CL girls and reviews

[Slinky Bender]

How many photos does a CL girl have to send out before she gives up her "reasonable expectation of privacy"?

(note that this somehwhat of a compound question: this issue is not whter girls who send out photos should have their photos posted; the question is about discussing/reviewing girls who have sent out their photos, and at what point do they become "ripe" for discussion).

[OrangeAid]

I'm surprised by the voting so far. Here's a true story:

A woman responds to my ES ad saying (paraphrasing here) that she's been scanning the ads looking for the right situation, hasn't found a good fit yet, but is interested in my offer. No picture is attached to this ad.

I send a return message answering some of her questions and (I think) asking for a photo (I can't remember if I asked for it or she offered it up - not sure it matters either way). Her next message comes with a full face pic (no blurring, cropping, sunglasses, or any other attempted disguise).

We meet, and over the course of the evening even a die-hard skeptic like me ends up concluding that this was almost certainly her first commercial sex transaction. Over time I learn that she has a white collar day job that probably generates a solid six-figure income.

Did she give up any reasonable expectation of privacy when she sent me that photo?

[justme]

Originally posted by slinkybender
How many photos does a CL girl have to send out before she gives up her "reasonable expectation of privacy"?

I think the number is far less important than the manner.

[xxx_xoxo]

Originally posted by slinkybender
How many photos does a CL girl have to send out before she gives up her "reasonable expectation of privacy"? the very nature of this poll suggests two things:

1) that a "CL girl" is a certain thing

- & -

2) that mongers have some sort ownership of these girls by virtue of the fact that they are hooking.

in the case of lemon's lady, the very act of sending the unblurred face shot says loudly that the exchange is an intimate one intended just for the recipient. as lemon knows, to forward that ladies photo and information would be a violation. what she did is none of your business or my business. period.

~ xxx.

[justme]

I find this to be exactly like the address isue that we debated on JAG years ago.

[Slinky Bender]

Originally posted by xxx_xoxo
the very nature of this poll suggests two things:

1) that a "CL girl" is a certain thing

- & -

2) that mongers have some sort ownership of these girls by virtue of the fact that they are hooking.

You couldn't be more wrong on both counts if you tired (fortunately for you, you seem to have an innate ability, and don't even need to try).

You come up with these two stements out of thin air. It doesn't matter that a CL girl is, or is not, "a certain thing" as to when or whether they give up a reasonable expectation to a right of privacy for commiting certain acts. If that were true, we'd have to make different laws for different people. Fortunately... we don't.

Secondly, there is no "ownership" issue in the least, and certainly not having anything to do with whether they are hooking or not. Unfortunately, there is a "logic issue", which appears to be why you are having problem with it:

If someone sends out, of their own free will, their own image along with an offer of some sort of service, at what point do they lose the right to maintain that the service is "private", and shouldn't be reviewed... or actually even spoken about in any way.

PS WTF are you doing here during the day? Go back to being a vampire.

[Slinky Bender]

Originally posted by justme
I find this to be exactly like the address isue that we debated on JAG years ago.

And I think that not only was that discussion worth having, but I'm highly confident that my answer was the correct one :p.

[Thorn]

I think that this is one of those times where the hard logic of the situation flies in the face of the humanit****n aspect of the same.

It is certainly logical to state that a person who uses a public medium to provide details of the aspects of their business, particularly when presented with other information [like a picture] that would easily indentify them to others, is making themselves fair game for open discussion and review of those services.

On the other hand is the fact that the intent of the individual can be, as in the case Lemon cites, easily discerned as far different.

Its an ethical conundrum.

There is a very simple test for such things. You simply ask yourself how you would wish to be treated in similar circumstances should the situation be reversed, then you do that.

[Slinky Bender]

Originally posted by Thorn
There is a very simple test for such things. You simply ask yourself how you would wish to be treated in similar circumstances should the situation be reversed, then you do that.

I've often told my friends that the day I start acting like a total brain dead moron, they could do me a favor by taking me out and shooting me. So what should I do to these CL girls?

PS how would you like to get treated by LE if you were coaght breaking the law? Does that mean you believe that's the way everyone who breaks the law should get treated by LE? I highly doubt it.

[Slinky Bender]

Originally posted by Thorn
Its an ethical conundrum.

Most guys on PMBs don't like to use conumdrums.

[xxx_xoxo]

dear slinky,

as a service provider in this community, how much of a reasonable expectation of privacy do you have?

~ xxx

[robnotbob]

BBE (bare Back Ethics)

[Slinky Bender]

Originally posted by xxx_xoxo
dear slinky,

as a service provider in this community, how much of a reasonable expectation of privacy do you have?

~ xxx

As much, or as little, as I've got a reasonable expectation to be.

Have I sent my photo out to anyone in order to solicit business?
("I'm slinkybender, advertise on my PMB because I look the best; here's my photo to prove it)
If I have, then I can't complain as much if that person shares it.

Here's a good example of why you are wrong in how you are thinking about this: let's say some girl doesn't send out photos AT ALL. She sees some guy in his appartment, and unbeknownst to her, he has a hidden camera, and takes her pic. He then publishes that photo. I suppose you think there's no difference?

But this is really all a smoke screen anyway...... because the issue isn't posting photographs. We're talking about reviews. And my guess is that there aren't too many people who get talked about (and in the most negative way possible) than ME, on many sites. And we're also not talking about "real people" in the sense that "who" is getting reviewed is some "hooker name" *. In that same way, some girl using a "hooker name", sending out her photo, offering prostitution, etc. and then gets all offended when guys talk about her is being unrealistic and unreasonable. (it's funny that you are trying to focus on the photo aspect of it, even though this was clearly spawned from the review discussion in another thread. But I guess if you didn't, your agrument would be too easily shown up for the toatl BS that it is).

It's also funny, because you want to be bringing up these issues, but you certainly haven't had any problem in joining in on similar types of discussion when it was talking about me. So who's the fucking hypocrite? I'll also note you've been totally silent in criticising people who have engaged in "outing" type behaviour, but try to act as if you are some protector of poeple's rights to privacy, blah, blah, blah. you are just plain full of shit. Or perhaps you care to tell the story of a certain poster making an attempt to out someone, you saw it, and then were stangely silent about castigating him in another forum you two shared? (go ahead, prove me wrong.... or shut the fuck up**).

* and that's why no one is screaming when "slinkybender" get's all sorts of false stuff posted about "him". Although even that's funny because you, and some of your friends, seem to have more problems with true statements being made about service providers than with lies being posted about me. You seem to think that is all just good fun.

** and if that sounds like a warning... it's because it is.

[jseah]

Originally posted by slinkybender
* and that's why no one is screaming when "slinkybender" get's all sorts of false stuff posted about "him". Although even that's funny because you, and some of your friends, seem to have more problems with true statements being made about service providers than with lies being posted about me. You seem to think that is all just good fun.


The part I find laughable is how whenever someone posts on the CL forums, the poster is accused of being you....................

if it is true.....where the hell do you find the time to get your dick sucked????

[xxx_xoxo]

Originally posted by slinkybender
I'll also note you've been totally silent in criticising people who have engaged in "outing" type behaviour, but try to act as if you are some protector of poeple's rights to privacy, blah, blah, blah. you are just plain full of shit. Or perhaps you care to tell the story of a certain poster making an attempt to out someone, you saw it, and then were stangely silent about castigating him in another forum you two shared?i remember well the incident you are talking about. in my mind it was VERY serious, and i handled it privately off of the board. i believe there are things that definitely should not be handled in a public forum.

slinky, i believe that a pmb is a place to share information and build community and goof off. and, as you stated "we're also not talking about 'real people' in the sense that "who" is getting reviewed is some 'hooker name'". (i don't take any of this personally ~ and i know when i am wrong or fall short.)

personal business with REAL-real people has no place on a pmb. when that individual went sideways on the other board, i just took it right off of the board. public discussion of these things would just have drawn more attention to it. i believe that was the correct way for ME to handle it, but i also see your point about making a denouncement on the board.

i would hope it is obvious to anyone reading this board that i am just playing with you... and you do make it so fun! i am not malicious and i am not harming anyone. i do fully expect to be banned from this board, and i want to make sure that i earn that privilege ;-)

~ xxx.

[Slinky Bender]

Originally posted by xxx_xoxo
slinky, i believe that a pmb is a place to share information

You wouldn't know it from what appears to be statements advocating not sharing information. I guess it depends on who's ox is being gored.

Originally posted by xxx_xoxo
i do fully expect to be banned from this board

Would you prefer sooner or later?

[TheRedDragon]

Originally posted by jseah
The part I find laughable is how whenever someone posts on the CL forums, the poster is accused of being you....................

if it is true.....where the hell do you find the time to get your dick sucked????

Wow. Talk about fluffing. Looks like Slinky's getting his dick sucked right here.

[jseah]

Originally posted by TheRedDragon
Wow. Talk about fluffing. Looks like Slinky's getting his dick sucked right here.

Now why would I want to fluff slinky? He doesn't even have the common courtesy to give me a reach around.......

[TheRedDragon]

Originally posted by jseah
He doesn't even have the common courtesy to give me a reach around.......

I always thought he was that type of homo.

Meanwhile, why are we still debating this stupid issue? If someone -- ANYONE -- sends you a picture of themselves in confidence, you should NOT show it to anyone else without that person's permission.

Can't one of the goddamned lawyers on this board clear up the legal issue here, as well? A personally addressed communication, such as an ***** or letter, is intended for the recipient only ....

Christ Almighty.

[jseah]

Originally posted by TheRedDragon
Can't one of the goddamned lawyers on this board clear up the legal issue here, as well? A personally addressed communication, such as an ***** or letter, is intended for the recipient only ....

Christ Almighty.

Maybe they need to put a disclaimer at the end of their *****s.....like the website disclaimers that the fee is for companionship only and anything else that happens is between consenting adults.....

[xxx_xoxo]

ooooops ~ am i fluffing?

xoxo ~ xxx

[jseah]

Originally posted by TheRedDragon
Wow. Talk about fluffing. Looks like Slinky's getting his dick sucked right here.

I wrote that????? Damn......must have been channeling hvb again.....

OUT! OUT! evil spirit! :D

[Slinky Bender]

Originally posted by TheRedDragon
Meanwhile, why are we still debating this stupid issue? If someone -- ANYONE -- sends you a picture of themselves in confidence, you should NOT show it to anyone else without that person's permission.

Is it the reading, or the reading comprehension part you failed?

(oh, wait.... it's the agenda part....)

[Slinky Bender]

Originally posted by jseah
Maybe they need to put a disclaimer at the end of their *****s.....like the website disclaimers that the fee is for companionship only and anything else that happens is between consenting adults.....

Sure, why not? It would be just as meaningful. Just like when the parking ticket, coat check ticket, etc. says "Not respsonible, etc."... that holds up too.................... NOT.

You often see idiots posting asking about "what if the provider sells you something, and the sex "just happens".. would it be legal then? But I understand why these people thing this way: they always opperate under the assumption that everyone else is as stupid as they are. So, when the case goes to the jury, they think the jury would all think "Yeah that makes sense; this 23 year old with 3 priors for prosititution decided to sell $3 spoons for $250, and she met this guy who bought one, and she found the 5'7", 250lbs, smelly fat fuck so attractive that she just decided to fuck him because she was so attracted to him sexually". Sure.... it happens all the time.

[jseah]

it was candles.....or pencils.....not spoons........:D

[jseah]

Originally posted by slinkybender
Sure, why not? It would be just as meaningful. Just like when the parking ticket, coat check ticket, etc. says "Not respsonible, etc."... that holds up too.................... NOT.


So I forgot the SFSF.........so sue me.......

I WAS JOKING

[Slinky Bender]

OK, some guys are going to get pissed but this just has to be said:

If any girls: CL girls, non-CL girls, etc. think that guys are not going to be passing around their photos that they have gotten,

THEN THEY ARE OUT OF THEIR FUCKING MINDS.

I don't know whether it bothers me more that the girls are so stupid as to believe it isn't happening, or the guys comming here pretending that they don't do it because "it's wrong" while they are in the middle of doing it. There are two types of guys in this thread: the ones who admit to having passed around girl's photos, and the liars.

If someone/anyone want to have discussions about whether websites should facilitate this or not, that's a different issue and THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS THREAD IS ABOUT, so if you even want to discuss that issue, start another thread (yes, that's another warning).

[Slinky Bender]

Originally posted by jseah
So I forgot the SFSF.........so sue me.......

I WAS JOKING

I know you were.......... I was amplifying, not contradicting.

PS Never say "so sue me" to me. I have a stack of Blue Backs pre-printed with "Slinybender vs Your-name-here".

[TheRedDragon]

Slink,

You're right, buddy. CL hookers, ALL hookers ... should be careful. A lot of a-holes out there. Big time. Type of guys who would take advantage. Pass a girl's picture around. Tell his pals all about her. Even share the info with strangers.

Real a-holes. And any guy who doesn't cop to not doing it is just a liar.

One question, though: which are you?

RD

[Slinky Bender]

Both.

[TheRedDragon]

xxx_xoxo, you can fluff me anytime.

Jseah, hold out for that reach-around.

[Escort_King]

Originally posted by slinkybender
Sure, why not? It would be just as meaningful. Just like when the parking ticket, coat check ticket, etc. says "Not respsonible, etc."... that holds up too.................... NOT.

You often see idiots posting asking about "what if the provider sells you something, and the sex "just happens".. would it be legal then? But I understand why these people thing this way: they always opperate under the assumption that everyone else is as stupid as they are. So, when the case goes to the jury, they think the jury would all think "Yeah that makes sense; this 23 year old with 3 priors for prosititution decided to sell $3 spoons for $250, and she met this guy who bought one, and she found the 5'7", 250lbs, smelly fat fuck so attractive that she just decided to fuck him because she was so attracted to him sexually". Sure.... it happens all the time.

I still have the spoons... needed a dozen for a set....

[Thorn]

Originally posted by slinkybender
PS how would you like to get treated by LE if you were coaght breaking the law? Does that mean you believe that's the way everyone who breaks the law should get treated by LE? I highly doubt it.

Were that ever to happen what I would expect is to be treated like anyone else. What I would work from that point outward is entirely another matter.

Not only does that expectation give me a firm grasp on potential threat levels, it provides for the greatest possiblity for working around them.

One of the benefits of never taking things for granted is never tricking yourself into the notion that you are on firmer ground then you actually are.

[Thorn]

Originally posted by TheRedDragon
Can't one of the goddamned lawyers on this board clear up the legal issue here, as well? A personally addressed communication, such as an ***** or letter, is intended for the recipient only ....

Christ Almighty.

You have limited understanding of the internet and how it works, and the applicable laws given that nature of how it works.

****** is not a person to person form of communication, like the telephone or the U.S. mail. Each and every server that ****** passes through can, and frequently does, maintain a copy of same for at least some period of time. There are logs showing its comings and goings. Any of which are easily seen by a host of individuals who do all manner of administrative tasks, and sometimes just anyone who chooses to log in and take a look.

This is, specifically, why ****** encryption is such a hot topic. Its the only way to assure any level of privacy in ******.

Because ****** works the way it does civil courts do not place the same level of privacy on ****** that they attach to other forms of communication. Criminal courts still maintain that a warrant is required in most situations, except that where a claim of terrorist activity is made and then the Patriot Act [which seriously needs to go away] kicks in.

[xxx_xoxo]

the application of law in the outlaw territory of whoreboarding seems a little dubious. might take the fun out of the whole thing ;-)

[Thorn]

Originally posted by xxx_xoxo
the application of law in the outlaw territory of whoreboarding seems a little dubious. might take the fun out of the whole thing ;-)

Ah, but just like the Wild West, eventually this territory will be tamed and placed under the rule of law. It is inevitable, though not desirable.

[xxx_xoxo]

e-bay?

[OrangeAid]

Originally posted by slinkybender

this issue is not whter girls who send out photos should have their photos posted; the question is about discussing/reviewing girls who have sent out their photos, and at what point do they become "ripe" for discussion). [/B]

If that's the case, perhaps the question should focus on the number of ads responded to rather than photos.

A few weeks ago I received a series of hasty, generic, "cut-and-paste" responses from a woman who seemed to operating in a high-volume mode. Of all the women who have responded to my ads, this one clearly had the least "reasonable expectation of privacy".

But she never sent out a photo - not even when I wrote back and asked her for one.

[justme]

I agree that what's important is the manner in which she conducts her business.

I think someone even said that somewhere up above.

[Slinky Bender]

yeah, but no one important.

[justme]

Originally posted by slinkybender
yeah, but no one important.

No one is.

[xxx_xoxo]

i beg your pardon?

[Slinky Bender]

He's not Gerald Ford.

Ps how do you like the poll results so far?

[xxx_xoxo]

why don't we discuss it over a drink?

[Escort_King]

Originally posted by xxx_xoxo
why don't we discuss it over a drink?
Sold.... where and when...

[xxx_xoxo]

i am just curious what inspires people to post reviews... obviously there are thousands of lurkers who never post a review, and also ug regulars who do not post reviews. i assume that 80% of these gentlemen are actually seeing hookers (at least occasionally) so i am wondering what makes the difference ... to review or not to review?

~ xxx.

(ps. slinky, we can discuss this over a drink also... as for escort king...well, you know where to find me!)

[Slinky Bender]

http://www.utopiaguide.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=307689&highlight=reviews#post307689

but then

http://www.utopiaguide.com/forums/search.php?s=&action=showresults&searchid=766565&sortby=lastpost&sortorder=ascending

[Thorn]

Originally posted by xxx_xoxo
i am just curious what inspires people to post reviews...


There are several reasons why guys don't post reviews, but why they do comes down to only three.


1) A genuinely altruistic [sic] desire to share consumer related information with others who consume in the same area. [Few]

2) You have to give to get. Guys post reviews hoping others will do the same. [Most]

3) To brag on, or relive to some degree, a previous experience. [Look what I did!] [Too many but not a majority]

[Slinky Bender]

Oh, come on....you left out a HUGE one.

[xxx_xoxo]

yep. slinkymuffin is correct on that one.

[Casper]

To garnish favors ?

[Lep-is-Gay]

<b>ZEROOOOOOOOOOO........ Dont believe nothing from a CL girl. They are scamsssssssssss. (90%)

[Thorn]

Originally posted by slinkybender
Oh, come on....you left out a HUGE one.

Ok, I mean anyone who isn't a humongous shill.

[Thorn]

P.S. I can't be blamed for forgetting that.

I've yelled at the #3's of our world, so they register... I've been #1 and #2. Having never been a humongous shill and understanding they can't be diverted from their game plan, I simply ignore them. I have done it for so long now I forgot about their existence.

T'anks for reminding me.

[Escort_King]

Originally posted by xxx_xoxo
i am just curious what inspires people to post reviews... obviously there are thousands of lurkers who never post a review, and also ug regulars who do not post reviews. i assume that 80% of these gentlemen are actually seeing hookers (at least occasionally) so i am wondering what makes the difference ... to review or not to review?

~ xxx.

(ps. slinky, we can discuss this over a drink also... as for escort king...well, you know where to find me!)

if only you had more free time!

[xxx_xoxo]

free time? that damn slinky keeps me so busy...

~ xxx

[Escort_King]

Originally posted by xxx_xoxo
free time? that damn slinky keeps me so busy...

~ xxx

knew there was a reason I didn't like slinky.....

[Dondee]

Originally posted by Escort_King
knew there was a reason I didn't like slinky.....

if you look hard enough, you will find one

[twittle_bee]

I don't really get the point of them. If a guy finds something good, why not horde it for themselves. (Yes, there is really history to that statement). People have written reviews about me that I knew nothing about until I started getting phone calls from people reading them from t e r....otherwise I don't know what the hell they say.
Also people are not always honest. I recieved a disturbing phone call the other day requesting I give them "the speical treatment that was written about". I was like what the hell are they referring to? Ok, some days I am more alert than others but this crap.....
Anyway, he stated that he read in a review that if I liked you enough, for a tad extra I go bb and he wants that and to give me twenty more for me to "rub the right way"...lol.
I said, "I like my life so much that even that extra 20 being so much and excessively generous, I have to pass, I know I will miss out on my candy bar and cigarettes but I am really sorry..." ;D
Hell why would you even want to do that with someone your not full committed to anyway?

[jp1064]

Originally posted by twittle_bee
I don't really get the point of them. If a guy finds something good, why not horde it for themselves. We like bragging about it.

[LRuf]

Originally posted by twittle_bee
I don't really get the point of them. If a guy finds something good, why not horde it for themselves.
In the course of getting to know "something good", one usually finds a monetary need.
A positive review can help her move along and in return one would hope to become a "regular".

[mousenuts]

A newbie here and not afraid to admit it.
Slinky - if this is not the place to post this, let me know!
Found new talent that I would love to keep to myself, but I'm a generous guy...
On CL, I found a new post for an agency in NNJ. Offered a 2 girl special that I could just not pass up.
Easy to arrrange, nice hotel near the stadium. Wow - I got a massage, show, and a cup for $$. Nice!!
Search the past day or so, and you'll find it.
Slink - Did I do good?

[carver420]

I think this is the agency that heather (aka ******) is working out of these days.

[Blender]

Her name's Harmony.

[gg2002]

post:sexy blonde available for incall tonight(gent's only)

decided to satisfy my curiosity and check her out.
Her pics are deceiving. They may be her, probably are based on the tattoo, but they lead to dissapoinment in person.
Face is a 4/5....body a 7....however attitude is an 8/9.
BBBJ was on menu although I think she prefers CBJ.
Overall, she may be a good one at $$ for some but I won't be back.

[MondayQB]

From a legal standpoint, there is really no expectation of "privacy" on a pmb. Therefore all those who answered the poll with "1" are legally correct.

However, from a moral or ethical or personal standpoint, I think the issue certainly debatable and this is one of the more interesting threads.

[fq300]

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