Riviera Club in Astoria

[Jay Wood]

I was on another board and a new place was mentioned called the Riviera Club in Astoria. I never heard of this place. The grand opening is apprently this weekend. Any info?

[Tcat425]

Originally posted by Jay Wood
I was on another board and a new place was mentioned called the Riviera Club in Astoria. I never heard of this place. The grand opening is apprently this weekend. Any info?
I went to the "Grand Opening" and unless I have the wrong city (as in NY) it didn't open. I do have it on good authority that it should be opening before the end of the month, but who really knows.

[robnotbob]

Originally posted by Tcat425
I went to the "Grand Opening" and unless I have the wrong city (as in NY) it didn't open.


How do you do this??

[edouble]

They have been advertising in xtreem magazine that they give out for free at the strip clubs. Its somewhere in Astoria down on Steinway and 34th Avenue.

[daengman]

34th Ave & Steinway is actually considered to be Long Island City. It is only a few blocks off Northern Blvd and only a few blocks from Woodside.
I remember a few years back hearing of a nightclub opening right around there. Never seamed to make much of a splash. Maybe Riviera is at same location.

[Tcat425]

Originally posted by daengman
34th Ave & Steinway is actually considered to be Long Island City. It is only a few blocks off Northern Blvd and only a few blocks from Woodside.
I remember a few years back hearing of a nightclub opening right around there. Never seamed to make much of a splash. Maybe Riviera is at same location.

No I think this club used to be a gay club a few years ago but it has been shuttered for a while. I have been told this place is across the street from P.C. Richards diagaonally across from the Steinway Billiards Cafe. It may not be open till after New Year's Day

[edouble]

Originally posted by daengman
34th Ave & Steinway is actually considered to be Long Island City. It is only a few blocks off Northern Blvd and only a few blocks from Woodside.
I remember a few years back hearing of a nightclub opening right around there. Never seamed to make much of a splash. Maybe Riviera is at same location.

Sorry buddy you are wrong, it's Astoria.

[edouble]

Originally posted by Tcat425
No I think this club used to be a gay club a few years ago but it has been shuttered for a while. I have been told this place is across the street from P.C. Richards diagaonally across from the Steinway Billiards Cafe. It may not be open till after New Year's Day

Ya I drove through that area a week ago and noticed that the gay club was shut down. It looks like it will be there.

[daengman]

Originally posted by edouble
Sorry buddy you are wrong, it's Astoria.

34th Ave and Steinway is ZIP Code 11101 which is Long Island City.

[daengman]

as further proof

go to the USPS ZIP Code look-up page

For street type in 3401 Steinway Street

Leave city blank

click on NEW YORK for the State

for zip code put in 11101

click to get results


see what is the city identification which is displayed

case closed

[george1948]

Originally posted by daengman
34th Ave and Steinway is ZIP Code 11101 which is Long Island City.

Let's talk about strip clubs - leave the arguing about zip codes to Newman and David Berkowita, ok?????

[edouble]

Originally posted by daengman
34th Ave and Steinway is ZIP Code 11101 which is Long Island City.

Don't tell me what it says cause that doesnt mean shit. I grew up blocks away and know the area like the back of my hand.

Your computer mumbo jumbo is funny as you try to argue with your computer moniter.

btw: if you take a walk up Steinway and bang a left on Broadway. Take that to 44 or 45 street you will see the closest post office in the area.

[Tcat425]

For mail it's L.I.C.for 911 it's ASTORIA for the rest of us it only matters if the dancer's boobs warrant their own zip code and her legs thier own precinct!

[edouble]

Originally posted by Tcat425
For mail it's L.I.C.for 911 it's ASTORIA for the rest of us it only matters if the dancer's boobs warrant their own zip code and her legs thier own precinct!

LOL

At one point all of western queens was considered LIC.

[brykster]

holy shit. what the fuck is this????? just pull out your dicks and let's see who's longer. anybody wanna ditch the geography lesson and talk about...oh....i dunno....maybe a fuckin' strip club.

[edouble]

Originally posted by brykster
holy shit. what the fuck is this????? just pull out your dicks and let's see who's longer. anybody wanna ditch the geography lesson and talk about...oh....i dunno....maybe a fuckin' strip club.

I guess I loose based on dick size. :(

[Gavvy Cravath]

Now that place "Crash" is going to become a strip club, isn't that within 1000 ft of residential area? The movie theater is right around the block, too.

Damn that Rudy! Bring back Wiley's!

Gavy

[brooksupstate]

now THAT was a fun place.

oh, and by the way, 34th and Steinway is in Astoria, occasionally referred to as Long Island City (just like my old neighborhood of Dumbo was referred to as Brooklyn Heights or even Fort Greene... not worth losing sperm over)

[Gavvy Cravath]

I've been hanging out with "Cheyenne" from the Crazy Horse (formerly Mirage) in the Bronx. She mentioned that she's going to be cocktail waitressing over there in two weeks. We'll see...

Gavy

[Tcat425]

Originally posted by gavycrav
I've been hanging out with "Cheyenne" from the Crazy Horse (formerly Mirage) in the Bronx. She mentioned that she's going to be cocktail waitressing over there in two weeks. We'll see...

Gavy
Heard the same thing from a girl at Goldfingers. BTW my little birdie tells me this week or next week on a tuesday or thursday nite/ See you all there.

[Dvaenport]

Even though I'm going in a different direction (Sclubs--> P.E.'s & VIP) please expound on clubs in the Bx gavycrav, any Xtra action goin' on?
I've also been seeing more & more pornstars posting for different situations.
BTW what does Cheyenne look like?

(legend: P.E.'s= private encounters)

[Tcat425]

Originally posted by Dvaenport
Even though I'm going in a different direction (Sclubs--> P.E.'s & VIP) please expound on clubs in the Bx gavycrav, any Xtra action goin' on?
I've also been seeing more & more pornstars posting for different situations.
BTW what does Cheyenne look like?

(legend: P.E.'s= private encounters)
Best action in Bronx stip club is the private champaign room with your regular at Sin City. Be careful tho... the police have been shutting clubs down all over town.
El Gato

[Dvaenport]

I went to SINCITY about a year ago. It definitely has it's own appeal. I'm guessing this is updated info. If so I'll go back on a free night and check it out. Any other comments are welcome...THx

[Gavvy Cravath]

Hi folks,

Actually, I stumbled into "Crazy Horse" about a month ago on a Tuesday afternoon. I don't really hang in the BX much after work. "Cheyenne" is a very fit black girl with a nice weave. You'll know her from her claim to fame with a cell phone. She's pretty and talks a nice game.

The place that I ust found and has been around for a while is in Long Island City right by Van Dam Street underneath the LIE...the name is escaping me...but I was there last weekend and a few of the girls from Nickels and Dumbartons were there. I got a quote for 1.40 for the "Champagne Room" and was given the nod and wink that it was f/s.

I'll swing by Riviera tonight and review if it's open. The manager of Riviera is Kosta. If I can assume anything, this place will be employed by Latinas. Greeks love Latina girls...and for good reason.

Gavy

[Dvaenport]

Originally posted by gavycrav
Hi folks,

Actually, I stumbled into "Crazy Horse" about a month ago on a Tuesday afternoon. I don't really hang in the BX much after work. "Cheyenne" is a very fit black girl with a nice weave. You'll know her from her claim to fame with a cell phone. She's pretty and talks a nice game.

The place that I ust found and has been around for a while is in Long Island City right by Van Dam Street underneath the LIE...the name is escaping me...but I was there last weekend and a few of the girls from Nickels and Dumbartons were there. I got a quote for 1.40 for the "Champagne Room" and was given the nod and wink that it was f/s.

I'll swing by Riviera tonight and review if it's open. The manager of Riviera is Kosta. If I can assume anything, this place will be employed by Latinas. Greeks love Latina girls...and for good reason.

Gavy

Gavy there's nothing near Vandam underneath the LIE !!
What are you takin' about?

[Gavvy Cravath]

Originally posted by Dvaenport
Gavy there's nothing near Vandam underneath the LIE !!
What are you takin' about?

Hey Dvaenport!

I kind of knew when I posted that my directions were confusing. Sorry...my bad! OK, heading west bound on the LIE you get off at the Van Dam Street exit. You cross over Van dam and I think you are on Borden. Take Borden down a few blocks and you are forced to cross under the LIE. A few blocks down on your right hand side is CLUB INFINITY. I forgot the name in my last post.

All the same girls from Dumbarton's and Nickles are there.

Have fun!

Gavy

[Dvaenport]

Originally posted by gavycrav
Hey Dvaenport!

I kind of knew when I posted that my directions were confusing. Sorry...my bad! OK, heading west bound on the LIE you get off at the Van Dam Street exit. You cross over Van dam and I think you are on Borden. Take Borden down a few blocks and you are forced to cross under the LIE. A few blocks down on your right hand side is CLUB INFINITY. I forgot the name in my last post.

All the same girls from Dumbarton's and Nickles are there.

Have fun!

Gavy

No problem G
I kinda thought it was that club...I haven't been there in over a year. OK then , what are the best nights to go?

[Gavvy Cravath]

Brothers,

I went out tonight and drank hardcore. I was at Guadalajara de Noche and Flamingo tonight in Jackson Hts and Roosevelt (btwn 85 and 86 Streets), Pretty cool. I am trying to get with one of the "meseras" over there and I did pretty good...damn, I am hammered.................

You guys are cool. I wanted to go to Infinity but it was late and I had blown all of my $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ so Flamingo was the second choice. Fun night.....I actually danced bachata...holy cow, I was horrible...thank god I redeemed myself with the vallenatos...gusy I gotta go......

See you when we hang out at RIVIEZarra...

GAVY C

[Dvaenport]

I guess the new CLUB on Steinway is open by now......

[Gavvy Cravath]

Talked to the guys at the door. I asked about zoning of the place and they basically said it will be a "top notch" steak house in the area in about a week.

I didn't go in...I wound up going to "Les Amis" on Ditmars Blvd, a Greek joint run by a French guy. Very expensive, but cute bartenders. Did get Johnnny Walker "GREEN" there for the same price as "BLACK", though. ($6). The cocktail waitress was a little green herself, I gather.

I haven't seen GREEN in a bar before, I have only seen it in coustoms and overseas. Are they selling it here yet? If not, anyone know the reason why?

Gavy

[Phoenix]

Hey Dvaenport!

I kind of knew when I posted that my directions were confusing. Sorry...my bad! OK, heading west bound on the LIE you get off at the Van Dam Street exit. You cross over Van dam and I think you are on Borden. Take Borden down a few blocks and you are forced to cross under the LIE. A few blocks down on your right hand side is CLUB INFINITY. I forgot the name in my last post.

All the same girls from Dumbarton's and Nickles are there.

Have fun!

Gavy

I've been there. Got to Finger fuck this tall wild satan worshipping chick and she sucked me BB but not TC. Still...all in all a great time. Was about 2 years ago I do believe and lost contact with her. Tried desperately to keep in touch but after while her ***** addresses just stopped working.

[luster1]

well now that the zip code debate has died down...
I went to Riviera on its second night. It must be about a month ago by now.
The decor was nice. Probably a bit nicer than Gallaghers 2000 in Queens. Sort of an odd setup. They've got two main rooms, and I guess the girls would switch between rooms. One is a bar, one is a lounge type room. The lounge room was pretty empty but the bar room was fairly full.
The staff was fairly new and I think a lot of the dancers were rookies. That can be good as I hate getting hounded.
Eventually got a lap dance in the back.
You go to a room, with smaller sub-divided rooms inside it, each with a curtain. The sub rooms were probably 3'x6'. I got a dance from an eastern european woman, fairly petite. As I remember my hands roamed fairly freely. She grinded me well. got me very close. The thing that I disliked was that the bouncer would knock after every song. Perhaps I should have just started with 2 or 3 dances in the beginning. Other than that, the quality of dance was fairly good.

[Tcat425]

they also have two private party rooms $500 ph you can share cost w/ friends. girls not included in price.

[Dvaenport]

they also have two private party rooms $500 ph you can share cost w/ friends. girls not included in price.Good.. when I have some money to BURN in exchange for next to nothing I'll consider it.

[pinga]

Was at Infinity a week ago and talk about diversity and quality; there was a hot black chick (8.5), a couple old skanks (3.5) and others in between. Laps are given in a curtained room with a guy checking the action every few minutes. I did not partake but I remember the upstairs lounge used to be the lapdance area when Infinity first opened; now that area is closed. Did not recognize anyone from Dumbartons except for one chunky black chick.

[Dvaenport]

Was at Infinity a week ago and talk about diversity and quality; there was a hot black chick (8.5), a couple old skanks (3.5) and others in between. Laps are given in a curtained room with a guy checking the action every few minutes. I did not partake but I remember the upstairs lounge used to be the lapdance area when Infinity first opened; now that area is closed. Did not recognize anyone from Dumbartons except for one chunky black chick.Went here last week, during the evening, and did not see any skanks but a nice selection. also saw one of the dancers from there at a UG event uptown. It must be a good place to work..
They get a cut of everything including the drinks IF you order champagne.

[Gavvy Cravath]

Dvaen,

Was that Infinity or Riviera Club you are talking about? I was at Infinity last night and the girls were all pretty much OK, except or an older Latina.

I gotta check out Riviera, though...

Gavy

[Dvaenport]

Club Infinity G. Never been to Riviera. Heard, on this board, it's comparable to G2000. Don't really know but, from the pictures I've seen it looks like an upscale strip club. Will make it out there when I get back from Texas.

[Gavvy Cravath]

...about your time down in Texas, bro. As you know, I am partial to the Latinas, so let me know if you get to sample any of those fine Chicanas that Texas has to offer...

Looking forward to your report. I'll try to hit Riviera this weekend.

Have fun,
Gavy

[Truth]

A couple of friends went to Riviera last night and so a few notes:

1) great looking place

2) model-beautiful Puerto Rican bartender chick

3) $8 beers

[justlooking]

The bartender I dealt with at the Riviera was the stupidest, most incompentent one I've ever seen anywhere.

ME: I'll have a Manhattan.

HER: What's a Manhattan?

ME: Whiskey, vermouth, and bitters, with a cherry.

HER: We don't have that.

ME: Do you have any cocktails at all?

HER: What's a cocktail?

ME: You know, a mixed drink.

HER: No, we don't have that.

ME: So you just have beer?

HER: No, we have other things.

ME: What other things?

HER: You know, drinks.

ME: So I can have a gin and tonic?

HER: OK.

I mean, you don't necessarily go to strip clubs for their expert mixologists (although when they have a competent bartender it's a plus), but for $14 a drink, in those pseudo-plush surroundings, you'd at least figure she'd know what a fucking cocktail is.

[Ozzy]

I gotta check this place out if for anything just the bartenders.... the hot PR one and the stupid one... though I bet the stupid one is probably pretty hot too. No marginally good looking chick could get away with being THAT stupid.

[Gavvy Cravath]

Spent about an hour and a half at Otro Rollo, the Mexican dollar a dance place on Broadway, and then went to Riviera for the first time. My friend "Cheyenne" was not working. The dancers are OK. Some real pretty girls. The worst girls there were 7s. It was Sunday and not crowded. Not a lot going on, though.

Nice joint. I think the location is cursed, though. So many places have come and gone over the last ten years on that spot.

later,
Gavy

[Truth]

Gavy, you remember when 'Silver Screens' was there?

Before all these nightspots popped up in Astoria the last 10 years, Silver Screens was THE spot.

I remember waiting on line and praying that the pathetic excuse for a fake I.D. i had was gonna work ..... and it usually did, lol.

[Gavvy Cravath]

Wow, "Silver Screens"! You're right. Man, how many places have been on that corner in the last 10 years?

I'd hit The Orchid and then go to Silver Screens very late...that was my typicla weekend back in the day.

Gavy

[Dvaenport]

There is more than meets the eye @ G2000. I will be posting info in this thread about it. BTW the last time I was there (last Friday) there were bout 25 girls working. Maybe there was one 5 and one 6. The rest were 8s and 9s.
My tip today for those who are interested is this: The place has the cheapest VIP I've heard of yet in a legit club. It's $150 (the club gets 30).
However, I going to see what I get for 100. I'll keep you posted!!

[Slinky Bender]

$100 !@@^%$#^#@%$#@ Are you nuts? DON'T OVERPAY!!!!!!!!!!!! Why would anyone spend $100 when you can get it for less than half of that?

[Dvaenport]

Very funny...is there any place cheaper?

[nyclap]

That's definitely the cheapest around that I've seen. I've gone in the VIP a bunch of times. Lots of touching. About a year ago they installed cameras in the ceiling, since then the mileage has gone down in the VIP considerably. The good girls, though, know how to work around the cameras, and will usually do so for minimal additional tip. I usually give 0.5.

I have also found that there is plenty of take out available there, too. Girls at night are almost all Russian and Eastern European.

[george1948]

Very funny...is there any place cheaper?

Maybe, but I wouldn't try it myself....the only advantage is, if you're getting a BJ and whatever for "less than half" of $100, you surely won't have to worry about getting nicked - she probably wouldn't have any teeth anyway!

[Dvaenport]

That's definitely the cheapest around that I've seen. I've gone in the VIP a bunch of times. Lots of touching. About a year ago they installed cameras in the ceiling, since then the mileage has gone down in the VIP considerably. The good girls, though, know how to work around the cameras, and will usually do so for minimal additional tip. I usually give 0.5.

I have also found that there is plenty of take out available there, too. Girls at night are almost all Russian and Eastern European.
Please elaborate. Anything MORE as far as you know?

[Dvaenport]

Maybe, but I wouldn't try it myself....the only advantage is, if you're getting a BJ and whatever for "less than half" of $100, you surely won't have to worry about getting nicked - she probably wouldn't have any teeth anyway! Very Funny

[nyclap]

Please elaborate. Anything MORE as far as you know?

Usually HR. And a phone number for take-out, which I always throw away.

[Dvaenport]

Usually HR. And a phone number for take-out, which I always throw away.IThx. I see well I'm supposed to be getting more than that according the Columbian lady who's offering.
So I guess we'll see. I ll report on it in this thread. In about 2 weeks.
Be there....Aloha!

[nyclap]

IThx. I see well I'm supposed to be getting more than that according the Columbian lady who's offering.
So I guess we'll see. I ll report on it in this thread. In about 2 weeks.
Be there....Aloha!

I'm not sure about that. The VIP areas are just curtained off and anyone who's close by can see what's going on . Then of course, there are those cameras. So any more than HR would have to be very well disguised. Despite these limitations the VIPs at G2000 remain my favorite SC experience - just can't beat the bang for the buck.

Good luck and please report back.

[Harmony Memories]

$100 !@@^%$#^#@%$#@ Are you nuts? DON'T OVERPAY!!!!!!!!!!!! Why would anyone spend $100 when you can get it for less than half of that?
But where these days ? With alll the busts and closings, there seems to be a draught . Keep us inquiring minds in the loop

[nyclap]

[QUOTE=Dvaenport]IThx. I see well I'm supposed to be getting more than that according the Columbian lady who's offering.
QUOTE]


Is it Gigi by any chance?

[Dvaenport]

This Columbiana named Lina.
Was actually by there tonight for about 5 hours and met a few more Columbianas. They told me about a spot in JH called La Oficina. Apparently a bikini bar featuring 9's & 10's not unlike a few other places in Qns.
Anyway I am going to meet a few of the strippers that work at G2000 over there and see what I can do. BTW the VIP area has been upgraded and is now totally private and you cannot see in there. Lets see what happens.....

[truthbsaid]

They told me about a spot in JH called La Oficina. Apparently a bikini bar featuring 9's & 10's not unlike a few other places in Qns.
Anyway I am going to meet a few of the strippers that work at G2000 over there and see what I can do. BTW the VIP area has been upgraded and is now totally private and you cannot see in there. Lets see what happens.....


Where or what is "JH"?

[Gavvy Cravath]

Where or what is "JH"?


JH = Jackson Heights. Actually, La Oficina is more in corona. On 104th just north of Roosevelt Avenue. I was there on Monday night and the place was dead. Weekend is fun, though.

On a personal note, the absolute love of my life, a Mexican girl, worked a a barmaid there. I dated her for 4 months back in 2001. Right after September 11th, she returned to Mexico. I still think about her to this day.

Later,
Gavy

[bangbroads]

There used to be a nice asian/puerto rican girl at G2G, wonder if she's still there? Have not been there in a while, need to see the quality. There was a hot Colombian there like 4 years ago, blond hair, ridiculous body with huge tits and the phattest ass. Forgot her name but dated her for a while, anybody remember her?

Oficina been around for a while, like 4-5 years ago, the girls in there were unreal, straight out of Brazil n Colombia, then in 2003 the quality went down, and stopped going. I wonder if there back on top with the hot girls again.

Many memories but slowed down on the strip scence becuz of $$$.

Glad to see people are still hitting these places up, we should all meet up and trade war stories.

Some of the vets should tell their "game" that has worked at these places and I'm not talkin P4P, haha.

I did well in CityScapes too years ago, but need to go back. Through these stories, I actually miss that scene and feel like hitting it up again.

Thank for the trip down memeory lane!

[Dvaenport]

JH = Jackson Heights. Actually, La Oficina is more in corona. On 104th just north of Roosevelt Avenue. I was there on Monday night and the place was dead. Weekend is fun, though.

On a personal note, the absolute love of my life, a Mexican girl, worked a a barmaid there. I dated her for 4 months back in 2001. Right after September 11th, she returned to Mexico. I still think about her to this day.

Later,
GavyYou will fall in love again, if you're not already pal. Not to discount your past experience but, there is so much out here/there--as I'm sure you know!! Anyhow, the girls I met from G2000 work at La Oficina on the weekends so that is when I'm going. Since you know this place, any additional info would be appreciated like layout, costs and playaction.

[Gavvy Cravath]

Hey Dport!

Thanks for the "encouragement". I dated Ruthie right before my "mongering" days began. She was the greatest. There have been a lot since her, but she was awesome!

Anyway, La Oficina is a bikini joint. You walk in and there is are two stages and one long bar on your right. On your left, there are raised tables. Beers are $6. Most of the barmaids are hot. I was waited on by an older Colombiana (older, she was like 34 :) ) the last time I was there. The girls there are smoking hot for the most part. Since the Guiliani laws, I really haven't seen lap dances there. I don't know if you can set something up with the ladies on the outside, but most of these chicks are Brazilian and, for what it's worth, the Brazilians are usually down for anything when it comes to $$.

There is an absolute 10 that works there. She is Bolivian. She worked there 4 years ago when my Mexicana worked there. I rarely ever say someone is a 10...this girl is super hot...even 4 years after the fact.

By the way, Dport, I was hanging out at Otro Rollo (dollar a dance joint on Broadway near Steinway) and Cavo (Greek club on 31st Ave near Steinway) this weekend. Great weekend. Dollar a dance joint is pretty cool. People are getting used to the "white boys" coming in. Making some contacts. Cavo is cool if you like "trendy". Got to go nicely dressed. A lot of hotties. The guys are mostly pretty boys...European-types. Barmaid got us hammered with shots. If you are down, I will proably hit these joints again this weekend...let me know.

Gavy

[Truth]

I was hanging out at Otro Rollo (dollar a dance joint on Broadway near Steinway)

Used to be the Edelweiss Cafe back in the day.

Anyways, i'm probably gonna hit Otro Rollo on one of the days they're showing some big futbol match there.

It's a good thing i didn't show up last week with my Carlos Tevez jersey on when Chivas shellacked Boca or i woulda gotten chewed up by the eses.

[Gavvy Cravath]

And wouldn't you know it, I was there during that match!

See you there, Truth!

Gavy

[Mr. Wet Wooly]

gavy and co.,

haven't read this thread for awhile. good thing i did. thanks!! la oficina sounds like a great way to brush up on my portugese skills -- berlitz has nothing on a few nights night on roosevelt avenue.

what is the scene like at cavo and similar places in astoria? a year or two ago, it wasn't for me. the clubs attracted this kind of eurotrash meets queens guido crowd, kind of pushy and the guy-girl ratio wasn't good. maybe i was going to the wrong places.

[Gavvy Cravath]

gavy and co.,

haven't read this thread for awhile. good thing i did. thanks!! la oficina sounds like a great way to brush up on my portugese skills -- berlitz has nothing on a few nights night on roosevelt avenue.

what is the scene like at cavo and similar places in astoria? a year or two ago, it wasn't for me. the clubs attracted this kind of eurotrash meets queens guido crowd, kind of pushy and the guy-girl ratio wasn't good. maybe i was going to the wrong places.


Absolutely right about the nights on Roosevelt, Mr. WW! That is where I learned my Spanish. La Oficina is a fun place, hot girls...look for the Bolivian girl...forgot her name.

OK, on to Cavo. Your name isn't Ricky C or Billy, is it? We were talking about that last weekend and that is exactly how we described it: eurotrash. I first went there in November of 2002 and wasn't too impressed. I went in the summer of 2003 and had to wait on line IN ASTORIA of all places. Kind of degrading. But our luck had run dry at the Spanish joints and Greek joints with Spanish barmaids. We had a pretty bad stretch of not even getting digits. (My boy really don't like the dollar a dance joints, either.) So we went back to Cavo andhave hit Remy and Central as well. I like Cavo the best. I have been there 3 times in the past month and hooked up once. You got to go in before 11 o'clock and get pretty hammered pretty quickly. Then all the euro-dicks won't bother you that much and you can focus on the white and Latin hotties that are there. Try it again and let me know what you think. I'll be celebratintgmy friends birthday on Saturday. Look for the bald "George Costanza" looking guy at the first bar and that's me!

Gavy

[nyclap]

BTW the VIP area has been upgraded and is now totally private and you cannot see in there. Lets see what happens.....


Was there last night. The upgrade of the VIP is huge. Now there is plenty of privacy. The dancers still say there are cameras, but I looked around and didn't see any. Price is still $1.5 for 30 minutes.

[Harmony Memories]

Usually HR. And a phone number for take-out, which I always throw away.

So basucally, at G2000, you would end up paying $200 or more for a HJ.
Doesn't sound like much of a bargain to me, after taking in the UG spots, wher you could almost get FS twice for that amount if you looked hard enough.

I actually tried the VIP once at G2000, with one of the most "liberal" girls there, and was a bit disappointed that almost nothing extra was avaiable due to the cameras

[Mr. Wet Wooly]

Absolutely right about the nights on Roosevelt, Mr. WW! That is where I learned my Spanish. La Oficina is a fun place, hot girls...look for the Bolivian girl...forgot her name.

OK, on to Cavo. Your name isn't Ricky C or Billy, is it? We were talking about that last weekend and that is exactly how we described it: eurotrash.
Gavy

nah, that wasn't me. haven't done a "single and looking" night out in j-heights/astoria in awhile. guess "eurotrash" is universally the first thing that comes to mind. jeeez, eurotrash is almost a compliment for them -- how eurotrashy can they be, this is astoria!! at least cross the river to have that much of an attitude. 'euro-dicks' is a better monicker.

i lean towards the more rockero places like la kueva specifically to avoid that, but sometimes you just gotta go to where the chicas are.

'la oficina' -- i love the name. you can tell your wife or girlfriend you were just at the office without lying.

i think due to one of my last posts, there were probably 30 horny guys bustling around the mcdonalds on 103rd trying to find some cheap chicas and the pimps probably got scared away long before, confused as hell about all the crazy gringos showing up.

do you guys hang out in manhattan at all?

[Truth]

What exactly is euro-trash supposed to mean?

(other than "guys who are better-looking and dress better than you"?)

[flabbergasted]

White trash that are borned and raised in Europe. They drink cheap wine instead of beer and have French poodles as their pet in the front porch.

[Mr. Wet Wooly]

What exactly is euro-trash supposed to mean?

(other than "guys who are better-looking and dress better than you"?)


you're 100% right; "eurotrash" has varied definitions.

here i'm using it too descirbe gaudy, vulgar, self-proclaimed pretentious, rude, overstylized european, mediterraneans and south americans from uneducated working class backgrounds in thier own countries that made their money and found success only in the united states but are wholly unappreciative of the opportunity in this country and have a disdain towards americans and american culture in general.

they are identifiable from far distances by their strong perfumes, their tendency to wear too much jewelry and their glimmering hair gels.

i guess real eurotrash go to trendy cafes and night spots, which i don't usually associate with astoria, queens. so i prefer the term "euro-dicks".

i think of queens as a mix of very hard-working people from around the world that are generally down to earth, friendly, and respectful.

guess times are changing.

[Mr. Wet Wooly]

you don't have to look too far to find eurotrash. some of the providers on these boards are classic eurotrash, and they have made a pretty good living for themselves on middle-class american cock.

[Gavvy Cravath]

What exactly is euro-trash supposed to mean?

(other than "guys who are better-looking and dress better than you"?)

Man, Truth, I guess the "truth" hurts, huh? I haven't stopped laughing since I read your post, bro. Hitting up Astoria tonight. First, on to Otro Rollo around 10 PM, then Remy (45th, just south of Ditmars). This is where the girls are at, I don't like it, but I gotta put up with it!

It's funny...I spent a lot of time in the Spanish joints on Roosevelt from 85th to 51st; I crossed over to Greenpoint as well and hit those Latin joints, too. I had a lot of success in those places and I still love 'em, but I am giving this scene a run now.

Later, gents,
Gavy

[Truth]

[QUOTE=Mr. Wet Wooly]
here i'm using it too descirbe gaudy, vulgar, self-proclaimed pretentious, rude, overstylized european, mediterraneans and south americans from uneducated working class backgrounds in thier own countries that made their money and found success only in the united states but are wholly unappreciative of the opportunity in this country and have a disdain towards americans and american culture in general.

They have a disdain towards Americans cuz Americans are stupid, fat and lazy. Why do these "uneducated working class people" come here and succeed so quickly while born and bred Americans are so often unsuccessful idiots, generation after generation? Go check out the pathetic U.S. ranking in international reading, math, and science competitions. Now imagine how much more pathetic it would be if you took all the immigrant U.S. teens who boosted that pathetic ranking for us ..... you know, the ones that keep winning AMERICAN Spelling Bees and Science Fairs.


they are identifiable from far distances by their strong perfumes, their tendency to wear too much jewelry and their glimmering hair gels

True, Europeans don't want to look like slobs when going out at night.

Are you the guy who was at TES wearing a football jersey and sweatpants? Not that Euros don't wear them as well, they just wear their jerseys when they go to a game and their sweatpants when they go to the gym.
Only an American Slob would actually leave his house for the evening with that particular combination on.

[Truth]

[QUOTE=gavycrav]Man, Truth, I guess the "truth" hurts, huh? I haven't stopped laughing since I read your post, bro.

I'm just having some fun with Wet Wooly.

I, myself, can throw a rock from my house and hit Cavo and i've never stepped foot there nor do i plan to cuz places like that aren't my style. Rather than use a term like "Euro-trash", i call them "see and be seen type places". Me, i prefer a grimy hip-hop club if i'm going out or a dump like Tsolias Bar on Hoyt Ave. if i feel like trying to pick up a Spanish Bar Girl. for the fun of it. :D


Hitting up Astoria tonight. First, on to Otro Rollo around 10 PM, then Remy (45th, just south of Ditmars). This is where the girls are at, I don't like it, but I gotta put up with it!

Remy is another place like Cavo 'cept it's a club not a cafe. Gorgeous young girls, yes, but they all think they're God's Gift and i don't have the desire to jump thru hopes for a piece of ass, no matter how hot.

[Gavvy Cravath]

[b][QUOTE=gavycrav].

I, myself, can throw a rock from my house and hit Cavo and i've never stepped foot there nor do i plan to cuz places like that aren't my style. Rather than use a term like "Euro-trash", i call them "see and be seen type places". Me, i prefer a grimy hip-hop club if i'm going out or a dump like Tsolias Bar on Hoyt Ave. if i feel like trying to pick up a Spanish Bar Girl. for the fun of it. :D


.


Tsolias??? So you know Peter and Jimmy, Erica, Teresa, Sandra, Marta and the rest! Bro, I hang there as well. I used to take Erica out from time to time a few years back, knew her from Tres Coronas. Hah, I am going to hit that place tonight, Truth. Going to the Neptune Diner in 45 minutes, then on to Tsolias.

Any news on Peter's new venture, The Hot Spot?

Later,
Gavy

[Gavvy Cravath]

Didn't hit Tsolias tonight. My boy loves "Club 23", which I hate...but it was his night to choose the place. "23" gets lamer and lamer everytime I enter the joint.

Speaking of Tsolias, Teresa and Marta work over at a Greek place with a French name, "Les Amis" on Ditmars, a block east of 31st Street. Expensive joint, I go to shoot the breeze with Teresa. I go way back with that girl...wow...six years now.

I wanted to hit Otro Rolo, but got tired. I'll try to see if I can go sometime before next weekend. A couple of cute cocktail waitresses there...it's time to turn on the "white boy charm".

Later,
Gavy

[Truth]

[QUOTE=Truth][b]Tsolias??? So you know Peter and Jimmy, Erica, Teresa, Sandra, Marta and the rest! Bro, I hang there as well. I used to take Erica out from time to time a few years back, knew her from Tres Coronas. Hah, I am going to hit that place tonight, Truth. Going to the Neptune Diner in 45 minutes, then on to Tsolias.

Any news on Peter's new venture, The Hot Spot?

Later,
Gavy

Saying i know Peter is an understatement, but i haven't kept up with him of late. I don't know how much "dirt" you know, but this is the last i heard ....

- His Greek ex-wife's father was after Pete for leaving his daughter for the Colombian chick. The father was ratting him out to the IRS so Pete had put Tsolias Bar in his new wife's name. When things got bad between Pete and the new wifey, she kicked him out of his own bar. This is why there was a need for a new Pete "venture".

[Gavvy Cravath]

[QUOTE=gavycrav]

Saying i know Peter is an understatement, but i haven't kept up with him of late. I don't know how much "dirt" you know, but this is the last i heard ....

- His Greek ex-wife's father was after Pete for leaving his daughter for the Colombian chick. The father was ratting him out to the IRS so Pete had put Tsolias Bar in his new wife's name. When things got bad between Pete and the new wifey, she kicked him out of his own bar. This is why there was a need for a new Pete "venture".

Peter has always been cool with me. It's funny, I thought Nora (new wife) was Peruvian. Did he get married again? I know that Peter was hitting Marta (tall Paraguayan girl) for over a year. His wife found out and he had to end it. The story that Peter related to me was that Marta was calling his house, talking to his wife, slashing his tires, etc. All the info you have about the father-in-law makes the picture a lot clearer. I knew there was no way that Marta could have messed with his liquor lisence, et al.

Be cool, bro and seeyou at Tsolias,
Gavy

[chefraekwon]

Didn't hit Tsolias tonight. My boy loves "Club 23", which I hate...but it was his night to choose the place. "23" gets lamer and lamer everytime I enter the joint.

Speaking of Tsolias, Teresa and Marta work over at a Greek place with a French name, "Les Amis" on Ditmars, a block east of 31st Street. Expensive joint, I go to shoot the breeze with Teresa. I go way back with that girl...wow...six years now.

I wanted to hit Otro Rolo, but got tired. I'll try to see if I can go sometime before next weekend. A couple of cute cocktail waitresses there...it's time to turn on the "white boy charm".

Later,
Gavy


"white boy charm"..... why dont u explain this one to me? what is this your secret weapon to get latin girls. Your such a bigot n loser. Get a life, your probaly a fat, bald, 40 yo white slob with glasses who thinks he's god's gift to latinas becuz he's white. Then you wonder why papi beats you down and robs you. Damn fckn gringos, you disgust me

[Gavvy Cravath]

"white boy charm"..... why dont u explain this one to me? what is this your secret weapon to get latin girls. Your such a bigot n loser. Get a life, your probaly a fat, bald, 40 yo white slob with glasses who thinks he's god's gift to latinas becuz he's white. Then you wonder why papi beats you down and robs you. Damn fckn gringos, you disgust me

Yeah, try being 5'8" 225 lbs, rock solid. Your ass want a piece? Go flame the fuck away anonymously, asshole. You know what I look like, you know the places I hang out in...just ask for Gavy in Tsolias, Potrero, Jaleo, Tres Coronas...

Kind of sucks that these broads aren't looking for a brother on welfare and living in Queensbridge, man. No "pr" ever beats me down, bro. And not to tip my hand, but I've been on the right side of the clink, if you catch my drift.

Flame away,
Gavy

[chefraekwon]

listen wangsta, I dont care what juice you on or care what you bench press, when the oye's pull out the maca maca n back u down we'll see how much your biceps are gonna help you.

Its funny all of a sudden you transformed into SuperThug, listen Blanco you a poptart and soft with no heart.

How nice of you to avoid the question cuz you know your a racist pig who stalks latinas cuz you think they prefer you to their own kind based on how white your skin is.

I guess Truth was right, you are Euro Trash, let me guess a wop guido,a greek gyro, or a mick cop.

You would never be caught dead in real latin places with kids your own age, assuming your in your 20's, never that cuz mi gente are not lettin you even past the door.

Your pathetic, runnin up in old timer joints where there's no young people, old timer Mexican bars and dollar joints, haha.

If you were a real player n baller, you know where you would be but the dominican and colombian drug dealers would have you piss in your pants.

I know your type doggie and Im not from the bridge but got people out there and Im not on welfare, you racist ignorant bigot.

I guess white boy charm means you work a 9-5, drive mommy's car, live in your parents house, and stalk latinas cuz you cant get real girls in your world.

You prey on latinas from off the boat who are looking for help, not latinas raised here that would laugh at you.

I'm in the same places you been like 4 years ago, either you a youngin or an old man.

Watch what you say you never know who might run up on you with 4 pound, faggot.

Go rent one of your pay for play servants, your a simp with no game.

Typical juice head from Queens, I'm sure you never went to Factory or the Hamptons where the boys from Howard Beach and Middle Village would have stomped you out for trying to act brolic.

I forgot you hang out at places where there no young crowds so you can stand out like a novely act, ngga please.

Keep trickin on them hoes, trick

[Truth]

I guess Truth was right, you are Euro Trash

I never referred to anyone as Euro Trash.

[Gavvy Cravath]

OK, ghetto boy, you know where I hang, come and get me with your sawed off shotgun. I throw bitches like you in the clink down at CB on QB. And I am sure you know what the hell I'm talking about.

Hmmm...don't hang with the Colombians, huh? YOu don't know where I spent last night or every Tuesday night, do you, bro? You tell me where all of JH is on a Tuesday, if you are so ""down" with the Colombians. Man, get over yourself.

Little bitch hiding behind a computer...come find me. I tipped you off as to where you can find me. By the way, I don't get patted down when I walk in to any of these places, so I will be the only one of us carrying.

Let's see how tough you are. The name is Gavy.

[Mr. Wet Wooly]

"white boy charm"..... why dont u explain this one to me? what is this your secret weapon to get latin girls. Your such a bigot n loser. Get a life, your probaly a fat, bald, 40 yo white slob with glasses who thinks he's god's gift to latinas becuz he's white. Then you wonder why papi beats you down and robs you. Damn fckn gringos, you disgust me


How can you assume he's prejudiced because he said "white boy charm"? Sure, he's a gringo that probably speaks Spanish -- a bit of a novelty at some places -- and plays up that angle to get in girls' pants. But so what? He stands out a little and uses it to his advantage. You can't jump to the conclusion he's a bigot simply based on that. You also can't jump to the conclusion that he's "praying" on recently arrived women based on that.

If I went to some Woodside bar with all Irish girls, I might think something like "I'm going to turn on the Latin charm". Am I'm a bigot because of that?

I don't personally know Gavy, but if you bothered to read the thread, you'd realize Gavy is not a bigot and that "white boy charm" is in the context of hanging out with a lot of latin friends.

And frankly, if anyone has said anything somewhat offensive, it's this:

"Then you wonder why papi beats you down and robs you"

No te creo! Like we're all a bunch of street thugs and robbers??

[Gavvy Cravath]

Mr Wet and Truth, I appreciate the support. I really don't like the "hide behind the PC" tactics of the 'net, but it's been this way for more than 10 years and won't change. That's cool.

I kind of jump quickly when an unprovoked attack/flame comes my way. Mostly because flamers are gutless. No one knows who people are and wouldn't dare tell them something to a person's face.

Mr. WW, you hit the nail on the head with your reasoning. I definitely don't mean any harm when I talk of the "white boy charm". As you point out and I believe I posted, being different in a place has it's advantages.

And the invitation still stands, anonymous poster(s), you know where I hang. You want to talk to me...ask for Gavy.

Later,
Gavy

[Mr. Wet Wooly]

And the invitation still stands, anonymous poster(s), you know where I hang. You want to talk to me...ask for Gavy.

Later,
Gavy


oh great. if i see someone who meets your description and try to introduce myself, please don't shoot me!! i'm a peaceful, unassuming pervert.

[Gavvy Cravath]

Ah, you know what, you are right, Mr WW. The other poster got under my collar...he really read into my post. We are all pretty much "unassuming pervs" here...and that is cool.

Heck, you notice me at any of these joints, come up and the next round is on me.

Cheers,
Gavy

[Mr. Wet Wooly]

Finally got around to hanging out in Astoria Friday night. I couldn't believe the amount of tall, hot women hanging out at some of these lounges and bars. I guess you guys have been telling me, but I was a little slow catching on.

The women at these places seemed a lot more flirtatious and had less attitude than what you find on the other side of the river. Is that generally true?

Unfortunately, there was a female in our group and a few "non-pervs", so even mentioning a dollar dance-type joint was out of the question. I really wanted to check out Otro Rollo! Where is it exactly? Steinway?

A few of my friends are Greek and are Astoria regulars, so they had their set list of places to go and people to see. Mostly lounge type places.

I mentioned Tsolias and a friend of mine had been there awhile back, but we didn't go. Next time.

Ended the night passing through JH around 4am. Couldn't believe the amount of working girls strolling about between 74th and 72nd when the bars let out. There were always a few, but I must of spotted 7 or 8, dressed in stripper type outfits.

Unfortunately, I got a closer look and some were sort of scary looking up close and/or very questionably female, but it's good to see some seediness has returned!

[Mr. Wet Wooly]

part of the problem with me is a lot of my boys aren't as ... well, sleazy as i am.

oh fuk it. i've got to check out tsolias and maybe otro rollo. i'll go alone if i can get away one night.

when are good nights to go?

[Gavvy Cravath]

Brothers, great night...i got to sleep now...

give details when i am sober

you are all good people...even the guy who want sto jack mwe

gavy

[Gavvy Cravath]

Damn, I got to stop posting when I am hammered. Anyway, gentlemen, Astoria was hopping again last night. This surprises me because in the past, Astoria , like many Queens joints, gets quiet in the summer (vacations, Hamptons, Jersey shore).

Mr WW, when you check out Tsolias, don't be too disappointed. I think the heyday there was about two years ago. Not too many hotties anymore. I love Peter and enjoy giving him some business, that's why I still visit the joint. Most of the cuties that worked at Tsolias are over at a place called "Les Amis" on Ditmars - east of 31st Street. The thing here is that these girls are all "dating" the older Greek guys there. My good friend Teresa is probably 30 now (wow, time really flies) and her "sugar daddy" has got to be pushing 60. That's the deal in these joints.

I enjoy Otro Rollo for some reason. The place is not as "intense" with the B-Girls like Flamingo. It's more like Potrero in Sunnyside. It's on Broadway, a block east of Steinway. The barmaids are pretty cool. In total, I bought 6 drinks there and the bill was only $20. I got a buy back in there somewhere, which is rare in these Latin joints.

Cavo did not disappoint. Again, I was afraid that it might be dead, but the hotties and "euro-trash" :) were out in full force. Cool place.

On to the thread topic: my boys hit up Infinity and came back with it being "dark" as they put it. I think the days of the FS club are gone for a while.

Question: what do you guys think the owner of Dumbarton's and Nickels is going to do with that property? What exactly could go in those places other than bars?

Just some random thoughts on Father's Day.

Gavy

[Mr. Wet Wooly]

Question: what do you guys think the owner of Dumbarton's and Nickels is going to do with that property? What exactly could go in those places other than bars?

leave 'em as tax write-offs or sell them to someone who will open up a really bad strip club (see for example wiggles) or a porn video store, use them as warehouses to store bootleg dvds, knock off handbags, etc.

believe me, the guys that own those place will think of something. they've got some ingenuity.

it wasn't intentional, but i walked by les amis on ditmars the other night and peered in. mostly empty, older greek-looking men, neighborhood looking place. wasn't for me.

the czech beer garden on 24th proved to be a nice way to spend a summer night and talk up a few hot eastern european girls.

hey, inexpensive pilsner urquell on tap and pierogies. i'm not complaining.

hey gavy,

i drove by a smaller club on 69th st. i think, just north of roosevelt, opposite side of the street from scorpio or scorpion bar. it was popping at 4am and surrounded by all kinds of sleeze. it very well could've been a gay club in that area, i have no idea.

you familiar with this place?

[Gavvy Cravath]

the czech beer garden on 24th proved to be a nice way to spend a summer night and talk up a few hot eastern european girls.

hey, inexpensive pilsner urquell on tap and pierogies. i'm not complaining.

hey gavy,

i drove by a smaller club on 69th st. i think, just north of roosevelt, opposite side of the street from scorpio or scorpion bar. it was popping at 4am and surrounded by all kinds of sleeze. it very well could've been a gay club in that area, i have no idea.

you familiar with this place?

Hey Mr WW, I completely forgot about the Beer Garden! I have been there twice and had a good time. Thanks for reminding me, brother. Definitely a place to go with a group of friends and shoot the breeze.

The bar on 69th St is called Lucho's and you are right...it's completely gay. I am friendly with a bartender over there, Humberto. Man, the stories I have heard about that place! The joint right next door is called 69 Bar, I think. I dated a girl who worked there 4 years ago. She absolutely hated it. Supposedly a lot of powder running around that joint.

The chicken place on the corner, Pollos Marion, is a good place to eat if you are looking for something kind of quick. Marion is a decent guy and the staff is very pleasant.

Later,
Gavy

[Mr. Wet Wooly]

the line for the beergarden on weekends is around the block and doesn't seem to move all that fast. i couldn't figure out why because the place is huge.

pleasant europeans are at the beer garden; eurotrash, on the other hand, are over at the cavo. there's the difference right before your eyes.

whatever was going on late friday night on 69th was insanse. it looked like a b-day party because there were balloons all over the street in front of the club. men in drag, women in drag, even one guy in what looked like a big white bunny suit!

say what you want about that crowd, they know how to party.

[Gavvy Cravath]

say what you want about that crowd, they know how to party.

I couldn't have said it better myself, Mr WW! Being gay AND Colombian? That is a mix ready to party! I have never been to a party thrown by a Colombian where I didn't wind up coming home WAY past my bed time...a fun nation of people. ¡Viva Medellin!

Gavy-

[Truth]

pleasant europeans are at the beer garden; eurotrash, on the other hand, are over at the cavo. there's the difference right before your eyes.


I used to go to the Beer Garden all the time with friends cuz they used to let us smoke weed in the huge outdoor area.

The difference between there and Cavo has nothing to do with where those people "are from" but rather due to one being a lounge crowd while the other is a bar crowd. You could go to any city in the world and you'd get the same impression, that the bar crowd is "fun" while the lounge crowd is pretentious dicks.

[Truth]

BTW .... once in a while they sneak in some Absinth at the Beer Garden.

[J. Lefty]

What I've noticed is a huge influx of ex-Manhattanites hang out at the Beer Garden. Some young, artsy types with tats. Some good looking and some not. I wonder whose easier to score with...the Cavo chics or the Beer Garden chics. I say the chics at the Beer Garden. Just my 2cents.

I used to go to the Beer Garden all the time with friends cuz they used to let us smoke weed in the huge outdoor area.

The difference between there and Cavo has nothing to do with where those people "are from" but rather due to one being a lounge crowd while the other is a bar crowd. You could go to any city in the world and you'd get the same impression, that the bar crowd is "fun" while the lounge crowd is pretentious dicks.

[Gavvy Cravath]

It really depends on what you are presenting, Lefty. The cavo chicks are hot, dress to impress; you have to be what they are looking for, though. Truth hits the nail on the head with his appraisals of both places. The "artsy" white girls...I never, ever was into them. I like my white girls shallow :) . I stick with the Latinas because they possess the best of all races: looks, body, cariñosas, for the most part good maternal instincts.

I really have to stop posting while intoxicated...talk to you all sooon.

Gavy

[Blackbeard]

The "artsy" white girls...I never, ever was into them.
Gavy

I've been in one or two. Some are pretty wild under the sheets.

[J. Lefty]

That's exactly my point. Some are open lots of experimenting.


I've been in one or two. Some are pretty wild under the sheets.

[Blackbeard]

That's exactly my point. Some are open lots of experimenting.

You're righty Lefty. Gavy, imho latin women are the most beautiful in the world, and they can be energetic and sensual, all that. But the "nice" latin girls are socially conservative. Maternal, as you put it.

These ex-Manhattanite hipster white chicks pretending to be poor rub me the wrong way too...

White girls are only good for fucking!

They don't have a problem with one night stands, nsa, open to threesomes, greek, whatever. You won't get that with a latina (at least not for free).

[jamal ginsburg]

The beer garden sounds like my type of place, what's the address?

[J. Lefty]

29-19 24th Avenue (between 29th and 31st street) Astoria

[Truth]

Mr WW, when you check out Tsolias, don't be too disappointed. I think the heyday there was about two years ago. Not too many hotties anymore.

That's an understatement.

I stopped by the other night with a buddy and i was outta there in 5 seconds. The place was empty except for 4 dirty-looking, older guys and just had a "nasty" vibe about it. Nothing like when Pete was there.

Most of the cuties that worked at Tsolias are over at a place called "Les Amis" on Ditmars - east of 31st Street. The thing here is that these girls are all "dating" the older Greek guys there. My good friend Teresa is probably 30 now (wow, time really flies) and her "sugar daddy" has got to be pushing 60. That's the deal in these joints.

We hit Les Amis also but only for a drink as there were really no cuties to be found, though it was packed with guys and couples. The place looks pretty nice for a "bar" and also had the live Greek music Pete used to have at Tsolias.

I enjoy Otro Rollo for some reason. The place is not as "intense" with the B-Girls like Flamingo. It's more like Potrero in Sunnyside. It's on Broadway, a block east of Steinway. The barmaids are pretty cool.

Nothing was happening at Otro Rollo but we did get there kinda early. The bargirl that night was a Colombian chick that was working there for the first time. You could tell she wasn't all that impressed with the place as it showed in her "work" and my friend and i couldn't resist pointing it out to her. She admitted that she felt her job was beneath her seeing as how she has some "marketing degree" from Colombia and she could deal with being a bargirl at her regular Latin/Brazilian spots in Manhattan but that this particular place was not for her.

[kimura]

Sorry buddy you are wrong, it's Astoria.
You're right, that location is actually Astoria, but it can be mailed as LIC. LIC is actually the Vernon-Jackson area and the parts near the Queensborough Bridge.

[chase4u]

I went her last sat and there were some very nice girls working and the club was much better than i expected, i had a good dance with a latin dancer named Heavenly i think, didnt try the CR , just a basic lap. Anyone know if the CR is worth it here and who should i take , i saw an awesome asian girl didnt get her name and a nice latin girl name Violet, anyone try them in the CR yet?

[mamaman]

I was at the riveria club on Saturday night with a few friends. I got a lap with Adriana I think was her name. She says she's Japanese. Really nice body, tight medium size breasts. We got a private room. She allowed light kisssing on the nipples, I started to touch myself and she says for $60 more I could put it between her breasts. I had too much grey goose so I was like sure sounds good. It felt great but could not finish and time was running out. I zipped up gave her 20 and was done for night. Great personality.

[dieselpi]

has riveras opened their steak joint yet?
i heard a while back that they were

and if so has anyone actually eaten there?

[chase4u]

Did anyone try the CR here yet? Is it worth it ?

[nyclap]

I was at the riveria club on Saturday night with a few friends. I got a lap with Adriana I think was her name. She says she's Japanese. Really nice body, tight medium size breasts. We got a private room. She allowed light kisssing on the nipples, I started to touch myself and she says for $60 more I could put it between her breasts. I had too much grey goose so I was like sure sounds good. It felt great but could not finish and time was running out. I zipped up gave her 20 and was done for night. Great personality.

How much is the private room?

[mamaman]

nyclap
well she told me it was 30 per song in the booth, so there was no charge for the booth/w curtain, it cost me 30 for song 60 for boob job and 20 tip cause she was very very accomodating. I just couldn't get it done, too much goose. ./he allowed fingering too. Bouncer stands right by the curtain so you always know they are there.

[mamaman]

nyclap
well she told me it was 30 per song in the booth, so there was no charge for the booth/w curtain, it cost me 30 for song 60 for boob job and 20 tip cause she was very very accomodating. I just couldn't get it done, too much goose. She allowed fingering too. Bouncer stands right by the curtain so you always know they are there.

[chase4u]

Did anyone try anything with Violet or Heavenly, i am going sat night are they worth the CR ? Who else is really nice here ?

[JIMYDR]

nyclap
well she told me it was 30 per song in the booth, so there was no charge for the booth/w curtain, it cost me 30 for song 60 for boob job and 20 tip cause she was very very accomodating. I just couldn't get it done, too much goose. She allowed fingering too. Bouncer stands right by the curtain so you always know they are there.


$110 for what was once $2 or $3. Thats sad indeed.

[Phil I Buster]

Some guys here must be REALLY old, because I can't remember a titty fuck in a VIP at a mainstream club ever being $2 or $3.

In fact, I can't even remember when streetwalkers were $2 or $3. Did they even have cars back then?

[JIMYDR]

Some guys here must be REALLY old, because I can't remember a titty fuck in a VIP at a mainstream club ever being $2 or $3.

In fact, I can't even remember when streetwalkers were $2 or $3. Did they even have cars back then?


I was talking about the windows in time square where for a few dollars they jerked you off. Sorry!

[Phil I Buster]

BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT.

And when did they ever jerk you off for $2? I remember getting to play with the pussy for $2, but a HJ was always $10.

[Gavvy Cravath]

BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT.

And when did they ever jerk you off for $2? I remember getting to play with the pussy for $2, but a HJ was always $10.

When I first did it, it was 10 bucks...back in 91-92? Man, I loved that filth...bring back Wiley's!!!!

Gavy

[JIMYDR]

BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT.

And when did they ever jerk you off for $2? I remember getting to play with the pussy for $2, but a HJ was always $10.


Shoot me!

[Gavvy Cravath]

Shoot me!

What? And risk not seeing pictures from your trip to DR in September? Fuck NO!


Gavy

[JIMYDR]

What? And risk not seeing pictures from your trip to DR in September? Fuck NO!


Gavy


You can go and take your own set of 500 pictures as well.

[mamaman]

I was in the playpen I think, they had a set of booths downstairs and I think the porno on the top floor. There was this thin blond girl with a neon green bikini, it was $2 bucks for touching top, $3 I could touch the bottom..... then she asked if I was interested in more, she said $20 for hj, I was like yeah sure, I went and got more tokens, and that was my first introduction to HJ in Times Square. I will never forget it.

[chase4u]

I am going here friday night any 1 i should look for a great time here, i havent been in here in a min and the only girls i remember Heavenly/Violet didnt seem the type to provide premo vip room service .

[Blackbeard]

Going where? To get a hj in Times Square? Are you going there in a time warp?

[chase4u]

nope no timewarp, i am going to the Rivera club.

[Slinky Bender]

Geraldo has a strip club? Or is it Mariano's?

[Blackbeard]

I'd imagine Geraldo could probably run a damn good strip club. Celebrity appearances, porn stars, lots of funny stuff going on in the back ...

[chase4u]

I went here last night and the club was dead as hell, which is good because must of the girls who work are in the 7-10 range in looks. Since the place was slow the girls gave great dances, with surprise no hustle at all , this club is great with a problem, its local which means you only have astoria locals and some are just sitting around nurseing a beer for 2hrs at a time, right now if this doesnt change they are gonna lose the girls and the place will fold, now the important stuff, can you have 7 to 10 level dance here, why yes if you have some common sense and have game, remember these are hot girls, there is no infinty, dumbarton, types here so if you think that approach will work with this level of girl forget about it, these girls are fine and can work wherever the money is, so come correct and you may have some fun.

[Gavvy Cravath]

Word on the street is that our "beloved" EddyBearNY went to the Riviera last night. Maybe he can revitalize this thread. Looking forward to his review...

Gavy

[EddyBearNY]

Word on the street is that our "beloved" EddyBearNY went to the Riviera last night. Maybe he can revitalize this thread. Looking forward to his review...

Gavy

Went to Rivera last Monday night. The bartenders were out of control hot. All the dancers were super hot project girls. I just went there to kill time. I do see good potential at this spot if you are willing to spend the time and money.

[EddyBearNY]

Arrived Monday at about 10:00. This place has a lot of real hot young babes. An older stripper (maybe 30) hung out with me. She looked real good for her age. We drank and talked, and I went for a VIP with her.

The VIP room is real nice. This is a cool club.

[MarkWorld]

Don't be so coy fellas... details details details

[latinohombre]

Have been here twice but have not tried out the lapdances yet. There is this cute colombian bartender there I'd like to get to know better.

[EddyBearNY]

Have been here twice but have not tried out the lapdances yet. There is this cute colombian bartender there I'd like to get to know better.

Not sure who the columbian is, but I would like to get to know all the bartenders better.

[seeker6591]

Not sure who the columbian is, but I would like to get to know all the bartenders better.

isn't this usually the case?

these days , the bartenders are frequently hotter than the dancers.

what gives here?

maybe masq. will chime in here!

[EddyBearNY]

isn't this usually the case?

these days , the bartenders are frequently hotter than the dancers.

what gives here?

maybe masq. will chime in here!

You are right seek, these bartenders are model material.

[chase4u]

You are right seek, these bartenders are model material.The bartender is Ana and yes she is hotter than all the dancers who work here , this was a nice club but the crowd is kinda of hoody , not bummy young but drug dealer young . The dancers are pretty , but imature and the VIP is kinda pricy, 200 for the club and a tip for the girl which starts at 250 and up depending on the girl , now if you are a regualr you can get some take out action. This is not the type of club where you can expect action just by showing up, you do need to put in work and guys remember this has a young crowd , so if you out of shape and not hip ,expect some resistance . I know they say money makes you handsome but again the dancers are pretty imature , i look way younger than i am and a regualr who tips the bartenders and the doorpeople well , like Justlooking says , make friends with the doorpeople and you will have fun , i did with at least 45 % of the dancers here .

[Gavvy Cravath]

Good words, chase. I am always one who likes to befriend the bouncers/security at the joints I frequent. I've written this many a time, I never wait on lines, have to check my coat, etc. Now, what do you consider "taking care of" the bouncer?

The main guy over at a place like Cavo I usually throw him $20 every other time there. If I am on a date, I love going there on a night when I know the line is going to be around the block and bypassing it.

But, at the grimey places, like some of the "dollar a dance" joints I hit, what's the protocol here?

Gavy

[EddyBearNY]

VIP is kinda pricy, 200 for the club and a tip for the girl which starts at 250 and up depending on the girl.

Compared to Manhattan Clubs, it is a bargin. It's a greatVIP room.

[EddyBearNY]

I know they say money makes you handsome but again the dancers are pretty imature , .

Yes, Many of them think they are runway models. They will have some rude awakening in 5 years.

[chase4u]

Good words, chase. I am always one who likes to befriend the bouncers/security at the joints I frequent. I've written this many a time, I never wait on lines, have to check my coat, etc. Now, what do you consider "taking care of" the bouncer?

The main guy over at a place like Cavo I usually throw him $20 every other time there. If I am on a date, I love going there on a night when I know the line is going to be around the block and bypassing it.

But, at the grimey places, like some of the "dollar a dance" joints I hit, what's the protocol here?

Gavy
I always tip 10 to 20 when i get a regular dance and 40 when i do the VIP room here and always leave the bartenders at least 20 when i leave to go home.

[MarkWorld]

so basically $200 for the VIP; $250+ for the girl & $40 for the bouncer. That's basically $500+ and you still have to put in work and it's a guess as far as what's gonna happen once you get into the VIP room?

How on earth is this a bargain or a good VIP room?

Am I missing something?

[justlooking]

isn't this usually the case?

these days , the bartenders are frequently hotter than the dancers.

what gives here?

maybe masq. will chime in here!

This has been true for all the time I've been going to strip clubs.

I think it's pretty obvious that if a girl is hot enough that she can make a lot of money pouring or selling drinks without exposing herself or providing sexual services, she'll choose to do that and avoid the grimy stuff.

[LARRYDARRELL]

How good is the basic lap dance.

Does this place compare well to Gallaghers 2000?

[chase4u]

This has been true for all the time I've been going to strip clubs.

I think it's pretty obvious that if a girl is hot enough that she can make a lot of money pouring or selling drinks without exposing herself or providing sexual services, she'll choose to do that and avoid the grimy stuff. Perfect statement , this is so true at every club in nyc.

[justlooking]

Also, the pool of women who are willing to be bartenders is a lot bigger than the pool of women who are willing to be strippers. And each club needs fewer bartenders than strippers. So it stands to reason that, if they're using attractiveness as a criterion, they're gonna be able to hire more attractive bartenders than strippers.

[masquerade]

Also, the pool of women who are willing to be bartenders is a lot bigger than the pool of women who are willing to be strippers. And each club needs fewer bartenders than strippers. So it stands to reason that, if they're using attractiveness as a criterion, they're gonna be able to hire more attractive bartenders than strippers.

There's always at least one or two bartenders or cocktail waitresses at strip clubs who end up stripping a few months (or weeks) down the road when they see how much money the dancers are making. Unfortunately, they never seem to be the super hot ones.

[masquerade]

This has been true for all the time I've been going to strip clubs.

I think it's pretty obvious that if a girl is hot enough that she can make a lot of money pouring or selling drinks without exposing herself or providing sexual services, she'll choose to do that and avoid the grimy stuff.

I guess that's how a normal girl's brain works, huh?

[justlooking]

If you could imagine such a thing.

[EddyBearNY]

I have known quite a few dancers, who once they were past there prime, started to tend bar.

[MarkWorld]

Well, I decided to give the place a spin and here's my review:

Went on a Monday and came in to find a couple of hot girls floating around. Most others were on slightly higher than a Sin City level of looks. I did get that same disinterested feel from a lot of them that seems to be pretty standard nowadays in the more "ghetto" strip clubs (not the way it was 10 years ago).

Anyhow, after a few lapdances from a couple of different girls I saw a particularly hot chick, Lola, dancing. Waited for her to get down and chatted a bit. I told her I was looking to do a CR and she was pretty upfront about the cost and what I'd get but in a very friendly way. We headed back to the room and I a got a bbbjtcim. She was very friendly, very beautiful face, tight little skinny body and very down to earth/easy to talk to but it was a VERY mechanical bj and she was not into anything else. Would not repeat with her. Damage was:

CR Manager = $40
Room = $200
Girl $300
Total = $540

[Axe]

Nice review.

Thanks Markworld!

[seeker6591]

nice post mark//i guess this does not qualify for the cheap head thread.

thx for toftt.

[EddyBearNY]

Well, I decided to give the place a spin and here's my review:

Went on a Monday and came in to find a couple of hot girls floating around. Most others were on slightly higher than a Sin City level of looks. I did get that same disinterested feel from a lot of them that seems to be pretty standard nowadays in the more "ghetto" strip clubs (not the way it was 10 years ago).

Anyhow, after a few lapdances from a couple of different girls I saw a particularly hot chick, Lola, dancing. Waited for her to get down and chatted a bit. I told her I was looking to do a CR and she was pretty upfront about the cost and what I'd get but in a very friendly way. We headed back to the room and I a got a bbbjtcim. She was very friendly, very beautiful face, tight little skinny body and very down to earth/easy to talk to but it was a VERY mechanical bj and she was not into anything else. Would not repeat with her. Damage was:

CR Manager = $40
Room = $200
Girl $300
Total = $540

Good post

That seems to be the standard price.

Although not the same experience, Bump and Grind is a lot of fun for under $200

[MarkWorld]

Nice review.

Thanks Markworld!

No prob. Happy to contribute. Hopefully others have some ideas of better ladies there since it seems like pretty much anything goes.


nice post mark//i guess this does not qualify for the cheap head thread.

thx for toftt.


Cheap head? No.

Poor Head? Yes : )

Unfortunate she was so lame (being as hot as she was). I'm more used to chicks who are a little nuts/nympho. They are hard to find but good when you do.

Funny thing: at one point she referred to herself as a "strippertute" or "stripsitute" (it was loud, couldn't quite hear). I wonder if she reads these boards?

[MarkWorld]

Good post

That seems to be the standard price.

Although not the same experience, Bump and Grind is a lot of fun for under $200

Interesting. when you say "not the same experience" what do you mean? No BJ or just not your standard lame-ass stripclub environment?

If there's fun to be had, I may have to try it out.

[EddyBearNY]

Interesting. when you say "not the same experience" what do you mean? No BJ or just not your standard lame-ass stripclub environment?

If there's fun to be had, I may have to try it out.

Rivera is a nice place, they serve liquior, you get to see the girls on stage, so you know how they look. The VIP is big, clean, and comfortable. The girl I had pulled out some 420 and we partied, and drank. She did seem a bit cautious about the extra's.

Bump and grind has no liquior, you can bring own, they supply ice, cups, soda, pizza at 11:00. The VIP area are little rooms, seperated by curtains. You can hear people to the left and right. Some girls will only give LD's but they are real good and for a few songs.

Mark, I feel shitty the next day after blowing $600 bucks. At B&G it is under $200. I get HJ's which is fine by me.

[EddyBearNY]

. Hopefully others have some ideas of better ladies there since it seems like pretty much anything goes.

Unfortunate she was so lame (being as hot as she was). I'm more used to chicks who are a little nuts/nympho. They are hard to find but good when you do.


I wonder how many guys can afford the VIP? That is a shit load of money.

[justlooking]

To me, aside from the differences EddyBear correctly listed, the big difference is that mainstream VIPs are time-clocked, not service-clocked. In an underground club like B&G, you come and go, as it were. In a mainstream club, you get to hang out for an hour. Optimally, this leads to better, unrushed service (as well as multiple pops if you want).

Of course, it isn't always optimal.

Lots of guys can afford it. They just mainly don't post on boards like this.

[EddyBearNY]

Lots of guys can afford it. They just mainly don't post on boards like this.


On a regular basis?

Perhaps.

Not lots though.

[justlooking]

Oh you'd be shocked.

I mean, ask Masquerade how many regulars she had at her expensive high-end VHM club.

[justlooking]

There's also this point, made by Stevana in another thread:

It is a matter of spending hobbying money wisely. So maybe some ultra-high mileage at a mainstream place with a total hotty can cost quite a bit. I would rather do that say once a month than spend an equivalent amount getting a bunch of handjobs from a bunch of bad lookers.

[EddyBearNY]

There's also this point, made by Stevana in another thread:

I am sure there a few wealthy men who can frequent these clubs four or five times a week. Also celebs, athletes

If you look at the numbers...

$2,500 a week
$10,000 a month
$120,000 a year

All numbers are Post Tax so we need to add another 30 percent. Then I am sure that some of the guys can spend twice these fiquires.

I see story's on court TV about guys who spend this kind of money, then kill off there wifes.

[EddyBearNY]

There's also this point, made by Stevana in another thread:

JL - There is also the middle of the road, which I enjoy.

[Axe]

There's also this point, made by Stevana in another thread:

"It is a matter of spending hobbying money wisely. So maybe some ultra-high mileage at a mainstream place with a total hotty can cost quite a bit. I would rather do that say once a month than spend an equivalent amount getting a bunch of handjobs from a bunch of bad lookers."

I apologize in advance if what I'm saying is too slanted towards the LE but, IME, it cant always work that way. Dont get me wrong, its a good idea. When you put it that way, it makes sense. But what if you have a choice among several strippers who will do more than a HJ and all of them are pretty good at it?

Here's what I see custs doing:

[1] Becoming a steady cust for a period of, say, 2 -3 months with a stripper they like and spending little or nothing on all the other strippers. While this works, it tends to piss off all the other strippers (but, who cares?), many of whom are also HM. Then, boredom or the need for variety sets in and he moves on to another HM stripper.

[2] Becoming a Man-Ho. He spreads his time and money with several HM strippers at the same time, pissing all of them off (again, who cares?) but never developing a favorite who gets exclusive status like in number [1]. Then boredom or the need for variety sets in and the strippers in his Harem gets changed, usually one at a time but sometimes all at once.

[3] Hybrid of 1 and 2. He has a one or more steadies and rotates HM strippers in and out of his Harem. This pisses off the strippers too (who cares?) but when boredom and the need for variety set in and he changes his rotation, the cadre of strippers who are pissed off at him also changes.

Implementing the idea also gets thwarted by the inconsistent behaviour of strippers, competition among custs for the more 'popular' HM strippers, and the custs tendency to want to move on to the next HM hottie they want to play with. In short, the situation is too fluid for it to last very long.

Did I miss anything?

[EddyBearNY]

"It is a matter of spending hobbying money wisely. So maybe some ultra-high mileage at a mainstream place with a total hotty can cost quite a bit. I would rather do that say once a month than spend an equivalent amount getting a bunch of handjobs from a bunch of bad lookers."

I apologize in advance if what I'm saying is too slanted towards the LE but, IME, it cant always work that way. Dont get me wrong, its a good idea. When you put it that way, it makes sense. But what if you have a choice among several strippers who will do more than a HJ and all of them are pretty good at it?

Here's what I see custs doing:

[1] Becoming a steady cust for a period of, say, 2 -3 months with a stripper they like and spending little or nothing on all the other strippers. While this works, it tends to piss off all the other strippers (but, who cares?), many of whom are also HM. Then, boredom or the need for variety sets in and he moves on to another HM stripper.

[2] Becoming a Man-Ho. He spreads his time and money with several HM strippers at the same time, pissing all of them off (again, who cares?) but never developing a favorite who gets exclusive status like in number [1]. Then boredom or the need for variety sets in and the strippers in his Harem gets changed, usually one at a time but sometimes all at once.

[3] Hybrid of 1 and 2. He has a one or more steadies and rotates HM strippers in and out of his Harem. This pisses off the strippers too (who cares?) but when boredom and the need for variety set in and he changes his rotation, the cadre of strippers who are pissed off at him also changes.

Implementing the idea also gets thwarted by the inconsistent behaviour of strippers, competition among custs for the more 'popular' HM strippers, and the custs tendency to want to move on to the next HM hottie they want to play with. In short, the situation is too fluid for it to last very long.

Did I miss anything?

Yes, the black swan who comes swims by and changes the rules.

[MarkWorld]

Rivera is a nice place, they serve liquior, you get to see the girls on stage, so you know how they look. The VIP is big, clean, and comfortable. The girl I had pulled out some 420 and we partied, and drank. She did seem a bit cautious about the extra's.

Bump and grind has no liquior, you can bring own, they supply ice, cups, soda, pizza at 11:00. The VIP area are little rooms, seperated by curtains. You can hear people to the left and right. Some girls will only give LD's but they are real good and for a few songs.

Mark, I feel shitty the next day after blowing $600 bucks. At B&G it is under $200. I get HJ's which is fine by me.

Thanks man. I can understand that. To me, if I decide to drop a little money like this, part of it is knowing that it could all end very, very poorly because if you don't know the girl she may just be a liar; she my just stink (like Lola) or you could even be in for some sort of scam (no matter how careful you are). So if I decide to spend the money in my mind it is gone already. It's nice to have an expectation of good service (like I do in any other business transaction) but because of the nature of the people you are transacting with it's almost impossible to expect that. I'd say 90% of the time it works out well for me : )

As far as B&G: if I'm getting a great lapdance from a REALLY gorgeous girl and then she jerks me off too - I'm happy. I'd prefer a BBBJ but who wouldn't?

Any BBBJ's with very top shelf girls at B&G?

[MarkWorld]

Implementing the idea also gets thwarted by the inconsistent behaviour of strippers, competition among custs for the more 'popular' HM strippers, and the custs tendency to want to move on to the next HM hottie they want to play with. In short, the situation is too fluid for it to last very long.

Did I miss anything?

I also find that 99% of dancers have zero understanding of the lifetime value of a customer and are happy enough to spew out lie after lie just to get a guy to visit them twice. This slash and burn MO I think is a result of the poor business heads and half-assed mentality most strippers bring to work (as I thoroughly discussed on the Inconsistencies thread)

[Axe]

Yes, the black swan who comes swims by and changes the rules.

It took you one sentence to say what I tried to say in 5+ paragraphs. Thats what I'm talking about, Eddy. Everyone thinks they now what they want until a new piece of ass comes along and everyone scrambles to get her!

[Axe]

I also find that 99% of dancers have zero understanding of the lifetime value of a customer and are happy enough to spew out lie after lie just to get a guy to visit them twice. This slash and burn MO I think is a result of the poor business heads and half-assed mentality most strippers bring to work (as I thoroughly discussed on the Inconsistencies thread)

True. Thats one of the reasons why I kept repeating "who cares?" every time I mentioned that a cust action will piss off some or all of the other HM strippers.

[justlooking]

"It is a matter of spending hobbying money wisely. So maybe some ultra-high mileage at a mainstream place with a total hotty can cost quite a bit. I would rather do that say once a month than spend an equivalent amount getting a bunch of handjobs from a bunch of bad lookers."

I apologize in advance if what I'm saying is too slanted towards the LE but, IME, it cant always work that way. Dont get me wrong, its a good idea. When you put it that way, it makes sense. But what if you have a choice among several strippers who will do more than a HJ and all of them are pretty good at it?

Here's what I see custs doing:

[1] Becoming a steady cust for a period of, say, 2 -3 months with a stripper they like and spending little or nothing on all the other strippers. While this works, it tends to piss off all the other strippers (but, who cares?), many of whom are also HM. Then, boredom or the need for variety sets in and he moves on to another HM stripper.

[2] Becoming a Man-Ho. He spreads his time and money with several HM strippers at the same time, pissing all of them off (again, who cares?) but never developing a favorite who gets exclusive status like in number [1]. Then boredom or the need for variety sets in and the strippers in his Harem gets changed, usually one at a time but sometimes all at once.

[3] Hybrid of 1 and 2. He has a one or more steadies and rotates HM strippers in and out of his Harem. This pisses off the strippers too (who cares?) but when boredom and the need for variety set in and he changes his rotation, the cadre of strippers who are pissed off at him also changes.

Implementing the idea also gets thwarted by the inconsistent behaviour of strippers, competition among custs for the more 'popular' HM strippers, and the custs tendency to want to move on to the next HM hottie they want to play with. In short, the situation is too fluid for it to last very long.

Did I miss anything?

I think the answer is that the VHM girls at these clubs tend to be a clique, and they're not bothered by sharing customers because they know he's going to say within their cadre (since he has nowhere else to go but to them).

Indeed, the VHM girls at these clubs tend to be so busy that each of them may be somewhat relieved that there's a friend who can take care of a regular who comes in while she's otherwise engaged. (Again, since VHM is club-regulated, it's not like some strange girl can steal the customer: he'll only go to members of the VHM "club".)

[justlooking]

I am sure there a few wealthy men who can frequent these clubs four or five times a week. Also celebs, athletes

If you look at the numbers...

$2,500 a week
$10,000 a month
$120,000 a year

All numbers are Post Tax so we need to add another 30 percent. Then I am sure that some of the guys can spend twice these fiquires.

I see story's on court TV about guys who spend this kind of money, then kill off there wifes.

You're not talking about regulars. You're talking about hard-core addicts. Why would anyone go frequent a club four or five nights a week?

There's a lot else to do in the world (or in this City).

(Anyway, in at least the borough of Manhattan, $1,000,000 a year is sort of just upper-middle-class.)

[Axe]

I think the answer is that the VHM girls at these clubs tend to be a clique, and they're not bothered by sharing customers because they know he's going to say within their cadre (since he has nowhere else to go but to them).

Indeed, the VHM girls at these clubs tend to be so busy that each of them may be somewhat relieved that there's a friend who can take care of a regular who comes in while she's otherwise engaged. (Again, since VHM is club-regulated, it's not like some strange girl can steal the customer: he'll only go to members of the VHM "club".)

Sure, those are some of the advantages of the HE and I realize you know it doesnt work that way once one is outside the HE. Its a little more chaotic.

[justlooking]

Sure. But this sub-discussion started with the assertion that no one could pay HE prices regularly.

Of course people can.

Lots of them.

[Axe]

Sure. But this sub-discussion started with the assertion that no one could pay HE prices regularly.

Of course people can.

Lots of them.



Even I could probably do it if I held it down to once a month.

[justlooking]

Which was really Stevana's entire point.

[justlooking]

You're not talking about regulars. You're talking about hard-core addicts. Why would anyone go frequent a club four or five nights a week?

There's a lot else to do in the world (or in this City).

(Anyway, in at least the borough of Manhattan, $1,000,000 a year is sort of just upper-middle-class.)

OK, that's unnecessarily insulting. People can do whatever they want -- including spending four nights a week in strip clubs.

Let me put it this way instead. Being a "regular" doesn't mean going to a club four nights a week. That's something way beyond being a mere "regular".

[EddyBearNY]

You're not talking about regulars. You're talking about hard-core addicts. Why would anyone go frequent a club four or five nights a week?

There's a lot else to do in the world (or in this City).

(Anyway, in at least the borough of Manhattan, $1,000,000 a year is sort of just upper-middle-class.)

A a million year is properly slightly higher on the food chain.

[EddyBearNY]

OK, that's unnecessarily insulting. People can do whatever they want -- including spending four nights a week in strip clubs.

Let me put it this way instead. Being a "regular" doesn't mean going to a club four nights a week. That's something way beyond being a mere "regular".


What's a regular?

Maybe twice a week.

When I was younger and much broker, I could go seven nights a week.

Now that I could afford the clubs seven nights a week, I go a few times a month.

[EddyBearNY]

I also find that 99% of dancers have zero understanding of the lifetime value of a customer and are happy enough to spew out lie after lie just to get a guy to visit them twice. This slash and burn MO I think is a result of the poor business heads and half-assed mentality most strippers bring to work (as I thoroughly discussed on the Inconsistencies thread)


The have no business heads in every way.

I have known strippers who made 3 grand on a weekend, cry to me on a Tuesday because she had no money to have her hair done.

[chase4u]

Well now , to get back on the subject at hand , the club itself, i had Lola also and yes she is super hot but if she does not really like you , you going to get subpar service for her price, price , i had 5 times and she is just ok. There are girls who are better than her and i have had over 15 of them in the last year and a half , the club is boring now . I have been going to Honeys now and its ok , I had a couple here for takeout because there is no CR here. Anyone else go here and if so have they had Secret , the hot latin girl ?

[EddyBearNY]

I have been going to Honeys now and its ok , I had a couple here for takeout because there is no CR here.

How much?

[MarkWorld]

Well now , to get back on the subject at hand , the club itself, i had Lola also and yes she is super hot but if she does not really like you , you going to get subpar service for her price, price , i had 5 times and she is just ok. There are girls who are better than her and i have had over 15 of them in the last year and a half , the club is boring now . I have been going to Honeys now and its ok , I had a couple here for takeout because there is no CR here. Anyone else go here and if so have they had Secret , the hot latin girl ?

Well, who is better and just as good looking? Any names and descriptions of current girls?

[justlooking]

What's a regular?

Maybe twice a week.

When I was younger and much broker, I could go seven nights a week.

Now that I could afford the clubs seven nights a week, I go a few times a month.

I'd be very surprised to learn that strippers define "regulars" as meaning as much as twice a week.

[Axe]

I'd be very surprised to learn that strippers define "regulars" as meaning as much as twice a week.

I think they see them as anyone who comes in just to see them; the frequency almost doesnt matter.

[justlooking]

Agreed.

(Which means, among other things, that Eddy and I are talking about different things, so I should stop disagreeing with him.)

(But OTOH, I have "VIP" cards giving me special status -- free admission, access to sex, etc. -- at clubs I don't go to more than once or twice a month.)

[Axe]

(But OTOH, I have "VIP" cards giving me special status -- free admission, access to sex, etc. -- at clubs I don't go to more than once or twice a month.)

The special treatment doesnt attract you to these places because you already have things going well enough that you dont need to increase your frequency? I know I was settling into a pattern and was getting bored, so I went to South Philly this weekend and visited Cheerleaders. You would love it, JL. No barbie-doll types and its LOADED with dabblers!

[justlooking]

Cheerleaders has ALWAYS sounded great to me.

[justlooking]

The special treatment doesnt attract you to these places because you already have things going well enough that you dont need to increase your frequency?

No, my point is, I don't have the time or inclination to do it more frequently. There's just too much else going on. (Including work, BTW -- which, contrary to popular legend, is something that people with a lot of money tend to have to do a lot of.)

[Axe]

(Including work, BTW -- which, contrary to popular legend, is something that people with a lot of money tend to have to do a lot of.)

Its funny you mentioned this. At one place where I'm a reg, I told a stripper I had to leave because I had to get to work early the next day. Dead serious, she asked: "You work?" It was bizzare.

LMAO! Where do they think the money comes from??

[Axe]

(Including work, BTW -- which, contrary to popular legend, is something that people with a lot of money tend to have to do a lot of.)

Its funny you mentioned this. At one place where I'm a reg, I told a stripper I had to leave because I had to get to work early the next day. Dead serious, she asked: "You work?" It was bizzare.

LMAO! Where do they think the money comes from??

[chase4u]

The cost was 300 for the top girl there , and its pretty to figure who that is and 200 to 250 for the rest of them.

[EddyBearNY]

. (Including work, BTW -- which, contrary to popular legend, is something that people with a lot of money tend to have to do a lot of.)


Depends on who you are

[EddyBearNY]

LMAO! Where do they think the money comes from??

VIP room of course

[EddyBearNY]

The cost was 300 for the top girl there , and its pretty to figure who that is and 200 to 250 for the rest of them.


Chase, Great Info

Honeys been there for as long as I can remember. I know it was topless a go go bar, then back to topless. Then they put an upstairs area.

With that said, is takeout common protocol now?

[chase4u]

It is common because, the place is dead most of the time and just doing lapdances will only get them so much money, i mean the hustlers will do great , but be real if they were , they would be working somewhere else .

[EddyBearNY]

It is common because, the place is dead most of the time and just doing lapdances will only get them so much money, i mean the hustlers will do great , but be real if they were , they would be working somewhere else .

How do you go about meeting them?

where do you take them?

[light]

My nephew turn 21 the other day. He requested, I take him to a strip club. Not a strip club guy. A friend suggested, I try the Rivera. Get to the club, I tried to sit in the back, where they have, a little more privacy. Had no clue, were I was sitting at. The waitress, told me, this is the Baller Section. Meaning what. Meaning, a bottle of liquor, starts at $225 dollars a pop. I told the waitress, you stand correct. I'm not a Baller. LOL.

She ask me to stay, until the Big boys show up. As I order a few drinks. Carmen, comes by. Nice looking women, long jet black hair, with a great body. Told my nephew, go in the back and get a lap dance. As he was receiving his lap dance. Carmela comes over, she is a short latin women, with b-cup fake boobs and a ass too die for. She puts on a nice, rubba dove show for me. I'm feeling her ass, tits, thighs. Anything I could get my hands on.

After the dance. I buy her a drink. She leaves to find more guy's to hustle. As I look up. The BIG Ballers start to roll in. My waitress, comes over, tells me. It's time, they're here. LOL. We leave, and venture over to the bar. I give my nephew, $20 dollars in singles. I had no clue, that every time a women gets off the dance floor and starts circling the bar. I must give a tip. Some women got upset with me, when I refuse. One even threw a ball up napkin at me. LOL.

Told my nephew, time to go.

End result. He had a good time. Me, I'll stick to my massages and F/S places. LOL. Some good looking women were present. Some should have stayed home. No body structure or face to work with. It could have been a expensive night. I had to gain control of my spending practices. Door fee: $10 dollars. Coat check: $3 dollars. Beer: $8 dollars. Liquor: $12 dollars. Lap Dance $30 dollars

[ackerman93]

I went here for a minute tonite, it was early and they only had skinny spanish girls with no tits or asses to begin with they were sexy yes but I like my latinas big n bangin'. There was a waitress there with big tits who was way hotter than the first two girls, sadly she got a shawl and draped herself when she caught me checking her rack... wtf? Brianna was the winner, she had boltons but damn she was hot. I didnt stay long as sitting through bored strippers make humpy motions gets a bit monotonous and the lap dances were 30 bucks... I remember $10 ld's from my pre rudy time square days is that the going rate now? Anyways I think i'll stick with AMPs...