Have you ever been busted?

[Slinky Bender]

Have you ever been busted?

[pjorourke]

I assume your question was related to some form of "hobby" activity.

[TC123]

I was involved in one bust and was let go. It was many years ago at the Harmony. All guys were let go except for maybe one or 2 that the cops may have caught in the act of doing something.

The cops frisked every guy on the way out. I was younger and thinner then, and I had come straight from work and was wearing by best suit, sharp shirt and tie, and as I was waiting on line to be frisked, it dawned on me that I was a lot better dressed than 99% of the guys there that night, and that might make me stand out. When it was my turn, the cop doing the frisking looked at me and said "What the fuck are you doing here? Is this the best you could do?" He hadn't said that to anyone else. He looked like he was waiting for an answer, but I feared that any answer I gave could get me in trouble. I just sort of shrugged, put my head down and walked out.

It shook me up. Kept me out of the hobby for at least a week.

[Bandaid]

Makes you think, doesn't it? The one or two they didn't let go might have had warrants or something, too.

You were wise not to answer. Most anything you said would have been wrong. They'd pretty much decided to let everybody go anyway.

PJ: Sure. And "publicized" means your name and/or picture got published, not something like "The Inn of the Jade Gate was raided yesterday. Four women were arrested and two men, customers, were detained for questioning."

[heyyoaight]

I wasnt busted but after stopping to pick up a streetwalker like 10 years ago, I turned the corner with her in the car and got pulled over. cop gave me a breathalizer. he told me that lots of people go over there after leaving the bar or stripclub. When i passed he told me to be careful and have a good night. by the way, no mistaking her, she was in full hoe gear.

[moneyshotsnj]

I've never been busted, but once, it had to be over 20 years ago, I was sitting in the waiting area of an AMP when Immigration raided the place. It was pretty scary for a couple of minutes. I just sat there silently until one of the Immigration officers told me to leave.

[RoosterC74]

Lucky on my end-NEVER!

[genius]

About 3 years ago I was seen by LE picking up an SW. They seperated us and questioned us. I said she was hitchhiking. Le said "Why did you pick up a known prostitute" I said - "With all due respect officer - she may be known by you as one - but not by me - she wasnt dressed like one and didnt have a sign on her saying she was one - I like to give people rides. "

I got a ticket for "hitch-hiking". They let the girl go - she was just hitch-hiking to get pampers for her baby (yeah - right). I looked up the law and it turns out it is only illegal to hitch-hike - and not to pick up one (NYS - dont know elsewhere). I recieved a letter from the DMV that I had to go to court to enter a plea and I couldnt do it by mail. I went to court (by myself) with a copy of the law that I looked up at the local library - case dismissed.

[April]

gimme a sec to count ...........
i have to take off my shoes



j/k

sorta

[Sidekicks]

I was never busted by LE in the AMP, knock on wood.

Sidekicks.

p.s. Nice to see you back April! :) Hope the weather is nice down there

[April]

thx...actually it's even better than i expected in all aspects

[Ozzy]

Never.

[fumpton]

thx...actually it's even better than i expected in all aspects

warm and moist? oh wait, I guess you meant the weather down in florida.

[njmalan]

I've yet to be busted and have been considering getting away from the AMP scene. The places I frequent have been busted at least once in the past few years and I figure it's only a matter of time.

I guess I'll just see an indy with less frequency.. Worth the safety I suppose.

[out of control]

A couple of years ago I went to a FS AMP picked a smoking hot girl, paid my 50 up front. She washed me in the shower and I almost shot a load as she was cleaning me. I thought this is my lucky day. We go into the room and she tells me to lie down she’ll be right back. So I’m lying naked face down on a bed and she’s taking a long time to return. Then I hear the distinctive sound of a police radio and loud male voices. So I jump up and I’m putting on my boxers when a cop walks in. Tells me to get dressed. I told him my back was hurting and I saw an add for massage. He told me the place was unlicenced and to go. Didn’t ask for Id just said go. That was it.

[BigMadM]

I had 2 teeth busted out of my mouth, and my head almost busted by a 300 lb cuban boyfriend, but never le busted.

and now, fearing I just buried my luck, will cancel everything this week.

[popeye]

This is a good thread. I have had a number of scares. One time when in Chinatown I was in the middle of getting a massage, when the girl and I heard running footsteps outside the door. She immediately stopped to listen to the commotion outside, and left to take a look. It was quite some time before the manager walked into the room and informed me the board of health had attempted to get admittance to inspect the place. She asked me to leave without any charge for the services rendered, and said they’ll be closed for the rest of the day. Also, he requested if asked by anyone on the way out, do not say I get a massage when there. If asked to say that I use the sauna or steam room. I left and thanked my lucky stars.

Another time a private apartments that I used to weekly visit got busted. For some inexplicable reason I happened not to go at my regular time, and arrived to see the door busted and the place empty. There were neither stickers nor police tapes; it just looked like a break in with nothing obviously stolen. I went in to the place not realizing what had happened. I actually thought the places had been robbed, and called the Mama-san’s cell phone to let her know. Naturally there was no answer. Later I found out the police busted them, and that I shouldn’t have gone into the apartment because it was crime scene. An asshole cop could have easily taken me in for tampering with a crime scene. I could have been in big trouble.

Regards,

Pop

[ChuckUFarlie]

My first experience in the hobby about 10 years ago, I picked up a sw (first and only time). Just as she started her cbj, cop pulls behind us light flashing. He give me a speech about stds and other dangers. She has to leave. I'm out 50 bucks but was just told to go home. I didn't pay for play again till 5 years after that when I started going to massage incalls.

[oddfellow4870]

Old Jaggies have heard this one already....

I was at Whsipers (Hartford massage parlor) in session with a lovely young thing (at that time) named Crystal. She was a regular and for some odd reason we varied our routine and did the sex first, then the massage. Loud rap on the door and a demand that we open the door. I jumped into the shower. She hid the condom in a tissue and faked a cold for the next two hours.

I was interrogated and stuck to "Conversation and a shower." They tried to enlist my support in "ridding the neighborhood of this place..."

They checked my ID and called in to see if I had a record and then after a while, let me go.

Whispers was later closed, but Crystal was not arrested......

[capitan]

"Have you ever been busted?"

NO, but I was ALMOST nailed in an LE SW sting in Carteret about 3 years ago....got out of that one with the skin of my teeth!

I went for the decoy, but then realized what was happening, and split..


Straight ahead,
Capy

[jruder]

I was involved in one bust and was let go. It was many years ago at the Harmony. All guys were let go except for maybe one or 2 that the cops may have caught in the act of doing something.

The cops frisked every guy on the way out. I was younger and thinner then, and I had come straight from work and was wearing by best suit, sharp shirt and tie, and as I was waiting on line to be frisked, it dawned on me that I was a lot better dressed than 99% of the guys there that night, and that might make me stand out. When it was my turn, the cop doing the frisking looked at me and said "What the fuck are you doing here? Is this the best you could do?" He hadn't said that to anyone else. He looked like he was waiting for an answer, but I feared that any answer I gave could get me in trouble. I just sort of shrugged, put my head down and walked out.

It shook me up. Kept me out of the hobby for at least a week.


Had an experience exactly like tc123's, but it couldn't have been the same raid, since it was a Sunday afternoon, not after work. It was at Harmony on 22nd Street. I was in the mensroom, putting on a rubber, when I heard commotion and some sgt yelling this was a raid. There was one customer being busted, hands against the wall and then cuffed. All the rest of the customers were frisked, made to stand around for ten minutes or so, then we were all called a bunch of degenerates and told to get the hell out of there.

Like tc123, I stayed away for a week or two.

jruder
jruder

[pjorourke]

I notice that all of the stories* in this tread involve AMP's or SW's -- no independents or agency outcalls. I wonder if, based on the theory of "no free lunch", this is part of the rationale for higher prices in that end of the market -- lower risk of arrest.

____________________
* except for April's fingers and toes. My comment referred to risk to the guys.

[Dvaenport]

Nope... N.o.w

[ChuckUFarlie]

And one time at an incall, I couldn't get through on the phone so I just decided to show up and ring the bell. I get there and everything is wide open. I'm looking around wondering what happened. I go back outside and see there are some cops walking around and the place has obviously been busted. These weren't uniform cops, they were wearing their badges on a chain and they were talking to some of the girls. I quietly walked away consisdering myself lucky not to be caught in that. But I have a question. This happened several years ago and this place is still open. I don't see them advertise anymore but they do take appointments if you have a member number.
So did LE just bust them that one time and leave them alone? I thought that once they were on to you, they would continue until you closed down or moved? You think this place is safe?

[TC123]

"Safe" is a relative term. There is an inherent amount of risk in this hobby no matter who or where. The fact that they are keeping a lower profile may make them safER than they would be otherwise, but only in the relative sense. No place is completely safe. Hobby at your own risk.

[Bandaid]

In Connecticut, many of the AMPs have been busted and are still operating. Why, I don't know.

I know I keep telling this story, but I used to live in the Virginia/DC area when there were many MP's. They were closed down practically overnight. In New Hampshire/Massachusetts the same thing happened. The experience convinced me that the powers that be could do the same if they made up their minds to do it. Since they haven't, I can't shake the feeling there's a certain amount of tolerance for them.

[ChuckUFarlie]

"Safe" is a relative term. There is an inherent amount of risk in this hobby no matter who or where. The fact that they are keeping a lower profile may make them safER than they would be otherwise, but only in the relative sense. No place is completely safe. Hobby at your own risk.



I understand, but basically I'm wondering if perhaps they are being monitored by le. But the bust was over 2 years ago. Would there be surveillance for such a long time? Is it possible that le didn't get much the first time and wont go back unless they receive a complaint? Or maybe new owners, new deal? Just seems odd to me.

[April]

Being busted is just a matter of business on the supply side although you'll never to get a supplier to admit it usually. Usually you just close up for the day and it's back to business as usual.

They need a bit more than knowing a place is a brothel...they need a solicitation or a promise of an exchange of money for sex.

About 3 years ago....after being busted two days in a row the police said not to worry they'd be leaving "us" alone for quite a while..........and they did.

If your indulging in this "hobby" for a while your GOING to get busted.....it's just a matter of time. While they might not arrest most of the johns they bust it does happen, more so if you have a position of "status" in this society.

just my experience

[Slinky Bender]

It also varies tremendously by location.

In NYV, the Johns don't have much to worry about (unless you're in a car picking up a SW).

On LI or in NJ, it's a different matter entirely.

And now to go back to one of my rants:

If a place has been busted 25 times, and keeps the same listed phone number, it's obviously just something that they expect in the business. And for such a place, how could anyone think that its PMB discussion which is their main risk?

[Jack_Maehoffer]

In Connecticut, many of the AMPs have been busted and are still operating. Why, I don't know.
.

Not for long.... CT along with DC is as crooked Government wise, as Marty Feldmans eyes are in "Young Frankenstein"

[capitan]

Slinky...

At first, I thought that a PMB was a real support for an up and coming bust, but now, I would have to say that this is NOT the case, EXCEPT in the case of obtaining info on a NEW operation, and LE just wants some good background info before making the bust.

But, what is the point of a bust, if they will be back in business again, as seems to be a common practice with many of these "commercial businesses"?

Money paid to the "right" people to look with a blind eye?

Straight ahead,
Capy

[Dondee]

.....never......yet.....

(but I know it's just a matter of time)

[Bandaid]

If a place has been busted 25 times, and keeps the same listed phone number, it's obviously just something that they expect in the business. And for such a place, how could anyone think that its PMB discussion which is their main risk?

Of course it isn't. To think PMB discussion is the problem requires believing that the cops don't know what's going on in the establishment. Nonsense. It takes the cops maybe 24 hours to know what a new place is all about, probably not that long.

OTOH, the cops are generally unable to figure out what $$.50 or "three hundred reasons" means, and they can't understand why Korean girls like Frank Sinatra and Billy Joel music so much. (Is it played on Seoul radio stations?) We're far too clever for them.

As far a corruption goes, that would only help prevent busts. Once the bust happens, it's out of LE's hands. Too many people would have to be involved in fixing something with the DA and the cops for the fix to last. The media would love to get involved. Times have changed. Corruption now seems to take the form of cops becoming stone criminals themselves, like the two NYPD detectives who became hit men.

Here's what I think is going on with many busts:

--Zoning. Open up a place in the wrong (too ritzy) neighborhood or wrong town, you're looking for a bust.

--Who's the owner? They're not spas, but Teddie's and Keystone in Bridgeport got closed down while Pleasant Moments and Bishop's Corner are open. The story I heard was that the owner of both Teddie's and Keystone had pissed off the Man. There's no difference in the services offered at any of them, let me tell you. The point is that the owner can become a target for reasons that don't have anything to do directly with the place that gets busted.

--Activism. If there are crusaders in the neighborhood, the cops can't just do nothing. The political pressure can get to be too much.

--Opportunism. Get an opportunistic or bluenosed DA, off you go.

--Bad actors. If there's been trouble at a place, too much drugs or dealing, of if a place is using slave labor, or double especially there haven't been enough birthdays to go around, that's it.

So, one some level busts become a kind of regulation, a weed whacker to keep the undergrowth under control. The fear busts and the publicity created ("we've got all the pictures and we'll be calling you") keeps the customer base down. PMB boards have never caused a bust. CL postings may have, but most forms of advertising have.

[fumpton]

another "theory" (note: no actual proof to back this) could be explained as the catch and release as in fishing. Vice, like any other division i.e. narcotics, street crimes, need to justify their existence through arrests, compstat, etc., and to keep their share of the budget. in these days of budget cuts, and manpower shortages, they have to do more with less. So Vice, having to show some results, maybe are taking the easier route by targeting repeat offenders. Places they already have info on, and priors on are more easily busted rather than having to start a new investigation on a new place, sending in different undercovers, and gathering enough evidence before they can actually bust the place.

[johnpet]

It seems to me in all these cases that LE seems to go for bang for the buck. They want multiple arrests. I think the safest method is incall indies. I don't think LE has the budget to justify just arresting one girl. It also appears to be just too much bs for LE to put up a fake website, have an undercover female office pose as an idea and wait for John's to call and show up. When picking up SW's you're just asking to get harrassed. But these are due to neighborhood complaints. Cops have to appear like they're making an effort.

I also don't think you can get arrested simply by picking up a known SW. Hell, she could be your sister or gf. Or nothing to go through. My buddies who frequent the sw scene will often take one around the block then drop her ass off. Either bad attitude or a variety of other reasons.

[pjorourke]

the safest method is incall indies. Make that outcall indies. I've heard of incall stings, never an outcall one.

[Wwanderer]

Make that outcall indies. I've heard of incall stings, never an outcall one.

And make that for customers. I have heard of outcall stings against providers...but never customers.

And, if you really want to be safe from busts, just go to some more civilized (in this sense) country and party away without any sort of LE worrries. (Not always a practical option, I know, but it is the safest one.)

-Ww

[johnpet]

I've found it's safer and worth is just to pony up a little more dough and go with a quality independent incall girl who works out of her home or apartment. There seems to be no shortage of them in my city. I would imagine an undercover female cop who went through the trouble to get a website (that's how I do my searching) would actually not try to throw too many roadblocks up when I called to make an appointment. And in fact my radar would indeed be up if I called a quality (8+) indie girl who didn't screen the living crap out of me. Most want references. Can't produce them? You're in trouble. So I do indeed feel extremely safe when I contact an indie who puts me through the ringer. This would arguably be the best odds against not getting busted by LE.

And if you really want to be safe and do a little homework just check out the website. For example, if I wanted to check on Callie: http://www.2hot2sexy.com/amateur/callie/ I can just plug in the website info in networksolutions.com and come up with this info: http://www.networksolutions.com/en_US/whois/results.jhtml;jsessionid=PSUEQCMLN1OQ4CWMEAQSFEY?whoistoken=0&_requestid=380227 This gives me all the contact info for who owns the site (nice to have in case I get ripped off) and also shows me how long the site's been up. You can type in any domain name in here: http://www.networksolutions.com/en_US/whois/index.jhtml and come up with who owns any site on the internet.

[Wwanderer]

I've found it's safer and worth it just to pony up a little more dough and go with a quality independent incall girl ... This would arguably be the best odds against not getting busted by LE.

I completely agree that paying more and going with a "quality" independent greatly improves your odds; LE targets that part of the market only rather rarely it seems.

However, I'd say that outcall from the same sort of providers is at least marginally safer. This is because LE usually goes to great length to make sure that such stings (which are somewhat risky and relatively expensive in terms of their resources) are 1) as safe as possible for the undercover policewoman posing as a provider and 2) produce as much solid evidence as possible to ensure convictions. This means both having a substantial number of well armed officers very nearby so that they can intervene extremely quickly if needed and having the venue of your meeting, and its vicinity, heavily wired with audio and usually video surveillance gear. Obviously both are very much easier to arrange in a incall sting (against the customer) set-up in which they can make their preparations at their leisure and well in advance, as opposed to an outcall one in which they have to mount the operation on short notice and in an unpredictable location.

Basically, this is the same reason that LE busts upscale indie providers in outcall set-ups; they can pick the place and time and make their preparations in advance...just the opposite applies if they were after the customers.

And if you really want to be safe and do a little homework just check out the website.

This is an excellent idea (which can equally well be used in checking out your outcall dates, of course), but no one should think it is foolproof. Police undercover work routinely involves producing much more elaborate and extensive misinformation than arranging for a false entry in a domain name registry.

All the above notwithstanding, I think you are extremely safe with the approach you describe...probably safe enough to justify not being seriously concerned about LE.

-Ww

[blondekelly]

Make that outcall indies. I've heard of incall stings, never an outcall one.I have never heard of an Indie girl getting busted, and by Indie I mean just her in her private apartment. Does this happen? If it does I do not think it happens often unless something else is going on as well.

[Cloud Nine]

It happens. Coyote Girl comes to mind.

[Casper]

It happens. Coyote Girl comes to mind.

It wasn't an apartment in a big city but a home in a neighborhood with most likely extremely nosey neighbors. Plus the fact that she seemed to do very little screening.

[johnpet]

I've never heard of a case were an indie girl working from her home has been busted. Although obviously it happens. Probably extremely rare and absolutely involving a neighbor complaint. But I also would imagine that a complaint like that would involve a male undercover officer going in, setting her up and busting her. That would not involve me. Unless I happened simply to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Then proove she's not my g/f. I feel extremely safe from LE when going to an indie's house. I also would like to think that after as many years in this game as I've invested I'd be able to smell bacon as soon as I walked into her house if I was being set up. I've watched a few of those Fox undercover shows where they have motels set up to sting John's. They all look like morons. Not the sharpest bunch of guys.

[Slinky Bender]

I've hard of several instances of indie girls being busted in their own apartments, but it is much more rare than any of the other busts I've heard of.

[Wwanderer]

Repeating the basic point in my previous point, LE prefers to make busts on turf of their own choosing and to which they have extensive access in advance to make their preparations (to protect the undercover officers and gather evidence). This implies that a provider is more likely to be arrested in an outcall sting, and a customer is more likely to be arrested in an incall sting.

-Ww

[johnpet]

Frozen shit from an airplane can hit me in the head and kill me if you want to talk odds. Do your due diligence, visits indies at their homes and it's as close to bust-proof as you're gonna get in this business.

[Lou Grant]

Frozen shit from an airplane can hit me in the head and kill me if you want to talk odds.

Or maybe body parts from a stowaway.

[Wwanderer]

Frozen shit from an airplane can hit me in the head and kill me if you want to talk odds. Do your due diligence, visits indies at their homes and it's as close to bust-proof as you're gonna get in this business.

Although I still think seeing upscale indies in one's (upscale) hotel room is at least marginally less likely to get you busted, I agree with your basic point. Either way it is safe enough that you shouldn't worry about it. You are probably more likely to be killed in a traffic accident en route to your encounter than to get arrested...which is perhaps a different argument for outcall; she has to take the transportation associated risks. ;)

-Ww

[pjorourke]

which is perhaps a different argument for outcall; she has to take the transportation associated risks.ROTFLMAO

[johnpet]

The bottom line is to minimize the risk and maximize the pleasure. Which is why the AMP scene confuses me. I pay just as much (if not more) for a simply hj there then with an 8+ indie.

[justme]

ROTFLMAO

Actuary geek

[Mr. User Name]

I have never heard of an Indie girl being busted,........
Has anyone noted that Kelly has been (extremely well) busted since she was 12 yo.

[TC123]

I'm sure her male junior high school teachers all did.

[fumpton]

and her female gym teacher

[rhtinnj]

I had an experience at an AMP in New York several years ago. After everything had happend and just as I am getting ready to get dressed again, the girl, who had left the room, runs in, grabs all of my clothes, grabs me and puts me in the closet in the dark and hands me all of my clothes. I proceed to stand there naked peering through the crack in the door as the cops go through the entire place. Since no customers were found (fortunately for me), they asked a few questions and left. After they left, I go back in and sit on the bed while my pulse returns to nomal. The girls are acting likes it is no big deal and tell me that an ex worker was calling 911 on them because she was upset with how they had treated her. I then had to walk through the cops that were still standing around the main entrance (three floors down) and act like I was just another person leaving the building.

That is the closest I have ever come to being busted. Kept me away from AMP's for at least a week or so.

[Bandaid]

The bottom line is to minimize the risk and maximize the pleasure. Which is why the AMP scene confuses me. I pay just as much (if not more) for a simply hj there then with an 8+ indie.
That's not my experience (with a little luck). I get a great experience with my current AMP favorite (cute) for $180. I couldn't do tht well with an indie, and I'd take just as much risk of a lousy session. I think the bust risk is low enough I don't worry about it.

[johnpet]

That last indie I saw was an ex-stripper. Very hot blonde - definitely an 8+. $120 for a fantastic hj session. That's less then what I could get away of the local AMP's in my city and you have no idea who you're gonna get. And I have to worry more about getting busted. There's another indie I was before her who was $80 for a half hour hj session. She was only a 7 in looks but nice body and young. Maybe things are cheaper in Baltimore?

[frog]

More examples of over government of course, but this new post 9/11 police state might be the single most everlasting effect of terrorism.

[Wolfie]

lmao one week

question for others
am i not allowed to start new topics now?
i started 2 today and i guess the moderator erased them
was wondering where there are some goon non AMP's in central jersey
other than Nirvana

[TC123]

Wolfie, you're not a "Rules Girl", are you?

[johnpet]

Wow. Even I know better than that.

[oddfellow4870]

More examples of over government of course, but this new post 9/11 police state might be the single most everlasting effect of terrorism.

Please don't introduce politics into this forum... I'll bitch slap you silly. Police state? geez .. sort of like calling gitmo a Gulag. Pulllease .........

[Bandaid]

More examples of over government of course, but this new post 9/11 police state might be the single most everlasting effect of terrorism.
I agree politics shouldn't go here, but I just couldn't stop myself. Only someone who never lived in a police state could say that. Anybody that lived under the Stasi or the Komitet Gosudarstvennoi Bezopaznost would laugh in your face.

[TC123]

And fart in your general direction.

[damnnightmare]

never arrested..

both were at ug events, one was where the host had an illegal use of a street barricade on the street to secure a parking space.. while they ran everyone else's id, they did not see me in the corner..

the other one was due to an angry customer calling in a fake assault charge, no one got arrested and they just closed the club down for the night and it was never used by a promoter again...

[its_mousey]

Been busted but let go.

I can't believe I actually wrote about it too! http://utopiaguide.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18248

The thing that stood out the most:

While one cop was busy trying to save my soul by convincing me to come down and check out his church, another cop just waived the whole thing off by suggesting that I'm better off renting DVDs and using a hand gel because "It's awshum! You wouldn't know the difference!"

*Squeak!*

[frog]

wow, must feel good to threaten bitch slaps over the net :) more power to you sir

[its_mousey]

And fart in your general direction.

With an overly French accent.

[thecat]

yep, once back in the early 80's and ed koch was mayor. i was
going to work in brooklyn west side hyw was backed up, so
i detoured around by the lincoln tunnel. i hot looking chick flashed a
boob waved me over and she got in. she had my member out and just as she was going to go down on me a cop tapped his stick on my driver side
window. i scrambled to look presentable, but too late he had us outside the car
handcuffed through the passenger side windows it was a four door.
so here i'am handcuffed to this chick with her top still down as the tunnel
traffic builds and people are staring, mothers covering their kids eyes and
truckers honking. the cop comes back after 5 mins.with coffee, writes me out a ticket for patronizing uncuffs us and walks away with the babe, it almost felt like a setup. anyway she tells me that we will finish this after court.
i was the only one to show up at court with some other johns, a friend said he heard my name on the radio. she was hot.

[MegaSquirt]

People....first of all-I like to introduce myself, I am 'MegaSquirt' and I've been to all of these places over the years and never been busted. Knock on wood! This is why I just concentrate on one girl. If I like her I make sure I don't leave without getting her phone number. We became best friends that I've been to her family's house on the west coast and we go on vacations together. She worked at a Spa only to enlist a few friends, once she gets to know you she will invite you over to her apt. This is how she do her business. I never had to worry about somebody busting the place down. I mean how could you perform up to par if you had to worry about LE entering? We did everything that's in the book and off! She's a true rare find, beyond a GFE!

[Tcat425]

It also varies tremendously by location.

In NYV, the Johns don't have much to worry about (unless you're in a car picking up a SW).

On LI or in NJ, it's a different matter entirely.

And now to go back to one of my rants:

If a place has been busted 25 times, and keeps the same listed phone number, it's obviously just something that they expect in the business. And for such a place, how could anyone think that its PMB discussion which is their main risk?

They rarely if ever take in a john. In over 20 years I have only seen one and he solicited a minor. They will seek a statement that she solicited the guy and if the dick signs it they let him go. If he doesn't, they fuck around and make cop sounds for about 2 hours and let them both go. Best thing to do is ask if you are arrested and if they say no tell them you want to leave and if they again say no tell them you want to call your lawyer and if you have a cell phone on you do that pronto.

[madvex]

Once in Bloomfield, I was banging a dancer in the back of my truck in a large shopping center parking lot not far from the bar where she "worked". She was not interested in a hotel this night, so...

Anyway, we're in the middle of our Consumer Reports testing of the shocks when a hear a knock-knock-knocking on my front window (all the windows are tinted, so I'm sure noone could see inside).

So, I jumped in the front seat w/ Mr. Johnson flopping in the wind and slid the window down a bit - there's Mr. Officer, looking at me with a very stern demeanor and asking what I was doing here.

I politely told him that we had been shopping and could not wait to get home.. one of those things, ya know how it is, right officer? He did not know.. of course. He just looked at the girl who was still in the back seat, and asked her if she wanted to be there/here. She was covering herself up with her hands as the cop oggled her and responded with a nod and a yes.

He then looked back at me and said roughly, "get out of here... now". Yes Sir! Right away sir.. and off we went still nude. Phew.. close one I thought!

So, we bolted, drove down the ave a bit, but she insisted on blowing me and was soaking my seat in saliva (who am I to say no to a sloppy knobber!) and ended up in another parking lot just a few miles way where we finished the shock testing.

I was waiting the entire time for the same cop to find us again (we were still in the same town). But, luck was on my side this day.

He never asked for IDs, or really even gave us a hard time - just made us leave.

[Bandaid]

Madvex, my hat's off to anybody who can still keep going after an encounter with The Man. I agree with the earlier poster that johns seldom get actually busted. I wish I knew how many of those actuallly busted (in the responses above) were providers and the circumstances.

[TC123]

Madvex, my hat's off to anybody who can still keep going after an encounter with The Man.

Yeah. After my near-miss, little TC was like a scared turtle for a while.

[rob load]

I feel pretty "safe" using only services and MP's. I believe though if you patronize SW's your odds of getting busted increase greatly......

[genius]

I feel pretty "safe" using only services and MP's. I believe though if you patronize SW's your odds of getting busted increase greatly......I agree with you that the odds of getting busted are higher in the SW scene. In fact, the 3 "near misses" I've had in the past 20 years involved SW's (2 decoys and one LE seen pickup). I think the odds greatly increase in the SW scene if your profile doesnt fit that of the area you are in, e.g. an older white face driving in or out of a predominately black area with a younger black face in the car.

A story from a fellow monger (ex-poster here - unfortunately, IMHO, banned) who I introduced to the N Amityville area shows the extreme that LE takes profiling. The situation is at a Exxon gas station at the intersection of route 110 and Great Neck road in Farmingdale. Although this particular place doesnt have SW's (at least in my observations anyway), driving South(rt110) or SouthEast (GNRd)about a mile brings you into SW country of N Amityville.

His story as told to me:

"... I also fill up there since I like using my Mobil/Exxon speedpass. ...I stop at the gas station to fill up and the car in front of me is the same make and model of mine. It was driven by a young black woman. When she gets back to her car from paying I engage her in a conversation about our cars being the same. We are chatting and a cop car pulls in and see's us talking. He gives a double take and slows down and looks her over. She notices this and gets visibly upset. I could see it in her face. Then she asks me "What was all that about?, What he doesn't think we should be talking?" I took it to mean she was talking about us being different races, but I knew the cop probably assumed she was a ho trying to negotiate with me. Or was that just the hobbyist in me coloring my thinking? But the cop did take notice of us and he did react."

[Bandaid]

Maybe the cop remembers miscegenation laws and wishes they'd come back. Jerk. Maybe he saw that it was a full service station and your dipstick would be checked.

They definitely profile. The SW scene has to be by far the most likely bust territory. If the poll eliminated SW's, I bet the percentage who had never been caught up would be over 90%, maybe 95%.

[ekual2003]

I used to frequent this massage parlor (MP) in Clifton, on Paulison Ave, about 3 years ago. So, I decided to go for a visit, rang the door bell, nobody answered. Didnt see any cars in the lot also. As I was walking back to my car, on the side of the building was a large orange ticket, it said something like "police inspected, building requires license", not sure exactly. So I got in my car and left.

As I was pulling out, on to Paulison Ave, near the path mark, 2 un-marked cop cars are right behind me with there lights flashing in the front windshield. They tell me to get out of the car and here are 2 undercover police officer's asking for my license and registration. So, I show them, they do a check on me and all came out fine. They start questioning me, asking what I was doing at that building?. I said that a friend of mine gave me that address to come visit him, but I guess he gave me the wrong one. I asked, what did I do? Why was I pulled over? Making like I had no idea that was once a massage parlor or any clue about it at all. They told me the property is police property and I shouldnt have been there. So, I just said sorry, I had no idea....and I was given the wrong address by a friend. They just told me to get back in my car and take off.

That was the closest I ever been to being busted.

But what could they have possibly done to me? I could have told them I was going to get a massage. Would that have gotten me busted? Its not like I was inside the place.........

"Yea fellas, sorry I didnt know Clifton's finest has shut the place down, I just wanted to get my usual rub & tug"

What could they have done if I said that? haha

[genius]

...rang the door bell, nobody answered. Didnt see any cars in the lot also. As I was walking back to my car, on the side of the building was a large orange ticket, it said something like "police inspected, building requires license", not sure exactly.... I was pulling out, on to Paulison Ave, near the path mark, 2 un-marked cop cars are right behind me with there lights flashing in the front windshield. They tell me to get out of the car and here are 2 undercover police officer's asking for my license and registration. So, I show them, they do a check on me and all came out fine. They start questioning me, asking what I was doing at that building?. I said that a friend of mine gave me that address to come visit him, but I guess he gave me the wrong one. ...But what could they have possibly done to me? I could have told them I was going to get a massage. Would that have gotten me busted? Its not like I was inside the place.......I do not think it is wise to lie to police, especially if the lie can be verified (Does your friend "know" the story and is he willing to lie also for something he isnt involved in should it come to that? I wouldnt want to put a friend in that situation.). It is not illegal to get a massage. "I was going to check how much they get for a massage, check out the facilities, ya know see how clean and professional they look, see if they have a sauna and and if every seemed ok get a massage." You can then ask the officer if you wish whats going on - why is orange tag on the place if you wish.

[daengman]

In yesterday's paper there was a story about a class action court cast about illegal strip searches in NYC by pd. 30 million was awarded. this applies to individuals who were strip searched between 15 july 99 and 22 july 02. The payout is estimated to be 1000 per.

any reader of this board that this applies to should apply. the procedure for application was in yesterday's newspapers.

I think that it would be true justice that a guy gets arrested for hobbying activities, then, several years later can collect money based on that arrest, and then use that money for hobbying.

[TheNewAnimal]

Caught twice...downtown central booking once...

[kicksave]

I was down in one of my old haunts......Queens/brooklyn border.
circled around a few times and boom get ESU right behind me with there lights on.
now these guys you dont F. with. they say whatca doing here, I say just driving thru, they say we saw you circle 3 times and that reason enough to search and they did...thru my stuff all over the car.then they said they would escort me out.....and next time i gonna get locked up.....i just said ok to EVERYTHING.....Followed me about 1 mile into queens then they pulled off of me.....took me about 2 weeks to go back.......lol

[Bandaid]

The next poll ought to be "where were you ever busted?" The answer is going to be about 98-99% "street."

[BIGROD]

I isually go to the underground strip parties mostly and so far 3 of them were busted. Lucky for me I did not happen to attend on those days. There have also been a couple days when the cops showed up because once a angry customer called the cops and other time a angry stripper called the cops. On those occassions the cops just checled out the place and left.

[BoredDan]

Have you ever been busted?


This is for both providers and hobbyists - I posted in originally on a different topic, but don't know how to move it here (or if it's possible):
Busted? Hope it don't ever happen.
In reference to hobbying or anything else, here's a valuable suggestion that you'll probably unwisely ignore if you're ever arrestted for anything: JUST SHUT UP. You have the right to remain silent. USE IT. They are not "going to go easy on you" if you talk; their goal is to make an arrest that will stick. Period - that's how Mr. LE gets promotions. Your confession / admission helps them out. They are not your friends. Without you shooting off your mouth, either with stupid & incredible denials or tearful confessions, even if LE has an otherwise strong case against you, your ability to plea it down to something without a social stigma is a lot stronger. With it, the State has less (if any) motivation to plea it to trespassing or something. Fact: 94% of convictions are obtained based on statements made by the defendant post-arrest. Do what you will, but the above is gospel - although much of what's on TV about the law is complete BS, ever notice a common theme on Law & Order & similar show(s): A frustrated cop saying "He lawyered up before we could get a statement." Just say "I assert my right to counsel. I want to speak to a lawyer as soon as possible. I have nothing else to say." Period. Zippo. End of story. Many people know this, few follow it under the pressure of it actually going down.

Oh yeah, and avoid SW's, stick with reputable agencies. Cheaper in the long run in many ways.

[BoredDan]

People....first of all-I like to introduce myself, I am 'MegaSquirt' and I've been to all of these places over the years and never been busted. Knock on wood! This is why I just concentrate on one girl. If I like her I make sure I don't leave without getting her phone number. We became best friends that I've been to her family's house on the west coast and we go on vacations together. She worked at a Spa only to enlist a few friends, once she gets to know you she will invite you over to her apt. This is how she do her business. I never had to worry about somebody busting the place down. I mean how could you perform up to par if you had to worry about LE entering? We did everything that's in the book and off! She's a true rare find, beyond a GFE!

Does she have any friends, 19-23 in Mercer / Middlesex? So long as you can maintain the right emotional wall, it sounds like heaven. Wish all providers were like that....

[bagleel1]

Was picked up outside an AMP in an apartment building. I was questioned and released. When the officer asked what was in my pocket, I told him it was a used condom, so he never actually confiscated the evidence. The other customers, as I saw, were dropping their wrappers outside the front door. I don't think the neighbors appreciated it.

Once while parked curbside with a SW, a patrol car pulled up behind with his lights on. He said over the PA, "Knob alert! Knob alert!". After the girl got out of my car and ran off with the money, the officer drove off.

[JIMYDR]

Caught twice...downtown central booking once...

Twice!??

[Bandaid]

Why does your name come up as posting on such a frequent basis, Jimy? Are you answering the poll multiple times? Are you getting busted that often, or do you want the arrest numbers to go up?

[Bandaid]

I see what's happening now, because it's happening to me - the last guy who posted keeps showing up.

I wonder if someone's been getting busted a lot. The "never been busted" was well above 80%, but it's slipped to 79.4%.

[LushWet]

Been at the scene twice, but never busted. Once place was actually busted outside while I was inside. They came in while a girl was leaving, and she stopped in the doorway where they started busting her. Seems the exiting UCLE had stiffed her onhis way out, and she was following him. I slipped out back and ended up in the parking lot. Got yelled at as part of the general "scene management" but not accused of anything.

Second time was a raid on 32nd between 6 and 7 many years ago... asianplace, half high walls, standalone shower in the middle of the floor. You might remember it - was set up like a fashion showroom with mirrors and stuff, and then a vast space full of makeshift rooms. Whiney guy in the next "room" complaining to his girl that he didn't like her but she wouldn't listen, so my girlie and I are laughing when all hell breaks out.. like beatlemania with these china girls screeching and running. There were ALOT of people in there getting banged (way more than I would have ever thought). LE banging on these temp walls was like an earthquake (that was my actual thought at the time). My Chinagal actually grabbed my hand and ran behind the wall, into a short hallway with green glass doors and to an old office (promotional pen company? Really old, really dirty). It felt like the old Daily Planet building from the Original Superman TV show. Anyway it was completely separate and quiet part of the building. She had grabbed a bag onher way out, threw on some street clothes, and we left out the stairs. Didn't see anyone or anything as I exited on the street. I didn't dare walk back around front at the time.

Since then I have had a better appreciation for the way cockroaches live in the walls, and a better appreciation for the survival insticts of a professional provider.

[Bandaid]

Those make great stories, Lush, but I'll bet it wasn't half as funny at the time.

[bigted6000]

Had a run-in with LE for my first-ever provider experience. I was 19 years old, and one of the older guys from my summer job took me to a strip club. Afterwards (after lots of tequila) we go cruising for SW's on the West Side. Pick up a not-at-all slim SW and pull into a nasty little lot off 10th Avenue. I get out of the car, beer in hand, and wait on the corner, while he gets his knob polished. Watch as the cops pull up right behind him in a van, and light up the car with floodlights. I try to stroll away looking nonchalant--not too easy at 19 y/o with a 40 in my hand and scared shitless--and the cops stop me. Bottom line: they let us both go after busting my buddy's balls for getting a BJ with his seat belt on.

Hilarious.

[crzy9nyurmth]

Yes I was busted by the man. The first time I was at latina chica house in Queens. I was in the little room with my the chica when we heard a huge commotion outside our door. Luckily, we had already finished and were already in the process of getting dressed. The cops knock down ther door to our room and we were just sitting there. I put my hands up and the cop said to get out. I calmly stood up and walked out of the house and never looked back. Funny part is my buddy was in the waiting area and left when they came in. He left without looking back and we spent 30 minutes trying to find each other afterwards.

The second was less comical. I was in hempstead and a nice girl was standing over by the car dealership on Franklin, just past terrace ave. I asked all the standard SW questions and she said "no". Then gave me the dreaded "pull up around the block I will meet you there." Needless to say the cops didnt care who lied. They took me and my car to the station. I pulled some strings and got it thrown out. No big deal. I wasnt married then and to be honest I wasnt upset that I got caught, I was more upset that the cops lied. Maybe OJ is innocent..just kidding.

The third was a close call. It was back in the hey day of SW, the early 90s on the westside where cars would be backed up for blocks looking at the girls over by the intrepid on 9th and 10th ave between 44th and 49th. Pimps on every corner, 20-25 bjs. Ha, I digress. Anyway. I had a huge chevy 4 door malibu. The front seat was a bench and I picked up this gorgeous brunette. As soon as she got in my car a crusier pulled up next to us and she ducked. She went into a ball and hid under my dashboard for what seemed like an eternity. I stayed in the driver seat, pretending to wait for traffic to clear so I could pull out. Something else got their attention and the cruiser pulled away.

Last time..Well since I am rambling..One time I was in Brooklyn over by the Galaxy Motel..and it was really dead. My bladder felt like it was going to explode, nothing was open and all the businesses there were getting ready to open. In a final act of desperation, I grabbed a bottle of gatorade and started to "filler up". Just then a cab with 4 badly dressed guys swooped by and pulled up just ahead of me. They all got out and began to walk towards me. I am still peeing in the bottle trying to maintain my aim and they are trying to get my attention. Finally, I pinch it and hold the almost full bottle up so they can see. They turnaround, get back into the cab and pull away. I then returned to my relief and promptly pissed all over my dashboard and radio. Its a tough life.

[NJspas]

Once visited an Asian place that must was busted just before i got there. Broken bric-brac on the floor. The girl told me they grabbed some girls who were right in the middle of the act. The ones not working were left alone.

[SlickWilly]

Once visited an Asian place that must was busted just before i got there. Broken bric-brac on the floor. The girl told me they grabbed some girls who were right in the middle of the act. The ones not working were left alone.

Now that's what I call a really close call!

[busterhyman]

I was in the Keystone Cafe in

[fq300]

just a quick bump for 2 quick stories. About 3 years ago, my gf and I had actually been shopping and she suggested we stop someplace before I dropped her off at home. We found this empty parking lot right near roosevelt field mall, it was late, so figured who would know? Well, they knew. About 15 minutes in we here the not so nice tap. I roll the window down, and the cop asks what the f7ck are we doing. I said this is my gf, and we are very sorry. He asks her to get dressed and get out of the car. She does, and standing outside, he asks her who she is, if she was ok and was she ok being there. He then asked me her name, her birthday, etc. No harm no foul.

Second time, we were at a strip club, and I guess we both got hot and bothered. Went around the block and parked (I was in a sports car, and I guess this was a not so nice neighborhood right by the 59th street bridge). Street is residential but its late....so she starts to give me a bj, and i see the lights. Uh oh. He messages both of us on the bullhorn to get out of the car. We do, and he chastizes us for 45 minutes, asking why I am picking up sw's. I insist she is not, even pointing out in our licenses we both have the same address. Go through the whole thing, runs my plates, asks if the car is mine, blah blah blah. Again, let us go. Even though I was totally in the clear on both occassions it scared the living daylights out of me

[Bandaid]

Some of the stories prove the obvious that the street is where the danger of getting busted is. The danger of anything, actually.

[HeatGuyJ34]

i got caught up in a bust of an UG strip party in harlem. it got VERY ugly.

LE came in with riot gear, guns drawn, with a chainsaw and sldgehammers..lol

knocking down the vip room doors, they cut the bar open with the saw too.

arrested ALL of the working girls, and chain-ganged them all together and paraded them to the van outside, butt naked in winter cold.

3 hrs later, i got out after they ran me clean. it was soo not worth all the trouble.

[DaveNJ]

Been busted. Not for hobbying though.

[BillyBonker]

Got caught in an incall about 10 years ago, I was in the waiting room area and the cops told me to leave, and I did. I never looked backed.

[lho_oswald]

About 7 years ago I was in a Asian brothel on 40th between 5&6th Ave in NYC when it got busted. I was just finshed and getting dressed when I heard a dozen or so Asian women yelling and crying. THis plain clothes cop asks me what I'm doing there and I was honest with him. He looked at my license and frisked me for weapons and then let me go. It happened at 6pm on a Wednesday evening.

It was my first hobbying adventure in NYC.