, not less.

You wanted to sit and chat, she'd sit and chat. You wanted to go up and do anal, she'd go up and do anal.

At the "lower" levels, you wouldn't have that choice. The session would proceed as it normally proceeds. She wouldn't be trying to follow your lead (even if this girl got it wrong). And she might not be capable of a few hours' chatting (even if this girl appears not to have been so great at that, either).

So for the extra money, you were given more options, not fewer. And more personalized service. Why would that seem unintuitive to you?

[Cloud Nine]

I dunno I guess you fancy types are fruity or sumtin...

[Daddycool]

Justlooking is correct, she did exactly what you wanted.

You just need a high end session with the right girl and you'll see what we are talking about.

[Cloud Nine]

Loan me some $$$

[Cloud Nine]

since youre such a nice guy and all...

[justlooking]

Of course, there's an important distinction to be drawn between a "nice guy" and a "doormat".
. . . .

[Daddycool]

I'm not a doormat.LOL....But I'll be happy to treat you to a few beers at a strip club.

[Cloud Nine]

Well beers in a NYC strip club run about $8? A few implies more than 2, so we'll say three.

Can you just paypal me the $24 dollars?

[Cloud Nine]

This offer stands for anyone else who would like to buy me a few beers.

[Daddycool]

Well beers in a NYC strip club run about $8? A few implies more than 2, so we'll say three.

Can you just paypal me the $24 dollars?

I don't do paypal.

[justlooking]

C9,although a lot of the characteristics of your session were typical, there is still a range that can be experienced at that price point.If the entree was served faster and the dessert was long and leisurely,would you go back?That kind of service is definitely available.

I really want to DITTO this, cuz although I like to think I was making that point, too, it might have gotten lost in my more tendentious verbiage.

[DaveNJ]

I really want to DITTO this, cuz although I like to think I was making that point, too, it might have gotten lost in my more tendentious verbiage.

Nice use of the word tendentious. I'll have to add that to the word a day condoms I'm currently working on. They serve a dual purpose. To educate the hobbyists, as well as the AMP girls whose engrish needs some help. I guess I'll have to add korean/chinese/japanese translations.

Daddycool, I'm looking for investors. Care to invest C9's $24?

[Slinky Bender]

One point which has been left out: a decent amount of $1,000 girls are really just $300 girls with 3 1/3 hour minimums.

[Slinky Bender]

It's often difficult to do anything about, though, because of the "I don't talk about specific acts", blah, blah blah. I've tired ways to get around this, with little success. For example, I've clipped descriptions of great sessions I've had with other girls and siad "this is an exapmle of what I like doing in sessions", and then just gotten back "I'm not her. If you want her why are you bothering me?". Or even just listing "what I like" and asking if this sonds good to hert, but all I've ever gotten back has been total bullshit.


I think I'm talking about something a bit different. I'm assuming the prostitute is willing to do everything C9 wants (I mean, let's face it, she ended up doing anal). She's just not sure what he wants.

So the problem wasn't working out in advance whether she she was willing to do what he wanted. It was making what he wanted mutually understood at the time of the session.



I guess I didn't make my point. What I was trying to say is that when rather than asking if items were on the table, and trying to simply give a roadmap of what I thought a good session was so that we wouldn't have to "talk about stuff specifically", I've gotten very poor results/bad reactions. It's not a matter of what they would or wouldn't do acts wise. The concept whole bombed.

[Bandaid]

I don't think there's providers worth $1,000. After a certain level of looks, any more doesn't really add as much. Too hot an appearance is a danger sign to me, b/c those girls never had to actually do anything to succeed, all they had to do was show up and look cute. they carry that attitude with them all through life. for $1,000 I don't want to deal with any uncertainty at all. I want a mind-blowing session that I'll remember a long time, and anything less would be a big disappointment. I've had mind-blowing sessions for $160 with Kogals with great attitudes in AMPs. Most of the time I didn't, but I at least got something for my $160, and five more chances to get something special. If I paid $1,000 and didn't have a really special time, I'd be hysterical.

[Cloud Nine]

isnt there a rule against a "its not worth paying X for pussy" type of post in the high end room?

[justlooking]

Nice use of the word tendentious. I'll have to add that to the word a day condoms I'm currently working on. They serve a dual purpose. To educate the hobbyists, as well as the AMP girls whose engrish needs some help. I guess I'll have to add korean/chinese/japanese translations.

Daddycool, I'm looking for investors. Care to invest C9's $24?

It's especially good for you because it has no "l" or "r" sounds in it.

[justlooking]

I don't think there's providers worth $1,000. After a certain level of looks, any more doesn't really add as much. Too hot an appearance is a danger sign to me, b/c those girls never had to actually do anything to succeed, all they had to do was show up and look cute. they carry that attitude with them all through life. for $1,000 I don't want to deal with any uncertainty at all. I want a mind-blowing session that I'll remember a long time, and anything less would be a big disappointment. I've had mind-blowing sessions for $160 with Kogals with great attitudes in AMPs. Most of the time I didn't, but I at least got something for my $160, and five more chances to get something special. If I paid $1,000 and didn't have a really special time, I'd be hysterical.

1. That "beautiful women rarely give good service" shit is pure bullshit. Believe me.

2. The point about the "high end" is, if $1000 is that important to you, you shouldn't be doing it.

3. Besides, yoiur idea of a "mind-blowing session" probably isn't what you'd get.

4. Anyway, DITTO C9.

[Daddycool]

isnt there a rule against a "its not worth paying X for pussy" type of post in the high end room?


BIG ditto

[justlooking]

Just for the record:

Whatever the number is, I should have made this clear: this section is [b]NOT[/i] going to be for guys to jump in on discussions of higher priced escort and say "no one is worth that". Such comments will be deleted.

[justlooking]

I guess I didn't make my point. What I was trying to say is that when rather than asking if items were on the table, and trying to simply give a roadmap of what I thought a good session was so that we wouldn't have to "talk about stuff specifically", I've gotten very poor results/bad reactions. It's not a matter of what they would or wouldn't do acts wise. The concept whole bombed.

I see what you mean now. I'm not surprised that didn't work. I think that the only way to get around it is to do what we now do. Other than relying on reviews, which has it own set of massive problems.

[DaveNJ]

It's especially good for you because it has no "l" or "r" sounds in it.


Well, good for the providers, anyway. I don't have any problems pronouncing the "l" or "r" sounds.

[Ozzy]

Clod... Rule of thumb is a 9+ who swallows or takes it in the can = 1000/hr girl. (thats a JL and Ozzy 9 not a julies 9).

You paid 1000 and for 4 hrs... no? You pay a pro for 4 hours and you're getting at least half of it in conversation. That's just the way it is. That's what Phantom never understands about ON's (and he only paid 2k for janelle to sleep for 16 hrs)...... You're not getting your dick sucked for four straight hours.

When the fuck are you gonna tell us who the cunt is?

Its obvious vermeer doesn't ever read the high end section.

JL is having 5 hours of sex during a typical 7 hr stripper friend date..... Thats very encouraging for me to know I'll be able to be that active when I'm an old decrepit fuck.

[Cloud Nine]

"Tendentious" is the 41805th most frequently used word (http://www.wordcount.org/main.php) in the English language.

[Cloud Nine]

Clod


Typo or insult?

[Slinky Bender]

I think the numbers are bullshit. Tendentious is 41,805 and clod is 67,357? and blemished is 76,890?

[justlooking]

Thats very encouraging for me to know I'll be able to be that active when I'm an old decrepit fuck.

Really only four. But I can't tell you how good it makes me feel to know I'm giving you hope for the future.

[Ozzy]

I think the numbers are bullshit. Tendentious is 41,805 and clod is 67,357? and blemished is 76,890?



And FUCK is 5598? They obviously didn't poll new yorkers.

[aceofclubs26]

I think the numbers are bullshit. Tendentious is 41,805 and clod is 67,357? and blemished is 76,890?

I'm not so sure.....the average of the words read + the + rules is 443. With all the knuckleheads that keep getting banned, these numbers might be right on.

[Ozzy]

Typo or insult?


I'll let your OCD kick in to high gear trying to figure it out.

[Cloud Nine]

No OCD here, Im a slob.

[Cloud Nine]

Sessions of Sex
A song parody of the song Seasons of Love from the play, Rent by Cloud Nine

Two thousand quarters and ten thousand nickles,
That is one thousand hard earned dollars I pay.
Two thousand quarters and ten thousand nickles
how do you measure, measure a lay?
In hours, in technique, in foreplay, in cups of coffee.
In beauty, in blowjobs, in talking, in ports of entry.
In two thousand quarters and ten thousand nickles
how do you measure a lay with a fee?
How about sex? How about sex? How about sex?
Measure in sex.
Sessions of sex.


Two thousand quarters and ten thousand nickles!
I just spent one thousand dollars for one pop.
Two thousand quarters and ten thousand nickles
how can I get this incessant talking to stop?


She charged by the word,
it was like a first date.
Her problems I heard,
the sex I had to wait.


It’s time now to fuck now,
tho her talking never ends
let's celebrate, remember a lay in the life of friends.
Remember the sex! Remember the sex! Remember the sex!
Measure in sex.
Sessions of sex.
Sessions of sex!

[curious]

I think the numbers are bullshit. Tendentious is 41,805 and clod is 67,357? and blemished is 76,890?

"conquistador" is dead last @ No. 86,800

yep, looks like some discrepancies(#16745) in their metrics (#59631)

(btw -cool site, C9, thanks! (#1655))

[curious]

feh.

"blowjob" isn't even IN the archive!

[curious]

"anal" (#10925) more popular than "vaginal" (#16677)

not as popular as "oral" (#3835) though...

[Cloud Nine]

blow job is two words

[Daddycool]

So Cloud 9 are you going to try it again or are you done with the high end?

[Cloud Nine]

maybe

[Slinky Bender]

My guess is that the answer will be found in the Games of Chance section

(C9 is such an LV stereotype).

[Cloud Nine]

actually. I had the appointment set up before I won the grand on that trip.

[Cloud Nine]

(so one way you can look a this is that I won 25 minutes of sex with a gorgeous girl and 3 1/2 hours of inane conversation at a poker game)

[curious]

You forgot the 1 1/2 hours of chit-chat with the chick.

[book guy]

If it's an agency, atypical. If it's an independent, completely typical.

I agree. I think one thing you might keep in mind, is that for a female "relaxation" is often necessary for sexual arousal, while for a male "excitement" (which, in some sense, is exactly the opposite of "relaxation") is. Not that she should be worried about her own arousal, but you can see where a misconception might creep into her purdy little haid.

Oh, and this is my first post ever at Utopia Guide. Flame-retardant suit donned ...

[DaveNJ]

Oh, and this is my first post ever at Utopia Guide. Flame-retardant suit donned ...

Just make sure you cover your heels. I knew this guy Achilles who thought he was safe, but the stories I could tell you...Shit, I could fill a book with stories about him.

If I remember correctly, he was really into Greek.

[elliot16]

I remember my first "date" with a high-end NYC independent several years ago. We spent something like seven hours together (not all in bed, obviously). But once we got into bed, everything was on the table.

As I was leaving, she said, "Well, you certainly got the red carpet treatment here tonight."
I am assuming she was a redhead?

[Ozzy]

Actually I think she was.

[j1rose]

well my favorite gfe on a 2 hour date gives me 15 minutes of conversation and about 20 minutes of sex w 1 hour interspersed head action ..

m good...

the rest is misc...........

[gmk1212]

Yes if you see strippers outside the club for play, you can see them for that long and it feels a lot more like a "real date" and not like seeing a provider. That is why it is so alluring to "date" them.

What are you guys meaning by this "dating strippers" stuff? You mean you pay them to go on a date with you?

[justlooking]

I view it more as paying them to have sex with me.

[justlooking]

I was at this ultra-high-end resort once. The place was incredibly accomodating. If you asked them, there was just about nothing they wouldn't arrange for you. But if you didn't ask them, absolutely nothing would happen. Not cuz they're inattentive, obviously. But cuz at those prices, they assume you know what you want, if you want something you'll ask for it, and if you're not asking you just want to be left alone or are happy with things the way they are.

[Slinky Bender]

One of the things in a service business is the fine line between accomodating and annoying. Many restaurants which pretend to be high end, but don't have experinced waiters, often have them coming by the talbe all too often and asking "is everything allright?". OTOH, if they never came over simply because you didn't waive them over, you probably wouldn't think they had good service. Part of good service is knowing when you need to prompt the customer, or even just do something for the customer without them, asking. Personally, having to ask for stuff just about ruins almost any experience for me.

In the instant case, take a look at monk's recent review, as well as other reviews of guy's ATFs. In many cases, what really makes a girl great in this business is the ability to convincingly pull of the she wants to move things along to the bedroom. And if she can do that, there's very few guys who will want to talk for extended periods rather than go. The key is that to be convincing, there has to be some amount of warm up first. Knowing exactly how much is what separates the milk from the cream (I would imagine that this is especially true at mainstream stripclubs. The "Wannadance" girls probably don't make nearly as much as the one's who know exactly the right amount of time to spend before either getting a dance por moving on. but this doesn't mean they should never ask if the guy wants a dance. Many guys who would take them up on that offer are actually waiting for them to make it, and if she politely gets up and goes because he never asked her, I'm not sure that's "good service").

I think I've told this story before, but I'll repeat it (what a shock!!! me repeating a story!!!!! Film at 11...):

I'm at what is probably my ATF restaurant (but it's my first time there). It's desert time, so we order desert and coffee, and I go to the bathroom figuring it will be there when I get back. When I get back, my date has her coffee in front of her, but I have no coffee in my cup. Within 15 seconds of my butt hitting the chair, my coffeee gets poured. Obviously, they had a policy of not pouring coffee to an empty seat, and had someone sitting around waiting and watching my seat so that my coffee would be freshly poured when I got there.

[kassyS]

At one time, when I was working Vegas, some people had a similar complaint.

They would paying one gal, so much money, and not really be enjoying it or having a good time.

Then they would go with another gal, a few days later, and she would only charge half of what the other gal charged. And they would have a better time.

Now, why is this? Could it be that they felt better with the less expensive gal than the high priced one?

Of course, when you pay more, you expect to get more. But this is not really the case. Often the client has unrealistic expectations, and the gal may be too inexperienced to deliver the goods.

I have often wondered why some gals were so much better than others?

What is it? Possibly attitude? But are you really willing to pay that
much for attitude? Some lower priced gals have probably better attitude than caviar girls.

I just don't see it. Maybe it is me, for I have never charged $1000 per hour ever in my career. If I had I would have thought my pussy was made of platinum.

There are a lot of intangible to making a good time.
Such as timing, environment, attitude and pyschology.

Well, how about pure dumb luck. Would you be willing to pay more that?

Yeah,

[Gubke]

IMHO, it has nothing to do with how much the SP charges. In a perfectly balanced world, more money would purchase more beauty, more sophistication, a better body, attitude, and overall experience. In the real world, this is oftentimes not the case. There are some SPs who charge substantially less and fulfill all of one's desires.
I think it's about having FUN (which has a lot to do with attitude). If a SP has a sweet attitude, is naturally friendly, and really enjoys pleasing her client (even if she's not a perfect 10 or a Rhodes scholar), the client will "catch" her fun attitude and have a wonderful experience.