Would LE ever set up stings on Craigslist?

[sexpert]

Craigslist seems to have alot of bargains but sometimes they seem too good to be true. Like the 100 dollar jammies but it says, you must call and they leave this # for brooklyn. I dunno, im kinda weary about it, I would love to try it but Im a careful mofo and the last thing i need is to be hauled into the station for something so stupid.

[Jack_Maehoffer]

Originally posted by sexpert
Craigslist seems to have alot of bargains but sometimes they seem too good to be true. Like the 100 dollar jammies but it says, you must call and they leave this # for brooklyn. I dunno, im kinda weary about it, I would love to try it but Im a careful mofo and the last thing i need is to be hauled into the station for something so stupid.

SP: It can happen. A lil honey told me that a few incalls were hit by LE. They advertized on CL. I'm leery of CL.

[brucelee1]

I think Better business Bureau should be the chief investigator of CL.

there was an ad about 2 young russian,
open to any wild ideas.

i go there and there is one 5'4'' 300 lbs
russian girl.

even tho no tip was required, i did not stay .

[Jarhead]

Ab-so-fucken-loot-leee................... It's vice's job. And so would you if you worked in Vice. Actually, it sounds like a fun job for some sport. I don't think the cash flow is that great though.

[capitan]

Just my .02 here...

Let the buyer beware... NEVER judge a book by it's cover.

If seems to good to true...then IT IS TO GOOD TO BE TRUE !!


Straight ahead,
Capy

[beadman]

Think the same caution that is used in SW approach can apply here. Just my .02 worth

[loulovesit]

Was entering a hotel in Newark and saw a john in hancuffs and a girl half naked,the girl was posted on CL in NJ this week.... just glad they got him before me.

[Jack_Maehoffer]

Originally posted by loulovesit
Was entering a hotel in Newark and saw a john in hancuffs and a girl half naked,the girl was posted on CL in NJ this week.... just glad they got him before me.

SP: that answers your Q

[RoosterC74]

The answer to the question is a simple-yes.
Capy-Very well put, as always!

[elmaster]

Originally posted by brucelee1
I think Better business Bureau should be the chief investigator of CL.

there was an ad about 2 young russian,
open to any wild ideas.

i go there and there is one 5'4'' 300 lbs
russian girl.

even tho no tip was required, i did not stay .

brucelee, I don't think they lied to you, you got the equivalent of two 150lbs Russian ladies, didn't ya?

Be safe,

Elm

[sexpert]

Thanks for all ur insight! I figured it would be way too risque to be hitting up an bargains on CL. I am sure 50% are legit, 40% are possible amateurs and 10%, even with those #s I aint taking that chance!

[Jfox987]

"Was entering a hotel in Newark and saw a john in hancuffs and a girl half naked,the girl was posted on CL in NJ this week.... just glad they got him before me."

Thats weird.
When they do a bust, dont they need a witness?
Either the john or the girl has to be vice.

If they were both arrested in a hotel room...wheres the proof?

Couldnt it just be a guy and his girlfriend?

[loulovesit]

I know what I saw dude, no way they where bf/gf... it was a bust.
Dont you remember reading all the nonesense in the beginning of the year when they where waiting for the johns in the hotel room after they infiltratred the girl.
The hotel was in Newark off of Route 1 and 9 with the starlight restaurant in the lobby.

[Jfox987]

"I know what I saw dude, no way they where bf/gf... it was a bust"

No, I meant, how do the LE know that it wasnt just a bf/gf.

If neither of the ppl are LE, then they can just say "This is my mistress thats why we are at a hotel"

There is no way for the LE to prove they are lying.

[brucelee1]

brucelee, I don't think they lied to you, you got the equivalent of two 150lbs Russian ladies, didn't ya?

Be safe,

Elm

----------------------------------------------------

that's a good one!!!

i got to find a amp just for you.

[AirTraveler]

Originally posted by loulovesit
Was entering a hotel in Newark and saw a john in hancuffs and a girl half naked,the girl was posted on CL in NJ this week.... just glad they got him before me.

How did you know that the male was a "john"?. Are you sure that it was a prosty bust or are you just assuming that it was. Maybe one or both of the individuals was wanted for some other crime and was traced to the hotel. Perhaps they has outstanding warrants. From your description, it is unlikely that either one was LE. If the male was LE then the female would be taken from the room first and would not leave in cuffs (even if he was cuffed initially to make the collar legit to the female and protect the UC). If the female was LE then she would not have appeared in public half-naked.

If the girl had a outstanding warrant (perhaps for a past prosty bust and was known to post on CL) then CL would an easy way for LE to find her.

[AirTraveler]

While we are on this subject

Several months ago, there were a number of posts (here on UG)abouit a girl in western queens (near brooklyn) that was the subject of just such an accusation. Some posters said that it was a sting, some said that her postings and her activity strongly suggested it was a sting, while several others said that they had seen her and that it was not a sting. There were also posts on CL regarding the fact of it being an LE sting.

She is still on CL posting to the Queens section. Her posts have changed quite a bit from those of that previous time, however, neither of these facts resolve the issue either way.

[loulovesit]

I have heard that that incall spot is HOT, I saw a girl there last summer and she was telling me she saw girls getting arrested.
She was very strict in her verification and I am glad that she was, you have to think deep about some of these girls that just tell you to come on over with out asking you anything.

[savetran2]

Has anyone been in one of the FS AMPs when LE paid a visit? I've been considering visiting one of the midtown FS AMPs and was wondering how long they can be around if they advertise FS and give out their address?

Correct me if I'm wrong but when I go to an AMP, I never ask for anything, I never pay the masseuse upfront and as far as anyone is concerned, I'm there for a great massage. Hypothetically, I'm in the middle of a great massage and the girl decides she likes me and climbs on top, LE walks in, have I done anything wrong?

[DaiDaiLun]

Originally posted by savetran2
Has anyone been in one of the FS AMPs when LE paid a visit? I've been considering visiting one of the midtown FS AMPs and was wondering how long they can be around if they advertise FS and give out their address?

Correct me if I'm wrong but when I go to an AMP, I never ask for anything, I never pay the masseuse upfront and as far as anyone is concerned, I'm there for a great massage. Hypothetically, I'm in the middle of a great massage and the girl decides she likes me and climbs on top, LE walks in, have I done anything wrong?

If she does that, you're both out of luck :(. There are definitely some places I would definitely not go a now because they advertise in chinese newspaper with their telephone # and address. They are places I used to frequent often, but now I'm very wary of going to them.

[sexpert]

Originally posted by savetran2
Has anyone been in one of the FS AMPs when LE paid a visit? I've been considering visiting one of the midtown FS AMPs and was wondering how long they can be around if they advertise FS and give out their address?

Correct me if I'm wrong but when I go to an AMP, I never ask for anything, I never pay the masseuse upfront and as far as anyone is concerned, I'm there for a great massage. Hypothetically, I'm in the middle of a great massage and the girl decides she likes me and climbs on top, LE walks in, have I done anything wrong?

I have been in 1,2,3,4,5 count them 5 raids! 2 korean, 2 amp and 1 spanish. 337 Korean ones are easy, im there for the expensive massage, how much? 160 yea im rich, i pay for expensive massages. 2nd time at the korean place, market street, the leading officer turns out to be a former classmate in high school, tells me to get lost! 2 times at the chinese places, they just told me to leave without any questions, I made believe I didnt speak english those times. SPanish place, ran out the back door this was 44th st in bklyn, i know a few of u been there b4! different situation, different solution,.... deny deny deny! They cant do shit to you!

[sexpert]

On the other hand , a craiglist sting would fuck you up bad!

[firecracker]

Originally posted by sexpert
I have been in 1,2,3,4,5 count them 5 raids! 2 korean, 2 amp and 1 spanish. 337 Korean ones are easy, im there for the expensive massage, how much? 160 yea im rich, i pay for expensive massages. 2nd time at the korean place, market street, the leading officer turns out to be a former classmate in high school, tells me to get lost! 2 times at the chinese places, they just told me to leave without any questions, I made believe I didnt speak english those times. SPanish place, ran out the back door this was 44th st in bklyn, i know a few of u been there b4! different situation, different solution,.... deny deny deny! They cant do shit to you!

They can't do shit to you? For one, they can put your name in the paper. I'm a professional and would lose my entire practice if my name, followed by "was nabbed during a massage parlor bust" appeared in the local rag. Especially in a small town. Even if I was eventually cleared.

[Jack_Maehoffer]

Originally posted by firecracker
They can't do shit to you? For one, they can put your name in the paper. I'm a professional and would lose my entire practice if my name, followed by "was nabbed during a massage parlor bust" appeared in the local rag. Especially in a small town. Even if I was eventually cleared.

That is why I see them when they don't work ;)

[sexpert]

Originally posted by firecracker
They can't do shit to you? For one, they can put your name in the paper. I'm a professional and would lose my entire practice if my name, followed by "was nabbed during a massage parlor bust" appeared in the local rag. Especially in a small town. Even if I was eventually cleared.

I would love for them to put my name in the newspaper, I would sue for slander. Without any true evidence, they cant even say I was arrested for solicitation. At most they can say in the paper that this sucker pays 160 for a massage. Unlike the stings, where they have actual evidence. I have yet to see anyone's name in the paper that was caught in a AMP without evidence. It's the dumb ass guys who pay with CC or get caught in an actual sting that usually ends up in the papers. They can't ALLEGE shit if you are not caught in the act. Unless some bitch rats you out, you're pretty much in the clear. I have learned through much experience that if they really want to get you, it wont be a raid, it would definately be a sting.

[loulovesit]

How do you meet them then... don't you have to first go in and get a service?

[SpaMonger]

Originally posted by sexpert
I would love for them to put my name in the newspaper, I would sue for slander. Without any true evidence, they cant even say I was arrested for solicitation. At most they can say in the paper that this sucker pays 160 for a massage. Unlike the stings, where they have actual evidence. I have yet to see anyone's name in the paper that was caught in a AMP without evidence. It's the dumb ass guys who pay with CC or get caught in an actual sting that usually ends up in the papers. They can't ALLEGE shit if you are not caught in the act. Unless some bitch rats you out, you're pretty much in the clear. I have learned through much experience that if they really want to get you, it wont be a raid, it would definately be a sting.

Sexpert, in NJ THEY WILL will put your name in the paper. Here's an example:

.c The Associated Press

MORRIS TOWNSHIP, N.J. (AP) - A stately turn-of-the-century home known as Sunnymede was being used as a house of prostitution, charging customers $225 an hour for ``afternoon delight,'' authorities said.

Officers raided the home in the prosperous suburb last week, arresting four women and 15 men, some of them top executives, the prosecutor's office said. On Monday, authorities charged the owner of the home, Judith Kelly Dempsey, a 45-year-old real estate agent. The four other women, aged 20 to 35, were charged with prostitution. One also was charged with
possessing heroin.

The raid on the ``Afternoon Delight Escort Service,'' as the business was allegedly called, took place Thursday. She was charged with promoting prostitution. Several of the men charged with soliciting prostitution gave the newspaper different reasons for why they were at the house, but said they weren't seeking out prostitutes.

``I was there for a massage, not sex. My shirt was on. My pants were on,'' said William G. Callahan, 39, division manager of AT&T's Solutions branch.

George Koury, president of Fluid Systems Inc., said he was going to visit a friend but ended up at the wrong address.

``I was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and I ended up in a devastating situation,'' he said.

[Jack_Maehoffer]

Originally posted by loulovesit
How do you meet them then... don't you have to first go in and get a service? http://utopiaguide.com/forums/t19612.html

[sexpert]

Originally posted by SpaMonger
Sexpert, in NJ THEY WILL will put your name in the paper. Here's an example:

.c The Associated Press

MORRIS TOWNSHIP, N.J. (AP) - A stately turn-of-the-century home known as Sunnymede was being used as a house of prostitution, charging customers $225 an hour for ``afternoon delight,'' authorities said.

Officers raided the home in the prosperous suburb last week, arresting four women and 15 men, some of them top executives, the prosecutor's office said. On Monday, authorities charged the owner of the home, Judith Kelly Dempsey, a 45-year-old real estate agent. The four other women, aged 20 to 35, were charged with prostitution. One also was charged with
possessing heroin.

The raid on the ``Afternoon Delight Escort Service,'' as the business was allegedly called, took place Thursday. She was charged with promoting prostitution. Several of the men charged with soliciting prostitution gave the newspaper different reasons for why they were at the house, but said they weren't seeking out prostitutes.

``I was there for a massage, not sex. My shirt was on. My pants were on,'' said William G. Callahan, 39, division manager of AT&T's Solutions branch.

George Koury, president of Fluid Systems Inc., said he was going to visit a friend but ended up at the wrong address.

``I was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and I ended up in a devastating situation,'' he said.

Thats some scary shit but seems its ALWAYS in jersey?

[Jack_Maehoffer]

[i]

``I was there for a massage, not sex. My shirt was on. My pants were on,'' said William G. Callahan, 39, division manager of AT&T's Solutions branch.

George Koury, president of Fluid Systems Inc., said he was going to visit a friend but ended up at the wrong address.

``I was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and I ended up in a devastating situation,'' he said. [/B]

I hear Moe, Larry, Curly hijinx sounds as these dudes rattle off. NyuK NyuK Nyuk!!!

[AirTraveler]

Originally posted by SpaMonger

.``I was there for a massage, not sex. My shirt was on. My pants were on,'' said William G. Callahan, 39, division manager of AT&T's Solutions branch.

George Koury, president of Fluid Systems Inc., said he was going to visit a friend but ended up at the wrong address.

``I was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and I ended up in a devastating situation,'' he said.


How did they get the guys' employment info. When LE asks you, your are required to give your name or show ID (a recent Supreme Court decision affirmed this). The coppers will undoubtably record name, addy and DOB and this info can make it to the press. Usually only the name and age is printed. The employment info almost certainly was given by the alleged perps. They shouldn't have none it. They should have said that were self-employed, unemployed, or retired. The less info that gets into the papers, the less people will notice it and leaves room for deniability (eg "I'm not the Tadeus Whilhelm Kryznikowski that was caught in that raid, there must be another.)

These stories almost always run one or two days at most and then are forgotten. Not many people really read past the first few sentences and the less info they have about someone, the less damage to ones rep.

[savetran2]

Do you think LE will tend to avoid the AMPS this week given the heightened terror alerts in NYC? You would think they would need to focus most resources on protecting the city.

[ODB]

Originally posted by savetran2
Do you think LE will tend to avoid the AMPS this week given the heightened terror alerts in NYC? You would think they would need to focus most resources on protecting the city.

Do you think they would rather risk their lives doing something that requires bravery when it's easier to harass adults trying to have some fun.

[yulebsari]

they should make this whole "game" legal, and tax it. but i guess i will never see this happening in my lifetime...

[Jack_Maehoffer]

Originally posted by yulebsari
they should make this whole "game" legal, and tax it. but i guess i will never see this happening in my lifetime...

Man I would have some fricken write off.

[Jack_Maehoffer]

Posted on Thu, Jul. 29, 2004





67 surrender so far in prostitution case

By David J. Lee

Odessa American


ODESSA - A former Ector County school trustee was one of six men who surrendered to authorities Wednesday, bringing to 67 the number of defendants facing prostitution-related charges.

Police issued 74 arrest warrants after a yearlong investigation that centered on two massage parlors.

On Tuesday, police set up a booking station in a community center in an Odessa park.

Sixty-one people, including attorneys, teachers, accountants and a senior editor at the Odessa American, turned themselves in, posted bail and were released.

Seven men named in arrest warrants had not turned themselves in Wednesday night, Odessa police said.

Most of them face Class B misdemeanor prostitution charges.

Also arrested were three women accused of being "madams" -- Sharon Ann Joyner, Kathy Sue Shrum and Janet Elaine Lietz. Each could be charged with felony aggravated promotion of prostitution, police said.

Shrum and Joyner pleaded guilty last week to federal charges of distribution of cocaine within 1,000 feet of a school.

Among those who surrendered Tuesday was Odessa lawyer Scott Martelle Tidwell, who faces two Class A misdemeanor charges of promoting prostitution and one Class B misdemeanor charge of prostitution.

According to arrest warrant affidavits, Tidwell paid airfare and hotel bills under his law firm's name to bring a prostitute from Irving to Odessa.

Tidwell was a registered user of an adult Web site that allows members to post reviews of prostitutes and adult escorts, according to investigators.

The affidavits say Tidwell reviewed Misty Michelle Harrison on the site and referred to her as his "all-time favorite" prostitute. A few days later, he posted a message on the site that she was coming to Odessa.

Odessa police were notified by the Irving Police Department that Harrison was under investigation for prostitution.

When Irving police seized her computer, several messages from Tidwell were on the hard drive, the warrants say.

The investigation by local and federal law enforcement officers focused on the Healing Touch massage parlor, 3631 N. Dixie Blvd., and Middessa Therapy, 810 E. Eighth St.

Among the men arrested this week are Odessa's city planner, a Midland high school physics teacher, a former Ector County prosecutor, the owner of an insurance company and a prominent rancher.

"I think any town our size, the potential for prostitution is there. I don't think we're any different," Deputy Chief Lou Orras said.

[Slinky Bender]

Originally posted by Padrone
aggravated promotion of prostitution.

At least they got the job description right.

[Jack_Maehoffer]

Detectives use Web to snag prostitutes

By Nathaniel Hoffman




SAN RAMON - Early in his career, sheriff's vice detective Andy Van Zelf figured out how to infiltrate massage parlors that were providing a bit more than a back rub.

For years, Van Zelf and other undercover Contra Costa County sheriff's detectives have slipped into those businesses, often located in strip malls, and asked for a massage. If the masseuse agrees at any point to manipulate below the belt, the cops utter a code word into a wire, and are rescued by their uniformed colleagues.

Van Zelf said the women have altered their techniques to avoid law enforcement. They whisper so the wire won't pick up their voices, keep the cash they've collected off-site and keep staff to a minimum, he said.

Now the operations have hatched a new way to hide from the law: the apartment massage parlor, which attracts customers via Web site.

``Like anything else, they're evolving,'' said Van Zelf, who first noticed the apartment-based operations about a year ago. ``As the criminals get better, so de we.''

San Ramon police recently made their first bust of an apartment-based illegal parlor. After a monthlong investigation, officers raided an attractive ground-floor unit in the Promontory View Apartments. They arrested on suspicion of prostitution a Korean national with no local address.

The woman was booked into county jail and released when no charges were filed, although police say the charges are pending.

The apartment was being used as an ``Asian apartment massage parlor,'' a type of business widely advertised on Bay Area Web sites.

Using a stand-alone computer at the investigations bureau, San Ramon detective Rachelle Davies and Sgt. Joe Gorton browse the Web looking for explicit ads.

Davies and Gorton say they are investigating other apartment massage parlors, hinting that they may set up their own operation to deter the male clientele from visiting San Ramon.

[cnjersey22]

Do the cops just bust in forcefully through the front door, and then kick your room door open?

I would think it's done more quietly, because the more noise the cops make (busting doors, etc) the more likely it is for providers to throw their clothes back on PRONTO. And then they can't catch anybody in the act.

Anyone with raid experience that can shed some light on WHAT EXACTLY HAPPENS DURING A RAID?

[twittle_bee]

FYI:
The girls that are in the "business" working for someone seem to be a higher risk than other personal lower key individuals.
Likelyhood of LE showing up at a business: High

Women setting up men is less than the usual. LE is not that interested it the consumer. It would be backwards and more work for them. If you bust a provider then you have less "johns" using them, therefore shrinking the pool. Men who have been busted and humilated are unlikely to return to any provider. More likey to have an affair: Low

Men setting up women happens more frequently then we would like to think. The biggest thing is LE sets up an outcall for greedy providers donating a lot of money. 20-30 girls show up and they have had a good night (LE that is). High

I have heard many nightmares on all ends. LE sucks but it is an ever annoying precence for all of us. The three senerios above have been what I have heard the most about. On that is less common seems to be the DL provider that doesn't have high traffic and uses thier house or a hotel. But still we never know. :(

[littleguy]

Originally posted by sexpert
I would love for them to put my name in the newspaper, I would sue for slander. Without any true evidence, they cant even say I was arrested for solicitation. At most they can say in the paper that this sucker pays 160 for a massage. Unlike the stings, where they have actual evidence. I have yet to see anyone's name in the paper that was caught in a AMP without evidence. It's the dumb ass guys who pay with CC or get caught in an actual sting that usually ends up in the papers. They can't ALLEGE shit if you are not caught in the act. Unless some bitch rats you out, you're pretty much in the clear. I have learned through much experience that if they really want to get you, it wont be a raid, it would definately be a sting.

You're kidding, right ?

First of all I believe it's "libel", not slander.

Secondly, if it's TRUE, i.e. you WERE arrested for solicitation, then they haven't libeled you either !!!

BTW, has ANYBODY answered the original question ???

[DonVitoB]

I'm from Jersey, so I can attest to them putting your name in the paper. They have a neighborhood weekly (my town, at least-and it;s in Morris County) that writes up EVERYTHING that happened that week. You got a traffic ticket, it's in there. You got arrested, it's in there. The police got called to your house, it's in there. Name, offense, address,everything. I was shocked when I found myself in there. I forgot to pay a traffic ticket. The cops came to my house to arrest me! I wrote out a check to cover the ticket and they left. Lo and behold, the next week I was in there. If you're not from the area, you have to understand what that place is like. It's like freakin' Stepford. Everyone acts all perfect, looking down on "the other side of the tracks"(which they keep in one tiny place). But it's the Stepford wannabes whose kids are in private school snorting coke, the husbands are off boffing other women and the wives are stealing clothes from Bloomingdale's. Typically, the kids are either left home alone or with nannies. The men have "middle life crisises" that are carefully planned so that they can siphon every dollar away from their unsuspecting wives. When they leave, their wives are left to wonder how the man she's loved for 30+ years could just up and leave...so they end up on Zoloft, Xanax and every other pill they've got out there. It's a sorry place to grow up. If you don't leave after high school or college, you're destined to stay there forever.

***It's NOT the place to monger, in case you haven't read this post thoroughly.***

[Escort_King]

Originally posted by cnjersey22
Do the cops just bust in forcefully through the front door, and then kick your room door open?

I would think it's done more quietly, because the more noise the cops make (busting doors, etc) the more likely it is for providers to throw their clothes back on PRONTO. And then they can't catch anybody in the act.

Anyone with raid experience that can shed some light on WHAT EXACTLY HAPPENS DURING A RAID?

yes they do rush front door... the number of ways they do it are endless and interesting....
posting ads that prompt people to make offers... post and wait... so many

[Tcat425]

LE hit LI Hilton on an outcall a few weeks ago. Took an alleged escort in and charged the prost. Tried to take the driver too but the agency's lawyer talked them out of it.

[azzure]

LE is running stings on CL as we speak and CL staff is cooperating.

A "friend of mine" responded to a BBBJ ad last week. Arrives at hotel floor and is greeted, by name, in hallway by LE-type guy three minutes after confirming appt from outside. Smells bad to him, so he denies being [name he used to book appointment] and gets out of there.

Then does a CL search for "BBBJ"- THIS WAS THE ONLY AD OFFERING BBBJ THAT EVENING - ALL OTHERS HAD BEEN REMOVED BY CL STAFF!

Now there is a ad with pics which says we offer any service you can possibly imagine - "just be sure to request it on the phone when making your appointment." LOL

[sexpert]

Originally posted by azzure
LE is running stings on CL as we speak and CL staff is cooperating.

A "friend of mine" responded to a BBBJ ad last week. Arrives at hotel floor and is greeted, by name, in hallway by LE-type guy three minutes after confirming appt from outside. Smells bad to him, so he denies being [name he used to book appointment] and gets out of there.

Then does a CL search for "BBBJ"- THIS WAS THE ONLY AD OFFERING BBBJ THAT EVENING - ALL OTHERS HAD BEEN REMOVED BY CL STAFF!

Now there is a ad with pics which says we offer any service you can possibly imagine - "just be sure to request it on the phone when making your appointment." LOL

Now that's what im talking about, and the reason why i am super hesitant to try out the CL gals,..... sure the chance one takes when they go to an escort or a house is there but it seems that CL is a mousetrap that will eventually snap your tail.

[miles]

Originally posted by loulovesit
Was entering a hotel in Newark and saw a john in hancuffs and a girl half naked,the girl was posted on CL in NJ this week.... just glad they got him before me.


HOW DID YOU KNOW SHE WAS POSTED ON CRAIGS LIST? I'M SURE YOU DIDN'T STICK AROUND TO ASK HER. NO LIES PLEASE. LET'S KEEP THE REVIEWS ACCURATE. NO B.S. PLEASE

[Jack_Maehoffer]

The battle against prostitution has taken on a new look in recent years.


In the old days, the San Diego Police Department's vice unit would mostly check on strip clubs and street corners downtown and hit the peep shows and massage parlors on University Avenue and El Cajon Boulevard.

Now, in addition to patrolling the streets, officers are surfing the Internet. Less than three years ago, there were about 50 Web sites featuring San Diego-based escorts, Sullivan said. Today there are hundreds, and it's a multimillion-dollar business in San Diego, according to industry insiders.

"Our detectives spend almost as much time on the computer as they do on the street," said Sgt. Mark Sullivan of the vice squad.

The officers still go on patrol and take responsibility for all crimes occurring inside adult-entertainment establishments, including violations of the "no-touch" rule. But the vice squad has branched out to also use phony escort Web sites to round up prostitutes.

To pull off these stings, San Diego's 22-member vice squad must be well-versed in online lingo, which is different from what is used on the street.

Johns, or clients, are called "hobbyists," and they are looking for a GFE, or "girlfriend experience." And the online pimps seem a far cry from the stereotypical, Cadillac-driving street pimps.

"The Internet pimp is a Web designer, a computer geek," Sullivan said. "And unlike on the street, the pimp works for the girl."

The change in emphasis seems to suit the public just fine.

In the early 1990s, the department embarked on what was then an unprec****ted study of community attitudes toward the sex business. Vice detectives took residents on ride-alongs to adult entertainment spots and then asked them to comment on the behavior they witnessed.

The study found that community members wanted the police to fight prostitution, but ranked adult entertainment seventh in a list of eight priorities, below home break-ins, vehicle thefts, ******** drinking, speeding enforcement, shoplifting and graffiti.

It also indicated that of all vice operations, regulating nude or topless dancers fell to the bottom of the priority list.

Vice detectives say the clubs' low spot on the priority list is in many ways warranted, even though they know that violations of the city's "no-touch" rule regularly occur.

Nonetheless, club owners still worry about vice raids and the effect they can have on profits. The prospect of police disrupting business was so great to Cheetahs owner Michael Galardi that he made payoffs to protect his investment.

He pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit wire fraud. Galardi gave money to City Councilmen Ralph Inzunza, Michael Zucchet and the late Charles Lewis in hopes of getting the city's law repealed. The councilmen say any payments were properly reported as campaign contributions.

However, despite Galardi's actions, police believe that as far as prostitution and more serious crimes are concerned, the clubs are as "clean as ever," Sullivan said.

"The owners invest too much in the business to take risks."

[mousetato]

while i was channel surfing last night i caught the tail end of a news report on UPN9 news about a Craigslist sting...

can anyone else corroborate this?

[justme]

Apparently it was a child prostitution sting, not just a prostitution sting.

[AirTraveler]

Originally posted by mousetato
while i was channel surfing last night i caught the tail end of a news report on UPN9 news about a Craigslist sting...

can anyone else corroborate this?


not really a child prostitution story but rather some guy trying to hook up with ******** girls.

story in NY Post Online

www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/30899.htm

Guy ran ad in craigs es for teenage girls. feds caught on, tracked him, tricked him and caught him. for the feds it was an easy collar.

For this type of result, the feds or other LE don't have to read cl constantly to try to catch individuals in particular crimes. In the instance of "******** girls" all they have to do is to generate a working word list such that if one of them appeared in a cl ad, it would trigger an investigation. The word list would probably be no more than 2 dozen words and onc a day or even once a week (cl ads are left up for 10 days) those words can be run thru the cl search function and any ad that has them will show up. the ads can then be read to determine if an investigation is warrented. the whole process (the screening) could easily be accomplished by one vice cop in less than an hour.


btw, I do remember seeing the ad when it appeared recently and I thought that it was extremely risky and foolish or was not a really serious ad. Based on the news story, the former proved to be the case.

[sexpert]

Originally posted by AirTraveler
not really a child prostitution story but rather some guy trying to hook up with ******** girls.

story in NY Post Online


btw, I do remember seeing the ad when it appeared recently and I thought that it was extremely risky and foolish or was not a really serious ad. Based on the news story, the former proved to be the case.

Yeah, I saw the same exact ad and thought "this has got to be fake, what kind of idiot would take a risk like this?"

Turns out this kind of idiot.

[Kano]

Originally posted by AirTraveler
While we are on this subject

Several months ago, there were a number of posts (here on UG)abouit a girl in western queens (near brooklyn) that was the subject of just such an accusation. Some posters said that it was a sting, some said that her postings and her activity strongly suggested it was a sting, while several others said that they had seen her and that it was not a sting. There were also posts on CL regarding the fact of it being an LE sting.

She is still on CL posting to the Queens section. Her posts have changed quite a bit from those of that previous time, however, neither of these facts resolve the issue either way.

ADVICE???

How to Avoid getting busted in an incall sting? I know there rare but I dont want to be in that small percentage that gets busted.

Can an undercover female officer show you her body, such as if you ask to see her tits before any money is discussed? I rarely talk money in the room as I feel it is safer getting all of that out of the way on the phone.

You guys have any sage advise other than the above?

[beadman]

Very simple way to avoid this. When i am interested in something in CL. I cross reference the info there with here and TER. If it all matches up then i will proceed with it. Of course not easy to do with a NEW person. You will have to avoid completely new providers there. Any other time you are opening up yourself to a possible sting. Also do not mention any acts or $$ on the phone. Be as vague as possible. just my 2 cents.

[jp1064]

Originally posted by beadman
Be as vague as possible. That won't get you past most legitimate provider screening.

[funstuff]

I made a posting a pretty nondesript ad on CL but did refer to $ and got what seems like a genuine response from a young pretty girl. Now, I'm thinking what if its too good to be true... Anyone have any bad experiences in that regard?

[sexpert]

Originally posted by funstuff
I made a posting a pretty nondesript ad on CL but did refer to $ and got what seems like a genuine response from a young pretty girl. Now, I'm thinking what if its too good to be true... Anyone have any bad experiences in that regard?

Posting on your own seems to be more safe and I dont think LE will set up an elaborate sting on 1 john. A few times I was house sitting in Brooklyn and decided to post a few up. Got 9 responses in an hour for 150, then tried 100 and got like 3. Pretty much said, I can do it fast, I need the money, pretty legit. Met up with 5 total and all were pretty "OK", I would say 3 were Pros and 2 were just some desperate puerto rican girls. Totally worth it and I even kept the 2 puerto rican girls' numbers so I dont need to post anymore whenever I housesit.

Oh yea, i rejected 4 cuz of either old age, or wasnt my cup of tea. They were understanding. Gave them 10 bucks for transportation.

[maxx99bx]

Sexpert,

I never tried posting an add seeking service because there are always so many m4w ads. I just figured that the girls want you to come to them. What did your ad say? Something along the lines of : Willing to provide 150 reasons ...

It makes sense that LE wouldn't set up some elaborate sting to nab one guy. I think that everyone should be vague about $ amounts and specific services on the phone, and then set up a meeting on your terms. Like you pick her up in your car and then tell her which short stay you want to go to. I doubt LE will ever set up a sting where they have so little control of the situation.

It seems like a lot of work, but I can't allow my hobbying to be discovered. Lately I've had a little luck going to strip clubs and other underground events and getting girls numbers there. I think face to face in a trusted setting is the best way to find providers. Just my .02

Maxx

[sexpert]

Originally posted by maxx99bx
Sexpert,

I never tried posting an add seeking service because there are always so many m4w ads. I just figured that the girls want you to come to them. What did your ad say? Something along the lines of : Willing to provide 150 reasons ...



Maxx

Trust me they find you , cuz i believe that 80% of those ads are fake or some other dumb reason. Just make it simple, i never did the 150 reasons thing which i see alot of but i just say i have 150 for a girl in a so and so area near blah blah blah. Within an hour you will have at least 1 response, by the 10th hour at least 3. Some of these guys are obviously full o shit cuz they be saying 400 reasons, or 1000? crazy fuckers.

[Deeuncola]

One of the reasons I have avoided SWs, as a rule, and incalls, to prefer strip bars is simple.

If the girl is flashing bush or breat she is not a cop.

I never say nothing. Just hint. If a top or a bottom is exposed, I know I am NOT dealing with a cop.

The problem for me now is that there are NO sleazy strips bar in South Jersey where I have moved to.

I miss Paterson.

I was thinking of trying CL, but these posts have scared me off of Craigslist until I can get some reviews I can trust.

[qqq35]

just read this--thought it important




REVIEW: GABRIELLE- view pic - 24 (Queens) pic - m4w - 35

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Reply to: [*****]anon-54016027@craigslist.org[/*****]
Date: 2004-12-31, 4:34PM EST


Watch out for her guys. This is a big time set up. You will get in the room to see her, but she leaves the door unlocked and as soon as you hand over what she asks LE busts in and cuffs you. Or if they do not get you in the room they will get you outside.
She has been working a different motel every nite this week and she knows this will happen to you. She got busted a while back on some big time shit, and now she is working with LE to clean some of these places up.
Those are really her pics I will admit that. I was a regular of hers until she sold me out. Don't let it happen to you.
Consider yourselves warned!

[daengman]

Gabrielle - LE sting - Probably not.

Without going into details, I have looked at a number of things, and made a few calls regarding Gabrielle and the Kew and the posts on CL and it is highly unlikely that it is a LE operation.

If all the posts on CL that claimed that a LE sting was happening were in fact true, the the CL erotic services section would dry up.
I have seen girls that had previous claims (CL posts) of being involved in LE stings. Those claims were entirely bogus. The positive and negative of CL is that anyone can post almost anything.
While I don't doubt that LE can and has used CL to run stings, if one uses a bit of due diligence, the risks associated with CL are about the same as pursuing our hobby thru any other means.

[RoosterC74]

Some of these pipe dreams are just unreal. If we have accurate information, please post it, if it is a pipe dream, please save us from that type of crap.

[qqq35]

i disagree. when it comes to caution, all info iswelcomed. let the reader make their own choice. i only postedthe info about gabriella. i never said it was true or false. i onlyposted it as a warning for caution.

[RoosterC74]

TripleQQQ-

Do as you see fit. Of course, I disagree with you, but that is certainly ok on a public board such as this one.

My point is this that posting each time that someone remotely believes that LE might be involved with anything would have to take place each and everyday. It would be liking posting that a radar trap exists on the Garden State Parkway.

By the way-if you check out your history you will see that I have always been in caution.

[RoosterC74]

The other items to keep in mind is location. As history has proven itself through the years, location is a key to LE involvement. An example would be the Morris County Area. If you are going to set up shop-that is not a safe location. Parts of the Jersey Shore are very, very much the same.

[daengman]

There have been a number of warnings on CL with regard to the Pan Am motel on Queens Blvd a d Spice as being a LE operation. The following post appeared a short time ago on CL.

"I'am a women that can make all your SPICY fantacies come true? a sexy latina who can SPICE up your life? WELL I AM SPICE and i am waiting on you ! sexy Puerto Rican girl offering F/S service during morning and early afternoon only from 9 am to 2 pm at easily accessible location off Queens Blvd REASOHR . See hot pics below. Both half hour and full hour appointments available. Please ****** me for contact information, rates, and more details. No late afternoon or evening appointment(include ## for faster responce!) -- 9 am to 2 pm only! "

Does the 9am to 2pm time seem a bit unusual for a provider. On the other hand, don't those times fit nicely with the NYPD day shift. Shift starts at 8 and takes about an hour for squad to get there and set up. Shift ends at 4 or 4:30 and squad gets back about 2 hours early to book the alleged perps they caught and complete paperwork. Bloomy doesn't want any overtime. When you read that one, the smell of the coffee and donuts comes thru the computer.

[pervert7]

OR she works while her kids are in school 8-3 she works 9-2..hmmmm