Julie's Busted [Archive]

Ozzy

01-31-2005, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by dahmer
The article I read claimed there was a 15 year old and maybe other ********d. That is probably BS. There was one young girl there. She was the phone girl and assistant. Cut YOUNG Russian girl. I asked if she was working and Lola smacked me and told me she was only a child. I apologized and was very embarrassed. That is who they are probably talking about in the bust. The news twists stories and makes thign sound different. It reads like Julies hired alot of ********d escorts. Which was not the case. Infact way too many of her girls were way overaged. I spoke to Lola the other day and she told me she has not worked at Julies in months. They got so many new girls she had very little work and she is Indy now. UTR. Another one bites the dust.

I'm not making any additional accusations here.... but we ALL know of at least one girl who worked at Julies who didn't blow out 18 candles on any of her cakes.

I was also told about two years ago by a very old client of Julies that she had private private stock girls stashed away in apt's for SPECIAL clients who wanted something other than the ordinary. He didn't say it but he hinted that this very thing she's accused of was going on as well as a few other things.

But hey... it all must be bullshit because Julie is a saint.

dahmer

01-31-2005, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by Ozzy
I'm not making any additional accusations here.... but we ALL know of at least one girl who worked at Julies who didn't blow out 18 candles on any of her cakes.

I was also told about two years ago by a very old client of Julies that she had private private stock girls stashed away in apt's for SPECIAL clients who wanted something other than the ordinary. He didn't say it but he hinted that this very thing she's accused of was going on as well as a few other things.

But hey... it all must be bullshit because Julie is a saint.

Really???!! If that is true I withdraw my statements. Let that bitch hang!!!! I cannot stand shit like that. Fucking pedophiles! It one thing to be fooled by a well dressed hot 17 year old into believing she is 18+, but to actually ask for a 15 year old???? That is sick. What was her name???? Was she on the site? Don't tell me it was Briana. She did look young as hell. But she must have had 1000+ customers, just look at how many reviews were left for her and we all know not every client leaves reviews.

MrSteve

01-31-2005, 03:48 PM

dahmer writes:
The article I read claimed there was a 15 year old and maybe other ********d. That is probably BS.

I'd say it's a good bet it is. The same article at first said Julie was 29 years old. This girl they say worked there wasn't found there. My guess is the girl might have approached for work and was turned down. No need to hire an ******** girl and jepordize anything...when you are already running a successful business for 10 years. None. Someone got a hard on for these houses and as was already said..New competition or someone who needed more business. Just my take. Fact is one of the most (if not the most) customer friendly house is gone for good. One question..why do they never bust the TS providers? Or do they?

MrSteve

01-31-2005, 03:51 PM

Ozzy writes:

I'm not making any additional accusations here.... but we ALL know of at least one girl who worked at Julies who didn't blow out 18 candles on any of her cakes.

Care to list a name or two?

MrSteve

01-31-2005, 03:53 PM

Ozzy
Gold
My Brazilain friends who got busted and were here on tourist visa's weren't deported. They were told by LE that the first bust is a freebie. Next time they won't even go to jail... they'll get put right the first plane back to Brazil..... That's what happened to Alini Rosa a year or so back.

Was this pre 9/11? I've heard from an attorney that the new immigration laws aren't as freindly to illegals.

jseah

01-31-2005, 03:54 PM

I think he is talking about the sting at the W a couple of months back

capitan

01-31-2005, 03:58 PM

Gentlemen...please, let's not jump to conclusions....none of us have the facts at hand...it is only speculation and heresay.

I have never been there, so I am NOT an authority in these matters...but the innocent shall reamain as such,until proven otherwise guilty.

Straight ahead,
Capy

Ozzy

01-31-2005, 04:08 PM

Originally posted by MrSteve

Care to list a name or two?

HEAVEN

Do a search right here on UG and you'll see for yourself.... you'll find it posted by some of Julies own clients. Though at the time they weren't accusing Julie but rather accusing another agency of selling heaven.... Thing is she worked for Julie FIRST for about a year before she worked for this other agency.

Ozzy

01-31-2005, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by jseah
I think he is talking about the sting at the W a couple of months back

Yes....

Both girls were let go with a slap on the wrist (not even). One is still here in NYC and the other decided to return to Brazil till the heat dies down.

genius

01-31-2005, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by jseah
If they were here on a tourist visa or overstayed their visa, they'll probably get deported. Might be the case as well if they were here on a student visa.

I think....even if it was just a misdemeanor that they got charged with.....they're put onto the no entry list for a minimum of 10 years? Everyone seems to leave out the fact that it is a crime (and a more serious one than prostitution) to not report significant amounts of income. That's how they got Capone ya know.

pervert7

01-31-2005, 04:39 PM

omg i hope she paid taxes, if not she's getting locked up, regardless they're gonna loot her bank accounts take her house and what not..

***if i ran this type of bizness***

I would rent, keep all my cash hidden in a hole somewhere..I would let no one know where it is...I would also give 300 000 to close family for emergency bail money...After im released i'll stealth my way to my millions that i hid somewhere very safe upstate..I would then make my way to canada, take a boat to Bc, then fly to iceland then to another country that i wont tell you :) One where you cant be extradited for something under murder or rape.. would donate some cash to that government and thn start my biz all over there....Rinse and Repeat till your 100

lol

Ozzy

01-31-2005, 04:43 PM

I know several bookies who have been busted and yet they didn't get charged with laundering or tax evasion...... Why?

firecracker

01-31-2005, 05:09 PM

Originally posted by Ozzy
I know several bookies who have been busted and yet they didn't get charged with laundering or tax evasion...... Why?

Because they probably ratted-out someone higher on the food chain. See what I learned from Law & Order reruns!

erueru

01-31-2005, 05:17 PM

Let's go to the videotape!
BTW, the neighbor's good for a laugh, no?
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/wabc_012805_prostitutionringbust.html#

bklyn69

01-31-2005, 05:31 PM

At what time did the bust take place (I heard in the evening) ? I have a feeling it took place when the day shift was ending and evening shift was about to begin which would be 6pm. That would mean most if not all of the girls who were scheduled for the day would be there.

Have the girls/guys been released (I assume they have by now) ? Any chance some of the girls will go Indie in the near future or that Julie will come back like the Phoenix ?

Ozzy

01-31-2005, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by erueru
Let's go to the videotape!
BTW, the neighbor's good for a laugh, no?
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/wabc_012805_prostitutionringbust.html#

Can someone find a link to the NBC report from today's live at five program? The one with Julie turning herself in and later leaving in handcuffs.

sharked

01-31-2005, 05:59 PM

this has got to be the worst bust in recent NYC history.

I wish Julie the best, she has been nothing but kind and professional to all of us.

Truth

01-31-2005, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by Ozzy
I'm not making any additional accusations here....

I was also told about two years ago by a very old client of Julies that she had private private stock girls stashed away in apt's for SPECIAL clients who wanted something other than the ordinary. He didn't say it but he hinted that this very thing she's accused of was going on as well as a few other things.

But hey... it all must be bullshit because Julie is a saint.

Julie's was the first incall house i ever became a regular at. We were really cool until she got it in her head, whether on her own or through someone else, that i was talking shit about her place on ***, when i didn't even know what the fuck *** was. To make a long story short we had a falling out, if that's what you want to call me simply deciding to never go to her place again cuz i was insulted at her insinuations.

Having said that, the post above by Ozzy is one of the most pathetic, spine-less displays of kicking someone when they're down that i've ever seen. Ozzy had this "inside info" of some "lolita ring" she was supposedly running and he decides to post it here after Julie gets taken down.

That's some really low-life shit and i've lost the little respect i ever had for your fat, pathetic ass.

nycjohn25

01-31-2005, 06:52 PM

How did Julie get busted? Did they get her client list of names and numbers? I heard some johns were busted is this true?

bklyn69

01-31-2005, 07:03 PM

yeah, a few clients went to the slammer including a teacher and a prominent lawyer (the lawyer was identified in a Newsday online article).

MrSteve

01-31-2005, 07:05 PM

nycjohn25 writes:
yeah, a few clients went to the slammer including a teacher and a prominent lawyer (the lawyer was identified in a Newsday online article).

Well Julie always said she never kept last names and other important info. I guess we'll find out if she was telling the truth. She has always been honest as far as I know. Personally I hope she comes out of this as good as possible. In a business where many have been ripped off and been less than satisfied, she provided much for the hobbyists. Christmas discounts, contests, birthday rates. She was the best. If there is any better please let me know.

nycjohn25

01-31-2005, 07:14 PM

I thought the nypd never arrests a john? How much time are they going to serve? What about the girls? Are they going to do time? What about poor julie? What do you guys think?

bklyn69

01-31-2005, 07:14 PM

I know Shannon had some problems in Nov. with her family finding out about her "other" life. I can just imagine how they reacted when she was arrested (unless she left early that day).

Ozzy

01-31-2005, 07:25 PM

Originally posted by Truth
Julie's was the first incall house i ever became a regular at. We were really cool until she got it in her head, whether on her own or through someone else, that i was talking shit about her place on ***, when i didn't even know what the fuck *** was. To make a long story short we had a falling out, if that's what you want to call me simply deciding to never go to her place again cuz i was insulted at her insinuations.

Having said that, the post above by Ozzy is one of the most pathetic, spine-less displays of kicking someone when they're down that i've ever seen. Ozzy had this "inside info" of some "lolita ring" she was supposedly running and he decides to post it here after Julie gets taken down.

That's some really low-life shit and i've lost the little respect i ever had for your fat, pathetic ass.

Wait a second.... I wasn't going to get too into this but since you seem to have your scruples mixed up... let me get this straight.....

Julie sits accused of peddling under-aged girls...... But I'm a "low-life" simply for retelling a story told to me while at an ****** one night two years ago.... A story that matches the accusations of LE and what the press have been feeding us for several days now.

Are you the “source” who has been quoted in the papers saying that Julie is the “hooker with a heart of gold”, and how she gives more money to the needy than the red cross?

Now if I really wanted to kick someone when they're down I'd say something like this.....

This fucking wreck of a women that you immortalize, put every single one of you at risk by knowingly sending you into a room to have sex with a minor.... Do you fucking understand that regardless of whether or not you knew or whether or not you paid, that it is still considered statutory rape?

Whatever respect I had for you just got shot up as well..... There goes your invite to my next party.

nutsM

01-31-2005, 08:11 PM

Originally posted by Jimmy69
Hands down, this was the best incall house in the city. It will sorely be missed :(

Hoping all the best for Julie and the girls involved.

Wishing all the best for Julie and the girls, staff and the clients that were visiting at the time.

Don't the cops have more important terrorist related work to do?

nabbeun

01-31-2005, 08:32 PM

Originally posted by jseah
If they were here on a tourist visa or overstayed their visa, they'll probably get deported. Might be the case as well if they were here on a student visa.

I think....even if it was just a misdemeanor that they got charged with.....they're put onto the no entry list for a minimum of 10 years?

deportation per the letter of the law is for a min period of 5 or 10 years, depending on what they give you. but an ins agent i had consulted with once told me that if you get deported it is effectively for life...even if you are eligible after 5/10 years, when you apply for a visa they will never grant it.

nabbeun

01-31-2005, 08:45 PM

...i ever knew were 14 and 15yo girls back in jr high and high school. they didn't charge for it, they were just new at it and found they loved doing it. some where the "school sluts" that many guys would fuck and no one would date...others were still sluts but were respectable/popular because they only slept with the real good looking and popular guys. the only time it got out of hand was when they took another girls guy by enticing him with a good fucking to make the switch. and yes, a 15yo boy doing it with a 15yo girl, they stat raped each other.

no real point to that story, just an observation.

with respect to the julie story, i'm inclined to believe its bs. the key question is why would they risk a 10yr successful biz over a couple incremental $, when it is a sure hot button to the klink? No, it is just LE / the press seeking to demonize sex "crimes", because if they don't do so many would feel ambivalent about prosecuting it. that is why every story you read about busting an amp feels obligated to trot out the white-slavery/human trafficking bs line. and it's good PR hype - just like every drug bust is worth multi-millions, "street value"...

nabbeun

01-31-2005, 08:48 PM

...i guess preventing people with only cell# and not land lines didn't prove a real effective security tool...

darn it, at least i would have liked to see brianna/kasia/carolina b4 they got scattered to the wind...

nycjohn25

01-31-2005, 09:20 PM

Seriously, how do you guys think Julies got busted? In the newspaper there was a story of an undercover policewoman applying for work? Is that one of the ways she was busted? Or did a police officer became a regular customer and then afterwards busted her? They do have to catch julie in the act don't they?

bumw/ajob

02-04-2005, 09:32 AM

Thank God Utopiaguide is back. I was worried it was gone too. This has been a terrible week. Police stings targeting CL providers, has scared all the good working girls out of Westchester. Worst of all - the demise of Julies. I loved that place and I feel a profound sense of loss. Good luck to Julie and the girls. Thanks for the good times.

bklyn69

02-04-2005, 10:29 AM

I hope the forums stay up for more than a day this time.

Is Julie still in jail, I read a couple of days ago that she couldn't make the $500,000 bail. Now, they're saying she sold drugs. Did anyone speak with one of the girls ? We're starved for info here !

pinga

02-04-2005, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by nabbeun

with respect to the julie story, i'm inclined to believe its bs. the key question is why would they risk a 10yr successful biz over a couple incremental $, when it is a sure hot button to the klink? No, it is just LE / the press seeking to demonize sex "crimes", because if they don't do so many would feel ambivalent about prosecuting it. that is why every story you read about busting an amp feels obligated to trot out the white-slavery/human trafficking bs line. and it's good PR hype - just like every drug bust is worth multi-millions, "street value"... [/B] I agree that is what LE wants; no sympathy for Julie or others like her. 30 million please!! such BS and we all know that her girls were at best in their mid-twenties; ******** my ass. Jennifer was probably close to 50...............
I do want to wish Julie well. She was one of a kind and have only heard good things about her from her girls. Of course she must have had some enemies as well.....

pinga

02-04-2005, 04:46 PM

Damm...........I'll never get to see Ina.

vermeer

02-04-2005, 07:32 PM

She had hot new girls?? Every time I visited that site she had the same old slags.

Lola, if you are reasing this, please advertise here, so i can bang that sweet rican chocha

vermeer

02-04-2005, 07:41 PM

Ozzy IS a big fat asshole, BUT I believe what he's saying.

Julie always seemed to me like she would do anything for a buck, while pretending to be a sweetheart.

btw, most incall houses have very cosy relations with drug dealers who offer delivery service. some houses are probably more coke den than whorehouse.

Ozzy

02-04-2005, 08:22 PM

Vermeer....

I'm hurt.... I thought you liked me.

marquez156

02-04-2005, 11:47 PM

Originally posted by pinga
Damm...........I'll never get to see Ina.

me either, and I never had the chance to see Lexi either.

I hope Julie beats the rap and gets off with a good deal along with everyone else. I wish them all the best.

I made the boneheaded mistake of calling for an app't this past week. I hung up after four or five rings. Then I did a search and saw the news. The next morning there was an undercover cop car parked right in front of my crib. This is what LE is concentrating on??? What a waste.

bdfs

02-05-2005, 12:01 AM

Can LE come after any of the clients that werent there the day of the bust? Julie always said she just kept name and general description. Can they find out any information about anyone from
phone # or from her members section on her website

ODB

02-05-2005, 12:13 AM

Originally posted by bdfs
Can LE come after any of the clients that werent there the day of the bust? Julie always said she just kept name and general description. Can they find out any information about anyone from
phone # or from her members section on her website

Of course not, that only happens on Columbo.

Slinky Bender

02-05-2005, 01:20 AM

The single most valuable asset of any of these businesses is their client book. I heard of some independants selling thier cellphones for $5,000 for the phonebook inside (i.e. their client list).

That said, the likelihood of LE using any phonebook to go after Johns on patronizing prostitutes charges is miniscule. I would find it much more likely that contact would be made if there was some major crime and they wanted to collect info. For example, if it turned out some incall was a front for terrorist activities, I could see guys getting called in for questioning about what they saw in reference to those activities. Or if someone got murdered at an incall and someone had a notataion that they were there on the day it happened. Those ar the types of things where it would be worthwhile for LE to investigate. But I highly doubt LE is going to track thousands of customers for any incall just because their name appeared in the place's book. Can you imagine the resources that would take? OTOH, if someone was on some "watch list" anyway, and their name appeared in the book, if LE was looking for a reason to call them in, it might give them the excuse they were already looking for.

Captain Kirk

02-05-2005, 01:54 AM

I only went there to talk.

Captain Kirk

02-05-2005, 01:56 AM

Where or where will Brianna go?

bigguy3

02-05-2005, 02:13 AM

Originally posted by pinga
Damm...........I'll never get to see Ina.

i did get to see her a couple of weeks ago. she is definitely the hottest girl at julies and the service was above average. i did get mail from one of julies girls (don't want to say who but one of their private stock) via TER with her contact info.

Ozzy

02-05-2005, 06:04 AM

Originally posted by slinkybender
The single most valuable asset of any of these businesses is their client book. I heard of some independants selling thier cellphones for $5,000 for the phonebook inside (i.e. their client list).

That said, the likelihood of LE using any phonebook to go after Johns on patronizing prostitutes charges is miniscule. I would find it much more likely that contact would be made if there was some major crime and they wanted to collect info. For example, if it turned out some incall was a front for terrorist activities, I could see guys getting called in for questioning about what they saw in reference to those activities. Or if someone got murdered at an incall and someone had a notataion that they were there on the day it happened. Those ar the types of things where it would be worthwhile for LE to investigate. But I highly doubt LE is going to track thousands of customers for any incall just because their name appeared in the place's book. Can you imagine the resources that would take? OTOH, if someone was on some "watch list" anyway, and their name appeared in the book, if LE was looking for a reason to call them in, it might give them the excuse they were already looking for.

How about if the "Enterprise Coruption" count levied against Julie reached a certain level in LE or govt? I can see hookers and tricks being sought for info on who was paid and who was laid.

I think that's what all those PM's from so-called Julies girls on TER is all about.

skagen

02-05-2005, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by dahmer
Really???!! If that is true I withdraw my statements. Let that bitch hang!!!! I cannot stand shit like that. Fucking pedophiles! It one thing to be fooled by a well dressed hot 17 year old into believing she is 18+, but to actually ask for a 15 year old???? That is sick. What was her name???? Was she on the site? Don't tell me it was Briana. She did look young as hell. But she must have had 1000+ customers, just look at how many reviews were left for her and we all know not every client leaves reviews.

Dude, dont be gullible and go beliving everything you are told by - someone who has a history of hating on Julie, no less.

Majority of gals at Julie's were like at least 5 years older than they tell you, some like Domino or Jennifer probably 10 years older than stated age - no different than any other ho house.

Briana is probably nearing 30 in reality. Dont be fooled by the short stature. She ain't all THAT fresh - unless you're 50 yrs old and just cant judge 18 from 28 when you have a hard-on.

But then again, guys usally have no clue on womens stats or details. How do you think that women with C cup tits get advertised as DD? Because men believe everything they are told.

The other girl he is alluding to is Heaven. All speculation there is just that - aint nobody knows the truth on that story. I've met the gal a few times and I dont buy it.

And last I checked, Heaven left Julies............to become a star employee at Ozzy's best buddy's ho house. So let's not have pots calling kettles "black". Its really lame.

Ozzy

02-05-2005, 04:24 PM

You haven’t changed a bit… you’re still lying and obfuscating the truth.

Lets tell the truth for once shall we… Heaven worked for April in the spring of 2002............. A year or so AFTER she started a at Julies. And since Julie claimed to be her aunt, she would have known exactly how old she was no?. A little different than A’s case where she worked all of 10 days(?). And right after she hired her, people started talking about her age.... but you never said a word before that? There were no problems when you fucked her, but when she got to April all of a sudden there was a problem.

And you know damn well Heaven went back to Julies and continued working there. Then she was rumored to have walked an east side stroll for a time (20’s & Madison?), worked out of a Ford Explorer in the same area and then went back at Julies for a short stint not too long ago (spring ’04?).

So do you still want to go with your statement… "last I checked, Heaven left Julies............to become a star employee at Ozzy's best buddy's ho house."…

Ozzy

02-05-2005, 04:58 PM

And go back and read the thread... the ONLY girl I alluded to is Heaven. Never mentioned Briana. .

ODB

02-05-2005, 07:19 PM

Originally posted by skagen
Dude, dont be gullible and go beliving everything you are told by - someone who has a history of hating on Julie, no less.

Majority of gals at Julie's were like at least 5 years older than they tell you, some like Domino or Jennifer probably 10 years older than stated age - no different than any other ho house.

Briana is probably nearing 30 in reality. Dont be fooled by the short stature. She ain't all THAT fresh - unless you're 50 yrs old and just cant judge 18 from 28 when you have a hard-on.

But then again, guys usally have no clue on womens stats or details. How do you think that women with C cup tits get advertised as DD? Because men believe everything they are told.

The other girl he is alluding to is Heaven. All speculation there is just that - aint nobody knows the truth on that story. I've met the gal a few times and I dont buy it.

And last I checked, Heaven left Julies............to become a star employee at Ozzy's best buddy's ho house. So let's not have pots calling kettles "black". Its really lame.

At least April looked good enough to get paid and didn't pump her girls full of drugs.

Captain Kirk

02-05-2005, 10:04 PM

Enough of the fighting.
Anybody know if any agency is picking up Julies girls?

ODB

02-05-2005, 10:17 PM

Originally posted by Captain Kirk
Enough of the fighting.
Anybody know if any agency is picking up Julies girls?

Yes please keep us posted, it's always good to know which ones may get popped next and avoid.

RoosterC74

02-05-2005, 10:21 PM

I would imagine that the truth will eventually come out. Anyone ever know a lady that works in this business and actually tells us the true age that they are? Lets be a bit more realistic here. And by the way-I have never even seen Heaven, so I would not know. What I am trying to drive home is that ages of fiction occur all of the time. Some claim to be a bit older, however, most claim to be significantly younger. That goes for Julies, and most of the rest.

April

02-05-2005, 10:46 PM

Heaven is now about 21 years old. And thats ALL I'll say on the subject.

I didn't dislike Julie I disliked some of her methods, we all have our own charachter flaws and reguardless I know how if feels to be in Rikers with a bail that you can post but you unable to because you must PROVE where the $ is coming from an assurity hold I think it's called mayve a lawyer here (gee do we have any?) can correct me if I'm wrong.

Right now she is in a miserable state if she is on the rock and even with all our past history I have empathy for her.

"We" all need to think do the benefits outweigh the risks. Certian risks I'm prepared to take, others I'm not. And if you do take the risks be prepared ro suffer the consequences as well as know them in advance.

A

capitan

02-06-2005, 01:09 AM

It seems to me that ALL of the high profile, max exposure websites are going to get busted sooner or later...just a matter of time.

Just like most of the massage parlors...they're sitting ducks.

Straight ahead,
Capy

MrSteve

02-06-2005, 05:35 AM

Any word on if Julie is out? I heard she couldn't make bail. Surprising she didn't put her house up for collateral. I read where the cops said they bought cocaine and saw ********d girls. That must mean they were going in the rooms with these girls. How else could this be brought up. Or are they just making up stories to put pressure on Julie for a possible plea bargain?

02-07-2005, 07:10 AM

Any word on what LE posessed from her locations? If are there any potential rammifacations for past clients? I know she had info on file, should some of
us be concerned?

bklyn69

02-07-2005, 07:35 AM

I'm more concerned about finding Julie's girls than anything else. Were some of the girls deported ? Will some of the younger girls like Shannon & Brianna resurface in the near future ? We'll just have to keep our eyes & ears open...stay tuned...more to cum !

Bullish74

02-07-2005, 08:04 AM

I got 2 ******s via TER. One just said "****** me" and the other tried to explain that "Julie's is closed and we are going independent" Sounds like LE setting up folks on TER. Could be the paranoia but the paper said those involved we arrained on Saturday/Sunday - that means 3 NIGHTS in the tombs in NYC. Thankfully all I have is second hand knowledge of that place but from what I hear, it is not a place to ever visit!

BigMadM

02-07-2005, 09:25 AM

Imglad UG is back.

Im the biggest motherfucker of all, that I can admit.

Julie is no saint, Im sure of that, not at all.
Shes in a cutthroat, competitive, tough, tough business, and Im sure shes one tough cookie to be in it so long and so successful.
I say this with only respect for this woman Ive never met.
So here theres all these girls, who lives were Im sure in so much turmoil, they turned to this woman to help them sell themselves so they could at least have money to support whatever lifestyles they needed. (Im not judging anyone here)

Personally, and IM speaking as a lowlife hobbyist, I feel very sorry for alot of her girls.
If they think they were lost before, I wonder how this is going to effect them now.
The lost girls.
Im not concerned where they turn up, Im concerned they survive, and no, Im not a humanit****n, and not claiming to be, but Ive seen enough shit in this biz that this is just another sad chapter that Im sure will further destroy what little lives some of these girls have left.

BigMadM

02-07-2005, 09:30 AM

Im not pitying any of them either, but dont think for a second, I sometimes have a tiny bit of guilt as I fuck some 23 y/o in her ass, and the tears I know are there, but she smiles and waits for the payoff.(I am also an addict)
Its such a shitty life, and only 1 in a 1000 live that glamourous lifestyle so many of us think they live, earning all that money.
If it doesnt get shot up, snorted, or smoked, alot goes to cheerios, diapers, rent, pimps, etc.........I dont know why Im typing this shit,, but I really hope they all make it out of this mess somewhat ok.

nabbeun

02-07-2005, 11:32 AM

Originally posted by BigMadM
Im not pitying any of them either, but dont think for a second, I sometimes have a tiny bit of guilt as I fuck some 23 y/o in her ass, and the tears I know are there, but she smiles and waits for the payoff.(I am also an addict)
Its such a shitty life, and only 1 in a 1000 live that glamourous lifestyle so many of us think they live, earning all that money.
If it doesnt get shot up, snorted, or smoked, alot goes to cheerios, diapers, rent, pimps, etc.........I dont know why Im typing this shit,, but I really hope they all make it out of this mess somewhat ok.

of course you are right. that is not to say though that they don't make the money. i'm sure nearly all that are halfway good looking make 10 to 20k per month, min. they could live almost any life they wanted to, if they could focus and reach for it, with that kind of funding. any could live the life of glamour / leisure when she's not on her back. but they blow the money even faster, as you say, and let's not forget the gambling / AC habit, at least for the asian ones it is pervasive.

nearly every one i've met, put herself in her sorry position. and not by one stupid mistake she's paying for, but for stupid choices she continues to make, day in and day out. most more than deserve their fate, and have screwed over a boatload of 'nice' guys who tried to help them without a backward glance. the guys who look good and treat them like dirt and take every penny they've got are the ones who get their love and respect. so to hell with the girl who refuses to help herself.

vermeer

02-07-2005, 07:16 PM

I think Julie and some of her whores deserve a good jail term, for providing sub-par service on numerous occasions.

Not too long, though. Maybe a few weeks. Just enough, to teach them all a lesson. And the same goes for all the rest of you.

nycjohn25

02-07-2005, 09:19 PM

Why were these two johns arrested? Don't cops usually let johns go? Why were these two johns made examples? Did the cops do it to send a message?

BIGd

02-07-2005, 09:24 PM

Vermeer:

I think you are suffering from a delusion that you are actually General Patton. You probably need to remix your cocktail buddy.

Lou Grant

02-07-2005, 10:26 PM

Originally posted by nycjohn25
Why were these two johns arrested? Don't cops usually let johns go? Why were these two johns made examples? Did the cops do it to send a message?

Were there only two johns at Julies (all four locations) at the times of the busts? I doubt it. I'm sure there were others but the blues chose to arrest these two. The next day, they said there weren't bringing charges against one of them, and the cops were even so kind as to give us his name and that he was a semi-famous lawyer who represents high profile clients.

Were they made an example? What do you think?

Harmony Memories

02-08-2005, 06:07 AM

Originally posted by skagen

Briana is probably nearing 30 in reality. Dont be fooled by the short stature. She ain't all THAT fresh - unless you're 50 yrs old and just cant judge 18 from 28 when you have a hard-on.

But then again, guys usally have no clue on womens stats or details. How do you think that women with C cup tits get advertised as DD? Because men believe everything they are told.

I spoke to a girl who knows Brianna quite well, and she confirmed that she is in her late 20s. She just looks younger because she's petite

vermeer

02-08-2005, 08:04 AM

hunsecker, why don't you do us a favor, and get this fuckpuppet to post an ad here, so we can all drill her honeypot for $150/hr.

for christ's sake, she was getting just $100/hour working for julie. she's getting a 50% salary increase!!

bklyn69

02-08-2005, 08:10 AM

they could work for $200/hr. and still make more than before !

BigMadM

02-08-2005, 09:14 AM

uh...the unspeakable........lets face some hard facts.....the Julies girls, most likely, are seeing the clients without her now.
Its not a secret that once a girl discovers some client likes her, and shes only getting 100 or 150 of the fee, Im quite sure shes giving out her own cell to plenty of clients.

Lets see, it is possible that some of the girls even made trips outside the city to see prearranged clients, even clients that never walked into Julies.......uh.......maybe I dont know what Im talking about........

So now I guess alot of clients are a little uptight, and not sharing numbers.

I hope Julie gets by all this, and buys that house in Palm Beach Gardens, and gets 6 or 7 acres for her beloved pets.
(She kept track of all these lost girls, for so long, she earned it)

BigMadM

02-08-2005, 09:16 AM

and although he has quite a uniques style, Vermeer is 100% right, the girls that want to earn big should post an ad here, because there are plenty of hobbyists would love to continue seeing them, and this is an easy place to post an ad.

BigMadM

02-08-2005, 09:21 AM

one only has to look at the hits UG gets on certain threads.
This one is over 7000.
Any thread mentioning a place, gets the hits.
If any info is leaked out in these threads, the lurkers gobble it up.

nabbeun

02-08-2005, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by BigMadM
and although he has quite a uniques style, Vermeer is 100% right, the girls that want to earn big should post an ad here, because there are plenty of hobbyists would love to continue seeing them, and this is an easy place to post an ad.

shit, i would be happy to get the chance at that. i couldn't get past the fucking phone guy with only a cell no...

brianna, carolina, kasia, where are you? i've got references! :)

buraq97

02-08-2005, 12:38 PM

Is this a coincidence??? Check out the name of the lawyer in the post article from the 25th and the name of one of the clients who was busted ....

http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/39312.htm

http://www.nynewsday.com/news/local/manhattan/nyc-pros0129,0,3977150.story?coll=nyc-manheadlines-manhattan

April

02-08-2005, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by BigMadM
......................... and buys that house in Palm Beach

BMM.........PLEASE tell me you have your Madams confused!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BigMadM

02-08-2005, 09:55 PM

not at all. I have no reason to not believe she had to put up with a tremendous amount of shit all these years, and deserves the income and all the little things that come with being successful.
I only mentioned Palm Beach Gardens because thats the place alot of people I know with bucks are moving to lately.
Im sure a house on the Intercoastal would be nice also.(with a summer home on Marthas Vineyard)

Ive never met Julie, so I have no reason to not think shes any different than any other hard working Madam.

vermeer

02-08-2005, 10:50 PM

Where do old whores go, anyway?

It's a mystery akin to: where are the baby pigeons?

vermeer

02-08-2005, 10:52 PM

Just watch the movie "Casino" and see what happens when you're too nice to a whore

Originally posted by nabbeun
of course you are right. that is not to say though that they don't make the money. i'm sure nearly all that are halfway good looking make 10 to 20k per month, min. they could live almost any life they wanted to, if they could focus and reach for it, with that kind of funding. any could live the life of glamour / leisure when she's not on her back. but they blow the money even faster, as you say, and let's not forget the gambling / AC habit, at least for the asian ones it is pervasive.

nearly every one i've met, put herself in her sorry position. and not by one stupid mistake she's paying for, but for stupid choices she continues to make, day in and day out. most more than deserve their fate, and have screwed over a boatload of 'nice' guys who tried to help them without a backward glance. the guys who look good and treat them like dirt and take every penny they've got are the ones who get their love and respect. so to hell with the girl who refuses to help herself.

Jack_Maehoffer

02-09-2005, 12:55 AM

Originally posted by nabbeun
of course you are right. that is not to say though that they don't make the money. i'm sure nearly all that are halfway good looking make 10 to 20k per month, min. they could live almost any life they wanted to, if they could focus and reach for it, with that kind of funding. any could live the life of glamour / leisure when she's not on her back. but they blow the money even faster, as you say, and let's not forget the gambling / AC habit, at least for the asian ones it is pervasive.

nearly every one i've met, put herself in her sorry position. and not by one stupid mistake she's paying for, but for stupid choices she continues to make, day in and day out. most more than deserve their fate, and have screwed over a boatload of 'nice' guys who tried to help them without a backward glance. the guys who look good and treat them like dirt and take every penny they've got are the ones who get their love and respect. so to hell with the girl who refuses to help herself.

Somehow Nabster we have met in our past lives. My take on this is spot on.

MrSteve

02-10-2005, 06:45 AM

vermeer writes:
It's a mystery akin to: where are the baby pigeons?

I might be able to shed some light on this. Last year I saw two eggs on my terrace. I noticed two pigeons coming and going and bringing little twigs each time. Soon a nest was built and one pigeon sat on the eggs. Long story short , the eggs hatched. Ugly looking baby pigeons. About 21 days later they left. Leaving behind loads of bird shit and other assortted gobs and muck. Now if two whores showed up on my terrace...Heck I'd sit on them myself.

optimist

02-10-2005, 11:28 AM

Will Julie’s trial be open to the public or behind closed doors?
(And no…I’m not thinking about stopping by to wave to her and the girls)
I’m curious to know what evidence they’ve collected on her with their yearlong investigation. Wiretaps perhaps?

BIGd

02-10-2005, 10:04 PM

They will plead it out
Odds of a trial are very unlikely
Were it to happen, it would be open. Why not? Matter of national security?

Bullish74

02-11-2005, 05:51 AM

Just saw an advert from "Destiny - formerly from Julies' NYC" soing incall in NJ. According to ad it's incall only. I wonder if she will get any takers. I would be way too afraid of LE.

vermeer

02-11-2005, 11:20 AM

is destiny the puertorican ho? i banged her a few years ago. really excellent. she was kind of meaty, in a good way.

Bebop

02-11-2005, 11:45 AM

Originally posted by MrSteve
nycjohn25 writes:
yeah, a few clients went to the slammer including a teacher and a prominent lawyer (the lawyer was identified in a Newsday online article).

Well Julie always said she never kept last names and other important info. I guess we'll find out if she was telling the truth. She has always been honest as far as I know.

Let me guess, you also have a deed of ownership to the Brooklyn Bridge?

capitan

02-11-2005, 11:43 PM

BMM...

You're a big time hobbiest here on UG....you've got the extra bucks to make it happen & good for you....but I also see after reading your posts in this thread, that deep down within, you've got real feelings for what happens to the girls in the trade.

I would say that many of us hobbiests share that same outlook...myself included.

When I've got a hardon, I want to shoot that load, and at that moment, that's ALL I'm thinking about...but later on, I do wonder what will happen to these girls as time goes on.

Straight ahead,
Capy

nutsM

02-11-2005, 11:54 PM

Posted by whitelightening , 2/11/2005 11:47:22 AM
Julies case has been moved from the lower court in NY County (Criminal Ct) to the Supreme Court in NY County.
She has been indicted for only one count at this point: PL 230.25- Promoting Prostitution 3rd degree. A "D" felony.
Seems the other original counts involving minors under 16 and under 19 yo are not PRESENTLY being presented (meaning she has not been rearraigned in Supreme Ct under those other two charges.

Just keeping everyone posted with public information that is accessable to all.

Slinky Bender

02-12-2005, 12:54 AM

Originally posted by nutsM
Seems the other original counts involving minors under 16 and under 19 yo are not PRESENTLY being presented .

I think that's because of a minor technical problem known as "lack of evidence".

RoosterC74

02-12-2005, 02:22 AM

Slinky-

I would tend to agree with you. If that was the Biggie and they had her on it, they would have moved more rapidly on that one than any of the others. It just would have made for GREAT Press! I tend to believe that most of it is "smoke and mirrors".

Big bang! And then some fines will be handed out, and then that will be that.

Most of the ladies, will end up working somewhere else.

marquez156

02-12-2005, 06:13 AM

Originally posted by BigMadM
... I feel very sorry for alot of her girls.
If they think they were lost before, I wonder how this is going to effect them now.
The lost girls.
Im not concerned where they turn up, Im concerned they survive....

hey man, its survival of the fittest out here and if they can't hack it maybe their parnets did not prepare them well for life or something. what can one do? what would have been the story of the lost girls if there never was a Julie's? what was she running, a halfway house? I wonder what happens to the girls now too, but like to think that most of them were only doing this for side cash and had higher asperations. A lot of them had regular 9to5s and/or went to college, no? Most of them will be okay and land on their feet. Maybe I an totally ignorant but nobody working there struck me as a wide-eyed innocent lamb chop trapped in a big city house of ill repute/wolf's den scenerio and forced to do anything. You guys paint a much sadder picture about them though. Good luck Julie! I hope that you write a book about what a long strange trip it's been and make millions of dollars.

Jack_Maehoffer

02-12-2005, 09:04 AM

By TOM HAYS
Associated Press Writer

February 12, 2005

NEW YORK -- During her fling with notoriety, the Mayflower Madam argued the oldest profession was merely "naughty," not criminal.

More than two decades later, police have cracked down on a new generation of Manhattan madams who allegedly became wealthy by running prostitution rings for big spenders. And like their famous forebear, Sydney Biddle Barrows, one of them wonders what all the fuss is about.

"It's the oldest game in town," Julie Moya said before surrendering to a vice squad late last month. "We don't hurt anyone. We just offer pleasure."

Moya's arrest followed that of Jennifer Paulino, 44, accused in December of raking in millions of dollars through pricey prostitutes. In another high-profile case, Jason Itzler, 27, a New Jersey law school graduate, was arrested last month at a swank Manhattan hotel and charged with making a fortune by selling sex.

Prostitution "has become the crime du ****," said Moya's attorney, Dan Ollen.

The trio of recent cases reflects the trade's resiliency in a city where streetwalking has waned, but the Internet sex has flourished. In each, the defendants used provocative Web sites to advertise their escorts and arranged dates by phone, authorities said.

Operating out of a downtown loft, Itzler's NY Confidential service offered customers "The Ultimate Girlfriends experience." A date with one of his 100 escorts didn't come cheap: Authorities say one agreed to have oral sex and intercourse with an undercover officer for $990 at the W Hotel, billed to a credit card under "Gotham Steaks."

Paulino allegedly made $2.5 million over five years _ enough to afford a condominium in a Donald Trump high-rise on the Upper East Side and a vacation home in Miami. She and other defendants kept records with names of rich customers _ many of them business executives _ willing to pay up to $2,500 an hour for prostitutes who could pass for lingerie models, police said.

"There's a tremendous amount of money involved," said Inspector James P. O'Neill, head of the New York Police Department's vice enforcement division.

Escort services can operate for years without attracting attention from law enforcement _ as long as they remain discretely behind closed doors. (Paulino had no prior arrests.)

But some operations invite undercover vice investigations by annoying neighbors, not paying taxes, dealing drugs and _ in Moya's case _ allegedly employing ******** girls.

Investigators say the madam of an escort service known as Julie's of New York City provided a 15-year-old prostitute with fake identification and told her she "had to be a thoroughbred," which meant having unprotected sex and doing drugs with johns, said prosecutor Matthew Brassiur. Moya, he added, made $3 to $6 million a year while telling people she ran a catering business.

"I'm sure she wasn't referring to food," he said.

The consequences could be severe: Moya faces up to 15 years in prison; Paulino could get 25 if convicted of both prostitution and money-laundering charges. Both faces heavy fines and forfeitures.

The women allegedly followed a trail blazed by Barrows in the early 1980s.

Barrows _ a blue blood descendant of an original Plymouth Bay colonist who was dubbed the Mayflower Madam by the tabloids _ ran her brothel like a respectable business, police said at the time. Her call girls were dispatched to carefully screened clients in apartments and hotel rooms by operators manning a phone bank in her Upper West Side town house; some even carried charge slips and credit-card machines.

In the end, Barrows pleaded guilty to promoting prostitution, paid a $5,000 fine and wrote an unrepentant memoir.

The 47-year-old Moya, in an interview with the Daily News, admitted being a madam. But she also adamantly denied using ******** sex workers and suggested authorities were wasting their time by trying to police prostitution.

"It's something that will never stop no matter what," she said. "So if it's run properly, I don't understand why they don't legalize it."

Until that happens, future madams may want to heed some advice attributed to the Mayflower Madam, whose business acumen was undone by wire taps and other surveillance.

"Never say anything on the phone that you wouldn't want your mother to hear at trial," she said.

RoosterC74

02-12-2005, 09:21 AM

Very interesting. It appears that Madame Julie is shooting straight from the hip. She is calling it as she see's it. I doubt they have anything on her regarding ********d ladies. If so, they would have blown the thing wide open by now. My take on it, is a plea is in the making. Julie will get slapped on the wrist. What did Barrows get a $5,000 fine? Interesting no! You would think they have better things to do. It appears to me that Julie or someone at the establishment screwed the wrong guy or lady. Seems like a great deal of wasted time and taxpayer dollars to me. At the same time drug sales (Meth, etc.) are at an all time high in the city and the surrounding areas. But then again, few drug busts get so much attention now a days. Meantime, Bloomberg is worried about people smoking cigarettes in bars! You gotta be joking! Bring back John Lindsay and the Good Old Days!

bangbroads

02-13-2005, 01:56 AM

New rape rap for madam

BY BARBARA ROSS
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

A Long Island woman who bragged of running the best brothels in the city will be hit with a charge of statutory rape tomorrow for allegedly employing ******** girls.
The count is in a new indictment against Julie Moya, 47, of Freeport, that also charges her with promoting prostitution and money laundering. Investigators said at least one girl was 15 when she started working as a hooker.

The girl, now 17, is cooperating with investigators, who believe other minors also worked for Moya but haven't found them yet.

Assistant Manhattan District Attorney Matthew Bassiur told the courts last week that Moya was "well aware" that some of her girls were ******** and told one teen to use a fake ID and do "whatever the johns want."

Moya has defended her business as "the friendliest, nicest, best that there is in New York City" and denied using minors. "There were never any ******** girls. Never, never, ever. I ask them for IDs and try to make sure they're of age," she told the Daily News.

Moya has been in jail for almost two weeks, unable to make $500,000 bail set after she turned herself in.

Cops arrested 25 people when they busted the sex ring Jan. 27. They raided Moya's home and her West Side headquarters, where she has operated an escort service, Julie's of New York City, for 10 years.

Cops said the ring charged $200 to $400 an hour and generated $3 million a year.

Originally published on February 13, 2005

MrSteve

02-13-2005, 02:20 AM

Moya has been in jail for almost two weeks, unable to make $500,000 bail set after she turned herself in.>

That's gotta suck. Looks like Julie could be in until the trial get's underway. Just shows money talks.

Bebop

02-13-2005, 03:28 AM

There are several degrees of statutory rape. But in all case the victim has to be less than 17 years old.

Slinky Bender

02-13-2005, 03:44 AM

They may have solved the lack of evidence problem.

April

02-13-2005, 06:18 AM

justme

02-13-2005, 05:43 PM

Originally posted by Bebop
There are several degrees of statutory rape. But in all case the victim has to be less than 17 years old.

...when the sex act occured

MrSteve

02-14-2005, 01:35 AM

Bebop writes:

There are several degrees of statutory rape. But in all case the victim has to be less than 17 years old.>>

There was a baseball player a while back who got hit the the stat rape tag. Luis Polonia. His argument was he didn't know the girls real age and she told him she was older. If that's the case how can the guy be guilty. What if a girl looks older and shows a fake ID. How would you know? Mabye this girl is giving Julie up from pressure by the DA? I can't see how Julie would risk a profitable business by hiring an ******** girl. Makes no sense at all.

Ozzy

02-14-2005, 02:42 AM

Luis Polonia fucked a 14 year old..... There was no way he was talking his way out of that. The only reason he didn't go to jail was because of money.

ie... the girl and her family was paid off.

Julie isn't accused of having sex with the girl/girls in question... she's accused of pimping them.

ie... knowingly contributing or assisting to the stat rape. If I'm not mistaken that carries the same penalty as the guy or guys who fucked the girl. Sort of how that 17 yr old girl is being charged for first deg murder in that Ludlow street/actress killing a couple of weeks ago... even though she didn't actually pull the trigger.

Because of her closer relationship to the girls in question than the clients.... I think it's going to be a bit tougher for Julie to get out of the rape charge than any guys who get charged.

Harmony Memories

02-14-2005, 02:51 AM

Did anybody ever see any ladies at Julie's that even remotely resembled a 17 year old ?

From what I hear, you were lucky if they looked to be 37 !

Ozzy

02-14-2005, 02:58 AM

Originally posted by MrSteve
I can't see how Julie would risk a profitable business by hiring an ******** girl. Makes no sense at all.

Can't pass this up... SORRY!

But that "profitable business" you mention was already ILLEGAL to begin with!!!! What fucking difference does it make what other laws she broke along the way.

When you operate an ILLEGAL business it's already a fucking risk!!!!

Jeeezus H Christ.... If Julie ever comes back I'm personally going to call her an recommend you as her PR man.

Ozzy

02-14-2005, 03:04 AM

Originally posted by jjhunsecker
Did anybody ever see any ladies at Julie's that even remotely resembled a 17 year old ?

From what I hear, you were lucky if they looked to be 37 !

How about most of the girls she advertised as being 18-20 (and probably were 18-20).

If they looked 37 she certainly couldn't have advertised under 20.

Lets not act stupid nor play us for stupid.... every agency has girls in the 18-21 area that can easilly pass for younger. Julie had her share..... AND WE ALL KNOW OF AT LEAST ONE!

unfucking believable... now that Julie is out of business all her shills are calling all her girls old hags because it serves a purpose now. But when I said that two or three years ago I was speaking ill of Julie and her girl.

Harmony Memories

02-14-2005, 03:22 AM

Originally posted by Ozzy
How about most of the girls she advertised as being 18-20 (and probably were 18-20).

If they looked 37 she certainly couldn't have advertised under 20.

Lets not act stupid nor play us for stupid.... every agency has girls in the 18-21 area that can easilly pass for younger. Julie had her share..... AND WE ALL KNOW OF AT LEAST ONE!

unfucking believable... now that Julie is out of business all her shills are calling all her girls old hags because it serves a purpose now. But when I said that two or three years ago I was speaking ill of Julie and her girl.

That's the thing. She could advertise anything she wants, but what was actually there was another story. She could say they were 18, she can say they were Hung****n princesses, she can say they were Martians, but none of that made it truly so ...

And if we're referring to Heaven here, she started at Julies in early 2002. Your friend April says that she's now 21. Therefore, it is entirely possible that she was 18 when she began at Julies (though I don't know this for certain, and neither does anyone also except the parties involved )

justme

02-14-2005, 04:09 AM

Originally posted by Ozzy
But that "profitable business" you mention was already ILLEGAL to begin with!!!! What fucking difference does it make what other laws she broke along the way.

When you operate an ILLEGAL business it's already a fucking risk!!!!

Not that I care, but it's the same reason why professional armed robbers generally have a rule that they won't pull the trigger.

(Or at least that's what Hollywood tells me)

Or more to the point that I might like to speed down the Interstate. And in the past there might have been copious amounts of narcotics in my car. But I can't remember a time when I sped down the Interstate with copious amounts of narcotics in my car.

Ozzy

02-14-2005, 04:40 AM

JM... If he were talking about JULIE and her jail time I'd have said nothing.... But he said putting the business at risk. Makes no difference what else she goes down for..... the business is still busted either way.

Unless you think all these years LE said... "well.... she's not employing minors... so lets leave her alone"

Ozzy

02-14-2005, 04:51 AM

Originally posted by jjhunsecker

And if we're referring to Heaven here, she started at Julies in early 2002. Your friend April says that she's now 21. Therefore, it is entirely possible that she was 18 when she began at Julies (though I don't know this for certain, and neither does anyone also except the parties involved )

Heaven worked for my friend April in early 2002 cause CLPC was out of the business by May of 2002 and Heaven was long gone by then. Search the board if you want specific dates. Heaven worked for Julie for at least a year before she ever came to April.

You do the math.

btw.... It wasn't I who said Heaven was under age.... it was Julies shills when she left Julie and went to work for April.

Obviously now that everyone is claiming Julie NEVER hired an under age girl...... those shills are changing their stories and or playing stupid.

So all these years and useless flame wars later... I'm finally being vindicated for all those times I accused her shills of being... liars.

And yes.... I am enjoying this.

Ozzy

02-14-2005, 04:57 AM

Originally posted by jjhunsecker
That's the thing. She could advertise anything she wants, but what was actually there was another story. She could say they were 18, she can say they were Hung****n princesses, she can say they were Martians, but none of that made it truly so ...

You can't sell a 30 something year old for 18 no matter who you are..... Not even the great Julie. Unless it's true about Julie owning a time machine.

But I don't care about that cause with guys like you now stepping forward saying you were lucky if Julies girls looked "37" .... It now it seems I'm even being vindicated for calling Julies girls old hags.

So thanks for confirming to everyone that I was right.

justme

02-14-2005, 05:15 AM

Originally posted by Ozzy
JM... If he were talking about JULIE and her jail time I'd have said nothing.... But he said putting the business at risk. Makes no difference what else she goes down for..... the business is still busted either way.

Unless you think all these years LE said... "well.... she's not employing minors... so lets leave her alone"

But she opens herself up to considerably more risk by employing ** prostitutes. And I think you're wrong even at the level of the business. I think it's fair to say that a lot of madams restart their business after dealing with their convictions (I think you might know one). ** prostitution is such a big deal from a social perspective, I think that if you have a conviction for this you'll be scrutinized much more after you get out than if you don't.

And this kind of goes to your last point. No, I don't think LE said that. But I do think that there's a lot less room for LE to look the other way (say, if they were given incentive to) when minors are involved.

To me a complaint of pimping out ** girls does a lot to explain why they chose now to go after her.

Ozzy

02-14-2005, 05:41 AM

Let me rephrase my reply then....

Julie had what... Five incall locations, doing upwards of 40 or 50 clients a day, is rumored to have paid off several members of LE and maybe a politician or two, not to mention the local thugs. Rumored to have condoned the use of drugs on the premises, rumored to have sold drugs on the premises, admitted herself in an interview in the NY Post to having a 15 year old working the phones in the brothel while prostitution and drug abuse was going on all around her......... And whatever various RICO or "enterprise corruption" charges she was initially arrested for and will probably be indicted on before this is over.....

Do you get what I'm saying about the ******** thing being just another log on the fire? That might be an attention getter for the headlines. But everything else she did already put her and her business at an even higher risk than if she only got charged for the ** issue.

I guarantee when this is all said and done... assuming these charges stick. That the stat rape and/or contributing to the delinquency of a minor are not what gets her the biggest penalty/jail time.

Harmony Memories

02-14-2005, 05:52 AM

Originally posted by Ozzy
Heaven worked for my friend April in early 2002 cause CLPC was out of the business by May of 2002 and Heaven was long gone by then. Search the board if you want specific dates. Heaven worked for Julie for at least a year before she ever came to April.

You do the math.

btw.... It wasn't I who said Heaven was under age.... it was Julies shills when she left Julie and went to work for April.

Obviously now that everyone is claiming Julie NEVER hired an under age girl...... those shills are changing their stories and or playing stupid.

So all these years and useless flame wars later... I'm finally being vindicated for all those times I accused her shills of being... liars.

And yes.... I am enjoying this.

I don't believe the information on when Heaven started at Julie's is correct. Without going into details, I am almost positive that she started there in January 2002.

(and it sounds like you spend Way Too Much time thinking about this. Go read a book or something )

whitelightening

02-14-2005, 06:11 AM

What is going to get Julie hard time is the federal charges for tax evasion, money laundering, RICO, conspiracy to defraud, money laundering etc.

The state charges it seems is just what they needed to make the arrest to open the can of worms up for scrutiny.

Then again, how can any lawyer, especially her lawyer allow her to talk to the press before surrendering, and then fail to surrender? Remember his name, never use him, UNLESS Julie hs a black book that can take down LE and the politicians and local heavyweights?

Maybe, just maybe there was a secret location for ******* age girls that catered to the politicians, LE and big muckitty mucks. You have all heard of the stories out of the Washington Post about the pollies and their perversions.

If she had any ****** and they were tossed from her house and had to work the street to support themselvesand their drug habits and if one of these ***** got busted and faced serious drug charges or just a large possesion charge and needed to get out of it instead of going cold turkey in a cell then that person could have blown the whistle out of malice towards Julie for releasing her from her employ?

I remember on the internet on TER the rev.Heaven a chubby blonde well endowed age looked 19-20 under a review, then about a year later the same person in a still photo on a rooftop with 5 other girls all clothed in dresses pencil thin and hollow like a junkie or AIDS victim- could this be the person that everyone is talking about that Julie tossed from her employ and put her out because of drug use and abuse that blew the whistle and the person that now says she was a minor when employed?

Julie was in that pic also and everyone had on short short skirts and the legs and face looked aged about 30 yo and a waif, no one losses that kind of weight that fast, lost about 25% of her body weight based on photos posted on the TER review link. This girl had to be at least 18 yo when I first saw that photo and thenlooked 30 yo, so the pic I thought was a late 18-20 must have been a 25 yo. TER says in their accept that all photos are of persons 18 yo or older so we must trust the information they have because they hold the UCC from the feds.

Ozzy

02-14-2005, 07:12 AM

Originally posted by jjhunsecker
I don't believe the information on when Heaven started at Julie's is correct. Without going into details, I am almost positive that she started there in January 2002.

(and it sounds like you spend Way Too Much time thinking about this. Go read a book or something )

All Heavens reviews have been pulled from TER and Jag is gone. So no proof of when Heaven started.

Found this on Julies site today.

On January 31, 2005, Julie Moya was arrested and accused of running the business Julie's of New York. There were many charges brought against her that are ridiculous, untrue, and which she hopes to vindicate herself from in the months ahead.

Further, her bail was set at half a million dollars ($500,000). Contrary to what may have been believed, Julie was not a wealthy woman and spent most of her money on animal rescue and other charities. Much of the news coverage in the last few weeks has verified this by interviewing her and her neighbors.

If you wish to help her out in whatever way you can, or contribute to her defense fund, you can make contact with her attorney to discuss the particulars. All discussion is guaranteed confidential:

NOTE: Information on Julie's attorney will be posted within a few days

Julie wishes to thank you for all the years of love and support and she hopes that everyone is healthy and happy in their lives.

Slinky Bender

02-14-2005, 07:28 AM

Originally posted by Ozzy
All Heavens reviews have been pulled from TER and Jag is gone. So no proof of when Heaven started. [/B]

I'll bet someone (or lots of someone's) have it all saved. May it will pop up on the place where no one posts.

Jack_Maehoffer

02-14-2005, 07:49 AM

Originally posted by Ozzy
Reviews have been pulled from TER and Jag is gone. So no proof of when Heaven started.
[/B]

TER is Fuck*d up I noticed names on there a few weeks ago are mysteriously gone.

sharked

02-14-2005, 08:00 AM

[i]

I remember on the internet on TER the rev.Heaven a chubby blonde well endowed age looked 19-20 under a review, then about a year later the same person in a still photo on a rooftop with 5 other girls all clothed in dresses pencil thin and hollow like a junkie or AIDS victim- could this be the person that everyone is talking about that Julie tossed from her employ and put her out because of drug use and abuse that blew the whistle and the person that now says she was a minor when employed?
[/B]

I saw Heaven soon after that pic was taken and her explanation was that ,due to her car accident (which broke several bones) made her depressed and she didn't eat.
She was gone from the house a few months before the bust took place. Not drugs. Just what she told me.

On another note, did anyone get to see the girl who claims she is Destiny in NNJ?

ODB

02-14-2005, 08:10 AM

Originally posted by sharked
I saw Heaven soon after that pic was taken and her explanation was that ,due to her car accident (which broke several bones) made her depressed and she didn't eat.
She was gone from the house a few months before the bust took place. Not drugs. Just what she told me.

On another note, did anyone get to see the girl who claims she is Destiny in NNJ?

Car accident is code for rehab.

bangbroads

02-14-2005, 09:44 AM

Originally posted by slinkybender
I'll bet someone (or lots of someone's) have it all saved. May it will pop up on the place where no one posts.

What happened to JAG, I needed to dig thru some archives, anybody know where those posts can be found?

Ozzy

02-14-2005, 11:20 AM

It died a couple of months ago.

A guy named Aristotle.

whitelightening

02-14-2005, 11:42 AM

That the story that was posted regarding heaven was a car accident but that was a cover story. Read on the various boards that Julie threw her out and she was walking the stroll strung out.Guess she was busted and made a deal to burn Julie for the "disrespect" of throwing her out into the real world. Also read Julie never tolerated any of her girls on drugs, drugs brought thievery, wallets missing, and other elements of hygiene.Never heard through the boards of any criminal mischief or thefts at Julies so she had to keep her girls off the stuff. Drinking might have been another story with some I read.
So if one is caught on the stroll, strung out and has drugs in their person, and is looking to make another drug score and the connection happens to be LE then a song to LE gets you favors and you burn the wicked witch who put you out in the cold world. Drugs do that to people, but can one believe a junkie, they say anything to get off and go back to their lifestyle. The pics I saw looked like she was in a concentration camp, the legs were so thin and face so hollow and eyes so blank.
But how does LE believe a junkie, but when they want to make an arrest they believe anyone, they got the Madame, closed down the business, and by Julies own words she admitted to being and running a house. WHO LET HER TALK TO THE PRESS AND CAMERAS.!!! First advice is to lawyer up and Shut Up.

bigedct

02-14-2005, 11:54 AM

In early January, Heaven posted on the members board. She mentioned she was coming back soon. I distinctly remember that, because I never got full session with her. I always hit traffic, and settled for 1/2 meeting. I promised myself to go to NYC early when she got back.

justme

02-14-2005, 12:18 PM

Originally posted by Ozzy
Do you get what I'm saying about the ******** thing being just another log on the fire? That might be an attention getter for the headlines. But everything else she did already put her and her business at an even higher risk than if she only got charged for the ** issue.

You may be right. I guess what I'm saying is that ** prostitution is high profile. And the vice seems to ignore things until they get to be high profile.

Look, of all the things that she did, what's the only thing that Allen censors?

Ozzy

02-14-2005, 04:51 PM

Originally posted by whitelightening
That the story that was posted regarding heaven was a car accident but that was a cover story. Read on the various boards that Julie threw her out and she was walking the stroll strung out.Guess she was busted and made a deal to burn Julie for the "disrespect" of throwing her out into the real world. Also read Julie never tolerated any of her girls on drugs, drugs brought thievery, wallets missing, and other elements of hygiene.Never heard through the boards of any criminal mischief or thefts at Julies so she had to keep her girls off the stuff. Drinking might have been another story with some I read.

Lets just knock off this bull shit right here...... Julies girls were just like most of the other prostitutes in this world..... they were fucked up in the head and they were fucked up on drugs. Enough of this Julie was a paragon bull shit. We know of several girls who were hard core Junkies who worked at Julies and she more than condoned their acions while on the premisis.

Ana/Olivia or whatever her name was that April threw out..... Actually she dragged across the floor by her hair and out the door when she found her 'bangin' in the bathroom with her fix kit lying on the sink. April threw the junkie out, made a public statement about her and how she was putting everyone at risk by doing her shit while on the job, and ONE day later she was working for Julie. And the stories about her nodding out or acting strange or appearing 'strung out' continued while she worked for Julie.

This stuff is all documented and it came from the mouths of Julies very own shills..... So lets not be revisionists of history.

Ozzy

02-14-2005, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by justme
You may be right. I guess what I'm saying is that ** prostitution is high profile. And the vice seems to ignore things until they get to be high profile.

Look, of all the things that she did, what's the only thing that Allen censors?

Yeah, but Allen censored words don't equate to more the most serious offence or jail time.

As stated above..... If those fed charges stick, they will get Julie a stiffer penalty than the ** bull shit we've been reading about in the press.

jras

02-14-2005, 07:53 PM

Newsday reports today that LE is trying to tie her to ******** kidnapping too....she's screwed.

ODB

02-14-2005, 08:05 PM

She's been framed and as innocent as the Saints of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir.

April

02-14-2005, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by jras
Newsday reports today that LE is trying to tie her to ******** kidnapping too....she's screwed.

:X

consumer reports

02-14-2005, 10:08 PM

A Manhattan prosecutor leveled shocking and lurid allegations yesterday against Manhattan madam Julie Moya, charging she may have ordered that girls as young as 15 be kidnapped "for the specific purpose of taking their virginity" and preparing them for careers in other prostitution rings.

At a hearing yesterday, Manhattan Assistant District Attorney Matthew Bassiur said his office was investigating whether Moya, 47, directed that children be kidnapped, smuggled and forced into sexual service for her.

Moya allegedly operated the multimillion-dollar midtown brothel Julie's of New York.

He also said the office was investigating whether drug charges could be filed against Moya for personally providing cocaine to her customers.

In another development, Bassiur disclosed that Moya had been slapped with a 56-count indictment yesterday. The charges include 25 counts of third-degree statutory rape and 28 counts of criminal sex acts in the third degree, all for sex involving ******** girls.

The most serious charge Moya faces, two counts of promoting prostitution in the second degree, is a felony punishable by up to 15 years in prison. She is to be arraigned March 8.

Moya was being held yesterday on Rikers Island. Her lawyer, Daniel Ollen, had requested the hearing yesterday and asked State Supreme Court Justice Michael Ambrecht in Manhattan to lower Moya's $500,000 bail.

Bassiur countered that, if anything, bail should be increased to $2 million, based on his ongoing investigation of the brothel.

Ambrecht left the bail at $500,000, saying he found the 25 counts of rape "very disturbing."

Prosecutors "are aware of other girls who were under the age of 16 who were prostituted out by Julie," Bassiur told Ambrecht. "In fact, the people are now investigating links to possible kidnapping and human smuggling in which children were brought to Julie for the specific purpose of taking their virginity in the process of getting them ready to work at other prostitution rings."

Bassiur also charged that Moya had provided a 15-year-old girl with a fake ID and coached her about the brutal new realities of her job.

The prosecutor also said his office would probably file a second indictment that would include charges of money laundering, tax evasion, and endangering the welfare of a child.

He said Moya posed a substantial flight risk, as she operated a cash-only business that was believed to have reaped an estimated $3 million a year. Bassiur also disclosed that Moya was arrested on federal drug charges in 1992 in White Plains in possession of 3 kilograms of cocaine and arrested later that year in possession of 3 kilograms of cocaine, a shotgun, pistol and a revolver. Bassiur told the judge Moya was convicted in federal court in 1994 of a charge of drug conspiracy and distribution.

Ollen argued that bail could not be raised based merely on Bassiur's latest allegations.

"Since when does a prostitution case warrant a bail of $2 million?" he asked the judge. "Julie's been in business for years, and prostitutes have been in business for centuries." He argued she was not a flight risk.

Reached last night for comment, Ollen said the new charges were baseless.

"The people that the district attorney is relying on for their information are all the rats who are jumping off the sinking ship that was Julie's," he said. "These are the very same people that the district attorney didn't trust two weeks ago, and now they speak the Gospel."

MrSteve

02-14-2005, 11:04 PM

Wow, this is starting to read like a movie of the week. Yet I can't for the life of me figure out who the ********d girls might be.
Mika or Dorota looked young but 15 , just can't picture it.

Ozzy

02-15-2005, 12:24 AM

Any person with half a fucking brain in their head would surmise that NONE of the ******** girls in question were ever on Julies site or reviewed on the boards. They were more than likely private-private stock. Heaven was probably the lone one that just slipped thru the cracks and came up on our radar.

Yes.... I am enjoying this.

THIS IS MY VINDICATION….. Where are all the shills yelling at me now when the word “kidnapping” pops up in the press with Julies name attached to it?

I TOLD YOU SO!

THIS IS MY VINDICATION….. Where are all the shills yelling at me now when word of Julie peddling drugs to her girls and clients and demanding they engage in condomless sex pops up in the press?

I TOLD YOU SO!

Ozzy

02-15-2005, 12:30 AM

While I'm on the subject of my vindication....

Originally posted by Truth

the post above by Ozzy is one of the most pathetic, spine-less displays of kicking someone when they're down that i've ever seen. Ozzy had this "inside info" of some "lolita ring" she was supposedly running and he decides to post it here after Julie gets taken down.

That's some really low-life shit and i've lost the little respect i ever had for your fat, pathetic ass.

Here's a fucking guy who admitted to fucking at least one and probably a number of other unfortuate ******** girls in question and he had the fucking nerve to call *ME* a low life for simply discussing what was going on at Julies.

Ozzy

02-15-2005, 12:42 AM

I'm feeling kind of verbose today.....

Here's what kind of day I'm having thus far and it's only a bit past noon.

I wake up as 4:45, do a quick run thru of the boards, check my ***** and head out for a jog.

I return to find the Newsday and Daily news at my door step and upon picking them up I see a huge picture on the Daily News back page of Bud Selig with his head in his hads under the headline..... "FBI agent told MLB about their steroid problem 10 years ago".

I thought my day was off to a good start until I flipped over the papers and read the Newsday front page which sports a full page/full color picture of Julies mug shot and the headline.... "Mean Madam may have forced Kidnapped girls into prostitution".

So I think... I'm having a really good day....

Till I turn the page and read the 'brooklyn number' and find out I've hit for 2500 bucks.

Now I'm having a great day..... And it's only lunch time.

I'm having such a great day that I'm thinking of calling Kimmie up for a nooner

Harmony Memories

02-15-2005, 12:56 AM

Originally posted by Ozzy
Any person with half a fucking brain in their head would surmise that NONE of the ******** girls in question were ever on Julies site or reviewed on the boards. They were more than likely private-private stock. Heaven was probably the lone one that just slipped thru the cracks and came up on our radar.

Yes.... I am enjoying this.

THIS IS MY VINDICATION….. Where are all the shills yelling at me now when the word “kidnapping” pops up in the press with Julies name attached to it?

I TOLD YOU SO!

THIS IS MY VINDICATION….. Where are all the shills yelling at me now when word of Julie peddling drugs to her girls and clients and demanding they engage in condomless sex pops up in the press?

I TOLD YOU SO!

If you were aware of all of this type of illegal and immoral behavior regarding children and kidnapping, then why didn't you go to the police with this information ????

(And we still have no concrete PROOF that Heaven was not of age when she worked at Julies. April says she's now 21, and I am almost certain she started there approximatelyy 3 years ago , in early 2002, which (do the math , now) would (could) have made her 18 at the time she began .)

Harmony Memories

02-15-2005, 01:16 AM

Originally posted by Ozzy
.

THIS IS MY VINDICATION….. Where are all the shills yelling at me now when the word “kidnapping” pops up in the press with Julies name attached to it?

I TOLD YOU SO!

THIS IS MY VINDICATION….. Where are all the shills yelling at me now when word of Julie peddling drugs to her girls and clients and demanding they engage in condomless sex pops up in the press?

I TOLD YOU SO!

I'm just curious...

I have no knowledge whether Julie is guilty or innocent of these charges. If she is guilty, then she should fry.

However, you seem to have a particular hard-on for Julie. Since I actually have a life, and don't spend all my time reading and posting on the boards, what exactly is the reason you have for hating Julie and her clients so much ? Even before these charges were levelled, you seemed to have it in for her. What was she doing (before these charges) that was so much different than what every other madam and escort owner in the city has done that caused such vindictiveness on your part ? Are any of them exemplars of virtue, and Julie the lone bitch out there ? Inquiring minds want to know ...

(And I fully expect to be called a "Julie shill" in an upcoming post )

Jimmy69

02-15-2005, 01:17 AM

I'm not saying I believe all of the accusations in the press. But I'm sure when she first opened up, many reviewers said that this house was probably run by Russian mob influences (and we know how low they can get) and if we recall those days, many of the girls were indeed Russian.

In those days (probably like '95) it was $ for the hour and some girls couldn't even speak english. But through the years, there were less and less of these girls around, Elena being one of the last. Mostly after that, the visible ones (if she did have private, private stock) were most definitely women.

Destiny@JB's

02-15-2005, 01:23 AM

anyone have any reasoning for the disappearence of names on TER. Seems a little wierd..

The artist formely known as Destiny

Slinky Bender

02-15-2005, 01:44 AM

Slinky Bender

02-15-2005, 01:46 AM

Originally posted by Destiny@****
anyone have any reasoning for the disappearence of names on TER. Seems a little wierd..

So much stuff goes away from TER that I don't think you can point to any specific instance and draw conclusions from it.

April

02-15-2005, 01:50 AM

seems more like a blessing for those of us who are not on there.

Ozzy

02-15-2005, 02:07 AM

Originally posted by jjhunsecker
If you were aware of all of this type of illegal and immoral behavior regarding children and kidnapping, then why didn't you go to the police with this information ????

Number one.... Lets not play stupid. Anyone who has been here as long as you have knows the history. Allot of people here have known much of this for a long time. Search UG using the words 'kidnapped' + 'Heaven'... or better yet 'Ozzy' + Julie' and see what you find.

Number two.... I caught tons of shit from Julie and her shills for just threatening to speak to a fed friend of mine about her. I'm already being called a RAT because people think I was the reason she got busted and her face plastered on every front page in NYC.

So I'm damned if I did... and damned if I didn't.

Harmony Memories

02-15-2005, 02:13 AM

Originally posted by slinkybender
Just to be clear: are you actually advocating that he should have done this? Are you saying that you would?

It's just that he seems so certain that such criminal activity was occurring at Julie's, then I have to question why he didn't do anything about it . I would think that most of us are dead against such crimes as kidnapping, slavery, and coercion, and if we had absolute proof that such activities were occurring, would do more about it then simply gloat and chortle . (Of course, those charges are in a completely seperate realm from activities that involve consenting ADULTS, which I expect most people to turn a blind eye to )

Slinky Bender

02-15-2005, 02:20 AM

Just to be clear: are you actually advocating that he should have done this? Are you saying that you would?

Ozzy

02-15-2005, 02:40 AM

Originally posted by jjhunsecker
I'm just curious...

I have no knowledge whether Julie is guilty or innocent of these charges. If she is guilty, then she should fry.

However, you seem to have a particular hard-on for Julie. Since I actually have a life, and don't spend all my time reading and posting on the boards, what exactly is the reason you have for hating Julie and her clients so much ? Even before these charges were levelled, you seemed to have it in for her. What was she doing (before these charges) that was so much different than what every other madam and escort owner in the city has done that caused such vindictiveness on your part ? Are any of them exemplars of virtue, and Julie the lone bitch out there ? Inquiring minds want to know ...

(And I fully expect to be called a "Julie shill" in an upcoming post )

I've been accusing Julie of many of these same charges for years before they reached your morning paper (maybe ADA Bassiur should let me run his case). So if those charges make you dislike her (assuming they're true)... they make me dislike her even more cause I known them to be true for years.

Toss in the fact the not one, not two..... but three absolutely highly reputable sources (one of them being a Julies girl) told me that because of my bickering with her and her various shills here... Julie had placed a bounty on my head. Not a bounty on my actual head.... but one on my personal information. Namely my first and last name, address etc...

When I confronted her and her shills about it on this board, she and her shills said it was a "name VV contest" (my old screen name was VV). They claimed it was about making up the sillyest name that started with V V (ie Victor Vagina) and the winner got a free session with a girl of their choice.

So you see... I have good enough reason for not liking the women and some of her shills.

As for the rest of her shills.... it's because they lied up and down this place. Bullshit like saying Heaven was a minor when it suited their best interests (when she worked for A), but denying it when it didn't (like now).

And since some other busted high profile pimps recently, as well as my good friend who was busted in the past.... had never been charged with the sort of things Julie is...... There obviously is a difference between what Julie was doing and what every other madam and escort owner has been doing.

And you got the wrong guy with this virtue crap. I never held anyone up as an "exemplar of virtue". We are all in the same boat for partaking in this business. We are all just as much a low life for buying these girls as the pimps are for selling them. Just because one carried a different penalty than the other doesn't make it right.

That was all Julies shills who keep calling her the "madam with a heart" and all the other virtuous bullshit to build her up into this fucking paragon.

Well…. Most everyone scorned me back then for what I said when I was the only one with the balls to speak up... But look at what the FBI and the NYC District Attorney are saying about your paragon of virtue now!

I AM VINDICATED!

Slinky Bender

02-15-2005, 02:45 AM

VV = Vindicated V****ble?

Ozzy

02-15-2005, 02:55 AM

Since I see your still seeking my answer.... Here's my other post in case you missed it due to the corrupt page # issue....

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by jjhunsecker
If you were aware of all of this type of illegal and immoral behavior regarding children and kidnapping, then why didn't you go to the police with this information ????

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Number one.... Lets not play stupid. Anyone who has been here as long as you have knows the history. Allot of people here have known much of this for a long time. Search UG using the words 'kidnapped' + 'Heaven'... or better yet 'Ozzy' + Julie' and see what you find.

Number two.... I caught tons of shit from Julie and her shills for just threatening to speak to a fed friend of mine about her. I'm already being called a RAT because people think I was the reason she got busted and her face plastered on every front page in NYC.

So I'm damned if I did... and damned if I didn't.

Ozzy

02-15-2005, 02:59 AM

Note the ONLY reason I threatened to speak to a fed friend of mine about Julie was STRICTLY because of the bounty she first placed on my head.

I'm still feeling verbose if you want me to tell more dirty sordid stories about the place formerly known as Julies.

Perhaps I can call a Brazilian or two whom once worked at there if you want more verification as to the vile stuff that went on and with many of her clients having full knowledge of.

nutsM

02-15-2005, 04:59 AM

can only see first and last pg of this thread

nutsM

02-15-2005, 05:03 AM

http://www.utopiaguide.com/forums/t21126.html

if the link doesn't work, the work around is posted by Slinky in the Heaven thread.

Jimmy69

02-15-2005, 05:10 AM

Damn! I hope they didn't get Shannon :( I wonder if she will go indy if she's still out and about.

Harmony Memories

02-15-2005, 05:37 AM

Originally posted by slinkybender
Just to be clear: are you actually advocating that he should have done this? Are you saying that you would?

If I had CONCRETE proof that someone was exploiting children, kidnapping them, or forcing people to do something against their will ? I might have to say or do something, but to be perfectly honest , I'm not certain what I would do .

(If it was just prostitution between consenting adults , or drug sales or drug use , I couldn't give a flying fuck )

aceofclubs26

02-15-2005, 06:15 AM

Piggybacking off what Slinky asked, I was under the impression you felt Ozzy should have reported his allegations that he was so sure about. But after reading your last post, it doesn't even sound like you would go the authorities if you were in his shoes.

Think of the consequences if you were the one that reported crimes like the ones mentioned. You would obviously have to have some kind of connection to the place and unfortunately the "guilt by assocation" may just lump you into the type of guy who had these kind of vices. They may even think the reason you were reporting it was due to a falling out and you were just being vengeful. It didn't take me long to come to the conclusion that I wouldn't be the one to report the going ons.

Ozzy

02-15-2005, 06:22 AM

Originally posted by jjhunsecker
If you were aware of all of this type of illegal and immoral behavior regarding children and kidnapping, then why didn't you go to the police with this information ????

Originally posted by jjhunsecker
If I had CONCRETE proof that someone was exploiting children, kidnapping them, or forcing people to do something against their will ? I might have to say or do something, but to be perfectly honest , I'm not certain what I would do .

So your chastizing me for my lack of action..... or lack of being a rat, when you yourself would have probably have done the same.

Are you for fucking real?

bangbroads

02-15-2005, 07:05 AM

My personal opinion after reading through some funny posts from 4 years ago is that she was working for somebody namely the mob and with her record of drug selling, it seems as if she was in way over her head.

Harmony Memories

02-15-2005, 07:50 AM

Originally posted by aceofclubs26
Piggybacking off what Slinky asked, I was under the impression you felt Ozzy should have reported his allegations that he was so sure about. But after reading your last post, it doesn't even sound like you would go the authorities if you were in his shoes.

Think of the consequences if you were the one that reported crimes like the ones mentioned. You would obviously have to have some kind of connection to the place and unfortunately the "guilt by assocation" may just lump you into the type of guy who had these kind of vices. They may even think the reason you were reporting it was due to a falling out and you were just being vengeful. It didn't take me long to come to the conclusion that I wouldn't be the one to report the going ons.

To be honest, I can't be certain what I would do. Your points are exactly the ones that occurred to me. I would have to search my conscience, and hopefully find a path that I could live with.

However, I wouldn't be screaming "VINDICATED !!" either.

Harmony Memories

02-15-2005, 07:59 AM

Originally posted by Ozzy
So your chastizing me for my lack of action..... or lack of being a rat, when you yourself would have probably have done the same.

Are you for fucking real?

I would have given it some consideration, and hopefully have done something that I could live with. That's my honest answer.

And if you don't understand that, it's too goddamn bad

justme

02-15-2005, 10:50 AM

Originally posted by Ozzy
Yeah, but Allen censored words don't equate to more the most serious offence or jail time.

I don't disagree with that. My only point is that I think the things Allen censors are the things that bring the most attention on you.

Ozzy

02-15-2005, 11:18 AM

Originally posted by jjhunsecker
I would have given it some consideration, and hopefully have done something that I could live with. That's my honest answer.

And if you don't understand that, it's too goddamn bad

I'm gonna let you slide cause your obviously retarded.

bumw/ajob

02-15-2005, 05:34 PM

Personal vendettas aside, the day Julie's was busted was a black day for mongers. You'll never get that kind of service for that price ever again. I'm back to square one. I just had a horrible CL date. They pulled a bait and switch on me. I should have bailed but after popping a viagra and driving into the city, I figured what the hell. This girl insisted on me wearing two condoms. She gobbed herself up with so much lube, I couldn't feel a God damn thing. After a while I just asked her for a hand job. She started giving me a hj with a rubber on. I got pissed and told her to ''forget about it'' and left. .....I miss Julie's.

BIGd

02-15-2005, 10:05 PM

Originally posted by bumw/ajob
She gobbed herself up with so much lube, I couldn't feel a God damn thing. After a while I just asked her for a hand job. She started giving me a hj with a rubber on. I got pissed and told her to ''forget about it'' and left. .....I miss Julie's.

a CHJ!

Oh man that sounds bad. I feel for ya bum.

Its a tough moment in the hobby world. My advice is stick with reviewed women even if you have to spring for an extra benjamin. I dont care how hot the girl looks, a CHJ isnt worth a friggin quarter.

Keep the faith. The pendulum always swings back.

Harmony Memories

02-15-2005, 10:07 PM

Originally posted by Ozzy
I'm gonna let you slide cause your obviously retarded.

Gee, thanks.

BTW, I think you mean "you're" in your above comment

bigedct

02-16-2005, 12:05 AM

Can you believe this? Guy made it sound like he made a call, walked right up to Julie's, and saw her!! And he dated it for Feb!! And to think, they turned down some of my reviews because they couldn't verify the info. Those guys suck...

Also, Samantha was reviewed, too. But that guy at least said she contacted him through TER's ***** system.

bigedct

02-16-2005, 12:09 AM

http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/ers/59886163.html

Watch your backs...

Slinky Bender

02-16-2005, 02:25 AM

I wonder how many idiots replied to that (and anyone who thinks any e*mail is really anonymous from LE is dreaming).

Ozzy

02-16-2005, 03:39 AM

Originally posted by jjhunsecker
Gee, thanks.

BTW, I think you mean "you're" in your above comment

I;m going to tell you why you're retarded...

You chastized me for not reporting Julie's actions to LE if I thought them to be true. You then after several requests from to state what you'd have done had you been in my shoes, gave a politician type run around answer..... an answer which basically amounted to the very same thing you chastized me for doing in the first place (not reporting to LE).

Then you tell ME if I don't like your answer its too damn bad.

Well...... I NEVER ASKED YOU FOR YOUR FUCKING OPINION YOU SHIT HEAD!

And secodnly..... Rather than being a rat and going to LE.... I got chastized here by plenty because I posted what I knew here on the board so that those here would have that knowledge when making their decision or weighing a risk factor in regards to using that service.

Now if you don't like my answer..... go fuck yourself.

Jimmy69

02-16-2005, 03:46 AM

Easy, send them a note from yahoo, google or hotmail and not your ISP mail. But definitley proceed with caution.

Originally posted by bigedct
http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/ers/59886163.html

Watch your backs...

Jimmy69

02-16-2005, 03:49 AM

If sent from "free" mail, don't they need a supena to get your info? Oh, forgot, there's that homland security shit dictatorial law bullshit.

But anyway, I just sent a note from one of my aliases at yahoo and will take one for the team if need be :D

Originally posted by slinkybender
I wonder how many idiots replied to that (and anyone who thinks any e*mail is really anonymous from LE is dreaming).

Jimmy69

02-16-2005, 03:54 AM

Ozzy, what's your damage? All you are doing is spewing hatred. Karma is a bitch remember that. So you may have guessed what Julies would have been bought down for, big deal. The whole biz is illegal if you didn't know this before hand. The players will not play clean, period. But coming out and straight up hating will come back atcha 10 fold, no doubt. If what you're saying is true, then Julies just got what she had coming to her via karma. Yours is to shut the fuck up and take it in stride. Now that you have been "vindicated" you fucked yourself. Nuff said.

cidmo

02-16-2005, 04:05 AM

Originally posted by Jimmy69
Ozzy, what's your damage? All you are doing is spewing hatred. Karma is a bitch remember that. So you may have guessed what Julies would have been bought down for, big deal. The whole biz is illegal if you didn't know this before hand. The players will not play clean, period. But coming out and straight up hating will come back atcha 10 fold, no doubt. If what you're saying is true, then Julies just got what she had coming to her via karma. Yours is to shut the fuck up and take it in stride. Now that you have been "vindicated" you fucked yourself. Nuff said.

And for have such a great day/week/month, you sure aren't showing it in your posts, Ozzy.

Ozzy

02-16-2005, 04:16 AM

I'm not going to get into it with you people... the guy chastized for no fucking reason because he says he probably would have done the same thing. So what... I can't tell him off or set him straight.

And I didn't do half to Julie that she and her shills did to April when she was down and out. I came in this thread cause her shills were lying as usual and misleading people here so i chose to set them and the record straight.

So fuck you both too.

Slinky Bender

02-16-2005, 04:32 AM

Originally posted by Jimmy69
Karma is a bitch .

Contact info?

BigMadM

02-16-2005, 04:39 AM

Originally posted by cidmo
And for have such a great day/week/month, you sure aren't showing it in your posts, Ozzy.

Im always impressed someone was able to save a handle for over 2 years and only have 3 posts. And this is meant as a compliment.

Jimmy69

02-16-2005, 04:53 AM

Bro, you have a distorted sense of reality. "Shills" What the fuck is up with that? What if they were just satisfied customers? You know, Julies was doing something right by us. I dont shill for anyone and I can tell you I only had one bad expirence at Julies in the 8+ years I've been going there. How's that for customer satisfaction? If I or others come here and defended her, that was the main reason, no "shilling" needed.

But what can you do do set what straight? Let it go. If you know you're right, then by golly, you're right. Who's in Rikers tonight? That's it, you won the record has been set stright by the turn of events.

But the more you speak, the more it looks like you had intimate knowlege in setting her up or something. With every phrase, cointelpro (http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2005-02,GGLD:en&q=cointelpro) comes to mind big time.

Originally posted by Ozzy
I'm not going to get into it with you people... the guy chastized for no fucking reason because he says he probably would have done the same thing. So what... I can't tell him off or set him straight.

And I didn't do half to Julie that she and her shills did to April when she was down and out. I came in this thread cause her shills were lying as usual and misleading people here so i chose to set them and the record straight.

So fuck you both too.

Jimmy69

02-16-2005, 04:54 AM

Not needed. You will get to know her when the time is right.

Originally posted by slinkybender
Contact info?

bklyn69

02-16-2005, 05:16 AM

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/ny-mada0216,0,2429509.story?coll=ny-topstories-headlines

Harmony Memories

02-16-2005, 05:27 AM

Originally posted by Ozzy
I;m going to tell you why you're retarded...

You chastized me for not reporting Julie's actions to LE if I thought them to be true. You then after several requests from to state what you'd have done had you been in my shoes, gave a politician type run around answer..... an answer which basically amounted to the very same thing you chastized me for doing in the first place (not reporting to LE).

Then you tell ME if I don't like your answer its too damn bad.

Well...... I NEVER ASKED YOU FOR YOUR FUCKING OPINION YOU SHIT HEAD!

And secodnly..... Rather than being a rat and going to LE.... I got chastized here by plenty because I posted what I knew here on the board so that those here would have that knowledge when making their decision or weighing a risk factor in regards to using that service.

Now if you don't like my answer..... go fuck yourself.

My My ...Such hostility ....

Maybe you need to get laid more often . (try getting it for free sometimes, if you can )

Ozzy

02-16-2005, 05:36 AM

Kinda funny considering you talking to a person who's only paid for sex once in over two years.

Get your own free pussy.

Jimmy69

02-16-2005, 05:55 AM

Then what the heck are you doing here? You're definitely out of place here with us "misfits" then.

Oh, and I forgot to add about the April posted you say were done by "Shills." Admittedly, April has confirmed she hasn't always had reliable people work for her (just check out the latest CLP thread), don't you think some of those guys would end up being pissed off at her? What do Julie's customer's have anything to do with that?

Originally posted by Ozzy
Kinda funny considering you talking to a person who's only paid for sex once in over two years.

Get your own free pussy.

Ozzy

02-16-2005, 06:10 AM

When I speak of shills I don't throw the term around lightly....

Not all the people who posted positive things about Julies were shills. Case in point was bill furnitue. He easily wrote more Julies reviews than anyone. I never called Bill a shill.

The guys who trashed april in that thread three years ago were long known as Julie supporters and lets leave it at that. Their gloating about "Julie being the winner" was kicking someone when they were down. Same as I was accused of in this thread.

I base calling someone a shill when I see something suspicious and then do a simple search of their name and find a majority of their posts are either raves about julies, defending Julie or bashings of her competition.

bangbroads

02-16-2005, 07:03 AM

Originally posted by bklyn69
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/ny-mada0216,0,2429509.story?coll=ny-topstories-headlines

Julie was a snitch and an informant for the Feds, trnslation on the streets your as good as dead. Whoever she gave up in 94 got her 10 years later. Never sing like bird to anybody, code of the streets.

"Federal court records show that Moya pleaded guilty to conspiracy and distributing cocaine in 1994 and was sentenced to time served. Records show that the remaining weapons and drug-possession charges were dropped.

Sources who spoke on the condition of anonymity said Tuesday that Moya received the lenient sentence and the charges were dropped because she cooperated with federal authorities."

jmp

02-16-2005, 07:42 AM

Originally posted by Jimmy69
If sent from "free" mail, don't they need a supena to get your info? Oh, forgot, there's that homland security shit dictatorial law bullshit.

But anyway, I just sent a note from one of my aliases at yahoo and will take one for the team if need be :D

If you send mail from Yahoo, there are still logs on Yahoo's system showing the IP address of the machine you were using when you logged in. If the cops really want to track you down from that, your IP can be traced to your ISP, which can tell them who the address was assigned to at the time.

If you want an anonymous IP from which to log in to your anonymous ******, go to a free, public access wireless network. I don't mean the sort of wireless network they have at Starbucks where you need to pay. Rather, use the one at Bryant Park, which is completely free and anonymous. Columbia University also runs a wireless network on campus that is completely unencrypted. You could also piggy-back on someone who leaves their home network unencrypted, but you shouldn't shit where you eat if it's a neighbor.

That said, with the amount of effort it would take to track down people this way, it's like wearing 2 condoms at once. Sure you can, and it might make you ever so slightly more safe, but that doesn't really justify it...
-JMP

Slinky Bender

02-16-2005, 07:46 AM

Originally posted by Jimmy69
Not needed. You will get to know her when the time is right.

You know, it's quite ironic that you should be saying this to me. Point of fact is that between Julie and I (and not anyone else who anyone might make spurios claims that I'm somehow responsible for), the one spewing both venom and .... how shall I say this politlely? Mis-truths? was solely Julie. She slammed me, she slammed UG in general..... I could go further, but it would be simply belaboring the point.

thevenerablebede

02-16-2005, 08:02 AM

i'm just glad i never got verified. i called a few times but the timing was always off. not worried about l.e. per se. more concerned about the other elements...

bangbroads

02-16-2005, 08:07 AM

and these elements would be...

thevenerablebede

02-16-2005, 08:11 AM

or perhaps i should have said unsavory elements.

lepke

02-16-2005, 08:17 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by jmp
[B]If you send mail from Yahoo, there are still logs on Yahoo's system showing the IP address of the machine you were using when you logged in. If the cops really want to track you down from that, your IP can be traced to your ISP, which can tell them who the address was assigned to at the time.

There are plenty of 128bit encrypted free servers that you can use that all but insure no LE can trace you to anything. In short go to ziplip.com and get a free account problem solved... There is also a program called evidence eliminator that takes all evidence off your computer...In short you don't have to go to "bryant park".

lepke

02-16-2005, 08:18 AM

Originally posted by thevenerablebede
i'm just glad i never got verified. i called a few times but the timing was always off. not worried about l.e. per se. more concerned about the other elements...

Don't worry you know how many cats probably called that place?

thevenerablebede

02-16-2005, 08:24 AM

Originally posted by lepke
Don't worry you know how many cats probably called that place? there are probably dudes who are still calling

lepke

02-16-2005, 08:25 AM

Originally posted by bangbroads
Julie was a snitch and an informant for the Feds, trnslation on the streets your as good as dead. Whoever she gave up in 94 got her 10 years later. Never sing like bird to anybody, code of the streets.

"Federal court records show that Moya pleaded guilty to conspiracy and distributing cocaine in 1994 and was sentenced to time served. Records show that the remaining weapons and drug-possession charges were dropped.

Sources who spoke on the condition of anonymity said Tuesday that Moya received the lenient sentence and the charges were dropped because she cooperated with federal authorities."

Good info bro....She got caught with 2 keys and didn't go to jail that says it all. I'm so glad i never went to that place. You guys who defend the screening process of these motherfuckers really have to have your heads examined. I am not giving anyone real information about myself i'll jerk off first. If they can't go by referals of services that know me, I pass just because it helps me sleep better at night.

Jack_Maehoffer

02-16-2005, 08:37 AM

I'm leaving sex biz
Julie Moya says she's quit the brothel and, when she gets out of jail, she'll focus on caring for animals

BY BILL MASON
STAFF WRITER; Staff writer Patricia Hurtado contributed to this story.

February 16, 2005

She's not sorry for being a madam, is even a bit proud of it. But she doesn't like being in jail, and when she gets out she'll stay away from prostitution and devote herself to animals.

That was the message last night from Julie Moya, 47, the admitted Manhattan madam from Freeport, in a telephone interview from Rikers Island, where she's jailed on prostitution-related charges.

"When I get out of here, I'm just going to work with animals," Moya vowed. " ... My life in Freeport was just taking care of animals. I love people and I love animals ... I regret being here. I don't regret the business. I just wish it were legal."

Until her arrest last month Moya, the mother of three adult children, lived two lives. Out of her modest home in Freeport, she was known as a quiet neighbor, with a household of pets including dogs, birds and turtles. There, she occupied much of her time caring for stray and injured animals. But in Manhattan, authorities say she operated a multimillion-dollar prostitution ring.

She has been hit there with a 56-count indictment that includes charges of third-degree statutory rape, and 28 counts of criminal sex acts in the third degree, all for sex involving ******** girls. The most serious charges, promoting prostitution, could result in 15 years in prison if she is convicted.

A decade before these charges, Moya was prosecuted for being part of a federal cocaine trafficking ring in the Bronx and Westchester, court records show. And that criminal history could mean more prison time for Moya if she is convicted of the prostitution charges.

Records show that she was convicted in 1994 on federal felony cocaine possession with intent to distribute after being arrested as being part of a trafficking ring. Manhattan federal court records show that Moya was arrested in February 1992 with four others, charged with felony drug possession, two counts of cocaine conspiracy and three counts of possessing firearms in relation to a narcotics offense.

While Moya admitted being a madam, she denied in yesterday's interview using ********d girls in her business or supplying anyone with drugs. "Even my lawyers are shocked by these allegations of ********d virgins," she said. "Every damn girl there, every woman, was of age."

Moya said she always was somewhat proud of her profession, and believes her boasting about it to the media after her arrest angered prosecutors and resulted in their leveling more severe, and according to her, untrue charges.

"I feel like a witch in Salem," she said. "I'm devastated. There are dozens of madams in the city and I'm the only one being singled out because I talked to the media one time ...

"It's a business that is always going to go on. Now that I'm out of it, you can imagine there are others going in," Moya said.

bangbroads

02-16-2005, 08:44 AM

She was workin with the Feds, sounds like a rap song or movie that I heard or saw recently.

She gets off on some Escobar wanna be drug lord sht but she goes hard for 10 years trafficking minors, drugs, and god knows what else.

I can she not from the streets of NYC, only a Midwest country bamma could be as stupid as she is.

Beat cops know sht, NYPD for that matter knows squat, but anyone who's from the boros knows that you dont want the FEDS on your ass, FEDS dont like giving u second chances and and then made to look foolish for letting u go.

FEDS are watching hiphop since 95, there's a good documentary on that by a British filmaker who did one on ***** Fleiss.

The FEDS too down La Cosa Nostra, they dont take losses very well.

watch the movie Donnie Brasco and see how dirty they play to get you.

thevenerablebede

02-16-2005, 08:44 AM

the funny thing is that in the end the verification process was for squat. she still got busted. and somebody, somewhere may or may not have the information that was provided.

thevenerablebede

02-16-2005, 08:49 AM

Originally posted by Jack_Maehoffer
Moya said she always was somewhat proud of her profession, and believes her boasting about it to the media after her arrest angered prosecutors and resulted in their leveling more severe, and according to her, untrue charges. the advice on this board has always been deny, deny, deny.

Ozzy

02-16-2005, 08:50 AM

Originally posted by lepke
Good info bro....She got caught with 2 keys and didn't go to jail that says it all. I'm so glad i never went to that place. You guys who defend the screening process of these motherfuckers really have to have your heads examined. I am not giving anyone real information about myself i'll jerk off first. If they can't go by referals of services that know me, I pass just because it helps me sleep better at night.

If I read that right... she was arrested twice for pos. First time 2 keys, second time 1 key + the wepons charge.

She walked...... both times.

And they called ME a RAT?

bangbroads

02-16-2005, 08:52 AM

"I feel like a witch in Salem," she said. "I'm devastated. There are dozens of madams in the city and I'm the only one being singled out because I talked to the media one time ...

wtf, anybody know what she's referring to??

This reminds me of JillianBradley's being on 20/20 in like 97 and being busted right after the broadcast on ABC.

I mean how some of these people run businesses is beyond me.

Anybody have that footage of **** on 20/20, it was pretty good actually.

Jack_Maehoffer

02-16-2005, 08:59 AM

justme

02-16-2005, 10:50 AM

Originally posted by slinkybender
Contact info?

Without looking I'd be willing to bet you could find 'her' on Suicide Girls.

Bebop

02-16-2005, 12:52 PM

"I'm leaving sex biz
Julie Moya says she's quit the brothel and, when she gets out of jail, she'll focus on caring for animals"

She's likes the monger life.

lepke

02-17-2005, 12:51 AM

Originally posted by Ozzy
If I read that right... she was arrested twice for pos. First time 2 keys, second time 1 key + the wepons charge.

She walked...... both times.

And they called ME a RAT?

This chick may never make it out of jail. I'd be surprised if some bull dike doesn't stick her one day for some cigs. Rats are the preferd targets in the pen...Oz you just like free pussy doesn't make you a bad guy...(LOL)

capitan

02-17-2005, 01:25 AM

Yes, LE is making an example out of J. Moya...it was such an easy shot....a blind man could have hit the bull's eye.

Her real mistake was being to high profile.

I agree with her.... "to bad it isn't legal"

Straight ahead,
Capy

whitelightening

02-17-2005, 01:30 AM

They released the additional charges against her to the public today. She has a huge mountain to climb on this one. Approxiametly 54 counts, all felonies.
Sexual Acts, Rape all involving minors under 17 yo with the actors being 21 yo or older.
Additional promotion charges.
And the feds have not gotten involved yet with the financial charges or the State with their financial charges (yes the state has a criminal tax division also).

Now to some total BS posted: A review went up on the NY Review Boards for SORINA dated 2/15/05. HOW????
Julies was busted and closed down over 1 week prior.
Why are these reviews accepted when any person who is alive and living in NYC and can read a newspaper or even look at the front page pictures knows what went on and that they are closed. From TER, reviews of bullshit and fantasy

3rd Rail

02-17-2005, 01:46 AM

Originally posted by Ozzy
Yes....

Both girls were let go with a slap on the wrist (not even). One is still here in NYC and the other decided to return to Brazil till the heat dies down.

Originally posted by Ozzy
One of my Brazilain friends just told me of a vice sting at the W hotel on Lex/51st. LE calls an EROS-NY ad and orders up outcall to the W. Place is wired for video and sound. As many as a dozen officers involved. Took in over a dozen girls yesterday.

And no rufus... this is not the same as reading the boards.

Originally posted by Ozzy
Didn't get any of 'my' friends.

As I've said before we can always count on a straight story from Ozzy. First, he posts about the busts at the W then says that none of his friends were busted. Now we find out that one went back to Brazil (could this be Gizelle?) and the other is still here. I always get such a kick out him cause he can never keep his stories straight.

Ozzy

02-17-2005, 02:06 AM

Wasn't Gizele... She wasn't even here yet when the busts happened so stop trying to start shit... I know where you're going with this cause Gizele worked for April as soon as she arrived.... and did so BECAUSE she heard about her friends getting busted cause they didn't have someone doing proper screening.

And you listed those posts out of order intentionally because they served your purpose.

At the time I said "wasn't any of my friends" I hadn't heard any confirmation that any of them was caught. Soon as I found out I stated differently.

Ozzy

02-17-2005, 02:11 AM

btw...

I saw your posts on CL requesting people to post my personal info....

Keep this up and I am going to seriously hurt you like you could never imagine. The word torture comes to mind..... brutal, ruthless, peeling your skin with a dull potato peeler kind of torture that will make what Nazi's and Viet Cong did look tame.

3rd Rail

02-17-2005, 02:19 AM

Originally posted by Ozzy
Wasn't Gizele... She wasn't even here yet when the busts happened so stop trying to start shit... I know where you're going with this cause Gizele worked for April as soon as she arrived.... and did so BECAUSE she heard about her friends getting busted cause they didn't have someone doing proper screening.

Another Ozzy lie from the lie and disinformation factory. More lies told than Micky D hamburger's sold. Check your time line again. She was here before the busts and left just afterwards and hasn't been seen since then.

3rd Rail

02-17-2005, 02:28 AM

Originally posted by Ozzy
btw...

I saw your posts on CL requesting people to post my personal info....

Keep this up and I am going to seriously hurt you like you could never imagine. The word torture comes to mind..... brutal, ruthless, peeling your skin with a dull potato peeler kind of torture that will make what Nazi's and Viet Cong did look tame.

Bwaahahahahahaha.....

You make me laugh soooo hard. Ok, so which is the real Ozzy? The one who makes big tough threats on PMBs and then says he doesn't threaten people and even if he does he's just shooting his mouth off and shouldn't be taken seriously?

Or is he the guy who threatens to drop a dime on Julie's and then when she's busted gloats but doesn't have the guts to take any responsibility for it because he knows that it makes him look bad to put other guys at risk by his outrageous behavior?

I know you've been dying to hear me say who I've been in the past and that every fiber of your being yearns to hear the name Mo-par, but I'm not gonna give that to you. Instead, I get to laugh till I can hardly breath at you asserting who I am and accusing me of posting posts I know I've never made and all the while knowing that in the past, now, and always you haven't got a clue .

Ozzy

02-17-2005, 02:37 AM

Originally posted by 3rd Rail
Another Ozzy lie from the lie and disinformation factory. More lies told than Micky D hamburger's sold. Check your time line again. She was here before the busts and left just afterwards and hasn't been seen since then.

You're wrong.

She came here exactly one week after the busts and she was told of the busts while still in Brazil.

She went home on short notice to take care of some personal business.

You can deny the post on CL all you want..... But I have an ***** from Craig himself that states the person who made that post and the ghost of HVB post are one and the same. Not only that but the contents of this most recent post accusing me of dropping a dime on Julie are almost word for word what was contained in the post requesting my personal information.

I've got allot more than a clue.

cidmo

02-17-2005, 02:39 AM

Originally posted by BigMadM
Im always impressed someone was able to save a handle for over 2 years and only have 3 posts. And this is meant as a compliment.

I guess I just don't have much to say :)

Or, much to add for people who obviously know lots more than I do. I just go hit Gina or an underground club once a month and try to stay low-key.

April

02-17-2005, 02:50 AM

"3rd Rail"

The night I met Gizele she had pretty much just got off an airplane.........her bags were still unpacked in the middle of her livingroom floor....I remember she had no makeup on and still looked beautiful. that bust had ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with me. TG

I don't even think you believe what you'r implying to be true your just trying to start trouble. Please leave me and you misleading insinuations out of your petty squabbles.

Sincerely,
April

Ozzy

02-17-2005, 02:51 AM

Originally posted by Ozzy
You're wrong.

She came here exactly one week after the busts and she was told of the busts while still in Brazil.

She went home on short notice to take care of some personal business.

You can deny the post on CL all you want..... But I have an ***** from Craig himself that states the person who made that post and the ghost of HVB post are one and the same. Not only that but the contents of this most recent post accusing me of dropping a dime on Julie are almost word for word what was contained in the post requesting my personal information.

I've got allot more than a clue.

After checking she came here right those busts... She was told of another bust involving an UTR Brazilian I didn't know.

But she worked for April from the day she stepped off the plane until the day she left right around Xmas time (three weeks after the busts at the W).

So are you insinuating she got busted thru April?

April

02-17-2005, 02:56 AM

BITE your f ing tounge

thevenerablebede

02-17-2005, 03:03 AM

Originally posted by cidmo
I just ... try to stay low-key. with all the shit flying around that sounds like the best plan

BigMadM

02-17-2005, 03:06 AM

I feel responsible for 20% of his posts.

Ozzy

02-17-2005, 03:09 AM

That should say she came here right 'after' those busts.

But Gizele worked for April from the start and almost exclusively... You know this is true because we argued about Aprils ability to book Gizele while she was doing her own side work... To which I told you she wasn;t working for other agencies, nor on her own and I dared you or anyone to find a recent ad or contact info on her because other than a few old trusted clients she had from before... she was booking EXCLUSIVELY thru April because she was overly worried about the busts and only trusted April to screen for her.

So I'll ask you again.... Since you brought up the suspicious where abouts of Gizele.... are you implying that she was one of the girls busted? Cause if you are than you must be implying that happend while under April's watch.

But I'll answer your question because many here already know the girls involved..... One of them was Monica (she returned to Brazil) and the other is one I won't name for her safety because she is still working in NYC and I'll leave it at that.

April

02-17-2005, 03:42 AM

I'd really prefer my name left out of this thread.

Is the 5*'s star spot is already taken?

*****

Slinky Bender

02-17-2005, 03:43 AM

Originally posted by Ozzy
You can deny the post on CL all you want..... But I have an ***** from Craig himself that states the person who made that post and the ghost of HVB post are one and the same.

That would be more of Craig being full of shit in one way or another. He's stated that he won't ever give up that type of info without a subpeona. He's also shown that he's in the middle of stirring up a lot of this shit on his boards (even though he tries to let his lackies laim he doesn't pay any attention to it). And he has outright lied about things like this in the past (to cover his tracks, to slam people he doesn't like, to do favors for cronies... the list goes on). So I don't think you can take anything Craig has to say as the truth, just like you can't take anything he has to say as truthful.

(of course, that doesn't mean that whatever posts weren't made by the same person.... it just means you can't tell shit from ..... ).

3rd Rail

02-17-2005, 03:47 AM

Originally posted by April
"3rd Rail"

The night I met Gizele she had pretty much just got off an airplane.........her bags were still unpacked in the middle of her livingroom floor....I remember she had no makeup on and still looked beautiful. that bust had ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with me. TG

I don't even think you believe what you'r implying to be true your just trying to start trouble. Please leave me and you misleading insinuations out of your petty squabbles.

Sincerely,
April

A guilty conscience needs no accuser. I never mentioned your name or the name of your agency.

April

02-17-2005, 03:51 AM

I have nothing to prove to you.

Cloud Nine

02-17-2005, 04:14 AM

Originally posted by slinkybender
That would be more of Craig being full of shit in one way or another. He's stated that he won't ever give up that type of info without a subpeona. He's also shown that he's in the middle of stirring up a lot of this shit on his boards (even though he tries to let his lackies laim he doesn't pay any attention to it). And he has outright lied about things like this in the past (to cover his tracks, to slam people he doesn't like, to do favors for cronies... the list goes on). So I don't think you can take anything Craig has to say as the truth, just like you can't take anything he has to say as truthful.

(of course, that doesn't mean that whatever posts weren't made by the same person.... it just means you can't tell shit from ..... ).

I was about to say something similar. Craig wouldnt give me jack shit either when I was getting threatened on CL also. (and I hardly even posted at all on his boards to boot- maybe 4 posts max?) Took him forever to remove stuff as well. I would never use the word helpful in regards to craig.

3rd Rail

02-17-2005, 04:17 AM

Originally posted by Ozzy
That should say she came here right 'after' those busts.

But Gizele worked for April from the start and almost exclusively... You know this is true because we argued about Aprils ability to book Gizele while she was doing her own side work... To which I told you she wasn;t working for other agencies, nor on her own and I dared you or anyone to find a recent ad or contact info on her because other than a few old trusted clients she had from before... she was booking EXCLUSIVELY thru April because she was overly worried about the busts and only trusted April to screen for her.

So I'll ask you again.... Since you brought up the suspicious where abouts of Gizele.... are you implying that she was one of the girls busted? Cause if you are than you must be implying that happend while under April's watch.

But I'll answer your question because many here already know the girls involved..... One of them was Monica (she returned to Brazil) and the other is one I won't name for her safety because she is still working in NYC and I'll leave it at that.

You're such a dunce. I never mentioned April's or your agency. lol.
She was here when the bust happened and left after that.
April posted that she was available on 11/25/04 and you posted of the bust on 12/2/04. She had her own ad posted during that time as well. So you're wrong again.

You sound like one of those guys who rushes in to protest that he's absolutely certain that some girl doesn't do BBFS. How do you know that she didn't see old clients on her own or see referrals from old clients? Are you her "manager"? Besides, I never stated that Gizelle was busted but asked that as a question. You and April have to lay off those drugs cause it's addling both your brains.

3rd Rail

02-17-2005, 04:19 AM

Originally posted by Ozzy

But I'll answer your question because many here already know the girls involved..... One of them was Monica (she returned to Brazil) and the other is one I won't name for her safety because she is still working in NYC and I'll leave it at that.

And I guess Monica wasn't one of your "friends"? And I guess your post denying that any of your friends was busted wasn't disinformation?

3rd Rail

02-17-2005, 04:20 AM

Originally posted by April
I have nothing to prove to you.

Translation = "ooops!!!"

3rd Rail

02-17-2005, 04:24 AM

Originally posted by Ozzy
You're wrong.

She came here exactly one week after the busts and she was told of the busts while still in Brazil.

She went home on short notice to take care of some personal business.

You can deny the post on CL all you want..... But I have an ***** from Craig himself that states the person who made that post and the ghost of HVB post are one and the same. Not only that but the contents of this most recent post accusing me of dropping a dime on Julie are almost word for word what was contained in the post requesting my personal information.

I've got allot more than a clue.

An ****** from Craig? lol. Sounds likeyou've got the 2 stone tablets from mount Sinai in your hands. lol.

I posted here before denying that I made that Ghost of HVB post on 6996 and told you that someone liked that post and had reposted it several times. Unlike you, who denied on UG that you posted that threat against me on 6996, but privately admitted to doing it on OS, I meant what I said.

Slinky Bender

02-17-2005, 05:02 AM

Originally posted by 3rd Rail
A guilty conscience needs no accuser.

Stop stealing my lines.

JoeyP

02-17-2005, 05:27 AM

Ozzy

02-17-2005, 06:00 AM

Originally posted by 3rd Rail
An ****** from Craig? lol. Sounds likeyou've got the 2 stone tablets from mount Sinai in your hands. lol.

I posted here before denying that I made that Ghost of HVB post on 6996 and told you that someone liked that post and had reposted it several times. Unlike you, who denied on UG that you posted that threat against me on 6996, but privately admitted to doing it on OS, I meant what I said.

You know nothing about whats inside OS cause I never mentioned making any threats there.

If it wasn't posted by "0z" in registered letters than it wasn't posted by me. I just threatened you here so I don't need to hide behind an alias.

You made that post.

Ozzy

02-17-2005, 06:02 AM

Originally posted by 3rd Rail
And I guess Monica wasn't one of your "friends"? And I guess your post denying that any of your friends was busted wasn't disinformation?

I just fucking told you that at first I didn't know who was involved and you posted my quotes out of sequence to suit your needs.

I guess the girls were ashamed and didn;'t want ANYONE to know. A day or two later when I spoke to Monica she admitted to me it was her and another of the girls.

Ozzy

02-17-2005, 06:07 AM

Originally posted by 3rd Rail
You're such a dunce. I never mentioned April's or your agency. lol.
She was here when the bust happened and left after that.
April posted that she was available on 11/25/04 and you posted of the bust on 12/2/04. She had her own ad posted during that time as well. So you're wrong again.

You sound like one of those guys who rushes in to protest that he's absolutely certain that some girl doesn't do BBFS. How do you know that she didn't see old clients on her own or see referrals from old clients? Are you her "manager"? Besides, I never stated that Gizelle was busted but asked that as a question. You and April have to lay off those drugs cause it's addling both your brains.

She didn't have her own ad at that time or YOU would have called me on that dare and posted her info when I said it wasn't available. You and countless others would love to throw something like that in my face and prove me wrong. If I wasn't so sure about her not having her own ad at that time, I'd never have dared anyone here to find one.

And I stated she saw some of her regs on the side..... But we all know a regular couldn't very well be busting anyone he'd already fucked. I believe that’ called entrapment.

Ozzy

02-17-2005, 06:16 AM

Originally posted by Cloud Nine
I was about to say something similar. Craig wouldnt give me jack shit either when I was getting threatened on CL also. (and I hardly even posted at all on his boards to boot- maybe 4 posts max?) Took him forever to remove stuff as well. I would never use the word helpful in regards to craig.

He didn't send me any info like IP's/ISP or anything of the sort. All he did was acknowledge that the posts were made by the same person when I inquired.

Not 4 nothing but Craig has on occasion posted what ISP a certain poster causing trouble was using.

Perhaps with me it was because I've never posted there under any name and appeared to be an innocent with no agenda being drawn into something on his board. Plus the fact I never bitched to him about anything.......

Or maybe it was because I sent him his personal info (sent to me by a friend) and asked him how he'd feel if I left it up on my site.... letting him believe thats where I got it.

He replied to me rather quickly.... within an hour or two.

Once I show I mean business and hunt down and hurt 3rd rail... no one will ever fuck with me again.

dr_skins

02-17-2005, 06:19 AM

Why are you all entertaining this 3rd-rail moron's bullshit? He's just contradicting everything Ozzy or April says, regardless of how well supported by corroborative info from the umpteen other people on the board who could probably easily vouch for them.

For what it's worth I've never met April or Ozzy or anyone else who actually posts from here, but it becomes very clear who's been around when you start to check things out for yourself in the real world and compare notes. I'll add here that I stick mostly to the garden state, which is the main reason I haven't ever tried to contact April....yet.

So, anyway's I never made it to Julie's but I did get to see her on TV, at least.

Ozzy

02-17-2005, 06:22 AM

Thanks... After this I'm leaving him be until I or an associate knock on his door.

btw... you any relation to Mr. Skin (mrskin.com)

dr_skins

02-17-2005, 06:25 AM

lol....no. Skins is a reference to drums. I've been playing for over 20 years. I also happen to be a doc. There's where my stupid handle comes from.

whitelightening

02-17-2005, 07:13 AM

With the new charges unsealed totaling 54 felonies, no waqy to make bail since one cannot prove their source of capital was not from ill gotten gains seems the road ahead for Julie and her team is a rough one.
To finance a defense against so many felonies one is looking at a legal bill upwards of $1 million with outsourcing being investigators, motions, billable hours that one atty cannot support will need to bring in "as-counsel", subp. record information and telephone searches, tails on her former workers who potentially can and will be testifying against her, backgrounds on any and all clients she can possibly find for credibility regarding the age of the women they visited.
Where is the money going to come from to pay for all of this. An decent criminal atty bills at $400 p/hr, investigators bill at $100 p/hr plus expenses and you are speaking of a team needed to track and trace all 25 present and past employees in the underground.
If she cannot show $500,000 for bail, cash or property where then is she going to get and show (getting I am sure she has) but showing the source of the money to pay for the defense team.
Her website is asking for contributions in the future through her attys office. What are we talking about, chump change when it comes to millions needed for a defense.
A plea will be coming very soon, watch with time served being counted.
And these are only the state charges, what about the federal tax, conspiracy, RICO, and then the state tax etc.
Ask to do federal white collar time and retire on camp cupcakes medical and dental plan.

Ozzy

02-17-2005, 08:52 AM

Don’t believe that shit about Julie giving all her money to the dogs.... cats, birds, squirles, rats whatever.... And not having any money for her bail. For one.. her bail is probaly a "secure bond", which means she or anyone who posts bail for her has to account for that money and prove it was legally gotten.

Also, during one of her drug busts (or both?) she had Lynne Stewart handling her defense. I don't think a shark of her stature was doing very much pro-bono work that late in her career. Not like she was right out of law school.

I could probably say something about Julie, Crack Head Larry Davis and Sheik Omar Abdel el-Rahman all sharing the same attourney...... But I won't.

See I can be a nice guy.

whitelightening

02-17-2005, 10:10 AM

What I was saying Ozzy was that she has the money but CANNOT SHOW FROM WHERE OR HOW IT WAS OBTAINED.

Lynnn Stewart may be a shark but she is an atty with a cause type atty, not interested in the money but the cause. Larry Davis had no money but that was white against black, white cop, black defe., Sheik terrorist was her cause to topple the govt, drugs are the poor women being framed as a curreir etc cause.

Julie has the cash but there is no way she can prove where or how she obtained it.

As to the dogs, lets get things straight, what does a vet cost especially when you are probably paying him in free pussy from her staff.

Dog food, what do they eat fillet mignon, turtles, a head of lettuce a week at 79 cents. All the money is probably off shore, and no one has access to it because remember her son worked for her also and was probably caught up in the bust and his passport taken. So that only leaves the trusted atty to get to the money to pay himself.

WOULD YOU TRUST AN ATTY WITH AN UNACCOUNTABLE OFFSHORE ACCOUNT? No one would, so you sit in jail and wait for the black book calls to surface attempting to expose the big shots she serviced.

BigMadM

02-17-2005, 10:18 AM

I dont know anything about Julie, she has problems for sure, but I wonder.
Musta been alot of police officers, politicians, etc....using her services..........might be alot of people sweating under the collar, not because they might get exposed, but because they might be in shallow waters concerning their careers....

3rd Rail

02-17-2005, 10:29 AM

Originally posted by Ozzy
I just fucking told you that at first I didn't know who was involved and you posted my quotes out of sequence to suit your needs.

I guess the girls were ashamed and didn;'t want ANYONE to know. A day or two later when I spoke to Monica she admitted to me it was her and another of the girls.

God, I wish I had added to my first post a thought I had at that time which was that one of the other things that makes me laugh soooo much is when you make a declarative statement that such and such is an absolute fact and paint yourself into the corner. Then you have to go and make up a cute little story as to why your initial information was incorrect and how now you know the whole true story.

Most often this occurs when the story you tell the first time suits one purpose and then when you have some other purpose you have to do more of your famous revisionist history so that the new story can fit whatever that new purpose is. It's just too entertaining when a liar gets caught up and trips over his own lies.