Covered Blow Jobs/Covered Full Service

[justlooking]

A prostitute recently asked me, if I'm so adamant about the worthlessness of covered blow jobs, how come I can come from covered genital intercourse?

I think my answer is that I'd have a hard time coming from just covered full service alone (which is not the case with bareback full service),* which is why I require so much other stuff (including bare back blow jobs) preceding/along with it.

Others' thoughts?
_____________________________________
* I wonder whether in part that's generational, since I came of age sexually before the AIDS epidemic and thus view condoms as a sort of latecoming intrusion.

[Geezy Muldoon]

Between the fall of 1969 and the mid- 1990s, I never got a covered blow job. I had no idea that such things were done. Almost all the non-professional girls and women who blew me in non-commercial real world sex swallowed as well. Seldom did they spit. Their swallowing my come was considered part of the normal experience.

I also never used a condom having intercourse with a girl or women in non-commercial real world sex. It was always, always bareback.

The worst that ever happened to me was getting crabs a couple of times. Once I got some sort of bacterial infection that had to be cured with Flagyl, a disgusting sort of heavy anti-biotic.

Nothing worse.

When AIDs hit, I accepted condoms as a normal part of commercial sex for intercourse but continued receiving condom less blowjobs at such places as Overtures where the girls let you come in their mouth and then spit.

That's what became my standard for the commercial blowjob.

I've never backed off that standard.

I've only settled for less on occasion and then moved on.

[danger-us]

With a cover, the woman's skills (or just plain anatomy) plays a huge role for me.

Without a condom, sure, most everything feels great. but with a condom, I need her to be very aware of herself, her muscles, the way she interacts with me.

If a woman is really into it, I forget about the cover.

[danger-us]

And visa versa. I try my best to stimulate her.

[justme]

The first fifty or so times I had sex, it was covered and I thought it was about the best thing imagineable.

Then, the next two thousand or so times I had sex it was almost always bareback. During this time, if I did have covered sex, it was an anoyance, but I did enjoy the fact that it basically allowed me to orgasm whenever I wanted to.

The last two hundred or so times I've had sex it has been almost always covered. Now I view uncovered sex as kind of this rare treat that's really great.

So it's strange, I've never really been in a position where both covered and uncovered sex were readily available.

I have never had a problem achieving orgasm while uncovered (OK, maybe a couple of times, but given the tremendous frequency with which I was having sex at that time, it probably made sense). I have had difficulty getting there with a condom, but I don't think that this generally has anything to do with the woman I'm with (on two or three occasions, I have been to revulsed to go on, but that was pretty extreme). As long as I'm reasonably well rested, reasonably sober, and reasonably aroused, I can get whatver I need done covered.

This is completely different for blowjobs. I can count the number of times I've come from an uncovered blowjob on both hands. I've never come from a covered blowjob. I just don't get much sensation out of blowjobs.

---------------------

Thinking about this more, though I'd still rather have covered noncommercial sex than uncovered commercial sex, so it isn't just a sensation issue.

[BigMadM]

A covered bj is fine.
As long as someone else is getting it.
Id rather skip the session if a condom is used for oral sex.

[Geezy Muldoon]

(A feeling of affection makes all service deficiencies and deficiencies in female beauty disappear.)

(That's the weird mysterious thing about sex.)

(At least for me.)

[CoyoteGirlJosi]

Originally posted by justme
The first fifty or so times I had sex, it was covered and I thought it was about the best thing imagineable.

Then, the next two thousand or so times I had sex it was almost always bareback. During this time, if I did have covered sex, it was an anoyance, but I did enjoy the fact that it basically allowed me to orgasm whenever I wanted to.

The last two hundred or so times I've had sex it has been almost always covered. Now I view uncovered sex as kind of this rare treat that's really great.

So it's strange, I've never really been in a position where both covered and uncovered sex were readily available.

I have never had a problem achieving orgasm while uncovered (OK, maybe a couple of times, but given the tremendous frequency with which I was having sex at that time, it probably made sense). I have had difficulty getting there with a condom, but I don't think that this generally has anything to do with the woman I'm with (on two or three occasions, I have been to revulsed to go on, but that was pretty extreme). As long as I'm reasonably well rested, reasonably sober, and reasonably aroused, I can get whatver I need done covered.

This is completely different for blowjobs. I can count the number of times I've come from an uncovered blowjob on both hands. I've never come from a covered blowjob. I just don't get much sensation out of blowjobs.

---------------------

Thinking about this more, though I'd still rather have covered noncommercial sex than uncovered commercial sex, so it isn't just a sensation issue.
fuck, you must be totally worn out...I am from reading how many times you've fucked....

[BigMadM]

Originally posted by justme
The first fifty or so times I had sex, it was covered and I thought it was about the best thing imagineable.

Then, the next two thousand or so times I had sex it was almost always bareback.

The last two hundred or so times I've had sex it has been almost always covered.


Please post the phone numbers or websites so I can contact some of them.

[Bill Furniture]

Originally posted by BigMadM
A covered bj is fine.
As long as someone else is getting it.


Classic quote!

[trixdaddy]

Originally posted by danger-us
With a cover, the woman's skills (or just plain anatomy) plays a huge role for me.

Without a condom, sure, most everything feels great. but with a condom, I need her to be very aware of herself, her muscles, the way she interacts with me.

If a woman is really into it, I forget about the cover.

Cover is the only way to go with commercial sex, if the provider has great oral skills, you won't even noticed its on. Its always better to be safe cause it gives us another day to enjoy our hobby to its fullest!

[Casper]

Originally posted by CoyoteGirlJosi
fuck, you must be totally worn out...I am from reading how many times you've fucked....

imagine that .. and not including j/o sessions ....

[pswope]

I'm already on record as preferring a hj to a cbj and have had many friendly arguments with working girls who've claimed that their cbjs are sooo good that they will be the exception to the rule. It never is.

From marriage, my cock is conditioned to having condomless intercourse and I don't really enjoy sex with a condom as much as a good bbbj. However, if I am otherwise stimulated during a session via bbbj,kissing, and other modes of foreplay(or if I'm really attracted to a lady), I can and do enjoy fucking. Converesly, if a working girl just gets me hard and wants to pop on a condom to fuck,I simply demur. It's not pleasurable to me. I've left many working girls scratching their heads after I said no to-"Don't ya want to fuck me"-because of the slam bam nature of their approach.

[CoyoteGirlJosi]

Originally posted by trixdaddy
Cover is the only way to go with commercial sex, if the provider has great oral skills, you won't even noticed its on. Its always better to be safe cause it gives us another day to enjoy our hobby to its fullest!
Ill sure notice its on...you ever taste a condom...try suckin on one Babe....

[Bill Furniture]

Originally posted by pswope
I'm already on record as preferring a hj to a cbj and have had many friendly arguments with working girls who've claimed that their cbjs are sooo good that they will be the exception to the rule. It never is.


DITTO. I think it's funny when girls lick all over the condom during a CBJ. I tell them I don't feel it at all and they think I'm just saying that to get a BBBJ.

[Bill Furniture]

Originally posted by CoyoteGirlJosi
Ill sure notice its on...you ever taste a condom...try suckin on one Babe....

CBJs also cut down my desire to kiss the girl. That lube taste is nasty.

[danger-us]

Originally posted by BigMadM

Id rather skip the session if a condom is used for oral sex.

Skip a session? You've never had sex without getting a blowjob?

[danger-us]

Originally posted by CoyoteGirlJosi
Ill sure notice its on...you ever taste a condom...try suckin on one Babe....

I do have to say, I hate the smell of codoms. After putting one one, my fingers smell of latex. It is so unsexy, too much a reminder that there's a barrier between us.

When is somebody going to improve the smell? (and taste for you ladies)

[justme]

Originally posted by BigMadM
Please post the phone numbers or websites so I can contact some of them.

One woman is responsible for at least 80% of the sex I've had. No one else accounts for more than 2%. Commercial sex partners account for no more than 8%. Commercial sex partners with websites account for 0%. Most of the phone numbers are likely changed by now, or the woman never had a business phone number.

It's easy to rack up huge numbers of sexual encounters. Here's the recipe:

1. Be young, with little money and a tremendous amount of free time.
2. Let your sexual activity weigh heavily on your self worth.
3. Find a young partner who is ready to do the same and who likewise has no time but lots of money.
4. Copulate.

(More than four years, an average of (at least) twice a day. Never less than once a day (when we were in the same city), and more like two or three times a day except on weekends when the number jumped to three or four.)

Step 5 is the bitch, though.

5. Be prepared to have it all end in tradgedy when one (or both) of you realize that it's time to grow up. Then aclimate yourself to about 10% of the amount of sex that you're used to.

[alterego]

Originally posted by justme
Be prepared to have it all end in tradgedy when one (or both) of you realize that it's time to grow up. Then aclimate yourself to about 10% of the amount of sex that you're used to.

I'd be happy if I was getting 10% of the amount I had with my first girlfriend.

One of the many things about her I never appreciated at the time.

æ

[alterego]

FWIW, I don't mind condoms for intercourse. But I've never cared much for CBJ's except as a warmup for something else.

æ

[Danielle]

giving a covered blowjob reminds me of sucking on an empty freezy-pop wrapper when I was little. There was always that last little bit of syrupy goodness inside the plastic that try as I might I could never really get at.

As far as the intercourse thing is concerned, I personally have found that using condoms doesn't seem to bother me nearly as much as my partner. I guess cause I can still feel friction with something moving in and out of me while all he can really feel is pressure and heat.

[wsb]

Originally posted by justme
One woman is responsible for at least 80% of the sex I've had. No one else accounts for more than 2%. Commercial sex partners account for no more than 8%. Commercial sex partners with websites account for 0%. Most of the phone numbers are likely changed by now, or the woman never had a business phone number.



No pie chart???

[justme]

Originally posted by wsb
No pie chart???

I hope that extremely bad bun was unintentional.

[Casper]

Originally posted by Danielle
giving a covered blowjob reminds me of sucking on an empty freezy-pop wrapper when I was little.


is it just me or .......

[justlooking]

Originally posted by pswope
From marriage, my cock is conditioned to having condomless intercourse and I don't really enjoy sex with a condom as much as a good bbbj. However, if I am otherwise stimulated during a session via bbbj,kissing, and other modes of foreplay(or if I'm really attracted to a lady), I can and do enjoy fucking. Converesly, if a working girl just gets me hard and wants to pop on a condom to fuck,I simply demur. It's not pleasurable to me. I've left many working girls scratching their heads after I said no to-"Don't ya want to fuck me"-because of the slam bam nature of their approach.

This is so completely what I think that I had to DITTO it.

[sod]

Originally posted by Danielle
giving a covered blowjob reminds me of sucking on an empty freezy-pop wrapper when I was little. There was always that last little bit of syrupy goodness inside the plastic that try as I might I could never really get at.

The internal debate over whether I should be turned on by this has given me a headache.

[Dondee]

Originally posted by sod
The internal debate over whether I should be turned on by this has given me a headache.

The freezy-pop gave you the headache! :o

[jasonbuju]

Originally posted by sod
The internal debate over whether I should be turned on by this has given me a headache.

DITTO.

[Danielle]

Originally posted by sod
The internal debate over whether I should be turned on by this has given me a headache.

Stop torturing yourself and just go with it.

[Danielle]

Originally posted by justlooking
This is so completely what I think that I had to DITTO it.

Some working girls are probably used to this assembly line sort of approach to their work. think ass con.

[justlooking]

Yeah, and I jump through a lot of hoops to try to make sure I don't see them.

[justlooking]

PS -- ASSCon is the bargain basement. I don't think ASSCon represents what anybody would really argue is good.

[justlooking]

PPS -- Or, if I wanted to be less insulting (which I really don't, but what the hell), ASSCon is different. People go there for something different than "good sex". More like "cheap thrills".

[Danielle]

Well, yes. Of course. it's like the drive-thru window of the sex industry.

[PetiteFantasy]

Originally posted by justlooking
PS -- ASSCon is the bargain basement. I don't think ASSCon represents what anybody would really argue is good.

Hey, some of my favorite clothes come from bargain basements, Salvation Army's, Dollar a Pound, etc. There's something incredibly enjoyable about wading through all the shit to find the one good thing in the store.

(Actually, as I'm typing this I'm realizing that this doesn't really contradict what you're saying.)

((Really what I'm saying is that you shouldn't see the above as an insult--and neither should anyone else--except the bit about it being not-good. It's not just about cheap thrills, it's the thrill of finding something really wonderful for cheap. Of course maybe there is nothing wonderful to be had at ASSCon, having never been there, I wouldn't know.))

(((PS: had to try the multiple parenthesis thing since it irritates me when other people use it, figured I should try it out before I knock it. Conclusion: There are far more grammatically correct and eye-pleasing ways of separating out points/explaining thought proccesses. Although, I doubt many people here really give a shit about correct grammar--what can I say, it's one of my few compulsions.)))

[justlooking]

Originally posted by PetiteFantasy
(((PS: had to try the multiple parenthesis thing since it irritates me when other people use it, figured I should try it out before I knock it. Conclusion: There are far more grammatically correct and eye-pleasing ways of separating out points/explaining thought proccesses. Although, I doubt many people here really give a shit about correct grammar--what can I say, it's one of my few compulsions.)))

Melanie is My Hero.

[justme]

(I doubt that the use of parentheses came from grammatical minds)

((But there is a syntax to them))

(((And it's one that I find intuitive)))

((((But I've waded through a lot of parenthesis before))))

[justme]

re grammar: Usage defines Language.

[PetiteFantasy]

Originally posted by justme
(I doubt that the use of parentheses came from grammatical minds)

((But there is a syntax to them))

(((And it's one that I find intuitive)))

((((But I've waded through a lot of parenthesis before))))

But, the way you spaced your post does exactly what the parenthesis do--separate out different thoughts. It's repetitive, which I think is one of the reasons I dislike that style so. Actually, in this case I think your post would've made a whole more sense and had much better flow if you had simply used some commas, even though that could have made a run-on sentence.

[h. von bingen]

Originally posted by PetiteFantasy
Although, I doubt many people here really give a shit about correct grammar--what can I say, it's one of my few compulsions.
you're kidding right?

[PetiteFantasy]

I didn't say no one cared. I think you do.

[h. von bingen]

here's the short list:

ana
sod
jl
justme
wwanderer
judge crater

i would surmise:

sexy whore
occassional hobbyist
rajah
buddyyyyy
caitlin
kate courtesan

and even cloud nine, though he'd probably deny it.

i'm sure i missed a number of other people.

[h. von bingen]

for only one example see

http://utopiaguide.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=236311

[rajah]

Originally posted by h. von bingen
here's the short list:

Short list for what?

[justme]

"It [parentheses] reminds a person of those dentists who secure your instant and breathless interest in a tooth by taking a grip on it with the forceps, and then stand there and drawl through a tedious anecdote before they give the dreaded jerk. Parentheses in literature and dentistry are in bad taste."
-- Mark Twain "That Awful German Language"

Heh.

[justme]

Originally posted by PetiteFantasy
But, the way you spaced your post does exactly what the parenthesis do--separate out different thoughts. It's repetitive, which I think is one of the reasons I dislike that style so. Actually, in this case I think your post would've made a whole more sense and had much better flow if you had simply used some commas, even though that could have made a run-on sentence.

I forced the issue in that post.

I used to use commas, but it got really difficult to keep track of subthoughts so I switched to nested parentheses which were more visually delimiting.

The use of multiple parenthesis that aren't nested is more to delimit asides to asides.

Ultimately the parentheses are just lazy writing. I should be able to sort out all the asides in the flow of the narrative. Alas, I rarely edit my posts, preferring to spew them out. Maybe if I typed as fast as JL evidently does I could spend more time on the posts. If I tried to do that now, however, HvB and JL would post three pages in between.

[paulie_walnuts]

(Note that computer programmers (who aren't known for their verbal skills to begin with (but who cares because it isn't a skill terribly critical to what they do for a living (as if that's all that mattered))) do terrible violence to the proper use of parentheses (because they are under the influence of computer language syntax)).

[h. von bingen]

rajah:

short list re: those who care about grammar. 1st mitzvah and now this. i know you're nearing senility but please keep up.

melanie, justme and anyone else who cares:

i favor the dash (as did my idol emily dickenson) to set off expositional phrases.

[h. von bingen]

Originally posted by justme
HvB and JL would post three pages in between.
good typing skills are essential to au courrant lawyers -- what with the secretarial cutbacks (and the diminished skills of the current secretarial pickings [damn, all the really good ones go to law school])* and the death of those dictaphone-toting elder partners.

*i'm sure there still are lawyers who could wax rhapsodic about the good old days b/f women went to law school. (when their radcliffe-educated secretaries would catch grammatical errors in their cover letters [but i digress. i do.].)

note melanie, period within and without the paren or i suppose to be more accurate -- square bracket.

[h. von bingen]

dickinson . . . so terrible to misspell one's idol's name.

[justme]

Originally posted by h. von bingen
i favor the dash (as did my idol emily dickenson) to set off expositional phrases.

William Saffire ranted on about hyphen usage in the place of parentheticals somewhat recently.

[justme]

Originally posted by h. von bingen
note melanie, period within and without the paren or i suppose to be more accurate -- square bracket.

Brackets (and braces) have fallen out of favor in technical writing as they often have symantic meaning other than as a delimitor.

That came off as much more snottish than I intended. I generally don't care about anyone else's bad grammar... just my own.

[justme]

Originally posted by justme
William Saffire ranted on about hyphen usage in the place of parentheticals somewhat recently.

I think William Saffire should do more LSD.

[justme]

Originally posted by justme
(I doubt that the use of parentheses came from grammatical minds)

((((But I've waded through a lot of parenthesis before))))

I was thinking of programmers when I wrote this.

[justme]

Originally posted by h. von bingen
good typing skills are essential to au courrant lawyers

I used to be a programmer. Everyone found it amazing that I couldn't (still can't) touch type.

[rajah]

Originally posted by h. von bingen
rajah:

short list re: those who care about grammar. ...
1. I think of "short list" in a different context, you see.

2. Quote from a post in the Memory Lane thread:

"Those fortunate few who remember the legendary Mick--her of the twinkling personality, the cheery smile, the exquisite breasts, and the idiosyncratic use of the razor, not to mention sundry skills ..."

Note scrupulous use of appositive in the objective case.

[Bill Furniture]

Originally posted by justlooking
PS -- ASSCon is the bargain basement. I don't think ASSCon represents what anybody would really argue is good.

It's a cool place to check out a few times though.

[Bill Furniture]

Originally posted by PetiteFantasy
Although, I doubt many people here really give a shit about correct grammar--what can I say, it's one of my few compulsions.

Any other compulsions you'd like to share?

BTW, your number is coming up swetie.:)

[Bill Furniture]

Originally posted by justlooking
Melanie is My Hero.

DITTO

[Bill Furniture]

Originally posted by h. von bingen


i'm sure i missed a number of other people.

You did and you don't capitalize the first word in your sebntences like you should.

[PetiteFantasy]

Originally posted by Bill Furniture
Any other compulsions you'd like to share?

*we now interrupt this broadcast to bring you a special message from our sponsors*

Well, Bill, I also have this terrible oral fixation--I just love sucking on things! Especially long smooth cocks, they're so yummy! I absolutely adore slowly licking up and down the sides, teasing you by gently slipping my mouth over the head, kissing and fondling your balls, and then finally sliding your whole beautiful cock down my throat until you release your sweet juices onto my awaiting tongue. And don't think it stops there! I will keep going until you pull me off because the ectasy I bring you has become too much to bear. Mmmmmm.

*thanks for supporting our sponsors, folks, we now return you to your original discussion*

[pswope]

Originally posted by PetiteFantasy
Hey, some of my favorite clothes come from bargain basements, Salvation Army's, Dollar a Pound, etc. There's something incredibly enjoyable about wading through all the shit to find the one good thing in the store.

(Actually, as t can I say, it's one of my few compulsions.)))

Hey, she's one of my heros too!


(wading through wg's and finding model quality WOCS like BB, ECBW,Tara,lala is sublime)

Viva H&M,Loehman's and WOCs!

[h. von bingen]

Originally posted by rajah
Note scrupulous use of appositive in the objective case.
one of my husbands used a line very much like this on me on our first date. i was in the sack in about 60 seconds flat.

[h. von bingen]

Originally posted by pswope
Viva H&M,Loehman's and WOCs!
uh putty, i think she's talking more about beacon's closet and the like.

[h. von bingen]

Originally posted by PetiteFantasy
*we now interrupt this broadcast to bring you a special message from our sponsors*

Well, Bill, I also have this terrible oral fixation--I just love sucking on things! Especially long smooth cocks, they're so yummy! I absolutely adore slowly licking up and down the sides, teasing you by gently slipping my mouth over the head, kissing and fondling your balls, and then finally sliding your whole beautiful cock down my throat until you release your sweet juices onto my awaiting tongue. And don't think it stops there! I will keep going until you pull me off because the ectasy I bring you has become too much to bear. Mmmmmm.

*thanks for supporting our sponsors, folks, we now return you to your original discussion*

quite divertissant!

[h. von bingen]

Originally posted by justme
William Saffire ranted on about hyphen usage in the place of parentheticals somewhat recently.
hyphens, en dashes and em dashes are all different and used for different things. i like saffire though not nearly as much as edwin newman (on language). i do miss the liberal sprinkling of hyphens throughout language,* there does seem to be a modern tendency to ellide. see e.g. to-day week-end co-operate. en or em dashes, a la the divinely elect, when used judiciously can be exceedingly effective.

as for square brackets: luckily i have never had cause to do or screw any technical writ/ing[ers], and therefore can continue to use square brackets with impunity. i still think when one has a parenthetical w/in a parenthetical w/in a parenthetical the correct form goes like this: ([{}]). but i will be happy to be corrected by a NON-scientist. i'm not being snippy here, i'm fooling around.

*it's so noel coward.

[h. von bingen]

was that safire's column in the magazine section? could you give me date and/or citation? thanks.

[rajah]

Try searching nytimes.com--I'd do it for you (I want to read it myself) but I gotta run.

[h. von bingen]

i did but i didn't see it at quick glance, and i didn't feel like wading through old ws columns. it would be like re-living the reagan admin.

[rajah]

Originally posted by h. von bingen
one of my husbands used a line very much like this on me on our first date. i was in the sack in about 60 seconds flat.

You never know what will work.

What happened to him? Caught him splitting an infinitive? Dangling a participle? Running on a sentence? Saying "dove" for "dived"? Saying "As far as" when he meant "As for"?

[rajah]

I think maybe justme was thinking about Safire's 3/23/03 column on hyphenated compounds in the attributive position (like "scantily-clad women"). Don't see how you could use a hyphen for parentheticals.

[Bill Furniture]

Originally posted by PetiteFantasy
*we now interrupt this broadcast to bring you a special message from our sponsors*

Well, Bill, I also have this terrible oral fixation--I just love sucking on things! Especially long smooth cocks, they're so yummy! I absolutely adore slowly licking up and down the sides, teasing you by gently slipping my mouth over the head, kissing and fondling your balls, and then finally sliding your whole beautiful cock down my throat until you release your sweet juices onto my awaiting tongue. And don't think it stops there! I will keep going until you pull me off because the ectasy I bring you has become too much to bear. Mmmmmm.

*thanks for supporting our sponsors, folks, we now return you to your original discussion*

If only someone could...:cool:

[Bill Furniture]

BTW, what do you think of DATY?

[Bill Furniture]

And Standing 69ing?:D

[Casper]

keep going

[Bill Furniture]

Originally posted by Casper
keep going

where?

[justlooking]

Originally posted by Bill Furniture
It's a cool place to check out a few times though.

I'm not saying I dislike(d) ASSCon or anything. Just that I wouldn't go there looking for "good sex". (Not on premises, anyway.)

[justlooking]

I once used a Greek rhetorical term (the language/culture, not the euphemism) as I was leaving a prostitute's apartment after our second session, and I could see her sort of physically melt. Next thing I knew, she was talking about our moving in together.

Women respond to strange things.

[h. von bingen]

when i couldn't sleep* he would recite virgil and homer to me in the original. on our first date he stopped tongue kissing me and said this:

Whan that Aprille, with hise shoures soote,
The droghte of March hath perced to the roote
And bathed every veyne in swich licour,
Of which vertu engendred is the flour;
Whan Zephirus eek with his swete breeth
Inspired hath in every holt and heeth
The tendre croppes, and the yonge sonne
Hath in the Ram his halfe cours yronne,
And smale foweles maken melodye,
That slepen al the nyght with open eye-
So priketh hem Nature in hir corages-
Thanne longen folk to goon on pilgrimages
And palmeres for to seken straunge strondes
To ferne halwes, kowthe in sondry londes;
And specially, from every shires ende

*sleeping is a big problem for me (can't turn it off you know).

[rajah]

Of Engelond, to Caunterbury they wende
The holy blissfull martyre for to seke
That them hath holpen when that they were sicke.

[justlooking]

You're really obsessed, aren't you?

[rajah]

For wel he knewe, a woman hath no berde.

What would he have done in the Age of Shaving?

[h. von bingen]

Originally posted by rajah
Of Engelond, to Caunterbury they wende
The holy blissfull martyre for to seke
That them hath holpen when that they were sicke.
thanks. obviously i didn't copy the whole thing.

by the way, she would know the answer to whoremonger:

http://www.umich.edu/~urecord/0001/Apr23_01/9.htm

[h. von bingen]

Originally posted by justlooking
You're really obsessed, aren't you?
if that's a good quality in a stripper, it's a good quality in a whoremonger.

[rajah]

Originally posted by h. von bingen
thanks. obviously i didn't copy the whole thing.
by the way, she would know the answer to whoremonger:

_Please_, m'dear, I was not copying, I was reciting.

Wonder how we ask her.

[h. von bingen]

Originally posted by rajah
1. ]_Please_, m'dear, I was not copying, I was reciting.

2. Wonder how we ask her.

1. i knew you were reciting; i was just trying to say i wasn't.
2. we can't send jl; she's fully clothed.

there is an online dictionary, but you need the right creds to root around. my ex-mother-in-law would know, but discretion constrains me.

[h. von bingen]

oops

[justlooking]

Originally posted by h. von bingen
if that's a good quality in a stripper, it's a good quality in a whoremonger.

That was absolutely NOT meant pejoratively.

[h. von bingen]

Originally posted by justlooking
That was absolutely NOT meant pejoratively.
i know.

[Bill Furniture]

Originally posted by justlooking
I'm not saying I dislike(d) ASSCon or anything. Just that I wouldn't go there looking for "good sex". (Not on premises, anyway.)

When I saw Liquid there, it was good sex.:D

[Casper]

Whenever I see liquid it's always a sign of good sex.

[justlooking]

Something happened recently that I thought might clarify my thinking on this burning issue. Let's tease it out and see if we get anything.

I was in a session. After some hot-seeming foreplay, the prostitute shoved her vagina in my face and positioned herself for 69. Before she went down on me, though, she slapped on a condom. (To be fair, I knew in advance that she Didn't Do bareback oral.)

This is absurd, I thought to myself. I'm paying, but she's expecting that I'm going give her direct oral stimulation while I only get done through a condom. "This is absurd," I said aloud. She immediately changed to move into genital intercourse, but I deflated. It took a lot of work to finally get me off.

What I think is:

1. There's the anger issue. I know that a prostitute doesn't care about getting stimulated during a session, and that when she offers me the opportunity to commit oral sex on her it's as a service to me, for my satisfaction. She's probably thinking about her shopping list. Nevertheless, I'm not going to pay to engage in unreciprocated risky conduct. It's nuts.

2. There's the ego issue. This is the big one. To me, covered oral is one of the big signifiers that this is just a commercial transaction. I've never had covered noncommercial oral. Now I'm obviously a tremendous advocate of doing everything one can to remind oneself that these are merely commercial transactions when one is outside of sessions. But a session is worth nothing to me if I'm reminded of that during the session. Although I know it's irrational, emotionally I "read" covered oral as a personal rejection: like, "there's no way you're someone I'd give real oral sex to." It's the same reason I can't stand getting table dances from strippers who I know won't sleep with me: to me, they're just reminders of what the girls won't do.

Now none of this is particularly admirable. But there's nothing particularly admirable about being a consumer of commercial sex, either.

[Cloud Nine]

Is there anything admirable about another round of JL/limp dick jokes?

[justlooking]

Has that ever stopped you in the past?

[Cloud Nine]

Yes, I have two song parodies I never posted.

[justlooking]

OK.

IT'S NOT ADMIRABLE.

[Cloud Nine]

okay, you don't have to shout...

[justlooking]

Shouting would have been in red.

[justme]

Originally posted by h. von bingen
hyphens, en dashes and em dashes are all different and used for different things. i like saffire though not nearly as much as edwin newman (on language).

i still think when one has a parenthetical w/in a parenthetical w/in a parenthetical the correct form goes like this: ([{}]). but i will be happy to be corrected by a NON-scientist. i'm not being snippy here, i'm fooling around.

I can't punctuate! (heh)

Ditto non snippy. Braces,* like brakets,* have meaning and should be avoided in technical writing. As should be obvious by now, I have no idea how to write otherwise.
__________

* - Better PF?

(I've never *'d a ',' before. That was fun.)

[justme]

Originally posted by h. von bingen
was that safire's column in the magazine section? could you give me date and/or citation? thanks.

Yes.
No (I'm fairly certain it was within the last year).

[justme]

Originally posted by rajah
I think maybe justme was thinking about Safire's 3/23/03 column on hyphenated compounds in the attributive position (like "scantily-clad women"). Don't see how you could use a hyphen for parentheticals.

It's entirely possible that I am confused (and/or am misremembering), but I distinctly remember him getting upset about hyphens to set off an idea. I don't think it was the main focus of the article, though.

[justme]

Originally posted by h. von bingen
Whan that Aprille, with hise shoures soote,
The droghte of March hath perced to the roote
And bathed every veyne in swich licour,
Of which vertu engendred is the flour;

You can recite this to Yankee Doodle.

(Extra credit in high school. I still remember it. It's amazing what gets stuck in there.)

[h. von bingen]

Originally posted by justme
(I've never *'d a ',' before. That was fun.)
i'm sure if i said how cute this is, you would call me ageist.

[h. von bingen]

btw speaking of young and alive . . . is there such a thing as a cbj in noncommercial sex in this our post apocalyptic era?

[justme]

By the way, I'd like to sarcastically thank JL for making me aware of an issue that had never occured to me (half covered 69). If this later bugs me in a session, I'll be sure to sarcastically thank him again.

(Seriously, if you're going to perform cunnilingus in a session at all (and I do (for my enjoyment, of course)), what does it matter if she happens to be giving you a cbj at the same time?)

[justme]

Originally posted by h. von bingen
i'm sure if i said how cute this is, you would call me ageist.

No, no, no! I'd actually love it.

(Trying to be cute is my best commercial strategy)

[justme]

Originally posted by h. von bingen
btw speaking of young and alive . . . is there such a thing as a cbj in noncommercial sex in this our post apocalyptic era?

Yes.

There are some girls who take the condom box seriously

(As I'm sure you know, correct use of a condom demands that it goes on as soon as the pants come off. I've never met anyone that rigid, but I have been with women that demand that it goes on as soon as it's errect. These have never been women I knew well.)

But (for me), what happens much more frequently than that is that I'm having cfs, and we switch to doing something else and so the cover just stays on.

[h. von bingen]

Originally posted by justme
1. As I'm sure you know, correct use of a condom demands that it goes on as soon as the pants come off. 2. I've never met anyone that rigid,

1. actually what i don't know about condoms could fill a book.
2. there's a joke here w/r/t to some of you're posts: i thought you were, but since i'm doing so well with the compliments today, i'll leave that alone.

btw, re: my last comment. it's amazing that what passes for sparkling wit in the real world can fall like a leaden condom in the virtual one. (i did mean it though, it is cute.)

[alterego]

Originally posted by h. von bingen
btw speaking of young and alive . . . is there such a thing as a cbj in noncommercial sex in this our post apocalyptic era?

I've sure never seen it, and the last few civilian girls I've dated have been pretty rigid about condom use for intercourse. But I've never seen CBJ except in the hobby.

æ

[justme]

Question for alterego.

So suppose you're having intercourse with a woman who demands a condom, but before you ejaculate you stop having intercourse and do other things, including getting a blow job. Do you remove the cover and then take the time to put one back on?

[Cloud Nine]

JL- dont take this question the wrong way, I am not passing judgement nor do I feel you have to answer it....

Do you do BBFS with the strippers you see when paying for play? THe thought being that it would be less "risky" to engage in BBFS with someone who's not a "full time" prostitiute? I ask more for the curiosity as you seem to do the stripper thing to attain the seemingly more real GFE.

(and dont scream at me again)

[alterego]

Originally posted by justme
Question for alterego.

So suppose you're having intercourse with a woman who demands a condom, but before you ejaculate you stop having intercourse and do other things, including getting a blow job. Do you remove the cover and then take the time to put one back on?

Damn, that's complicated, now I have to think.

Usually BBBJ and DATY were appetizers that came before the main course, so the condom didn't make its appearance until AFTER the oral.

But when it was a long round of fun, with lots of intercourse and oral all mixed together, then, yeah, I got rid of the old condom and took the time to put a new one on later. How much time does it really take, anyhow? I can get a condom on in 5-10 seconds, including getting it out of the wrapper. After the last couple of girlfriends I've had I'm so used to putting one on it's become second nature and I don't really think about it.

æ

[BigMadM]

Eenie, meenie, miny mo,
I want a bj by a ho,
If she tries to cover my dick,
Im out the door real,real quick.


Its better to choose your prostitutes by what she Will do.

[justlooking]

No.

[Cloud Nine]

good to know and I wasnt accusing you of it...

[h. von bingen]

Originally posted by BigMadM
Eenie, meenie, miny mo,
I want a bj by a ho,
If she tries to cover my dick,
Im out the door real,real quick.

see: lenski.

[justlooking]

I don't think of BBFS as something to be "accused of". I think of it as something that happens sometimes. As it happens, it's never happened with any of my Stripper Friends (by which I mean, strippers I see outside the club).

I think the question you meant to ask is, do I go looking for BBFS from strippers? And the answer to that (obviously) is "no": I don't go looking for BBFS from anyone (I'm not married to).

[justme]

æ - See, for me the pacing would be interrupted too much, even for just 5 - 10 seconds (and I guess it's always seemed like more time than that...). Also, I don't get a whole lot of sensation out of uncovered blowjobs (I know that this puts me in a very small mnority), so for me the marginal difference is too negligible to bother with repapplying a condom later.

[Cloud Nine]

JL- thanks for rephrasing that -youre more eloquent than I

[justlooking]

I guess I got it a little wrong, though.

You probably also meant to ask, "Does BBFS routinely get offered to you by strippers?"

To which the answer is also "no."

[alterego]

Originally posted by justme
Also, I don't get a whole lot of sensation out of uncovered blowjobs

Huh????

I'm not doubting you, but I just don't understand how this could be true.

æ

[justlooking]

You could almost be in Ripley's.

[h. von bingen]

Originally posted by justme
æ - See, for me the pacing would be interrupted too much, even for just 5 - 10 seconds (and I guess it's always seemed like more time than that...). Also, I don't get a whole lot of sensation out of uncovered blowjobs (I know that this puts me in a very small mnority), so for me the marginal difference is too negligible to bother with repapplying a condom later.
i don't mean this as an indictment in any way. but, you're like a girl's worst nightmare: the super highly calibrated guy.* i think for the most part, girls like (as one of jl's stripperfriends once said) guys who come fast (at least from blow jobs). there's few things as frustrating as a guy that you're going down on who looks like they are going to come like 10 times and never gets there. if i wanted that kind of aggro, i'd have sex with a girl.

*btw, i think this is a function of people who think too much. goddamn that life of the mind crapola.

[justlooking]

Originally posted by justme
(Seriously, if you're going to perform cunnilingus in a session at all (and I do (for my enjoyment, of course)), what does it matter if she happens to be giving you a cbj at the same time?)

1. In this particular case, because to me the whole point of 69 as a sex act is mutuality.

2. In general, because the selfish reason I enjoy performing cunnilingus is that I enjoy feeling like I got some woman really off. But part of why is so that she'll be more passionate and uninhibited toward me. Which as far as I'm concerned is over the minute the condom slips on for a blow job.

[pjorourke]

Originally posted by h. von bingen
i don't mean this as an indictment in any way. but, you're like a girl's worst nightmare: the super highly calibrated guy.* i think for the most part, girls like (as one of jl's stripperfriends once said) guys who come fast (at least from blow jobs). there's few things as frustrating as a guy that you're going down on who looks like they are going to come like 10 times and never gets there. if i wanted that kind of aggro, i'd have sex with a girl.

*btw, i think this is a function of people who think too much. goddamn that life of the mind crapola.

Then how come when hombre is plowing your field (so to speak), you keep yelling "don't stop"?

[h. von bingen]

note the parenthetical.

btw, since i now live with hombre we have very little sex. i expect to stop completely when we get married. (can't ever say i don't make a good wife.)

[pjorourke]

Originally posted by h. von bingen
1. note the parenthetical.

2. btw, since i now live with hombre we have very little sex. i expect to stop completely when we get married. (can't ever say i don't make a good wife.)

1. What parenthetical? I thought I knew how to read them until we had the long discussion on proper punctuation thereof. Now I'm just confused.

2. Sorry to hear that. When married, will you then start engaging in commercial sex like the rest of us?

[justme]

Originally posted by h. von bingen
i don't mean this as an indictment in any way. but, you're like a girl's worst nightmare: the super highly calibrated guy.* i think for the most part, girls like (as one of jl's stripperfriends once said) guys who come fast (at least from blow jobs). there's few things as frustrating as a guy that you're going down on who looks like they are going to come like 10 times and never gets there. if i wanted that kind of aggro, i'd have sex with a girl.

*btw, i think this is a function of people who think too much. goddamn that life of the mind crapola.

Let's see here...

It's not that I can't come fast, it's just that I don't want to (normally). That's not even entirely true. If I were to have sex about as often as I'd like (maybe 2-3 times a day), I'm sure a good deal of it would be fairly quick. In the times that I have been able to have sex about that frequently, quickie sex was definitely part of the portfolio (I can't count the number of times I was out the door for work, on the kitchen table five seconds later, and still on time to catch my bus).

But when I have sex as infrequently as I've had it the past few years (not much more than weekly on the average), I just have a real problem with letting it go by too quick.

Specifically talking about oral sex, it really shouldn't come as any surprise that I don't get a lot out of it. There's just no affirmation in being a recipient (that looks really counterintuitive when I write it out). And I'd never make a woman try to bring me off via oral (unless I was paying for it and even then rarely). Sometimes I've had a woman insist, viewing it as almost a challenge, on these occasions it's worked out OK.

[h. von bingen]

Originally posted by pjorourke
1. What parenthetical? I thought I knew how to read them until we had the long discussion on proper punctuation thereof. Now I'm just confused.

2. Sorry to hear that. When married, will you then start engaging in commercial sex like the rest of us?
2. of course, since it's not cheating.
1. blowjobs.

[justme]

Originally posted by justlooking
1. In this particular case, because to me the whole point of 69 as a sex act is mutuality.

2. In general, because the selfish reason I enjoy performing cunnilingus is that I enjoy feeling like I got some woman really off. But part of why is so that she'll be more passionate and uninhibited toward me. Which as far as I'm concerned is over the minute the condom slips on for a blow job.

1. I'm not sure that I assign a 'point' to individual sex acts except...

2. Yeah, I suppose that the selfish reason I perform cunnilingus during commercial sex (other than the histrionic related ones) is that I have some vain hopes that it will lead to better sex (actually, not so vain, given experience). Anyway, I've found that I can still secure the better sex regardless of whether or not I can secure a bbbj.

(And of course we have to remember that I belong in Ripley's)

[justme]

(Of course a woman wants a guy to come quick while giving him head. A guy wants the same out of a woman (for the most part). I mean, there's not a whole lot of pleasure out of giving oral sex aside from the 'ta da!' aspect, and you get that just as well (if not more) when it occurs sooner rather than later.)

[justlooking]

Originally posted by justme
But when I have sex as infrequently as I've had it the past few years (not much more than weekly on the average),

The lives of the unmarried are unimaginable to the married.

[alterego]

Originally posted by justlooking
The lives of the unmarried are unimaginable to the married.

And vice versa.

æ

[h. von bingen]

Originally posted by justme
(Of course a woman wants a guy to come quick while giving him head. A guy wants the same out of a woman (for the most part). I mean, there's not a whole lot of pleasure out of giving oral sex aside from the 'ta da!' aspect, and you get that just as well (if not more) when it occurs sooner rather than later.)
nice analysis. although i have to say it shouldn't be too quick. i actually enjoy it alot until lockjaw sets in.

[h. von bingen]

Originally posted by justlooking
The lives of the unmarried are unimaginable to the married.
believe it or not jl, he may be doing well at 1x per.

[paulie_walnuts]

Now are we talking about married people in general, or those that "don't cheat", or those that don't cheat?

[alterego]

Originally posted by justme
A guy wants the same out of a woman (for the most part). I mean, there's not a whole lot of pleasure out of giving oral sex aside from the 'ta da!' aspect


Oh man, I TOTALLY disagree with this.

I really like the feeling of going down on a girl. I like the taste of her, and the smell of her, and the feel of her on my tongue. I really get off on it. It's not some altruistic thing (although it is fun if/when she comes), and it's not an attempt to get her to do something else later (although I never pass up a BBBJ in return). It's just that eating pussy is SO much fun, especially with non-providers.

æ

[justme]

I would posit that the taste / smell etc. are mental triggers to more tactile pleasures. Pavlov or something.

(Would you be happy if you only went down on a woman... no sex performed on you (vaginal, oral, or otherwise).

[h. von bingen]

Originally posted by alterego
Oh man, I TOTALLY disagree with this.

I really like the feeling of going down on a girl. I like the taste of her, and the smell of her, and the feel of her on my tongue. I really get off on it. It's not some altruistic thing (although it is fun if/when she comes), and it's not an attempt to get her to do something else later (although I never pass up a BBBJ in return). It's just that eating pussy is SO much fun, especially with non-providers.

æ
and your phone number is?

[paulie_walnuts]

Originally posted by justme
I would posit that the taste / smell etc. are mental triggers to more tactile pleasures. Pavlov or something.

(Would you be happy if you only went down on a woman... no sex performed on you (vaginal, oral, or otherwise).

Plenty of evolutionary psychology speculations in this realm.

Theory 1 - pheromones and all that
Theory 2 - illness check
Theory 3 - both of the above

[paulie_walnuts]

Originally posted by h. von bingen
and your phone number is?

"It's mrrph mrrrph mumph, mummmph mumph, mrrrph mrrph."

[alterego]

Originally posted by paulie_walnuts
"It's mrrph mrrrph mumph, mummmph mumph, mrrrph mrrph."

You forgot the area code.

æ

[alterego]

Originally posted by justme
(Would you be happy if you only went down on a woman... no sex performed on you (vaginal, oral, or otherwise).

O.K. I wouldn't be happy if that's all I did every single time and never got any other action.

But there have certainly been lots of times (with civilian girlfriends - I would never do this with a provider) where kissing and eating pussy WAS the unreciprocated main event.

I don't know, maybe I'm just orally fixated. I'm always chewing gum, or drinking a coffee, or smoking a cigarette, or talking or whatever. But I really get into eating pussy. I get down there and I really get into the whole rhythm of it and I kind of tune everything else out.

æ

[Casper]

I get off on getting her off orally. That's why I wil never see anyone that offers one cup or doesn't allow DATY. And why I look her and it over before feasting.

[h. von bingen]

Originally posted by alterego
But there have certainly been lots of times (with civilian girlfriends - I would never do this with a provider) where kissing and eating pussy WAS the unreciprocated main event.

I don't know, maybe I'm just orally fixated. I'm always chewing gum, or drinking a coffee, or smoking a cigarette, or talking or whatever. But I really get into eating pussy. I get down there and I really get into the whole rhythm of it and I kind of tune everything else out.

æ
a street address will do, please don't forget the zip + 4.

[justme]

Originally posted by alterego
But there have certainly been lots of times (with civilian girlfriends - I would never do this with a provider) where kissing and eating pussy WAS the unreciprocated main event.

Emphasis added (at a place that I think is very relevant to the discussion)

I can say the same, but it was more of a 'gift' sort of thing than a selfish sort of thing.

[alterego]

Originally posted by h. von bingen
the zip + 4.

Does anybody actually know their +4?

æ

[justlooking]

I was gonna add that same emphasis.

[justlooking]

(Is anybody gonna ask alterego how he does that "ae" thing at the end of his posts?)

[Casper]

hit quote button and find out.. :D

[justlooking]

(Is anybody gonna ask what "& a e l i g ;" means?)

[Casper]

Originally posted by alterego
Does anybody actually know their +4?

æ

I do but never use it. Gets there anyway so why bother.
Sometimes I still make phone calls without first dialing a 1. I'm such the rebel uh.

[PetiteFantasy]

Originally posted by justlooking
(Is anybody gonna ask alterego how he does that "ae" thing at the end of his posts?)

Option "

[alterego]

Originally posted by justme
Emphasis added (at a place that I think is very relevant to the discussion)

DATY isn't nearly as much fun with a provider. Even if they let you do it at all, they're usually antsy to get to work themselves and give you the 'signal' to come up pretty quickly.

Civilian girls NEVER say you can't go down on them, unless they're really not feeling well, in which case you're probably not going to be doing anything at all. And they aren't watching the clock when you're down there, so you can really take your time and get into it.

On the other hand, providers are much better when it comes to GETTING head. Then it's all reversed.
The civilian girls don't feel like doing it half the time, and even when they do it can sometimes be rushed.

æ

[Casper]

Originally posted by alterego
DATY isn't nearly as much fun with a provider. Even if they let you do it at all, they're usually antsy to get to work themselves and give you the 'signal' to come up pretty quickly.

æ

You might not be seeing the right ones.

[alterego]

Originally posted by justlooking
(Is anybody gonna ask what "& a e l i g ;" means?)

That's just how you make the æ symbol.

There are about 50 special characters in HTML you can make by placing a command between an ampersand and a semicolon. Mostly they are vowels with various accents.

æ

[Casper]

Arrrrrrrrrrgh.. i'm trying to do it with f u with it's not working out ... HH would love that one.

[justlooking]

subpoenæ

[PetiteFantasy]

Æ, not all girls enjoy being gone down on (ooh, that's an awkward turn of phrase). For example, I discourage everyone from going on down me, girls, guys, paid, unpaid; I just don't like it. I have talked to quite a few guys and girls about this, and as it turns out, while I'm not certainly not the norm, it's not heart-stoppingly weird that I don't enjoy it.

[justme]

Originally posted by alterego
Civilian girls NEVER say you can't go down on them

This isn't necessarily true in my experience.

(It still kind of wierds me out / saddnes me when I come across it.)

[alterego]

Originally posted by Casper
You might not be seeing the right ones.

You're probably right, but that's been my general experience.

Anyhow, that's not usually what I'm looking for with providers.

It's like going to a massage therapist. I love giving massages. But when I go to get a massage that's what I want. I want to GET a massage.

æ

[Casper]

Originally posted by alterego
You're probably right, but that's been my general experience.

Anyhow, that's not usually what I'm looking for with providers.

It's like going to a massage therapist. I love giving massages. But when I go to get a massage that's what I want. I want to GET a massage.

æ

Understood and that's why you're not seeing the same kind of activity available as I get. All makes sense now.

we now return you to our reguarly scheduled hijacked thread.

[CoyoteGirlJosi]

Originally posted by alterego
Oh man, I TOTALLY disagree with this.

I really like the feeling of going down on a girl. I like the taste of her, and the smell of her, and the feel of her on my tongue. I really get off on it. It's not some altruistic thing (although it is fun if/when she comes), and it's not an attempt to get her to do something else later (although I never pass up a BBBJ in return). It's just that eating pussy is SO much fun, especially with non-providers.

æ
I wouldnt pinpoint it on providers/nonproviders Dear....Ive been known to let a few camp out and sent up tent in my pussycat.....

[alterego]

Originally posted by PetiteFantasy
Æ, not all girls enjoy being gone down on (ooh, that's an awkward turn of phrase). For example, I discourage everyone from going on down me, girls, guys, paid, unpaid; I just don't like it. I have talked to quite a few guys and girls about this, and as it turns out, while I'm not certainly not the norm, it's not heart-stoppingly weird that I don't enjoy it.

O.K. but we are both a bit odd, and probably because we are both somewhat orally fixated. I'm just guessing here, I've never actually met you.

æ

[justme]

(I made my post above before I read PF's post. I just want to make it clear that just because it weirds me out, I don't necessarily think its weird.)

[alterego]

Originally posted by CoyoteGirlJosi
I wouldnt pinpoint it on providers/nonproviders Dear....Ive been known to let a few camp out and sent up tent in my pussycat.....

I'm willing to bet that you are the exception to a lot of rules... that's what's so cool about you.

æ

[justlooking]

Have you tried dogs yet?

[pjorourke]

Originally posted by alterego
Does anybody actually know their +4?

æ

4881 (It was on a piece of junk mail sitting on my desk.)

[JackT]

So now we can use the British spellings:

encyclopædia
mediæval
anæsthetic
archæology

[JackT]

How about:

fœtus

and

œsophagus

[alterego]

Originally posted by pjorourke
4881 (It was on a piece of junk mail sitting on my desk.)

You are the last person here I would have suspected to know your full zip code. Don't you know that those last four digits are an intrusive attempt by big government to FIND OUT WHERE WE LIVE!

Once they have that information, they can send out the black UN helicopters to spy on us and take away our guns. I think Hillary might be behind the whole thing.

æ

[justlooking]

No, it's even worse than that. BIG GOVERNMENT KNOWS WHERE YOU LIVE. That's how they assign you the extra four digits to begin with. Hilary's gonna be over at pj's any minute now. And she's gonna be demanding a snack.

[rajah]

Originally posted by justlooking
Hilary's gonna be over at pj's any minute now. And she's gonna be demanding a snack.
What kind of snack? Not the kind we have been talking about, I'll be bound.

[pjorourke]

Well, I would believe that Hillary was behind it, except that Zip+4 was introduced in 1983. Must have been approved during one of Ronnies naps or more likely by uber-engineer Carter and it just took those knuckleheads at the Post Office 3 years to come up with a catchy name.

RD & I are ever vigilant for the black helos.

[pjorourke]

Originally posted by rajah
What kind of snack? Not the kind we have been talking about, I'll be bound.

Now that is one piece of ass that I would turn down flat. Yeeeccchh!

[justlooking]

Originally posted by justme
1. I'm not sure that I assign a 'point' to individual sex acts except...

2. Yeah, I suppose that the selfish reason I perform cunnilingus during commercial sex (other than the histrionic related ones) is that I have some vain hopes that it will lead to better sex (actually, not so vain, given experience). Anyway, I've found that I can still secure the better sex regardless of whether or not I can secure a bbbj.

(And of course we have to remember that I belong in Ripley's)

So I guess it comes back to swope's point.

I don't think covered FS is any great thing. But obviously I don't expect or particularly want (unless I'm being honest -- but let's put that aside) BBFS commercially. (I mean, certainly I don't look for it.)

So that leaves us with the situation where I'm giving the prostitute oral sex, and she's getting all hot and bothered (or pretending to -- I can't know), and then all I get is some covered BJ that feels like absolutely nothing to me, so then we move onto covered genital sex that, to be honest, doesn't feel a whole heck of a lot better from my perspective, but she's all wet and stuff and obviously wanting to come (or pretending to -- I can't know), and without the BBBJ to get me started I'm not feeling very stimulated at all, and the pressure is building and I'm not feeling anything, and we're even positioning ourselves to maximize her stimulation rather than mine, and . . . .

You can see that what I'm getting just doesn't turn out to be "great sex" for me.

[justlooking]

In a way, you might say that my giving her oral made it even worse for me.

[Bill Furniture]

Originally posted by justme
By the way, I'd like to sarcastically thank JL for making me aware of an issue that had never occured to me (half covered 69). If this later bugs me in a session, I'll be sure to sarcastically thank him again.

(Seriously, if you're going to perform cunnilingus in a session at all (and I do (for my enjoyment, of course)), what does it matter if she happens to be giving you a cbj at the same time?)

It bugs me like crazy!

[Bill Furniture]

Originally posted by h. von bingen
btw speaking of young and alive . . . is there such a thing as a cbj in noncommercial sex in this our post apocalyptic era?

Being that so many girls complain that their man won't go down on them, I find it hard to believe that they would make their boyfriend cover up for a BJ.

[Bill Furniture]

Originally posted by justlooking
You could almost be in Ripley's.

This would fall into the "I don't believe it" category.

[Bill Furniture]

Originally posted by h. von bingen
note the parenthetical.

btw, since i now live with hombre we have very little sex. i expect to stop completely when we get married. (can't ever say i don't make a good wife.)

Just a typical one.

[Bill Furniture]

Originally posted by alterego
Does anybody actually know their +4?

æ

It somehow gets automatically printed on half of the mail sent to you.

[Bill Furniture]

Originally posted by alterego
DATY isn't nearly as much fun with a provider. Even if they let you do it at all, they're usually antsy to get to work themselves and give you the 'signal' to come up pretty quickly.



I seem to get alot of girls who want me to keep going. Maybe they're doing it to lessen the time of the FS portion?

[Bill Furniture]

Originally posted by PetiteFantasy
Æ, not all girls enjoy being gone down on (ooh, that's an awkward turn of phrase). For example, I discourage everyone from going on down me, girls, guys, paid, unpaid; I just don't like it. I have talked to quite a few guys and girls about this, and as it turns out, while I'm not certainly not the norm, it's not heart-stoppingly weird that I don't enjoy it.

What about just a few licks?:)

[Bill Furniture]

Originally posted by justlooking

So that leaves us with the situation where I'm giving the prostitute oral sex, and she's getting all hot and bothered (or pretending to -- I can't know), and then all I get is some covered BJ that feels like absolutely nothing to me, so then we move onto covered genital sex that, to be honest, doesn't feel a whole heck of a lot better from my perspective, but she's all wet and stuff and obviously wanting to come (or pretending to -- I can't know), and without the BBBJ to get me started I'm not feeling very stimulated at all, and the pressure is building and I'm not feeling anything, and we're even positioning ourselves to maximize her stimulation rather than mine, and . . . .

You can see that what I'm getting just doesn't turn out to be "great sex" for me.

Doctor: So, what brings you here today?

Bill F: Doc, I want some viagra!

Doc: Viagra? Why would a young guy like you need that?

Bill F: Some of the hookers I see won't give me BBBJs and CBJs don't get my dick hard enough.

[Casper]

Originally posted by Bill Furniture
What about just a few licks?:)


You may need more than that to get to the center.

[Cloud Nine]

Originally posted by h. von bingen
note the parenthetical.

btw, since i now live with hombre we have very little sex. i expect to stop completely when we get married. (can't ever say i don't make a good wife.)


well get married already, dammit!!!

I'd like to see hombre posting/reviewing again...

[justme]

Originally posted by justlooking
In a way, you might say that my giving her oral made it even worse for me.

I bet a lot of our disagreement over this has to do with differences between what goes on after we've started having vaginal intercourse.

[h. von bingen]

Originally posted by justme
I bet a lot of our disagreement over this has to do with differences between what goes on after we've started having vaginal intercourse.
which one of you is the vaginal in vaginal intercourse?

[justlooking]

Originally posted by PetiteFantasy
It's not just about cheap thrills, it's the thrill of finding something really wonderful for cheap.

I think in the case of ASSCon that really isn't the case.

(Others probably differ.)

[justme]

Originally posted by h. von bingen
which one of you is the vaginal in vaginal intercourse?

Originally posted by h. von bingen
you know: either it's clever or it's not.

[sod]

Originally posted by justlooking
I think in the case of ASSCon that really isn't the case.

(Others probably differ.)

Deleted. Stupidly inflammatory to the AssCon set.

[justlooking]

Can't slam ASSCon. ASSCon's fun.*
______________________
It's "ASSCon", not "AssCon". It arose out of ASSC or alt.sex.strip-clubs, the usenet newsgroup devoted to strip clubs.

[sod]

In my whoring salad days I'd have been on ASSCon like white on rice.

There are great positives and hysterical negatives about all aspects of . . . . this thing of ours.

[h. von bingen]

i thought asscon was short for ass convention (i swear).

like piece of ass convention, not like the people who go there are . . . well forget it.

[h. von bingen]

re: quote quote

that was too clever.

[Monk]

Originally posted by alterego
DATY isn't nearly as much fun with a provider. Even if they let you do it at all, they're usually antsy to get to work themselves and give you the 'signal' to come up pretty quickly.

Man, you've been seeing the wrong girls. (Or else, you don't know what you're doing down there!)

[alterego]

Originally posted by Monk
Man, you've been seeing the wrong girls. (Or else, you don't know what you're doing down there!)

I think it's the last few providers I've seen.

I've got the same complaint about kissing.

But I've never had either problem with civilians.

æ

[justlooking]

Originally posted by h. von bingen
i thought asscon was short for ass convention (i swear).

And if you want to be really tediously pedantic about it, the current semi-weekly parties aren't ASSCons. They're something called "Club ASSC", which grew out of the last few NYC ASSCons.

[h. von bingen]

why do you dislike henry james so much?

[justlooking]

There's tedious and then there's tedious.

[paulie_walnuts]

There's tedious, and then there's tedious, and then there are discussions about whether Henry James is tedious.

[justlooking]

Do any of you remember that piece Garrison Kieler published in the New York Review of Books in the 70s called "James at Sixteen"?

[justme]

Didn't I hear some quote about the study of tedium being tedious, but the study of the history of tedium was...

(My tuition check is in the mail)

[justlooking]

I actually quoted that quote innumerable times in strip clubs when strippers thought that because I was reading Gershom Scholem I was a kabbalist.

Of course, once it became clear I thought Kabbala was stupid, none of them wanted to talk to me anymore.

[rajah]

Originally posted by h. von bingen
why do you dislike henry james so much?
If you don't know I can't tell you. (I mean that literally--not meant as a smartass response.)

[h. von bingen]

Originally posted by rajah
If you don't know I can't tell you. (I mean that literally--not meant as a smartass response.)
could you please try to explain? or could someone? his writing is no more dated than others, fanny burney (sp?) comes to mind.

[Slinky Bender]

HOF