Paterson Streets Again

[lurkey]

Prostitution in Paterson operates under the random schedule of reinforcement. I find myself making many trips down those streets staring mostly at the pathetic painted faces of drug addicted waifs giving me the glad eye. The only thing sadder then the sight of a scrawny little addict, ancient before her time, striking a pose in the hopes of luring my attention is the fact that I sometimes look and think - maybe. But every once in an unpredictable while a relative beauty appears, and thats why I am drawn back over and over. Last night at nine, after a series of Weiss Beers at a German bar, I tried out my usual circuit but added Cianci Street, an area I thought was dead (although its near where many of the bars mentioned in another thread are). There on the fence across from the Italian Social clubs by the parking lot, a block from the Lou Costelo statue was an under 30 slim blond. Passing I looked and she gave me the eyebrow raised stare. Around the block and a double check for LE, coast clear - in she hops. $20 for uncovered BJ, $5 extra to swallow. $70 for FS at a hotel. Opted for the latter and chatted with her as we went to a short stay on 46. Like all of my encounters, I never remember the name because its a slim chance she will have any way of being contacted other then dumb luck. She was clean, sweet, and very accomodating - almost docile - although a little too thin. Now I have to include Cianci on my daily circuit. I'm telling you, down town Paterson has everything!
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[rockit]

BBBJ with an option for BBBJTC from a Paterson street girl, hmmm. You must be one hell of a thrill seeker - Paterson is a total cesspool.

[Troutman]

Reminds me of the old joke, How is screwing a street walker like bungee jumping?

In either case, if the rubber breaks, you're dead...

Be careful out there.

[Edited by Troutman on 09-08-2001 at 02:28 PM]

[twice]

Interesting....How exactly is the street girl, who gives , say 6 or 8 BBBJ's before scoring her crack, a different risk from the $$$ indie or house girl who does the same. Getting a STD from a BJ is quite remote to begin with, but is the difference only in our perception?

Better yet, is the pro street girl who gives a covered BJ higher or lower on "the scale" than the $350 indie who goes BBBJ, rims, then kisses the next guy DFK. hmmm.

[nj_buck]

Being the total germaphobe that I am, as well as having a significant other to worry about, I have researched this to the fullest extent of my capacity.

In truth, the risk of a man getting HIV/AIDS from receptive oral sex is very remote, from what I have read. However, there are MANY, and I mean MANY other STDs (over 70 if I remember correctly) that can transmit that way very easily. Amoung the top offenders are herpes, syphilis, and other nasty bugs that you wont even know about until you realize that you are sterile.

I am certainly not one to judge anyones activities, talk about the pot and the kettle, but I do want let you know there IS risk. If you play with fire, you will get burned, and BBBJ is far from safe.

Personally, I stick to safe variations on HR, including the titty 'F'. But like I said.. I am a germaphobe.

Also, please don't shoot the messenger 8P

Good luck out there,
Phil

[Wowie69]

I was cruising in Paterson last night, and I have to agree with Lurkey - most of the girls you see are rather pathetic.
On Van Houten I kept seeing a very fat blonde who kept striking a pose. After I cruised by her the fourth or fifth time, I noticed that she was getting pissed that I wasn't interested. I also saw quite a few crack-head black girls that I would not touch even if they were free.
I was about to call it a night, but as I turned on Carrol Street I saw 2 black chicks on the other side of the street. One was rather heavy and was waving at the cars, but her friend looked real good - I would guess early 20s, nice looking bod, and a real cute face. She had on jeans and a tight top that showed the cleavage of some pretty nice looking titties. She was wearing one of those little plastic back-packs, so I wasn't even sure if she was a working girl. I thought she might just be a friend of the other girl.
So, I circled the block and came back to a red light at the corner of Van Houten and Carroll. The two girls were now on the corner and the fat girl went chasing after a car that had been in front of me that had turned right onto Carroll. That left me looking out at the cutie, but she did not give me any indication that she was working. I thought I had struck out again, but I pointed to Carroll and made the right. She came up and hopped in. Wow, she was working after all! And what a cute face! And those titties looked delicious!
And then I noticed her hands.... uh oh... they were too big...
"Are you a guy?", I asked.
"Yes."
"Sorry, I can't do this."
I quickly pulled over and she(he) got out.
I cruised around a bit more, but never did find anything worthwhile, so I called it a night and went home.

On other nights, I have had some luck - it's just a matter of persevering till something good shows up. I think the best ones are the ones who are not drug addicts, rather they just need money for rent (or whatever) and only go on the street once in a while. I have met a couple of nice ones that were actually intelligent and interesting persons. I have gotten some phone numbers from those girls, but have not followed up yet.

[Bill Furniture]

Are you a guy? damn! LOLOL

[Wowie69]

I guess I could have asked the question in a different manner.

How's about a Regis thing...

"Okay Babe, this question is worth $20 and the privilege of giving me a BJ. Tell me, what do you have between your legs?"

Is it

A) Pussy B) Purse
C) Cell phone D) Dick

"Remember, you still have your lifelines.... what's that... you want the 50/50....

Okay, let's take away 2 of the choices..."

Is it
B) Purse D) Dick

She looks down and notices her purse on her lap....

"I want to make a call" she exclaims.

"Okay, who do you want to call?"

"I want to call my pimp."

"Hello, Mr. Pimp, this is Regis and I am here with your ho. She is playing for a $20 blow job."

"Well, she better get it right and get her ass back to me real fast cuz I need a fix right now!"

"I will let her ask the question. You have 15 seconds."

"He wants to know what I have between my legs... Is it my purse or a limp dick?"

"Hey bitch, just take a look. How the fuck should I know what he wants? You sure he ain't after your asshole? Whatever,just blow the guy... and get back here with my money!!!"

"Well, times up! What is your answer?"

"Well, Regis", she says, " I am going to say I have my purse between my legs."

"Final answer?"

"Yes, final answer."

"Ohhhhhh, I'm sorry, you have a dick between your legs. That means you won't get the $20 blow job, but we really enjoyed meeting you. Good luck."

[Phantom]

For those of you who are into the Paterson street scene I have a bit of info that you might be interested in. Last couple of weeks there has been this pretty good looking light skinned Afro-American hanging on the same corner. I've seen her on this same corner for several weeks now during the late morning hours, 9 to 11am. She wears these revealing and skimpy outfits, while that alone doesn't mean anything, she also poses as if to show if what she's got. She also makes eye contact as you pass.

My best guesstimate is that she? is in her early 20's, maybe 5'6", slender, slim build, not skinny, 34C-24-34, shoulder length dark curly hair.

I have not done anything in regards to picking her up because I was at work when I passed and I have absolutely no experience when it comes to the street scene. Don't want to get busted and have my care seized.

If any of you are interested please post here and I will give you her location. I will only give her location to those UG members whose screen names I'm fimilar with.

[nj_buck]

I would like to cruise by and take a peek at this girl.. I like to look but rarely stop..

Call it window shopping.

philmccrackan@hotmail.com

Thanks

[Wowie69]

Phantom, please email me the info about that girl. I would like to check her out. Thanks!

Wowie69

[Wowie69]

I was amused by an article in last week's Bergen Record. The article describes a pimp working some of the girls on Van Houten. The pimp was busted and they arrested 13 of his girls. Here's the funny part - they estimate each girl would bring in $500 - $1500 per night for the pimp. Let's take the median - $1000 and use that for our math lesson. Now, you have to bear in mind that most of the girls on Van Houten are real bad druggies. A typical blow job is $20 and FS is $60. (I have been quoted as low as $40 for FS and that was without even trying to negotiate a better price. I am sure BJs can be had for less than $20.) But let's presume $20 and $60 for this discussion. In order to do $1000 in an evening, a girl would have to do 50 BJs or 17 FS sessions, or some combination of both activities.

Now let's figure out the time. I would conservatively estimate that each BJ would take at least 15 minutes. (Hell, I have driven around for 15 minutes with a girl just looking for a deserted, safe spot, not even counting the time for the act itself.) So, 50 BJs @ 15 minutes would take 12.5 hours non-stop. I would estimate a FS service session would take at least a half hour, presuming you are going to a motel, etc. That would work out to 8.5 hours non-stop back-to-back sessions.

I think the reality is that most street girls are lucky (happy?!) to be able to make $100 - $150 a day. They are just trying to feed their drug habit. If you have ever driven on Van Houten, you will see that the girls are not being picked up continuously - rather there are long periods of time between customers.

For those who would like to read the original article, here's the link:

http://www.bergenrecord.com/paterson/pimpaa200109117.htm



And in case anyone was wondering... Yes, this has been a Public Service Math Lesson.

Wowie69

[Thorn]

So they got "Prince" finally.

Good.

I feel sorry for most street girls, considering them victims in their own right [with the exception of those who vic their clients].

Pimps on the other hand, I would just as soon bitch slap one [and have, multiple times] as look at them.

I never did care much for parasites [those who live on the blood of their hosts].

[Kimmie]

Am I the only provider here who is alarmed that gentlemen we might meet from here are actually seeing street hookers who practice unsafe activities?

It says alot about you if paying only 20 dollars for a bbbj is appealing. Yes you save money but is your life worth only 20 dollars?

Ever hear the saying.. you get what you pay for?

[petitenyspice]

Good morning

Hi Kimmie and everyone.

I should hope not but you never know. Although we do a thorough screening process to ensure the highest caliber of gentleman we may encounter, it's a sad state to think that grown men would practice this activity.

Not only is it deadly but it's also contributing to the abuse of women by their pimps and society.

I'm also curious to understand why men would choose to practice this behavior.

[mij317]

Although its not a habit and I think most guys enjoy here enjoy treating themselves to a mini vacation and seeing a provider, be it at a house or incall / outcall, there is something to be said for

Impulse Buying

[maryjane]

Originally posted by petitenyspice
Good morning

Hi Kimmie and everyone.

I should hope not but you never know. Although we do a thorough screening process to ensure the highest caliber of gentleman we may encounter, it's a sad state to think that grown men would practice this activity.

Not only is it deadly but it's also contributing to the abuse of women by their pimps and society.

I'm also curious to understand why men would choose to practice this behavior.


As I was reading this I thought the same thing and got sick to my stomach that I may have met one of these guys but you and Kimmie said it all already!

MJ

[bigmonkey70]

I think everyone has their own thinking about this.
But those who do take on street action, pose a danger to all of you beautiful ladies and all of us as well. And i have to agree with Kimmie, a $20 definitely not worth it.
I am a guy and would never play with fire. I rather have fun less often than die early

[April]

I hate to see girls out on the street. They're money not being they're money, they're bodies not being theirs, the CHOICE not being theirs. Ok I know someone is thinking hey these girls made they're bed......... The truth of the matter is these girls are living in a nightmare and for the most part they don't know a better way or even that there is a way out. They are literally held hostage by they're drug habit as well as the pimp. Not all service providers start this biz working for a posh NYC agency or even a "borough" agency. Many years ago when I first got my introduction into this biz, it was through a pimp. I was 17 years old a runaway. I was quickly introduced to drugs manipulated promised so many things, he knew all the right things to say to a 17 year old runaway who knew no one and had no one. I thank God that very quickly I realized that I was being used and that that was not what I wanted with my life. Excape for these girls is another problem. I was literally put on what the pimps call "pimp arrest" meaning if another pimp saw me after the word was put out that I had left, I was free game. Not to mention there was a reward for returning me. I was very lucky, having a good head on my shoulders and the guts to flee is what got me away from there.
When a girl comes to me for the first time usually after the first 3 minutes of the interview I can gage where they have been and where they are going. Believe me when I tell you if these girls had they're way they would not be out there charging $20, most of them wouldn't be out there period.
That was a long time ago for me, I was one of the lucky ones. I could sit and tell horror stories all day of the things that I saw and heard. It's a small part of my past that I prefer to forget, but sometimes its good remember. It helps keep things in perspective and it also allows me to see how fortunate I was and am.
April =P

[Phantom]

But I guess it's OK for a woman to "manage and promote" other women in the business? And in the process take some of their money.

[Wowie69]

Kimmie and petitenyspice,

Perhaps you two should consider the entire scale of things. You are upset with guys who use streetwalkers.
Well, most of our society would consider you two to be 'dangerous' as well. After all, you two:

1) Will have sex with a stranger for money.
2) Are possibly spreading STDs. (Tell me you have never given a BBBJ or have never DFK..... right?)
3) Are contributing to the moral decline of our society with your actions.
4) And so on...

I am playing the role of devil's advocate, but I hope you understand the point I am making - the very things you are upset about could also be said about you.

Perhaps we need some snooty $20,000 per night high class provider to come on the board and say:

"Am I the only provider here who is alarmed that gentlemen we might meet from here are actually seeing $300 per hour hookers who give BBBJs?"


Wowie69

[woodman]

Phantom.. good response not all that different except the agency is getting more of your money than the street pimp..

Wowie69.. I like your thinking dude..what we dont realize is that many providers have come from situations as April has told us. As sad as it is, it is reality and most providers just don't admit it..they just forget where they came from and figured out how to get 300 instead of 60

[Kimmie]

Wowie..

you obviously dont know me .. I do NOT give BBBJ and got into alot of debates on big doggie over it.
I love my life, I have kids to live for. No amount of money in the world could make me do a bbbj or perform unprotected intercourse.
The difference between street hookers and an escort is that escorts dont meet just anyone. We screen our clients. We do not just jump in the back seat of a car and give a bj so we can buy some crack. I dont do drugs. I dont even smoke.

So please do not assume I give bbbj. Do some reasearch on me.. You will see I am VERY pro condoms on EVERTHING..

[Kimmie]

In defense of April..

If you have not figured out the difference between a street pimp and a lady such as April.....
Street pimps dont provide a safe, clean environment for their ladies. They do not screen the gentlemen the ladies meet. A street pimp would put his own sister on the street to make a buck.. They are lazy, greedy, heartless bastards who care only about getting paid.

This post, and the gentlemen who responded to it stating they have or will see a street hooker, is the reason why I only do CBJ's.. Maybe there is a low risk for aids through oral, but I wont take getting a STD as consolation prize..

[hot4chicks]

With all due respect for the chicks here, I'd suggest that hookers who 'screen' their clients afford no greater amount of health protection than street hookers. They may provide the illusion of safety, but there remain many airborne diseases which can be contracted and passed on. For example, a senior level exec from a Fortune 100 company who travels and sees hookers is most likely a great client and would pass all your 'screening' tests. He has money and a good job. But if hes banging some whore in NY, hes probably banging whores in third world countries under unknown conditions or diseases. You just dont know what he did elsewhere.

This exec poses a bigger health concern because if a hooker passed on some airborne disease, not to mention diseases which are passed around due to some swapping of body fluids, eg a goodbye kiss, the next guy who gets sick will not think that the 'safe' hooker he saw last week, got him sick.

The point is, you dont know who did what with whom, and when you're swapping body fluids or breathing the same air in close proximity to a sick person, your chances of catching it are high too.

[DandyDon]

I've been reading this thread since it began because a long time ago I was cruising those same streets. As I said, that was a long time ago and now I realize just what chances I was taking each and ever time I participated. Now that i'm older, I realize the many saftey factors that ladies like Kimmie, MJ and April provide for us. Cost should not be a factor when it comes to saftey--both yours and the provider's. I have agreed with everything these three have stated so far. I think I would like to get in touch with them the next time I want to have a nice, safe time!!

[April]

As far as Phantom's "good response" goes.first of all you are WRONG if you think an agency gets more money than a pimp or even the girl who is doing the call. The pimp get %100, also the right to knock around the girl, take her when ever he wants how ever he wants. Tells her when to eat when to sleep and when to fuck, not to mention how much drugs she is allowed to do. What gives an agency, a woman as you referred to before the right to get an agency fee? Well speaking for myself which is all I ever speak for, it has a little something to do with the 5-7 K I take out of my pocket every month to market advertise anmd promote these girls. I never ask a girl to do or go somewhere I myself would not or have not done or gone in that case. I supply the driver and he gets paid a fee with the difference being split between the girl and the agency. So Phantom let me get this straight .......you see no difference between a pimp and an agency? This is my last response in this thread to this matter. I find it highly insulting that someone who doesn't know me or has ever even dealt with a girl that works with me, would with sarcasm try to insinuiate that I'm a pimp.

[Phantom]

pimp, noun, a person who is an agent for a prostitute or prostitutes and lives off their earnings, a procurer.

Sure sounds like something you do April.

You claim to spend between $5,000 and $7,000 per month to manage, advertise and promote these girls. So tell me April, how does that much money get into your pocket in the first place? Are you independently wealthly and do it out of the goodness of your heart? Or do you expect to receive in return a dollar amount greater then what you spend to "manage, advertise and promote" your girls?

A pimp is a pimp is a pimp. No matter what sex they happen to be. Anybody who takes money from a girl who puts herself out on the line to earn money by being a prostitute is scum in my book.

You talk about screening your clients. I've used agencies in the past, which were run by woman, whose only screening was to know the name of the hotel, the room number and the time the client wanted the girl there.

Next you'll claim that the girls you spend between $5,000 and $7,000 per month to "manage, advertise and promote" are not prostitutes.

What a FH!

[maryjane]

It took a lot of heart for you to post that story about yourself................hopefully it will open at least ONE person's eyes to the difference, hopefully......

MaryJane

[littleguy]

Phantom,

You're getting awfully cranky in your old age despite your dictionary definitions. What'd SHE ever do to you. It was your Indy friend Janelle that REALLY fucked you over. What'd April do to you ?

April,

Fuck him. Forget about it. Good for you. You are a businessperson regardless of what the esteemed Phantom thinks. Despite his dictionary definition there is a WORLD of difference and I don't know what's made him so cranky.

Back on point. I don't know about an exec frequenting cheap street girls in 3rd World countries if he's seeing a higher priced lady at home, but, if nothing else the geometrical probabilities associated with the volume of men a lady see would make the odds MUCH better of not contracting anything the higher a lady is priced.

$20 street girls do large volume and, IMO, are less cautious and less likely to take precaustions. If nothing else, incall, $150 and up per hour ladies have much lower volume and take at the very least some precautions.

The street girl may do a street guy drug-laced bum for $20. That same bum wouldn't get into an incall.

The street girl would do a nice clean but maybe a bit maloderous guy for $20. The incall girl, sensing an odor she didn't exactly like or a condition she didn't think especially clean would probably not kiss (where she might have before) and probably do a CBJ where before she might do BBBJ if the guy were especially clean.

These examples in themselves reduce the probability immensely when going to an incall vs. the $20 street girl.

Basically you toss the dice and you takes your chances but knowing some math helps.

[Phantom]

Littleguy,

You really want to know what made me so cranky?

How about this,

A guy, who I thought was a friend was going to put in a good word for me to a certain girl. Instead they stabbed me in the back with her.

Since you seem to know why my thoughts on April are so out of whack, maybe you can explain to me why this guy did this to me.

C'mon Littleguy, take a whack at it.

[Edited by Phantom on 10-05-2001 at 09:05 PM]

[jras]

Phantom, the master of tact ...
No pussy for you! (in my best soup Nazi voice)

jras

[Slinky Bender]

LG,
There's only one issue I would take with your logic:

It's the acts, not the people. I don't know a lot about Patterson, but over the last 20 years in NYC there were a large percentage of street girls who would not do BB anything. To a large extent ( a very large extent ) engaging in the act of a CBJ with one of them would be relatively "safer" than engaging in the act of BBBJ with a "house girl" who engaged in that activity with 1/2 dozen guys a day.

And, BTW, I'd bet that there are plenty of street girls in Patterson who see less customers a day than some of the busier "house" ladies.

[petitenyspice]

Hi Everyone,

In response to Wowie69, how dare you speak about me in such a manner. You have alot of nerve, especially since you don't even know me nor what I do.

First of all, I do not have sex with strangers, maybe that is what you do.

I'm a true escort, not a call girl or a prostitute. Before you cast stones from your high horse, go buy a dictionary and look up the word escort.

If you have issues with women, that's not our problem, introspection is a very valued commidity, I suggest you utilize it. And only the weak don't seek therapy.

As for the decline in morality, you are very wrong there too. I have very high moral standards by which I adhere on a daily basis.

On a lighter note, hi to kimmie and maryjane, I hope you're both doing well.

April, I wanted to thank you for sharing with us the obstacles you have overcome and I'm very happy you're doing well.

[Thorn]

You know, I was about to go into a very polite dialog about rose colored glasses and how people lie to themselves in order to deal with compromises they have made in their lives.

And then, I didn't.

[Why? Because what would the use have been.]

[JohnJ]

April.... still a class act in my humble opinion.


When people who have worked in prostitution call it repeated rape, they are not exaggerating or being "hysterical." They are being legally precise. Rape is sexual intercourse, against the will of the victim, carried out by threat or force.

In prostitution, the john performs the sex act with the unwilling victim, but subcontracts the intimidation and violence to another man, the pimp.

The john would like to believe he is paying for sex, but the person he has sex with gets little or none of the money. The money goes to the pimp to pay for the force needed to keep prostituted women and children working. It goes to the drug dealer who provides whatever it takes to keep the workers from becoming psychotic or committing suicide. It goes to pay the businessmen who provide the real estate, support services, and legal protection for the trade.


Draw your own conclusions.........

John J

[JohnJ]

New York State Penal codes also seem to see a difference between a "pimp" and someone who runs a business.


New York State Consolidated Laws
-Penal


S 230.25
Promoting prostitution in the third degree.
A person is guilty of promoting prostitution in the third degree when he
knowingly:
1. Advances or profits from prostitution by managing, supervising,
controlling or owning, either alone or in association with others, a house
of prostitution or a prostitution business or enterprise involving
prostitution activity by two or more prostitutes; or
2. Advances or profits from prostitution of a person less than nineteen
years old.
Promoting prostitution in the third degree is a class D felony.



S 230.30
Promoting prostitution in the second degree.
A person is guilty of promoting prostitution in the second degree when he
knowingly:
1. Advances prostitution by compelling a person by force or intimidation
to engage in prostitution, or profits from such coercive conduct by
another; or
2. Advances or profits from prostitution of a person less than sixteen
years old.
Promoting prostitution in the second degree is a class C felony.

[woodman]

"First of all, I do not have sex with strangers, maybe that is what you do.
I'm a true escort, not a call girl or a prostitute."

Sure glad that came out in the open. Would hate to pay 250 and hour just to be teased. You can get that kink of service in a juice bar, difference being you know walking in you not gonna get what you thought you paid for.
Thumbs up for UG and other boards like it where hobbyists can find out which girls are the "real deal" and which just want to tease and grab our cash.

[skagen]

Littleguy, I'd be careful about making correlations between price and safety. Obviously a drug-addicted girl make bad decisions in order to get cash, but typically needle usage is equally reponsible for spead of AIDS and hepatitis.

Plus as you go to higher price points, BBBJ is pretty much standard. And from what some people have told me, at very high price levels BBFS is completely common. It make sense: how do you keep a client coming back to you when the novelty wears off? So a "high price exec" is quite possibly engaging in unsafe behavior, same as a "bum" that might patronise a street girl.

In that sense, Hot4chicks is right. "Screening" of clients is pretty superficial and really says nothing about whether a client is safe or not, healthwise or even in terms of violence. Its more of a way of trying to focus on clients that you think have money to spend on the girls.

Which gets us back to Phantom's point: its all about generating cash from the girls....

[maryjane]

Originally posted by Elmo
"First of all, I do not have sex with strangers, maybe that is what you do.
I'm a true escort, not a call girl or a prostitute."

Sure glad that came out in the open. Would hate to pay 250 and hour just to be teased. You can get that kink of service in a juice bar, difference being you know walking in you not gonna get what you thought you paid for.
Thumbs up for UG and other boards like it where hobbyists can find out which girls are the "real deal" and which just want to tease and grab our cash.

Umm, Elmo, all escorts are usually paid, LOL-Petite provides a level of service that is probably above and beyond what you usually get.

Do you guys have nothing better to do then flame REAL providers-it seems you prefer the Big Mac to dining at Tavern on the Green, from what I can tell. That you would choose a crack addicted probably STD harboring streetwalker as opposed to an OBVIOUSLY educated and beautiful (I know this about Spice PERSONALLY) provider of service. You spend a lot of time on here blabbing about BBBJ CBJ and the like and it just seems that you could really care less if the girl has a brain cell left in her head from too many hits on the pipe. Providers on this board have BRAINS-especially Kimmie and Spice-as well as beauty inside and out.

Now it comes down to-would you rather spend time with a smart and beautiful provider who can stimulate you inside and out or would you rather give your cash to a crackhead that will probably get a $5 hit out of the whole deal? The choice of calibur is yours.

But your sad continuation of the day to day events on the streets of Paterson lead me to believe that nothing will change. C'est la vie.

MaryJane

[Phantom]

Maryjane,

I'm afraid you've made a generalization when you state that the guys who posted in this thread are more interested in streetwalkers then about higher priced escorts.

I, for one, have never used a streetwalker. Why? I need my car and don't want or need to get it seized.

Would it surprise you if I told you that during the course of my hobbying I've looked for the girls that were intelligent. In my book an intelligent woman equals an incedibly sexy woman.

I've seen a woman who created and runs her own website.

I've seen a woman who attended the Air Force Academy.

I've seen a woman who was first a nurse, then a lawyer and then became an escort.

The longer I saw these women the less sex there was. I just enjoyed the hell out of just hanging with them.

I've been a regular of all these women, but

there are physical things that I like done in certain ways. So I search out the women who do these things exceptionally well. Ae you going to hold that against me because I seach out what I enjoy the most?

And you'd be shocked if I told you the activities these high priced ($2,000+/24 hours) escorts will indulge in when you become a regular doing extended type dates.

[Edited by Phantom on 10-06-2001 at 08:10 PM]

[Bill Furniture]

Originally posted by Phantom
[And you'd be shocked if I told you the activities these high priced ($2,000+/24 hours) escorts will indulge in when you become a regular doing extended type dates.

[Edited by Phantom on 10-06-2001 at 08:10 PM] [/B]

So, are ya gonna tell us? :p

[zach]

Originally posted by Bill Furniture
Originally posted by Phantom
[And you'd be shocked if I told you the activities these high priced ($2,000+/24 hours) escorts will indulge in when you become a regular doing extended type dates.

[Edited by Phantom on 10-06-2001 at 08:10 PM]

So, are ya gonna tell us? :p

[/B]

BBFS............

[woodman]

Phantom..you are on the money with many of the higher priced escorts. I've gotten basically anything I ever wanted and any way I wanted with more than one.
I've actually looked back on many of these and realized that I have put myself more at risk with high priced escorts than the least expensive.
I also have a freind whom contracted Hep C and he never frequented street girls. Actually I used to bust on him for spending so much for providers.

[maryjane]

In this activity with ANYONE? I don't care if the price is 20 or 2000 this is a practice that is just plain stupid! If you are with a provider that would even offer this as a service even at an outrageous price my advice would be to RUN, RUN, RUN! Don't you wanna see your grandkids grow up a bit? Damn, I know I do.

A little bit off the topic here for a sec-Some website called Sophies or Outpost or ************** (I lost the link and forgot which one it actually goes by)or something like that got a hold of my information and posted it on their website without my consent. I know it must have been recently posted there because I have been swamped with email asking for appointments referencing that site. I went into the site and tried to delete it but it will not let me. If you see an ad there under my name for NJ please disregard it-all ads and sites for myself should have been down some time ago. If anyone knows anything about this website please let me know, I am pretty miffed that someone would just use my info without asking.

Anyway, Elmo, I understand that there is also a call for looks, I wouldn't question that for a second. Most people I met while I was in the biz pretty much were interested in the fact that I was blonde and fairly petite, LOL, not how educated I was or how well read I was. Looks are what generally attracts us to one another in the first place before we get to know the complete package. I am glad to know that you look for the extra qualities as well when you seek the company of a SP.

I know morality can be a touchy issue when the subject matter is something such as this but I have seen some of these women that lurk on the streets and i find it very frightening that the people who are educated enough to own computers and for the most part write fairly comprehensively on these boards would indulge in a practice such as picking up street walkers and aiding in their drug habit and basically just risking their lives. Not to mention just ASKING for a run in with LE.

Thats my HO.

MJ

[buddyyy]

But it seems that at its essence, the basic issue is the same as what is at the core of many of the threads that involve a frank exchange of views between professionals and their clients.

And while it may seem to be the case, I do not think that what people are trying to get at in these discussions is unique to relationships between professionals and clients.

Certainly the ability to engage in risky behavior is not unique to human sexual interaction that includes an element of explicit financial compensation.

Everyone who engages in sex accepts a certain amounts of risk. Those who engage in more sex with more partners accept a greater amount of risk. The same is true of skydiving. And there are certain types of skydiving that involve more risk than others (BB skydiving <gg>). But the issue is not really risk. Because what results from the exposure to risk is as much, if not more, dependant on the extent to which the risk is recognized and managed., as it is to the amount of risk itself.

I think that the distinction which needs to be drawn is not about the amount of risk, whether fees are being paid, or the amount of those fees, but to the extent that the "transactions" are between people who are informed, are in a situation where they can in fact make a choice concerning their action, and perhaps of greatest importance, are between people who have respect both for themselves and their partners.

Any interaction with another person when these elements are not present is going to have a high likelihood of resulting in pain or suffering for both of the people. The ability for a John to have a mutually destructiive relationship with a drug addict exists. But that relationship by no means has a monoply on the ability to be destructive. A power hungry executive married to an insecure wife, a greedy boss and a desperate employee, and many others have the ability to be quite destructive to name just a few of the more easily recognized examples.

Words like morality and ethics, like judgments, are easy to throw around. But the more I think about it, it seems that almost everything that our society tells us, and shows us, about morality and ethics is very confused.

To me any interaction with another human being that does not involve an acknowledgement by each party of the fundamental humanity of the other, and the respect which that humanity deserves, is inappropriate. And when that acknowledgement and respect are present the potential for an undesirable result of any type, be it disease, pain, hurt, is always significantly reduced.

[Wowie69]

Kimmie,

You steered this thread into a new area when you wrote:
"Am I the only provider here who is alarmed that gentlemen we might meet from here are actually seeing street hookers who practice unsafe activities?"

That is why I wrote:

Perhaps we need some snooty $20,000 per night high class provider to come on the board and say: "Am I the only provider here who is alarmed that gentlemen we might meet from here are actually seeing $300 per hour hookers who give BBBJs?"

That is what I meant by A MATTER OF SCALE.

Perhaps you should be complaining about Julie's. Almost all her girls give BBBJs.

Perhaps you should be complaining about Cute Little Pussy Cats. I believe I read reviews here that indicate some of April's girls give BBBJs.

I presume you think that the odds are greater of catching an STD from a street girl, but you fail to acknowledge the dangers that are possible from all the other providers. (And yes, I fully respect your decision to always use a condom for all activities. I would not want to see you because I enjoy BBBJs, but whenever I encounter a new provider who insists on CBJ, then I ALWAYS respect the provider's wishes. However, unless she is very special for some other reason, it is unlikely that I would see that provider again. However, I realize that there are many guys who prefer CBJs, and for them you are probably a fine provider.)

I have been hobbying for almost 30 years, and I have seen every type of girl from street to Asian massage parlors, from agency outcall to brothels like Julies, and MOST providers do deliver a BBBJ. I get myself tested regularly and I have never caught anything, so I feel comfortable knowing that I am not transmitting any danger to girls that provide me with BBBJs.


petitenyspice,

You are quite the enigma.

First you are correct that I don't know you, but I DO KNOW that either:
you do not read carefully
or
you do not understand what it means when someone says that they are playing "devil's advocate".
I was attempting to enlighten you, not trash you - but you took it as a personal attack.

However, I am totally confused by your statement that you do not have sex with strangers. Perhaps you are only seeing your old high school classmates or your neighbors to fund your business? Or do you only see referrals from other providers?

You said I should look up the word escort in the dictionary, but the word escort (in this business and as far as the members of this board are concerned), means YES, you are having sex with strangers. Now, perhaps you justify it in your mind that you will meet a customer, get to know him a bit (10-15 minutes maybe), decide he is a nice guy, and then have sex? And since you got to know him, he is not a stanger? Is that your approach? Otherwise, please explain it to me in plain English what you offer in a session.

As to contributing to the decline in moral standards, I was merely trying to point out the SCALE of perception. I DO BELIEVE YOU when you say you have high moral standards. However, don't you realize that most church groups will NOT agree with you (no matter how good a person you are) if you are involved in prostitution? Don't you see that most of society will condemn you for your actions? (Again, no matter how good a person you are!)

April,

I believe the problem with Phantom's attack on you is also a matter of SCALE.

Perhaps, we should just call you a madam. The word pimp does connotate a mean ,harsh, selfish relationship that mainly profits the pimp. The word madam, though still a procurer of sexual services, has a far softer, kinder meaning and I think that is more appropriate for you (and madams like Julie). As madam, you obviously deserve to profit from your business. Obviously, you are not forcing your girls to do anything they do not want to do, nor are you taking unfair advantage of them.

I also feel that you deserve great praise for being able to rise above the street scene and make something worthwhile of your life.

maryjane,

You wrote:

"...it seems you prefer the Big Mac to dining at Tavern on the Green...would you rather spend time with a smart and beautiful provider who can stimulate you inside and out or would you rather give your cash to a crackhead that will probably get a $5 hit out of the whole deal?"

Perhaps you feel that all street girls are not human beings? Last Friday night I picked up a street girl (that I have seen before). She does not have a pimp. She is attractive enough to be working in any house in NYC. She is smart enough to talk about anything that I can throw at her. Her only real problem is that she has a habit and it forces her into the street once in awhile. She spent from last Friday evening, 8PM, to Sunday evening, 9PM, with me at my place for $100. That works out to $50 per day. We had a great time. I cooked for her, we watched movies, we cuddled, and we slept in each other's arms. I felt so affectionate towards her that I did not even want to have a BJ (or any kind of sex with her), and so we abstained. We also talked about getting her into a program to help her clean herself up. (I am going to encourage and help her in any way I can, but I realize how difficult it can be to beat a habit.)

So please, don't condemn all the street girls. Just take a look at April's story.


Wowie69

[Kimmie]

BBFS..

I am sure when that was posted many gentlemen got a rise out of the idea of a provider doing this. Maybe even thought of finding one who does..

Gentlemen..Think with your BIG head..

I personally do not care what you do with your lives. And it seems you obviously dont care either, if in anyway, anyone would be even a little bit exicted about this sort of service.

Stop being selfish for one moment and think about your wife, girlfriend, kids, future grandkids. Who could lose their life, or get something they didnt ask for... and for what? 2 Seconds of extasy?

You CAN have fun and enjoy a provider without having anything BB. If you want BB do it with your significant other.. This is a hobby for many of you. Enjoy it safely.

wowie..I would not want to see a client who wanted BBBJ and would never want one who didnt respect my wish.
I have had gentlemen beg, offer more $$$ and even offer to "retain me" if I did one.. I suppose its the tongue ring that provokes this..However, I wont do it.

The risk of Aids is lower from oral, but I had a nurse tell me she has seen many street girls come to her with their mouths invested with every disease imaginable. Sores, pus, tongue with sores.. Now picture that mouth wrapped around you..

MJ miss you..lets do lunch ASAP..







[Edited by Kimmie on 10-07-2001 at 12:25 PM]

[Casper]

I'll abstain from passing judgement on anything previously written in this thread from anyone.

Wowie69:
The only thing I will say, is BRAVO my man for the approach you've taken with your street friend. I for one hope she finds the help and strength she needs to kick her habit.

Drug addiction or a reckless livestyle usually indicate deep seated problems from one's past. But problems can be overcome with a good support system and many hours of therapy (if the person truly wants it).


April:
I am so glad you had the strenght and courage to break free from your past situation and for providing your women with a safe environment in which they can earn money, work because it's their choice and not get their self esteem bashed in by some sleezy pimp. Do what you feel is right in your heart and leave the nay-sayers (sp?) to their own devices. I have never visited April's so I have no biases other than her story moved me.

Let he who has no sins cast the first stone.

Peace Out
C



[Edited by Casper on 10-07-2001 at 12:27 PM]

[Thorn]

Not naming any names, for there are a few. They are both men and women, on either side of the fence in this discussion.

I offer this sole piece of advice, with which you can do as you please.

To thy own self be true.

I have done what I have done, seen what I have seen. Whether you believe me or not I don't particularly care other then to say it helps make my point if you understand I am telling the truth. Still, if you don't believe, the logic of the statement above stands on its own merit.

I know what I know, and what I am hearing from multiple sources here doesn't jive with what I know to be actual behavior as practiced in the trade.

So, lie to each other if that is what you care to do. However, a lie told to one's self is never a healthy thing.

If you can't be honest with the other members of this forum in public, I at least hope you aren't lying to yourselves in private.

And so it goes...

[Edited by Thorn on 10-07-2001 at 02:15 PM]

[maryjane]

Originally posted by Wowie69



maryjane,

You wrote:

"...it seems you prefer the Big Mac to dining at Tavern on the Green...would you rather spend time with a smart and beautiful provider who can stimulate you inside and out or would you rather give your cash to a crackhead that will probably get a $5 hit out of the whole deal?"

Perhaps you feel that all street girls are not human beings? Last Friday night I picked up a street girl (that I have seen before). She does not have a pimp. She is attractive enough to be working in any house in NYC. She is smart enough to talk about anything that I can throw at her. Her only real problem is that she has a habit and it forces her into the street once in awhile. She spent from last Friday evening, 8PM, to Sunday evening, 9PM, with me at my place for $100. That works out to $50 per day. We had a great time. I cooked for her, we watched movies, we cuddled, and we slept in each other's arms. I felt so affectionate towards her that I did not even want to have a BJ (or any kind of sex with her), and so we abstained. We also talked about getting her into a program to help her clean herself up. (I am going to encourage and help her in any way I can, but I realize how difficult it can be to beat a habit.)

So please, don't condemn all the street girls. Just take a look at April's story.


Wowie69


I think if you cared for this girl like you say you do, the best thing you could have done was drop her off at the nearest rehab, not back on the street. If she is working for 50 dollars a day, there is something very wrong-you wrote her only problem is a habit-well that is a BIG problem. When you have an SP that has a habit or uses needles don't you think that your likelyhood of contracting disease jumps by about a million percent??? There are always risks, even if you use 10 condoms, of this I am aware, but I DO believe the risks are much stronger with a drug addicted streetwalker.

MJ

[jras]

MJ

no one would dispute your last point re: drugs, sex and disease -- but compassion is oddly missing from your remarks on this subject. How come?

jras

[littleguy]

skagen (and Slink),

Those statistical assumptions on my part were certainly the most general of guidelines and JUST MO.

I do not know the statistics and I believe it would be virtually impossible to get accurate ones anyway but it stands to reason that a very high priced lady, BBBJ or not, BBFS or not is only doing that once or twice a day, maybe as few as 1 or 2 days a week, since they need far fewer appointments, to "make their nut", whatever that nut is.

Street girls, on the other extreme, at $20 a pop, need far more encounters to make THEIR nut.

Whether the "nut" consists of drugs, fancy car, fancy clothes or whatever, the logic is indisputable IMO.

Street girls MUST do far more BB and potentially dangerous things than higher priced ladies ladies. It just stands to reason.

Again, this is only my opinion.

Kimmee,

Frankly, you are entitled to do anything you want of course, but LIFE is a risk. Want to take NO RISKS at all ? Stay home and bolt the doors. Don't leave the house. Don't cross the street. IF you call that living.

Everything you do every day of your life carrys some risk. You takes your chances, no matter what you do.

BTW Kimmee. Sometimes condoms break. Seems to be you're indirectly stating your limits. If you wanted to be 100% free of any chance to contract any STD, you'd simply abstain.

Phantom,

"Since you seem to know why my thoughts on April are so out of whack, maybe you can explain to me why this guy did this to me. "

First of all. I never said I KNOW why your thoughts of April are out of whack. I ONLY disagreed with them, You are normally on point and logical with your opinions. I would think the differences between "pimps" and "madams" are obvious in scale as Wowie (?) said. Jeez, Louise.

As far as this "guy" you're referring to I have sent you an e-mail.

Petite,

I'm curious too. Do you just escort gentleman to a business dinner, smile nicely, have dinner, maybe dance and then see the gentleman home and leave. No sex at all ? Cool.........

[Edited by littleguy on 10-07-2001 at 05:06 PM]

[justme]

See Val, was I *really* that bad?

Question for the crowd (to satisfy my curiosity):

If a promoter pressured their 'employees' into providing services they were uncomfortable with, coked up his/her girls in order to improve their service, and in fact witheld food from the girl so that the coke would be more effective would this be more pimpish or madame-like?

Thorn - great posts. Self delusion is indeed to be avoided? How do you feel about self-righteousness?

[Kimmie]

This is the last comment from me..

The playoffs are starting soon, so I really dont want to think about anything serious for a while and just watch my yankees win their 27th WS..But I will say this..

Littleguy..I dont have to bolt my doors and hide in my home to be safe. I can walk outside, drive my car. I can be an escort, a safe escort, and not be at risk. As I said before..I believe we can enjoy what we do without having to put our lives at risk. If you are telling me there is no such thing as safe fun..I wont hear it.
Yes condoms break.. that doesnt mean I should say.."Ok this condom MIGHT break so why bother using one." That thinking is ignorant..

Now off to enjoying my job without having to defend being a cautious provider who can please anyone without having to put my life at risk..

Kisses
LETS GO YANKEES!! ( that ones for you H) :)

[Slinky Bender]

"Street girls MUST do far more BB and potentially dangerous things than higher priced ladies ladies. It just stands to reason"

LG, that was my point: it may seem that way to some, but in fact to a large extent ( depending on factros like locations, etc. ) it's just the opposite. As has been pointed out by someone else earlier in the thread, the higher you go in $$, the higher the probability ( at least from what i have seen ) of BBFS. And while i agree tha tthe more occurances of an eventy, the higher degree of likelihood of a "succss" ( simple probabilty ), it changes when the "occurances" are not equal. What I'm trying to get accross is that if you have two women, and one gives 20 CBJ's a day, and another who gives 6 BBBJ's a day, I would wager that a CBJ from the first is substantially less risky health wise than a BBBJ from the second.

I can tell you than throughout the mid-80's to mid-90's in NYC, it was extremely difficult to get BB anything for streetwalkers ( not the total crack-heads; the middle of the road, "presentable" one's which populated huge sections of mid-town ), and was much easier to get same from vatious incall ladies. Even if it were possible to get some BB service from a few by being a "regular", the toatl amount of BB "events" in a given day by those ladies ( i.e. per lady ) was less than the same amount by many incall ladies.

[Phantom]

Hey Kimmie,

One last question, but I seriously doubt you have the balls to answer it and answer it truthfully.

You've told us that you do everything covered, both BJ and FS and I assume that you let your clients perform oral on you. When they do, do you require that they do so through some sort of protective sheet, such as latex or saran wrap?

[Edited by Phantom on 10-08-2001 at 04:21 PM]

[Phantom]

Originally posted by justme
If a promoter pressured their 'employees' into providing services they were uncomfortable with, coked up his/her girls in order to improve their service, and in fact witheld food from the girl so that the coke would be more effective would this be more pimpish or madame-like?

It's equally wrong if either man or woman, pimp or madam does this to their girls.

Justme, I'm thinking that you know a madam who does this.

[justme]

Phantom - I don't *know* anything (remember, I'm a couple thousand miles away from all of this), but from what I understand there was one providor of 'mid - high level' providors who did all three, and perhaps more than one who do the first two.

I guess my point is that price and facade don't determine the degree of nastiness going on behind the scenes. Many mid to upper level agancy and houses are associated with practices that many of us would probably find repulsive. Thorn's (as always) absolutely correct. this is a nasty business and if you're involved there is a tremendous chance (some, not me, would argue 100%) that you are contributing to and taking advantage of extremely nauseating things. To deny that and insist that it's all a perfectly normal business transaction without any adverse effects on anyone is just plain irresponsible

[ew]

justme is right. Myself, I think the internet tends to put a bit of a faux sheen on things. This is a business that revolves around one thing, money. People on both sides of the coin will do what they can to maximize (escort) and minimize (johns) the amount ofcash that moves their hands.

So if the heads of agencies need to do what you say, is it surprising? Hell most gogo dancers get drunk or high (both?) before they hit the stage to put on that big smile for us. Escorts attack other escorts either by themselves online or through proxies.

It's also about looks for the guys. There is not much compassion (well maybe there is some) for ugly crack ho's. If they are good looking then we fel sorry for them.

[Kimmie]

Phantom..

What makes you ASSUME I offer that service? I don't.

And Phantom, I may not be a man, but I have bigger balls then you..I am quite sure of that..


LETS GO YANKEES!!

[Edited by Kimmie on 10-08-2001 at 08:47 PM]

[jras]

sounds like luv ...
j

[skagen]

...that comment reminded me of another mid level incall place that I'm sure supplies....stuff to their girls. Usually that goes hand in hand with making them do what you want them to do. and this is a place that charges $200-300at their two locations. I'm not naming any names on a public board, but they've been around for a while in various locations, currently on the UES prices. Any JAG members from a while back probablyknnow of them.

its just too simplistic to say that street girls are the only ones on drugs or that incall/outcall girls are not being pimped...

[tonka]

Hey Skagen, email me with details, sounds interesting.

[Phantom]

Originally posted by Kimmie
And Phantom, I may not be a man, but I have bigger balls then you..I am quite sure of that.

Kimmie,

I had a great comeback line for you regarding your line above, but since I'm in such a great, up mood, I'm just going to let it pass unanswered.

[winds]

Originally posted by maryjane
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Wowie69
[B]


maryjane,

You wrote:

"I think if you cared for this girl like you say you do, the best thing you could have done was drop her off at the nearest rehab, not back on the street. "

MJ

This is not a bad idea. Who can do me a favor and give me the contact information of this poor girl?

[jras]

isn't it past your bedtime?

[Escort_King]

Originally posted by Kimmie
Phantom..

What makes you ASSUME I offer that service? I don't.

And Phantom, I may not be a man, but I have bigger balls then you..I am quite sure of that..



And they would be the ones resting on your chin???

Sorry Phantom I couldn't resist!

[DandyDon]

Kimmie, Although i'm relatively new this board, i've been a hobbiest for 30 years. I must say that I have agreed with just about everything you have said. I think SAFTEY, health and security wise is paramount each and every time I go out "playing" When I was in my 20's I thought, like some of the guys on this board, that BB everything was the way to go. After marriage and the start of a family, I realized that my ideas were completely wrong. I've maintained my cautious ways with each and every encounter since. So, Kimmie, keep up your attitude about this subject. You've gained a new client in me because of it.

[Escort_King]

Hope you are practicing safe sex in prison DandyDon... Kimmie's balls will really be dragging by the time you surface into the public arena again.

[maryjane]

You are an asshole. Plain and simple-an asshole-and they can ban me from the board from saying it, but its true, and I hope you get to see it first.

Your posts are just cruel flames and I am sick of you.

MaryJane

[Kimmie]

Escort King.

You truly are a sad ,pathetic man. You have never met me. You assume I am an obese provider. I am not you ignorant fool! Your comments mean nothing to me because ..well basically..I dont know you, never met you..and I do not need to resort to calling people names that I have never met. I give what I get..Phantom made a comment I responded. You need to get a grip (I have some tweezers for you) and get off my a**.. I would think from all your responses to my posts that you have a thing for me. You are like a 6 year old who pulls the hair of the girl he likes in front of him. Escort King..Do yourself a favor and do not acknowledge me. You see, I dont insult people online unless they give me reason to. Meet me Escort King.. Meet me, and say all this chit to my face. Be a man and tell me to my face what you said in this post. I DARE YOU..
You insult me because I believe in safe sex and I wont fall in love with a client and I have a body only a real man can handle.... you are so truly sad.. I will pray for you..

And on that note I am out. Yankees are on..

Kisses
LETS GO YANKEES..

[petitenyspice]

Hello Everyone.

MaryJane and Kimmie especially.

Know you see what I was talking about. The guys on this board thing we are a bunch of hookers with no intelligence whatsoever and lacking the capacity to think for ourselves.

This is why I chose not to bother to post here anymore. They have turned something which can be useful for clients as well as providers into a playground for bullies.

Grow up and get a life and remember what goes around comes around. You reap what you sow.

P.S. Thank goodness for this board, at least now we have a general idea of who the undersireable ones are.

Peace

[maryjane]

doing the circle of Paterson streets, looking for some nasty ass street hooker with a nice line of track marks, try again later Spice. Luv ya:)

MJ

[Thorn]

"These guys here", are as different from one another as the providers present. All types. All levels of education, ways of seeing the world, and identfying with it.

So narrow the width or your brush strokes a tad.

Just an opinion.

[Thorn]

I say this to you with all manner of good will.

It is as naive for an "upscale" provider to presume that any man with the cash to see her has never been with a street prostitute as it is for an "upscale" provider's client to presume that the provider in question has never been a street prostitute.

Either is just as likely as the other.

How you deal with that fact of life is up to you, but ignoring it doesn't it make it less so.

[Edited by Thorn on 10-14-2001 at 09:27 PM]

[Sageo]

I truly understand the debate going on about who is less dangerous ... a high cost provider vs a street walker. But it seems to me that there are some personalities battling it out on this thread. Perhaps you can create a new thread to continue your discussion and let this subject get back to its intended subject matter ... Paterson Street Action.

Just a little bored with the debate.

sag

[ew]

I think she's bent out of shape because she's a domme in the BDSM thingy.

So take her words lightly "boys", she's used to getting paid for treating you like shit.



[Edited by ew on 10-14-2001 at 11:48 PM]

[DannyNJ]

Originally posted by petitenyspice
Hello Everyone.

MaryJane and Kimmie especially.

Know you see what I was talking about. The guys on this board thing we are a bunch of hookers with no intelligence whatsoever and lacking the capacity to think for ourselves.

This is why I chose not to bother to post here anymore. They have turned something which can be useful for clients as well as providers into a playground for bullies.

Grow up and get a life and remember what goes around comes around. You reap what you sow.

P.S. Thank goodness for this board, at least now we have a general idea of who the undersireable ones are.

Peace

It's not fair to generalize every guy on this board because of the opinions of just a few.

It's an unfortunate fact, but some people DO get their ya ya's by bullying or insulting on Discussion Boards. It's not just on UG, but on every board on the Internet that I've ever been a member of.

While I'm steering clear of this discussion (no, I have never personally hooked up with a streetwalker but I don't condemn those who have either.. to each their own), I hope all you providers will keep posting on the board because a lot of us do appreciate your input on various subjects.

Can't we all just get along? :)

[Wowie69]

winds (and Kimmie too),

I think you should reconsider your comments about re-hab methods. It is not as easy as just dropping a person off at a re-hab center. (I wish it was.) Most addicts are aware of the re-hab facilities, but getting them to enter one IS HALF THE BATTLE.

And winds, it seems like you want to help a poor addicted streetwalker.

So, let me give you some contact information for a girl you can help:

She is a black, latin, or white girl between the ages of 17-50. Her appearance will range from horrible to cute. Her demeanor can be nasty or friendly. She may be stupid or intelligent, sincere or sarcastic. She could have the soul of an angel, or she might try to rob you blind.

So please, winds, get out there, find her, and drop her off at a re-hab center.

[jras]

edited by request

jras





[Edited by Allen on 10-15-2001 at 01:03 PM]

[Kimmie]

wowie.I never made any comments about rehab..

jar.. thats ok, you couldn't pay me enough...


Kisses
LETS GO YANKEES!!!!!!

P.S Try as you may, you wont scare me away. I like it here.. There are one or two gentlemen here who are intelligent and mature and dont resort to insulting a woman to boost their egos.. And alot of Yankee fans here too :)

[RoosterC74]

Kimmie,

I have to agree with one thing for certain:

Lets Go Yankees!

Danny,

And you are correct- Why Can't we all just get along?

[petitenyspice]

Oh my such harsh words from you my dear man Jras.

Sweetheart, I do not feel any contempt to those girls that do work the streets and in no way are they my sistas, just only in the spirit of the human race and womanhood.

What I do feel for them is empathy but let me explain something to you. I had a best friend since child hood who became involved with drugs at an early age. Yes she did become an addict and a street girl, hustling everyone and doing anything to feed her drug habit.

On many occassions I did help pay for her rehab, 6 times to be exact. Each and every time it was a vicious cycle of the merry go round. On again off again.

Where is she now, DEAD from aids. Let this be a lesson, in no way shape or form are Mj, Kimmie nor I self loathing bitches, self righteous or detached.

We completeley understand their position and pray for them to seek help. Unless they choose to do this and commit 110%, they will continue down that path of self abuse.

The recovery process will not take 30 days as the celebrities claim to. Years and years of extensive therapy and behavior modification has to be implemented.

So you see before you jump to conclusions about my views, just ask me, I will be more than happy to share them with you. We may not see eye to eye but we may learn something from one another.

As for the part about you making an appointment to see any one of us, Mj is retired, and Kimmie and I are VERY VERY selective and will only see accomplished gentleman who are engaging.

Have a wonderful day, Ciao

[jras]

Spice,

thanks for the measured, classy response to my snotty BS. Woke up on the wrong side of bed today and took it out on the wrong gal(s). I'm always bitchin about sweeping overgeneralizations, and fell trap to one myself. I'm sorry to learn about your friend, and your story puts a very human face on all of this. I owe you an apology -- sorry. I'll see if I can edit my earlier email to make it less offensive. Live and learn, even an old fart like me.

jras

ps. tried to edit the earlier missive, but too late. Another lesson I guess.


[Edited by jras on 10-15-2001 at 11:33 AM]

[RoosterC74]

JRAS,

Wow-great post to be upfront and state that at times we do get up on the wrong side of the bed. At times I wish more of us, including me, would be upfront when we make a mistake with a post on this Board. Also, did you get my e-mail response?

[winds]

Originally posted by Wowie69
winds (and Kimmie too),

She is a black, latin, or white girl between the ages of 17-50. Her appearance will range from horrible to cute. Her demeanor can be nasty or friendly. She may be stupid or intelligent, sincere or sarcastic. She could have the soul of an angel, or she might try to rob you blind.

So please, winds, get out there, find her, and drop her off at a re-hab center.


Gosh.... I have already crashed my new car that night because of staying too late to read all these messages and post these things.... I will stay in my home from now....

[winds]

Originally posted by RoosterC74
JRAS,

Wow-great post to be upfront and state that at times we do get up on the wrong side of the bed.


Agree. Very human and sad story. Also very sincere response from rooster.

[maryjane]

Just because Winds is new why are you all so quick to jump down his throat before you know the facts? Letting the paranoia of this war win you over? It is not like Winds is going to get an appointment with a top notch provider without some serious screening-

I saw you guys jump on him on another thread-what is the deal?

MJ

PS-Spice, if I ever go back to college, I will pay you to write my papers:)

Luv Ya

PPS-Kimmie-keep rooting:)

[winds]

Originally posted by maryjane
Just because Winds is new why are you all so quick to jump down his throat before you know the facts?

I am OK. My coworker also jumped today down my throat while others were thinking she is going to kill me... In fact, she likes me very much.

[petitenyspice]

Ah man you people are f***** crazy. Just when I think the hell with this board and all of you, you suprise me.

After reading this post on Paterson Streets Again, I swear I'm laughing so hard. We're all acting like a bunch of stupid juvenilles. Yada yada, bada bing, bada boom.

But that is good, in a way at least we are starting to have some real interation with one another and opening the lines of honest communication between clients and providers.

Sometimes I swear all of you get on my damn nerves but then I'm surprised at the muses you are.

Fondy, Gia
P.S. MaryJane - Suggestion babe, If you want me to write those term papers, I'll make sure I beg my sister to, she's the writer in the family, I've always been the unconforming bad girl.

[Kimmie]

What was this thread about again? Oh yeah.. I recall now..

Anyway, Jars, my response to you was bitter, but I am the kind of person who gives back just as much as she gets. Lets drop it.. I always wake up on the wrong side of the bed, and end up crawling right back ..

Rooster..You are just too cool!!

Spicey..You know I wish you were bi..You are the BEST.. LOL

MJ..Thanks for coming to my defense earlier.. Thelma and Louise Forever..

As for the street ladies. I never worked on the streets, I knew girls who did. I was not close with them, and I was frightened by the idea of being on the streets.
I suppose when you fear the unknown you tend to put it down.. I just want everyone to be safe, and enjoy this hobby, and profession, and not put others, or ourselves, in jeopardy. It can be done. BE SAFE..

Kisses
LETS GO YANKEEEEEEES!!!

[littleguy]

Why do I feel like I'm back on *** ?

[justme]

Because your criticisms of the board culture are being deleted?

[Slinky Bender]

Justincase anyone thinks justme isn't joking. None one's ( not even littleguy's ) "criticisms of the board culture are being deleted".

[justme]

All that effort because Allen still hasn't gotten that irony emoticon installed. Isn't there something else that Allen hasn't done?

[Wowie69]

Earlier in this thread, I spoke about a street provider who I was attempting to help rid her drug habit, and thus get off the street.

I was rather doubtful that I would have much success, but without going into all the details, yes, at this moment things are working out for her.

I have gotten her back to her family (several hours away from Paterson) and she has begun a 30 day de-tox program.

[woodman]

good man..make sure she always has a way to contact you if she happens to screw up.Make it known to her you will respect her more if she tells you immed. if she fails and thus will have a better chance of trying again.

[maryjane]

to hear that the girl is getting help.......my best wishes.

[Ezrlove]

Hey MJ,

I was just asking Spicey about you. I hope all is going well in your retirement.

EZ

[littleguy]

"not even littleguy's (criticisms of the board culture are being deleted)

Harrrrrumph.............. I resemble that remark. (grin)

[maryjane]

Ah, I have been around and about, all in all doing OK:)

[marc]

Was working in the Silk City last week , finished my job and was feeling a little... Horny (so whats new!)
Decided to drive around to window shop,..pathetic, skinny crack whores everywhere.
But eventually saw a beutiful girl with headphones. Was she workin?? Pulled over with the pretense of asking directions. she climbed in and asked if i needed a date! Said 'sure'. Drove over to my office(empty-after hours) and proceeded to F/s.. very beautiful, intelligent girl. Did DATY, CBJ and then FS (mission then cowboy) wow!!!After mutual satisfaction, then we talked price!! she said $.4, i gave $.6. Name was Sue, 5'6" about 110
short blonde hair, college ed., best provider I ever had, (Had some agency girls for $$$. Lookig for her again

[Bill Furniture]

Way to go marc! You sure got lucky. Did you get her number so you can see her again?

[marc]

yes, i did get number and will see her tommorow!!

[jgd]

Originally posted by marc
yes, i did get number and will see her tommorow!!

Marc, any chance of you passing along her number to me? Please email if possible.

[Bill Furniture]

Originally posted by jgd


Marc, any chance of you passing along her number to me? Please email if possible.

ditto

[ciscook]

Marc:

Could you please Email me her phone number.

Also, what area of the city did you pick her up?

Thanks.

Ciscook

[tonka]

Marc, please add me to your list of new friends who want Sue's #. Thanks

[lurkey]

Ok Marc,

Since I started this damn thread, how about adding me to the list of folks wanting the number. Where in the city does she stroll?

Lurkey

[tomahawk9]

This might make things simpler: Anyone who does NOT want this woman's name and contact info, get in touch with Marc. Marc, please give that info to everyone else (including me!).
- Tomahawk9

[Daty]

me too

[Casper]

Since I hate to be left out of a good thing, I'll take the number too.

[Troutman]

Looks like you might as well post it, and turn the girl into an escort.

[ew]

That being different than a streetwalker?

[biggod]

Marc,

Why don't you just post the number. I'm sure she won't mind it's just more money for her. If she's working the street she must need money with the looks you described. what about it Marc?????

[Troutman]

Please?

[HappyGilmore]

well marc, you might just as well add me to the list also.....please.

[Troutman]

Hey Marc, you sure became popular fast, here, dincha?

[jgd]

Hey Marc,

It's been a week already, how about that number?

[tonka]

Marc, first off I've noticied you haven't posted anywhere since 11/22, so I hope your ok. If you are ok, what gives. You have asked for info in the past (ny/nj/ctspa), and I responded with not only a phone # but an address. The very essence of this board is to share info on all providers.We by joining this website have an obligation to each other. Again I hope your not posting for selfish reasons, but if you are...shame on you, bad form.

[marc]

Sorry about the delay guys, very very sorry. But my last post i stated that I was going to meet her later that day/or night. Well, I got stood up!!(like that has never happened to me, LOL. I tried contacting her via phone again, just keeps ringing. I had the pleasure of working in lovely Paterson last night again and after work decided to try to find her. No luck! I stopped a couple of girls I know (one is tenant of mine) and asked if they have seen Sue...no one has seen her in about one week. I guess the streets of the city have swallowed another soul... I hope she is doing okay. not only was she sexy, but she was extremely intellegent and claimed to be doing this to get back on her feet(violin playing in background). So guys...I apologize!!!!
Did someone say X-mas Party??

[biggod]

Marc,

What's the number Maybe someone else can reach her you know two people trying is better than one. The more the better chance as where she is.

[tonka]

Good idea Bigdog, strength in numbers.

[tonka]

Sorry, Biggod, my bad.

[marc]

Alright guys, back in the office now, saw your request for sue's number. as always, left it home will post monday upon my return to office.
But, I cruised Paterson again last night, didn't partake though. Saw a couple of nice looking white 'providers', but as i circled to look for LE, girls must have been picked up by other customers. Still the majority of girls out ther are thin 'crack whores' or down right ugly looking creatures. Maybe i can find time this weekend to do some daytime recon in the area. Peace!

[marc]

BTW. During my last few cruises in the Silk City, I noticed that providers were absent in the Market Street/Cianci Street area. Didn't notice any more LE than usual. Has anybody actually picked up any street walkers in this area in the last month or two?? Wondering....
Most providers are on Ellison Street and Broadway area, also 'hot' is 21st Ave near the triangles (if you drive there you know what I mean). Also the Shell Gas station on 21st and Madison is active, also a favorite spot for unmarked/marked LE to fill up, so be careful!!

[tonka]

Still waiting on that # Marc.

[biggod]

Marc,

If you truly did not get a number from her just tell us and we will move on

[tonka]

Never one to beat a dead horse, but did anyone ever get this much sought after number, or were we all out snipe hunting?