Have you ever helped or convinced a girl new to the business to leave the business? [Archive]

FlipMo

12-07-2003, 12:22 AM

I was reading a thread on here the other day... I think it was the CL - CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR thread http://www.utopiaguide.com/forums/t17002.html and it reminded me of something that I experienced recently but I thought it should belong on it's own thread since it does pertain to something of a different nature. It had something to do with semi-pro girls and the way they behave when new to the business. I told myself that I wouldn't tell this story since I myself or my "girl" (we'll call her MARY) might get in trouble if anyone reading this might know someone who knows someone who knows her or who she used to kinda work for... But I felt the need to share so my story goes something like this...

One Thursday night I'm cruising on the West Side trolling for cute white sw’s and who do I spot but this really cute tall (5'10) 22 year old model looking white girl who obviously is new to the biz and looks out of place walking with an ugly bsw. I drive around the block since I had driven past them and wasn't able to throw my car in reverse. To my surprise the cute girl was still there. I roll up to her and ask if she wants a ride. She tells me that she doesn't need a ride and if I wanted a bj. I dont say anything and she tells me that it’ll cost $60.00. Now I know she aint a cop since she told me what she’ll do and at what price. She didnt even ask me the “Are you a cop”? question, so I know this girl is a newbie sw. I tell her I only have $40.00 on me and if that’ll be ok. She tells me no and walks back to the ugly bsw. I decide to not drive off so quickly thinking maybe she might reconsider my $40.00 and walk back to my car but then a white car pulls up in front of me and Mary talks to the guy for a bit then gets in. At this point I decide to continue my search and drive off. As I get to the end of the block (Mary and bsw were standing at the beginning of the block) I notice Mary getting out of the white car, so I tell her I have $50.00, she agrees and gets into my car.

We exchange names and the usual chit chat while we look for a place to park. I ask her how long she’s been in the biz. 2 weeks she tells me. I somehow knew she was a newbie. She then tells me that I’m her 2nd client ever. I ask her how am I her 2nd client if she’s been in the game for 2 weeks? She then tells me her story...

She was riding the train from where her family is from (somewhere in New Jersey I think). Then a woc sitting next to her starts up a conversation with her asking where she’s from and what does she do. Mary tells her that she’s in the modeling business. Then the woc tells her that she does the same thing along with 3 other girls who she lives with along with their “manager” She invites Mary to live with them rent free and promises her that she’ll make X amount of money doing various modeling gigs. Now, Mary agrees to meet the other 3 models and their manager. She arrives at the apartment and meets everyone. The “manager” makes promises that she’ll make X amount of money and that he’ll take care of all of her expenses and finances. That night he tells her that they are going to a club and tells her to get dressed. They arrive at the club at which time Mary notices that it’s a strip club. She then asks the manager to take her back to the apartment so she can get her suitcase and leave. The dude tells her if she wants her shit back she’s gonna have to make some money for him in order for her to leave. She then realizes that the dude is the 4 girl’s pimp and that she wants nothing to do with them. Then the pimp threatens Mary with bodily harm if she doesn't do what he tells her to do. Every night at the club the pimp makes the girls dance so that they can make money for him, and then after working the strip club he takes them out to work the streets. The next day she asks to leave the apartment. The pimp tells her yeah ok, you can leave in the morning. But while she was asleep, they all leave the apartment locking her inside the apartment with no way out. The apartment didnt even have a landline phone to call out since the pimp only uses his cell phone. So she couldn't even call for help. So basically she’s been kidnapped!
I was just depressed hearing Mary’s story. I asked her why she just doesn't leave? She tells me that she cant since the pimp is always on the lookout along with his other sw’s who are very loyal to him. She described to me the truck that the pimp and them drive around in. This was the same truck I noticed drive by me no less than 6 times while I was parked trying to convince Mary to get in my car the first time I noticed her that night. She then tells me that the pimp beats up on his women and that she was deathly afraid to end up like one of the other girls she was living with. She witnessed one of the beatings by him on one of the girls. She asked the girl that was beat up afterwards why did she take the beating the way she did since she really didnt do anything wrong to provoke it? The girl tells Mary that she deserved to be beaten because of what she did, and that she should watch what she says in front of “Daddy” or else the same thing would happen to her. Mary believed it and was even more scared of the pimp. The last time she asked the pimp to let her leave yet again he yelled at her stating “Bitch, when you make me $2,000.00 you can leave, but until then you're working for me! You aint nuttin but a bitch ass ho”! This even made her more afraid of leaving thinking that she can NEVER leave.

FlipMo

12-07-2003, 12:23 AM

I asked her what was her first client experience was like since I was her 2nd client? The first client that she was with was a very nice guy who even offered her a hotel room in the city for a week or two just so that she can lay low when or if she can leave her pimp. (Does any of this sound familiar to any of you? Are any of you this person who offered to put up Mary in a New York City hotel? That was really nice of you btw.) She declined his offer since she was scared that the pimp or one of his bitches would find her and do something terrible to her. At this point I offered her a ride to Penn Station so she can take a train back to her hometown but again, she was afraid that they would come looking for her at the train station where they picked her up and the other bsw that was on the train with her once they realize that she skipped out on them. I then offered her to take her back to my place for the night far from Manhattan and far from the pimp and his bitches, she was a bit reluctant but agreed after some reassuring on my part that I would take care of her and wont cause her any harm. I then realized that the bsw saw my car and can tell the pimp what car did Mary go into. But then Mary told me that the bsw saw her get into the white car that pulled in front of me earlier and didnt see her get into my car after she left the white car after the deal she made with the previous guy fell through. I was so relieved to realize this since I like living and dont want any pimps coming after me since I essentially took away a money making girl from them. Then Mary realizes that all her stuff is at the pimp’s apartment. Her favorite boots, jacket and clothes were all at the apartment... along with her identification with her home address! I tried to reassure her that all that material stuff is replaceable and what she should think of is her life and they way that this guy treats his girls. I told her that their life is a life where she doesn't belong and that she deserves to be treated with respect and dignity. With tears in her eyes she told me to take her to my place and dont look back. So as we drove past where I first picked her up she slouched down in the seat as not to be seen and I noticed that the bsw that she with earlier was no longer there but the pimp’s truck was parked where I was parked earlier! I was scared shitless and kept looking in my rearview to make sure I wasn't being followed by the pimp.

We arrive back at my place. Btw... my parents were away visiting my sister and her family in Florida for a couple of weeks so I had the whole house to myself! I offer her to take a shower to which she gladly accepted. I then heated up some leftovers while she was taking a shower so that she can have something to eat since she told me that she hasn't eaten anything all day except for a protein bar that she asked the pimp to buy for her earlier which he very reluctantly bought for her but not until he berated and yelled at her for her for eating so much. She gets out of the bathroom with a big smile on her face and gives me the biggest hug and thanks me for making it possible to leave the pimp. She proceeds to tell me more horror stories that she’s witnessed while she eats the food that I had prepared for her. After a bottle of wine which she drank most of (I only drank a glass from the whole bottle) we then went to my room and watched some dvd’s. As we watched the dvd, she tells me that she’s VERY grateful for helping her leave and that she wants to repay me for my kindness. I haven't even paid her and she wants to repay me?!? I’m all for that! She then helps me off with my clothes and starts a bbbj. In the middle of her (much needed) bbbj I ask her if I can help her off with her clothes (which were actually my sweatpants and sweatshirt that I offered for her to wear after her shower) to which she simply smiled and said “Of course you can”! After her clothes come off she continues with the bbbj and I of course do a little roaming myself. I notice that her pussy is so neatly trimmed and think to myself that I need to taste her pussy. So I asked her to move on top of me so that we were in a 69 position. I was thinking to myself... “OMG! I’m 69’ing a model!!!” She tasted awesome! 3 cups and several positions later and we fall asleep in each others arms.

FlipMo

12-07-2003, 12:23 AM

In the morning she wakes me up with a Good Morning BBBJ! After which I hop in the shower while she prepared breakfast. Over breakfast we discuss what her plans are and she decides to stay with friends somewhere in the Village and if I can drive her to her friend’s apartment in the Village. She then makes phone calls to her friends who have been frantic about her whereabouts (she’s been missing for 2 weeks) and she tells them that she’ll tell them the whole story when she sees them. We drive to her friend’s apartment. I drop her off, still in my clothes I gave her to wear the night before and she tells me that she’ll call me after she gets all settled in with her friends. Meanwhile I’m thinking... “Yeah right, she’s not going to call me!” But I play along and say, “Yes, please call, I’d like to hang out again with you” One week passes and no call just like I thought. 2 weeks after I had last seen Mary she calls me out of the blue and asks me if I would like to hang out with her. I pick her up and she’s all glad to see me and is looking better than when I first picked her up. She asks me if we can go back to my place, but since my parents were back home I couldn't bring her back so we decided to do it in the car. She gives me a bbbjtcnqns and I give her the $50.00 that I had agreed to give her 2 weeks prior when I first picked her up. She was happy, I was happy. To this day, we still meet up about once a week to hang out and have sex, multiple cups... and still with the same price of $50.00 which she’s happy to get from me since she currently has no other source of income except for the savings she has from past modeling gigs. But one thing has changed... I now take her home even with my parents there... they just think she’s my steady gf!

FlipMo

hazmat

12-07-2003, 03:18 AM

I think there are times in life when our "human-ness" shines thru for the benefit of another wretched soul. You did a good thing..the right thing at the right time and if you believe as I do that there is some kind of existence after we shed this mortal coil..you shall surely be in line for your reward.

PS. Hey its sunday and I'm felling spiritual..OK ? !

justhappy2000

12-07-2003, 04:46 AM

I am glad to see that good people still exist.

Z

Desi-dude

12-07-2003, 05:08 AM

Yes sometimes you find gems in the rough. You gotta to be luck dude

TC123

12-07-2003, 06:14 AM

Emjoyed the story, Flip. Thanks and congrats!!!

Amber-NYC

12-07-2003, 06:51 AM

Intresting story ,rather long. I think you should write a book.(wink)

justlooking

12-07-2003, 08:42 AM

Yes.

justlooking

12-07-2003, 08:42 AM

(Actually, now that I think of it, I must have done it many more times inadvertantly than advertantly.)

fumpton

12-07-2003, 08:48 AM

good job flip-mo. I think this is one of those situations where it was necessary to get her out of the "biz". I hope that you reminded her to cancel her credit cards and other ID that she left at the pimp's apt. Also, maybe an anoynomus phone call to the cops about the pimp and his apt may be needed. If anything "Mary", can recover some of her property.

fumpton

12-07-2003, 08:50 AM

also, a kidnapping charge against the pimp would put him away for awhile.

edouble

12-07-2003, 09:24 AM

nice job but the whole time i was waiting to read how the pimp broke into your house and stole everytihing you had for stealing his girl.

BigMadM

12-07-2003, 09:48 AM

especially his mothers crystal egg

Slinky Bender

12-07-2003, 09:53 AM

Are you saying FlipMO can get into Princeton now?

badz1

12-07-2003, 09:54 AM

i can't believe no one sees the way i see it, but i will speak my mind anyway. how is it consider helping her "leaving" the business when you are still paying her $50 for sex? it sounds like you are taking advantage of her right now.

oo7

12-07-2003, 09:57 AM

Hey Flipmo, any contact info, phone #s, etc???

LOL, Relax I'm kidding

BigMadM

12-07-2003, 10:07 AM

thanx badz, I didnt want to say it. But I felt the same thing.
I have had girls break down on me and cry how they are in terrible situations in this hobby, and how theyd like to get out.
I yes them to death, then offer them a deal to get me everything I want, and then some. Hey, I cant lie. If I can get a 22 y/o hot bodied girl to take it up the ass and swallow, Ill help her get out as soon as I think Ive had enough.
BTW- I have lent money to girls to move to get out of the business. I have lent money to girls to help them try to get out of the business. It never worked out, they always come back, all except for one.

badz1

12-07-2003, 10:28 AM

BMM, at least you are honest about it.
even though flipmo had a good intention, and a good heart in the beginning (i think), but in the end, he's far from helping her to get out of business, if not contributing her to stay in the business. if that's the case, at least pay her what she deserves.

Cat_Ballou

12-07-2003, 10:39 AM

Well, I think that regardless of anything else, he performed an enormous mitzvah by getting her away from that pimp, and it hardly sounds (at least from what he has said here) like he is pressuring her or mistreating her. I have to wonder, though, if she doesn't think she actually is his girlfriend (which he doesn't seem to view her as) at this point? If she's met his parents...

That's a potentially serious problem, Flipmo, and I think you should maintain your good karma by being honest with her about how you view the situation...

TC123

12-07-2003, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by badz1
BMM, at least you are honest about it.
even though flipmo had a good intention, and a good heart in the beginning (i think), but in the end, he's far from helping her to get out of business, if not contributing her to stay in the business. if that's the case, at least pay her what she deserves.

Whose to say he ISN'T paying her what she "deserves". People have sex everyday without any money changing hands. She is perfectly willing to do what she does, out of gratitude for a friendly ear, a hot shower, a nice meal, whatever, and $50 on top of that. She may not be "out of the business", but she's away from Guido, the killer pimp, and relatively safe. Whether she's still out there charging others, nobody knows. He's happy. She's happy. Why should anyone else have a problem with the $ amount?

jp1064

12-07-2003, 10:45 AM

Why not make her a real GF now FlipMo? Make it legit.

billyS

12-07-2003, 11:06 AM

Sounds like this girl from NJ didn't have too much street smarts in the first place. And what about her parents? They didn't notice her missing for two weeks? There must be more to this story.

hazmat

12-07-2003, 11:14 AM

I even hate to ask.....but how old is FlipMo ? Young enough to have to bring girls back to his parents crib yet old enough to be paying for it ...hmmmmm....makes the mind wonder about the whole situation.

badz1

12-07-2003, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by TC123
Whose to say he ISN'T paying her what she "deserves".
the $50 that they agreed on when flipmo first picked her up was for bj only. does that answer your question?

badz1

12-07-2003, 12:30 PM

just to be clear, i do no have much of a problem of how much one is paying for sex (that isn't none of my business, and i don't really care), but i do have a big problem with the title of this thread that he came up with.
bottom line is... he sounded like a good hearted person for what he did for that girl that night, but he's hardly trying to help or convince her to leave the business. that's my point.

mojosair

12-07-2003, 01:17 PM

Frankly I am pretty sure its a crock of shit anyway, and as already mentioned the title of the thread is bullshit anyway.

azzure

12-07-2003, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by justlooking
(Actually, now that I think of it, I must have done it many more times inadvertantly than advertantly.)

Funniest post of the day.

TC123

12-07-2003, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by badz1
the $50 that they agreed on when flipmo first picked her up was for bj only. does that answer your question?

Absolutely not.

BEFORE everything else happened, the agree to $50 for the BJ. Doe sthat mean that rate should never, ever change for any reason? He also took her into his home, fed her, clothed her, and got her out of a dangerous situation. Did either one of them "agree" to that when out on a street corner? Of course not! How much should SHE have paid HIM for that? Or perhaps she's now showing her gratitude. In any case, if THEY are both happy with the arrangement, each one gladly coming back for more, why do YOU feel that it is unfair?

TC123

12-07-2003, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by badz1
just to be clear, i do no have much of a problem of how much one is paying for sex (that isn't none of my business, and i don't really care), but i do have a big problem with the title of this thread that he came up with.
bottom line is... he sounded like a good hearted person for what he did for that girl that night, but he's hardly trying to help or convince her to leave the business. that's my point.

So we agree not to put his likeness up on Mount Rushmore.

Still, if YOU do something nice for someone, and they, in return, do something nice for YOU, why should you have to turn down their reciprocity, just because it wasn't your original intent to get something out of the deal? Does that mean you're NOT a good-hearted person?

Hell, there are plenty pf people in the world who would say those of us in the hobby are ALL taking advantage of someone. That's been argued to death, but the point is that you're holding FlipMo to some kind of Mother Teresa standard that none of us would pass.

jras

12-07-2003, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by mojosair
Frankly I am pretty sure its a crock of shit anyway, and as already mentioned the title of the thread is bullshit anyway.

Harshburger!
But at least he got an A on the investigative report cum creative writing assignment.

piece,
jras

FlipMo

12-07-2003, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by fumpton
good job flip-mo. I think this is one of those situations where it was necessary to get her out of the "biz". I hope that you reminded her to cancel her credit cards and other ID that she left at the pimp's apt. Also, maybe an anoynomus phone call to the cops about the pimp and his apt may be needed. If anything "Mary", can recover some of her property. The property is the least of her concerns, she's just glad to be out of that apartment. And as for the kidnapping charge, I asked her about that as well as her friends, but she just doesnt want anything to do with the pimp... according to her, he's "well connected" which I assume is gang related.

FlipMo

FlipMo

12-07-2003, 04:16 PM

Originally posted by edouble
nice job but the whole time i was waiting to read how the pimp broke into your house and stole everytihing you had for stealing his girl. Do you mean Guido the Killer Pimp? I did pick her up in my daddy's Porsche.

FlipMo

FlipMo

12-07-2003, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by BigMadM
especially his mothers crystal egg Actually when Mary left, I looked around the house to make sure nothing was gone.... just me being paranoid I guess... and that movie Risky Business popped into my head more than a few times that night.

FlipMo

biggod

12-07-2003, 04:26 PM

Flipmo,

What street did Mary work on. Who's this pimp you are talking about. I sure would like to meet up with her. BTW nice job.

FlipMo

12-07-2003, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by badz1
i can't believe no one sees the way i see it, but i will speak my mind anyway. how is it consider helping her "leaving" the business when you are still paying her $50 for sex? it sounds like you are taking advantage of her right now. I knew someone was gonna say something about this so let me explain. The $50 that I have given Mary on several occasions is not necessarily for "sex", we just happen to have sex when we meet. There's been several instances that I haven't given her any money at all or I'd offer her money but she wouldn't accept it since, i'm guessing, to her it feels like I'm paying her for sexual favors which might offend any girl who is not in the business. So its not like EVERY time we meet I give her money and we have sex, it's really not like that at all. A couple of times, we would just go out for sushi. Of course I would pick up the bill seeing that she doesn't have any money, but afterwards I would just drive her back to her friend's apartment without any sex being involved.

FlipMo

FlipMo

12-07-2003, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by Cat_Ballou
Well, I think that regardless of anything else, he performed an enormous mitzvah by getting her away from that pimp, and it hardly sounds (at least from what he has said here) like he is pressuring her or mistreating her. I have to wonder, though, if she doesn't think she actually is his girlfriend (which he doesn't seem to view her as) at this point? If she's met his parents...

That's a potentially serious problem, Flipmo, and I think you should maintain your good karma by being honest with her about how you view the situation... She knows we're not bf/gf. She has even told me that she truly likes hanging out with me wether its going out for dinner, or coming back to my place and watching dvd's. I guess I can call her a friend with benefits being that both of us are unattached with a significant other.

FlipMo

jp1064

12-07-2003, 04:47 PM

Originally posted by FlipMo
She knows we're not bf/gf. She has even told me that she truly likes hanging out with me wether its going out for dinner, or coming back to my place and watching dvd's. I guess I can call her a friend with benefits being that both of us are unattached with a significant other.

FlipMo It's called Fuck Buddy!

FlipMo

12-07-2003, 04:49 PM

Originally posted by jp1064
Why not make her a real GF now FlipMo? Make it legit. Nah, yeah she's young (22), georgeous model type (8/9), tall (5'10), but she aint the brightest girl I've met. She's just good arm candy. I dont see her as gf material and isnt someone I would see myself settling down with. She's not Ms. Right... she's more like a Ms. Right-For-Now.

FlipMo

FlipMo

12-07-2003, 04:49 PM

Originally posted by jp1064
It's called Fuck Buddy! BINGO!

FlipMo

FlipMo

12-07-2003, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by billyS
Sounds like this girl from NJ didn't have too much street smarts in the first place. And what about her parents? They didn't notice her missing for two weeks? There must be more to this story. She's been spoiled and sheltered for most of her life. She hasn't lived with her parents for quite some time now since her parents are divorced so she has to split her time with each of them. And yeah, she aint too street smart... she's sometimes too trusting for her own good, but that has changed somewhat in light of recent events.

FlipMo

celtic knight

12-07-2003, 06:11 PM

If you really want to help someone leave the business, take them to the local community college and fill out the financial aid forms with them. Get them started in a life.

badz1

12-07-2003, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by TC123
Still, if YOU do something nice for someone, and they, in return, do something nice for YOU, why should you have to turn down their reciprocity
did i say you have to?

Originally posted by TC123 just because it wasn't your original intent to get something out of the deal? Does that mean you're NOT a good-hearted person?
let me repost what i wrote earlier...."bottom line is... he sounded like a good hearted person for what he did for that girl that night"

Originally posted by TC123 Hell, there are plenty pf people in the world who would say those of us in the hobby are ALL taking advantage of someone. That's been argued to death, but the point is that you're holding FlipMo to some kind of Mother Teresa standard that none of us would pass.
no, the point is that (am i talking to a brick wall here?), don't say you've helped or convinced a girl new to the business to leave the business, when you are still paying her $ for sex. use a more appropriate title like "hey i helped a girl away from her pimp and now i've got a fuck buddy" or something like that. THAT is my point.

badz1

12-07-2003, 06:39 PM

Originally posted by FlipMo
I knew someone was gonna say something about this so let me explain. The $50 that I have given Mary on several occasions is not necessarily for "sex", we just happen to have sex when we meet. There's been several instances that I haven't given her any money at all or I'd offer her money but she wouldn't accept it since, i'm guessing, to her it feels like I'm paying her for sexual favors which might offend any girl who is not in the business. So its not like EVERY time we meet I give her money and we have sex, it's really not like that at all. A couple of times, we would just go out for sushi. Of course I would pick up the bill seeing that she doesn't have any money, but afterwards I would just drive her back to her friend's apartment without any sex being involved.
FlipMo

flipmo, what you just explained is totally different than... " To this day, we still meet up about once a week to hang out and have sex, multiple cups... and still with the same price of $50.00 which she’s happy to get from me since she currently has no other source of income except for the savings she has from past modeling gigs."

that is why i feel like i have to point out to people like tc123, that if you are still giving her $50 once a week to hang out and have sex, that's hardly trying to convince her to leave the business. anyway, i am done with your story... nice story by the way. i admit that it was quite entertaining.

fumpton

12-07-2003, 07:35 PM

Originally posted by FlipMo
Nah, yeah she's young (22), georgeous model type (8/9), tall (5'10), but she aint the brightest girl I've met. She's just good arm candy. I dont see her as gf material and isnt someone I would see myself settling down with. She's not Ms. Right... she's more like a Ms. Right-For-Now.

FlipMo

I think she's ms.right-for-fumpton. LOL. If she's a gorgoeus model type and needs a few bucks, I'll make an appointment with her.

nabbeun

12-07-2003, 08:59 PM

to answer your original question: Yes I have. I know exactly the kind of girl you are talking about.

first off, i cannot say i would feel threatened by guido-the-pimp, unless he managed to trap you in a dark alley. their business and livelihood depends on staying off LE radar. they won't mess with you, as they would with other street people. losing a potential profit machine means little when going after you could easily end up bringing his whole world down. its annoying to lose someone who you spent the bucks for a protein bar on, but as easy as it was to get this one, there will be others.

second, you don't have to tell us she's not too bright. the fact that she would follow his reasoning and stick around to turn tricks for him because she's afraid of him or because he has her favorite pair of boots at his apt tells us all we need to know. there is very high demand in this world for gorgeous-but-stupid girls, both among low life pimps and the rich and powerful. she just had the bad luck to have the former notice her before the latter. these girls are a hot commodity, and it is a fine line between whether they end up street whores or some rich man's 2nd wife. i also know she is not necessarily "not too bright" intelligence wise; what we are talking about is a lack of wisdom, common sense, and extremely poor judgment.

you could/may have saved her. it is winning the battle. her poor judgment will have her in jeaprody the rest of her life. hopefully she will be luckier with the next one that takes a shining to her.

it doesnt sound like you are inclined to make saving her one of your hobbies...sounds like you are just enjoying the fruits. all the more power to you. if you do start changing your mind, be aware that you would be taking on a huge job and headache for a long time to come.

And with that caveat in mind...enjoy. btw, these girls also tend to run in packs, so keep an eye out for her friends...

...and if it comes to pass you have you hands full with too many fuck buddies, please send the overflow this way :)

TC123

12-08-2003, 02:18 AM

Originally posted by badz1
did i say you have to?

Now you're asking ME whether or not YOU said something. Please keep your own posts straight.

Originally posted by badz1
let me repost what i wrote earlier

Fine. But if you post it a second time, try to remember it so you don't have to ask later whether or not you said it.

Originally posted by badz1
...."bottom line is... he sounded like a good hearted person for what he did for that girl that night"

OK.

Originally posted by badz1
no, the point is that (am i talking to a brick wall here?),

Would a brick wall help you remember what you said?

Originally posted by badz1
don't say you've helped or convinced a girl new to the business to leave the business, when you are still paying her $ for sex. use a more appropriate title like "hey i helped a girl away from her pimp and now i've got a fuck buddy" or something like that. THAT is my point.

So if Slinky changes the title of the thread to something YOU approve of, everything will be all right? Should everyone who starts a thread have to get your approval on what to title it? Or should people actually read the thread before forming an opinion? Actually if you keep reading his posts, instead of racking your brain trying to remember what you said, you'd discover that is exactly what happened. BTW, to refresh your memory, THIS is what you said:

Originally posted by badz1
he's far from helping her to get out of business, if not contributing her to stay in the business. if that's the case, at least pay her what she deserves.

First you complained he wasn't paying her enough for sex. Now that he's explained he isn't paying her for sex, and there is no evidence she's still in the business, with him or anyone else, you're complaining about the title of the thread. You want him to pay her more and stop paying her at the same time. A brick wall may not have a better memory than you, but at least a brick wall doesn't change his story.

Congats FlipMo. Enjoy your situation without worrying about people who only read thread titles.

Thorn

12-08-2003, 03:41 AM

Once, and she did quit.

It was at a Chistmas party held jointly be two agencies a couple of years ago. It was her first night and it was obvious she was distraught.

I sat down with her and talked it out logically with her. The pros and cons of it. Making no decisions or even suggesting anything but allowing her to work though it in her own mind and draw her own conclusions. Just acting as a sounding board and putting certain things I am aware of about the business out there for her consideration.

She decided it wasn't for her. I commended her on making, what was for her, a wise decision.

Last I heard she still was out of the business and had signed up for classes at Rutgers.

badz1

12-08-2003, 04:01 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by TC123
Now you're asking ME whether or not YOU said something. Please keep your own posts straight.
if you can't read a reply then don't try to reply the replly. let me make it realy clear and simple to you so that you can understand. "did i say you have to?" = no i did not say you have to. is that clear to you now??? if you thought that was a legit question to you and that i want an answer from you on that, then you are dumber than i thought. can you count to 4, instead of 123 and not try to put words in my keyboard??

[QUOTE]Originally posted by TC123
Fine. But if you post it a second time, try to remember it so you don't have to ask later whether or not you said it.
oh don't worry bout me. worry bout yourself first.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by TC123
Would a brick wall help you remember what you said?
help me??? hardly.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by TC123
So if Slinky changes the title of the thread to something YOU approve of, everything will be all right? Should everyone who starts a thread have to get your approval on what to title it?
again, stop putting words in other people's reply. did i say everyone have to get my approval first? oh wait, i can't answer your question with a question, that is too hard for you to understand. let me make it simple. no, i said i have a problem with the title. THAT is totally different than saying everyone have to get my approval.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by TC123
Or should people actually read the thread before forming an opinion?
that is your words, not mine. remember that!!!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by TC123
Actually if you keep reading his posts, instead of racking your brain trying to remember what you said, you'd discover that is exactly what happened. BTW, to refresh your memory, THIS is what you said: First you complained he wasn't paying her enough for sex. Now that he's explained he isn't paying her for sex, and there is no evidence she's still in the business, with him or anyone else, you're complaining about the title of the thread. You want him to pay her more and stop paying her at the same time. A brick wall may not have a better memory than you, but at least a brick wall doesn't change his story.

take your own advise and go back and read his story, and then read his explaination later on that $50 for sex part. i already told him that that is not what he posted the first time (or at least, he left that part out of his story the first time). a NON-BRICK wall mind will assumed that he was paying her $50 weekly to have sex when reading his first story. of course, you didn't register any of the stuffs that you read, and make up story and drawn your own conclusions of what other people say. in this case, i am done with you total clueless 123.

vermeer

12-08-2003, 04:03 AM

"Bitch, give me ALL yo money!"

FlipMo, please tell me you live in a basement with cardboard cutouts of celebrities, and a late-night tv show set. You know, like Rupert Pupkin?

This story is the best bullshit I've read on this board.

vermeer

12-08-2003, 04:06 AM

On second thought, I'd REALLY like to help your friend get out of this big, bad, dangerous business.

What did you say her phone number was?

I'd like to give her a few $$ so she can get her life together.

You did say, bitch swallow, right?

badz1

12-08-2003, 08:24 AM

Originally posted by TC123
You want him to pay her more and stop paying her at the same time. A brick wall may not have a better memory than you, but at least a brick wall doesn't change his story.

oh one more thing, so we both agreed that YOU are a brick wall. let me spell it out really simple for you so that you don't have to go back and re-read and put more words in my posts.
#1) if one is going to convinced a girl new to the business to leave the business (as in the title of this thread), then stop paying her $ for sex, because that's keeping her in the business.
#2) if one is going to helped a girl new to the business to leave the business (also as in the title of this thread), then stop taking advantage of the girl and pay her the $ that she deserves. and yes, in my opinion, $50 for fs, mutiple cups in these days are not fair for the girls wheather or not she wants to leave the business. but that's just my opionion.

so understand this "total clueless"... you can't pay a girl more money and stop paying her at the same time

Jack_Maehoffer

12-08-2003, 10:18 AM

Flip, I have tried to assist a gal, I'm sure you have read about it in the past. The only thing was she was not grateful in the least, when I found out she was using me for her self preservation. Anyway "God Bless" kindness is a wisdom that too few posess in the world. I have hardened a bit, but can not change who I am..

BigMadM

12-08-2003, 10:57 AM

hey thorn, I love your new title.

FlipMo

12-08-2003, 12:55 PM

Originally posted by vermeer
"Bitch, give me ALL yo money!"

FlipMo, please tell me you live in a basement with cardboard cutouts of celebrities, and a late-night tv show set. You know, like Rupert Pupkin?

This story is the best bullshit I've read on this board. Now why would I make up such a story? I told this story in hopes that anybody else might have had a similar experience and would like to share as I have done. This happened to me about a couple of months ago and I've shared this story in person with a couple of our fellow mongers that you might know of and they can vouch for my integrity that I am not one to make up a story just for everyone's amusement. Everyone is free to form their own opinions as you clearly have done.

FlipMo

FlipMo

12-08-2003, 01:01 PM

Originally posted by Thorn
Once, and she did quit.

It was at a Chistmas party held jointly be two agencies a couple of years ago. It was her first night and it was obvious she was distraught.

I sat down with her and talked it out logically with her. The pros and cons of it. Making no decisions or even suggesting anything but allowing her to work though it in her own mind and draw her own conclusions. Just acting as a sounding board and putting certain things I am aware of about the business out there for her consideration.

She decided it wasn't for her. I commended her on making, what was for her, a wise decision.

Last I heard she still was out of the business and had signed up for classes at Rutgers. Thanks for sharing your experience Thorn!

Thorn

12-08-2003, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by BigMadM
hey thorn, I love your new title.

Yes, well...

Thorn

12-08-2003, 01:04 PM

Uniformitarian sounds like something that ought to be hanging out with the ompa-lumpas over at Willie Wanka's place.

:D

jseah

12-08-2003, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by FlipMo
Now why would I make up such a story? I told this story in hopes that anybody else might have had a similar experience and would like to share as I have done. This happened to me about a couple of months ago and I've shared this story in person with a couple of our fellow mongers that you might know of and they can vouch for my integrity that I am not one to make up a story just for everyone's amusement. Everyone is free to form their own opinions as you clearly have done.

FlipMo

Way back in 1985 or 1986, I was driving through Manhattan after visiting my sister in NJ, heading back home to LI. I passed a group of WOC SW's standing out in the cold and what caught my eye was one really cute, blond, white girl who couldn't have looked more than 15 or 16 and looked clearly out of place and a little frightened. That image has haunted me since then.

Captain Kirk

12-08-2003, 01:47 PM

I was with a travelling first time provider once. I was like her 5th guy. In between round 1 and round 2 we got to talking. She was short on cash, decided to give this a try and didn't think this was right for her. I told her that she should call up her 'boss' after I leave and say she's sick and go home.

She did so .... but not until after we had sex again :-)

Cat_Ballou

12-08-2003, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by FlipMo
Now why would I make up such a story? I told this story in hopes that anybody else might have had a similar experience and would like to share as I have done. This happened to me about a couple of months ago and I've shared this story in person with a couple of our fellow mongers that you might know of and they can vouch for my integrity that I am not one to make up a story just for everyone's amusement. Everyone is free to form their own opinions as you clearly have done.

FlipMo FlipMo, since his UG debut, Vermeer has never referred to providers as anything but "sperm-suckers and ho's," and talked very cold-bloodedly about how hard it is, "turning these 'ho's out..." He obviously wouldn't help any provider, under any circumstances, and probably not any civilian woman, either, without demanding a sexual price from her. Generosity of spirit is not in his repertoire, and he seems to despise women generally. Ignore him, and keep on trying to do the right thing, even if you're not sure what that is sometimes...

It is appreciated...

TC123

12-08-2003, 03:14 PM

Originally posted by badz1
[QUOTE]Originally posted by TC123
Now you're asking ME whether or not YOU said something. Please keep your own posts straight.
if you can't read a reply then don't try to reply the replly.

I have no idea what the fuck you just said.

Originally posted by badz1
[ let me make it realy clear and simple to you so that you can understand.

Thank you!

Originally posted by badz1
[QUOTE]
"did i say you have to?" = no i did not say you have to. is that clear to you now??? if you thought that was a legit question to you and that i want an answer from you on that, then you are dumber than i thought. can you count to 4, instead of 123 and not try to put words in my keyboard??

That's clear and simple? Go back to talking jibberish.

Originally posted by badz1
[QUOTE]
Fine. But if you post it a second time, try to remember it so you don't have to ask later whether or not you said it.

oh don't worry bout me. worry bout yourself first. [/B]

I do. YOU, on the other hand are worrying about 2 consenting adults who are happy as pigs in shit, even though it has nothing to do with you, it doesn't measure up to your oh-so-important approval.

Originally posted by badz1
Would a brick wall help you remember what you said?
help me??? hardly. [/B]

I think a brick wall could do you a world of good. Try running into it head first a few times. Then go re-read your "clear and simple" post. See if it makes sense.

Originally posted by badz1
So if Slinky changes the title of the thread to something YOU approve of, everything will be all right? Should everyone who starts a thread have to get your approval on what to title it?
again, stop putting words in other people's reply. did i say everyone have to get my approval first? oh wait, i can't answer your question with a question, that is too hard for you to understand. [/B]

If you're going to argue with yourself, and lose both sides of the argument, I'll get out of your way.

Originally posted by badz1
let me make it simple.

Here we go again.

Originally posted by badz1
no, i said i have a problem with the title. THAT is totally different than saying everyone have to get my approval.

OK.

Originally posted by badz1
Or should people actually read the thread before forming an opinion?
that is your words, not mine. remember that!!! [/B]

Yes, it was my words that people should actually read threads. Of course I should have specified that it was only meant for people with the ability to read. So I guess you're off the hook here.

Originally posted by badz1
Actually if you keep reading his posts, instead of racking your brain trying to remember what you said, you'd discover that is exactly what happened. BTW, to refresh your memory, THIS is what you said: First you complained he wasn't paying her enough for sex. Now that he's explained he isn't paying her for sex, and there is no evidence she's still in the business, with him or anyone else, you're complaining about the title of the thread. You want him to pay her more and stop paying her at the same time. A brick wall may not have a better memory than you, but at least a brick wall doesn't change his story.

take your own advise and go back and read his story, and then read his explaination later on that $50 for sex part. i already told him that that is not what he posted the first time (or at least, he left that part out of his story the first time). a NON-BRICK wall mind will assumed that he was paying her $50 weekly to have sex when reading his first story. of course, you didn't register any of the stuffs that you read, and make up story and drawn your own conclusions of what other people say. [/B]

Are you sure that brick wall can't do you any good?

Originally posted by badz1
in this case, i am done with you total clueless 123.

Promise? Thanks!

TC123

12-08-2003, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by badz1
oh one more thing,

I thought you said you were done with me. it didn't take long for you to reverse yourself yet again, did it?

Originally posted by badz1
so we both agreed that YOU are a brick wall.

No that was the other voice in your head - the one you keep arguing with.

Originally posted by badz1
let me spell it out really simple for you

Yet again, you're going to simplify. Just like you're done with me.

Originally posted by badz1
so that you don't have to go back and re-read and put more words in my posts.

Believe me, no one wants MORE words in your posts. The ones you have don't even form coherent sentences.

Originally posted by badz1

#1) if one is going to convinced a girl new to the business to leave the business (as in the title of this thread), then stop paying her $ for sex, because that's keeping her in the business.

For the 3,719th time, he DID stop paying her. You bitched that he wasn't paying her enough. At the top of this post you said one MORE thing. You keep posting and misunderstanding the same thing.

Originally posted by badz1

#2)

See, here's where you fucked up yet again. If you say, "one more thing", there shouldn't be a #2. And you asked whether I knew how to count.

Originally posted by badz1

if one is going to helped a girl new to the business to leave the business (also as in the title of this thread), then stop taking advantage of the girl and pay her the $ that she deserves.

See your own #1. How much should he pay? I realize that since you can't count to 2, you probably don't know any numbers like that.

Originally posted by badz1
and yes, in my opinion, $50 for fs, mutiple cups in these days are not fair for the girls wheather or not she wants to leave the business.

According to you, he's allowed to pay more than $50 or less than $50, just not $50. And apparently not free. If she LEAVES the business, how much should she get paid? You seem to be arguing that a women who does NOT sell it, should be paid MORE. Dude, please give the brick wall a try.

Originally posted by badz1
but that's just my opionion.

Really, I thought it was gospel.

Originally posted by badz1

so understand this "total clueless"... you can't pay a girl more money and stop paying her at the same time

Now there are four of you, arguing both sides, front and back. Which of the four was done with me?

justbill_redux

12-08-2003, 05:46 PM

My memory is a little foggy on the details and the exact verbiage but about 15 years ago I frequented the brothel ran by Francis whose been talked about on UG, anyway 1 day I go over and Francis tells me she has a new girl named Rose, new to the business and I could be her first customer/client/trick. I say what the hell, Rose comes out beautiful Latina, petite, rose tattoo on her stomach, great body and nervous. We go into the bedroom, undress and she tells me I’m the first guy to pay her for sex and shes very very nervous about the whole sex for pay thing. Now I’m starting to have major doubts about this encounter and tell her if shes unsure both of us would feel better if we stopped right here, but she took my dick in her mouth and started the session. After we finish we talk about it and I tell her that not all guys are as easygoing as I am, very general but true statement, and that “this” can be a rough business. On my next visit to Francis later that week Rose is gone.

Daniel_NYC

12-09-2003, 08:10 AM

Originally posted by Cat_Ballou
FlipMo, since his UG debut, Vermeer has never referred to providers as anything but "sperm-suckers and ho's," and talked very cold-bloodedly about how hard it is, "turning these 'ho's out..." He obviously wouldn't help any provider, under any circumstances, and probably not any civilian woman, either, without demanding a sexual price from her. Generosity of spirit is not in his repertoire, and he seems to despise women generally. Ignore him, and keep on trying to do the right thing, even if you're not sure what that is sometimes...

It is appreciated...

Vermeer = MaxHardcore?

justme

12-09-2003, 08:14 AM

Originally posted by billyS
Sounds like this girl from NJ didn't have too much street smarts in the first place. And what about her parents? They didn't notice her missing for two weeks? There must be more to this story.

Yes.

Oh, and 'yes' to the title of this thread.

(Although I try not to because it's simultaneously insulting, presumptious, and hypocritial.)

justme

12-09-2003, 08:15 AM

(It's staggering to me that TC123 can somehow find the point that badz1 is trying to make 'jibberish' or otherwise difficult. Not only is it fairly clear, it seems fairly salient as well.)

danger-us

12-09-2003, 10:40 AM

jm, did you mean to say " It's staggering to me that TC123 can't somehow find the point..."?

The use of "can" and " otherwise difficult" is making it hard for me to figure where you stand on all of this mudslinging (from both sides).

(maybe I need more coffee?)

justlooking

12-09-2003, 10:49 AM

No. He means "can". He means he can't believe TC finds badz's point to be "jibberish" or otherwise difficult to understand.

danger-us

12-09-2003, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by FlipMo
She gives me a bbbjtcnqns and I give her the $50.00 that I had agreed to give her 2 weeks prior when I first picked her up. She was happy, I was happy. To this day, we still meet up about once a week to hang out and have sex, multiple cups... and still with the same price of $50.00...

Sounds like FlipMo took this girl out of the clutches of an evil pimp. By doing so, he put himself at great risk. Quite a generous deed.

Overall, I find FipMo's post to be an immensely entertaining "feel good" story. Does this mean one shouldn't critique any aspect about the post or topic? I personally think you can critique without disparaging the actual good he has done. You can give the guy his props, but still make him aware that the end result may not have been entirely as he imagines it.

The title is "Have you ever helped convince a girl new to the business to leave the business," well... that's not entirely accurate. "She gives me a bbbjtcnqns and I give her the $50.00..." we still meet up about once a week to hang out and have sex, multiple cups... and still with the same price of $50.00." That's all part of "the business."

Is FlipMo evil for having sex with her? I don't think so. But at the same time, doesn't it seem he is perhaps too weak (“OMG! I’m 69’ing a model!!!”) to truly get her completely away from the whole concept of trading flesh for cash?

Perhaps he wrote it this way to make the story seem juicier. Maybe it was just creative bravado (i.e. the superfluous "multiple cups." ) What ever the reason, it appears ("I give her the $50.00 ... She was happy, I was happy") the girl somewhat accepts or even enjoys prostitution on at least a semi-pro level.

FlipMo got this girl away from a bad pimp. He did an incredibly good deed but he shouldn't think he got her to leave "the business."

danger-us

12-09-2003, 11:58 AM

I want top clarify something. I think FlipMo may be too weakened (by the accessibility of easy sex) to truly get her away from the concept of trading flesh for cash. I don't say that as an insult. You do what you can do. Until he gets castrated, the little guy will always get his say.

I just hope this girl doesn't end up whoring because she feels she has no other options. ("and still with the same price of $50.00 which she’s happy to get from me since she currently has no other source of income except for the savings she has from past modeling gigs")

danger-us

12-09-2003, 12:03 PM

Originally posted by justlooking
No. He means "can". He means he can't believe TC finds badz's point to be "jibberish" or otherwise difficult to understand.

Thanks. I see it now.

justlooking

12-09-2003, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by danger-us
I want top clarify something. I think FlipMo may be too weakened (by the accessibility of easy sex) to truly get her away from the concept of trading flesh for cash. I don't say that as an insult. You do what you can do. Until he gets castrated, the little guy will always get his say.

This is a really great point.

I once helped/encouraged someone with whom I was having fabulously fantastically great sex to get out of The Life (INCLUDING ME) and I alternatively felt smug and like the biggest moron who ever worked the face of the earth.

Originally posted by danger-us
I just hope this girl doesn't end up whoring because she feels she has no other options. ("and still with the same price of $50.00 which sheÂ’s happy to get from me since she currently has no other source of income except for the savings she has from past modeling gigs")

This is something that made no sense to me.

I mean, who would do ANYTHING they didn't want to do for $50? I think most of us would barely walk two blocks out of our way for $50. If she really needs cash, $50 a week -- or even a day -- isn't gonna make any difference to her at all. So if that part is true, there must be something more going on there.

danger-us

12-09-2003, 01:07 PM

Consider that
1) she seems quite naïve
2) her introduction to the business was working as a slave for a pimp. (less than $50, I'm sure)
3) she still has no money and may become deperate.

I hope she is not that desperate. Remember, FlipMo made a point about how she had no sources of income to speak of. Who knows what's really going on. I would hope nobody does things they don't want to do for such little money, yet it happens all the time.

Cat_Ballou

12-09-2003, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by justlooking
I mean, who would do ANYTHING they didn't want to do for $50? I think most of us would barely walk two blocks out of our way for $50. If she really needs cash, $50 a week -- or even a day -- isn't gonna make any difference to her at all. So if that part is true, there must be something more going on there. Are you kidding? When you're seriously broke, $50 is a king's ransom...

I've been there, and not all that long ago, either: walking thirteen miles (roundtrip) once a week for three months to go to a writing class (having sold various items to pay for the course), to save money on my MetroCard; clipping coupons and going to half-a-dozen different grocery stores to save money; never being less than a month behind on everything...

I found a $20 bill on the sidewalk once and burst into tears, I was so grateful for it...

justlooking

12-09-2003, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by danger-us
Consider that
1) she seems quite naï¶¥
2) her introduction to the business was working as a slave for a pimp. (less than $50, I'm sure)
3) she still has no money and may become deperate.

I hope she is not that desperate. Remember, FlipMo made a point about how she had no sources of income to speak of. Who knows what's really going on. I would hope nobody does things they don't want to do for such little money, yet it happens all the time.

Depends what you mean by "doing things they don't want to for so little money".

Sure, I've been to venues where $50 (and under) blow jobs are the norm. But the women there do LOTS of them. If they were getting $50 a night, they wouldn't bother to show up.

Here, FlipMo is saying this woman views the $50 she gets for spending several hours at a time with him as her sole source of income. That's what doesn't make sense. Even a former pimped-out slave would have to see, once she was released, that her daily expenses far exceed $50.

justlooking

12-09-2003, 01:21 PM

Captain Kirk

12-09-2003, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by justlooking
If that's so, I'm wrong. Thanks. Just shows that some of us live in a different world. We wonder why someone would shoot someone to get the $200 in their wallet? Jeeze, here's a thousand, don't shoot me.

jseah

12-09-2003, 01:40 PM

Originally posted by Cat_Ballou
Are you kidding? When you're seriously broke, $50 is a king's ransom...

I've been there, and not all that long ago, either: walking thirteen miles (roundtrip) once a week for three months to go to a writing class (having sold various items to pay for the course), to save money on my MetroCard; clipping coupons and going to half-a-dozen different grocery stores to save money; never being less than a month behind on everything...

I found a $20 bill on the sidewalk once and burst into tears, I was so grateful for it...

That reminds me of a girl I knew when I was in grad school. She was studying for her undergrad degree and basically lived on financial aid, which after paying for rent, tuition and books, didn't leave much left. For the year from the time we met until she met and married an AF recruiter, I helped her out by picking up the tab for her groceries every week.

And no, I never slept with her........

(and it's not like I was swimming in money either, working full time and maintaining a full time night class schedule......but it helped since I was still living at home and did not have to pay rent)

Cat_Ballou

12-09-2003, 01:43 PM

You're a mensch, jseah...

jseah

12-09-2003, 01:49 PM

is that a good thing.....or a bad thing????

Cat_Ballou

12-09-2003, 01:52 PM

It's an excellent thing, sweetie; it means you're a good man...

jseah

12-09-2003, 02:13 PM

oh good.....for a second there I thought you were calling me a sucker for a cute girl with a sob story.

Cat_Ballou

12-09-2003, 02:26 PM

Oh, right, as though I'd ever say something like that, LOL. You should know me better than that by now...

(I'm sure, however, that someone else around here will call you that, but you gotta stick to your principles...)

badz1

12-09-2003, 02:37 PM

Originally posted by justme
(It's staggering to me that TC123 can somehow find the point that badz1 is trying to make 'jibberish' or otherwise difficult. Not only is it fairly clear, it seems fairly salient as well.)

*relieved sigh* there is intelligent life form on UG after all...

TC123

12-09-2003, 02:55 PM

Originally posted by badz1
i am done with you

Great!

Originally posted by badz1
there is intelligent life form on UG after all...

Apparently you don't know what done is. Ask your other half.

badz1

12-09-2003, 05:48 PM

there is this one loser in my office, whom no one really pay attention to. but that loser is always craving for attention. even when my colleague and i are having interlectual conversation among ourselves, he always had to stick his nose in and thinks that people are talking to him. LOL.

eventually he would go away, and we just laughed at his sorry loser ass behind his back.

danger-us

12-10-2003, 07:35 AM

This thread has veered back into a constructive conversation. I hope it doesn't revert to senseless name calling.

justme

12-10-2003, 10:29 AM

You're a moron D-U.

($50 is plenty. I'd certainly walk 2 blocks for $50 (JL should do it for the excercise... But I think you'd have to be pretty desperate to sell yourself for $50 when you could just as easily sell yourself for $250.)

justlooking

12-10-2003, 11:15 AM

I guess my poorly-expressed point was supposed to be that it's not just desperate. It's illogical.

(I mean, even a pimp-slave must have some idea that these services are worth more than that.)

So, I guess my point was, if FlipMo was telling the truth, something else, other than desperation, must be going on.

BigMadM

12-10-2003, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by Cat_Ballou
Are you kidding? When you're seriously broke, $50 is a king's ransom...

I've been there, and not all that long ago, either: walking thirteen miles (roundtrip) once a week for three months to go to a writing class (having sold various items to pay for the course), to save money on my MetroCard; clipping coupons and going to half-a-dozen different grocery stores to save money; never being less than a month behind on everything...

Once last year in some thread, Hvb was commenting on the type of mistress, or sugar daddy situation some of us look for. Noting particularly, that I dig the young Hispanic girls of Queens or Bklyn, and that they didnt know from Prada or Chang Undergarments, and that they just needed some old fool like me to pay the rent and satisfy their monthly nut.
Cat, you would have been ripe for the picking if I met you during this period of your life. Then again, only if you were 23 and dark skinnned, the way I prefer my Latin women.
IF I cant exploit a girl whos incredibly desperate, whos left?

justme

12-10-2003, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by justlooking
I guess my poorly-expressed point was supposed to be that it's not just desperate. It's illogical.

There was a type in my earlier post (a missing parenthesis), but essentially I was trying to say just that.

danger-us

12-10-2003, 01:07 PM

Originally posted by justlooking
(I mean, even a pimp-slave must have some idea that these services are worth more than that.)

So, I guess my point was, if FlipMo was telling the truth, something else, other than desperation, must be going on.

Don't over-estimate anyone's ability to use sound logic when: young, naive, from a broken home, on drugs, afraid, confused, abused...

I wouldn't be surprised if there there is something else going on with FlipMo's SW-turned-semi-pro, but there really are a lot of lost souls out there.

TC123

12-10-2003, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by badz1
there is this one loser in my office, whom no one really pay attention to. but that loser is always craving for attention. even when my colleague and i are having interlectual conversation among ourselves, he always had to stick his nose in and thinks that people are talking to him. LOL.

eventually he would go away, and we just laughed at his sorry loser ass behind his back.

Yeah, I'm sure you're the coolest, most intellectual guy at the unemployment office. And I'm sure the others aren't laughing at you - they're laughing near you.

TC123

12-10-2003, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by justlooking
I guess my poorly-expressed point was supposed to be that it's not just desperate. It's illogical.

(I mean, even a pimp-slave must have some idea that these services are worth more than that.)

So, I guess my point was, if FlipMo was telling the truth, something else, other than desperation, must be going on.

I think it's possible she may be grateful that he got her out of that situation, gave her a hot shower, fed her, clothed her, etc. Is that really out of the question?

Cat_Ballou

12-10-2003, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by BigMadM
Cat, you would have been ripe for the picking if I met you during this period of your life. Then again, only if you were 23 and dark skinnned, the way I prefer my Latin women. I know, BMM; it just wasn't meant to be. And sadly, we can't even say, "We'll always have Paris..." Oh, well...

;-)

badz1

12-10-2003, 04:06 PM

today, this poor loser in my office is till trying to converse with us while non of us are talking to him at all. then he would try so hard to mack with our cute asian secretary. but as soon as he opened his mouth, she knew he's got no game because what came out of his mouth were nothing but non sense.

later that day, our new intern showed up for his first day at office. and who's the first one to show our new intern the in and out?? you guess it... THE LOSER. i guess because no one really pay much attention to him, he figured that a new intern would have more respect for him. but after few hours with him, the new intern knew that the seniority has nothing to do with a person's intelligence. thus once again, no one pay any attention to him.

then during the office meeting in the afternoon, he always had to comment on something which aren't really constructive to the meeting agenda. do you know what i'm talking about, people? kinda like echoing "yeah that's a good point you just made"... or "good job john".... or "yeah that's a good idea and i was just thinking the same"... nothing really constructive at all. quite frankly, none of us understand why he's in the meeting at all.

anyway, after work, people were heading out to some bar for happy hour, and all you can hear from the distance was
"hey, don't forget about me!!!"....
"hey you guys, can i come?"....
"can anyone tell me where this place is? and how do i get in?"....
"how cheap is the beer? because i only drink cheap beer, the cheaper the better"....

of course no one give a shit. it just makes me laugh behind his sorry ass once again.

Captain Kirk

12-11-2003, 03:24 AM

Originally posted by badz1
today, this poor loser in my office is till trying to converse with us while non of us are talking to him at all. then he would try so hard to mack with our cute asian secretary. but as soon as he opened his mouth, she knew he's got no game because what came out of his mouth were nothing but non sense.

later that day, our new intern showed up for his first day at office. and who's the first one to show our new intern the in and out?? you guess it... THE LOSER. i guess because no one really pay much attention to him, he figured that a new intern would have more respect for him. but after few hours with him, the new intern knew that the seniority has nothing to do with a person's intelligence. thus once again, no one pay any attention to him.

then during the office meeting in the afternoon, he always had to comment on something which aren't really constructive to the meeting agenda. do you know what i'm talking about, people? kinda like echoing "yeah that's a good point you just made"... or "good job john".... or "yeah that's a good idea and i was just thinking the same"... nothing really constructive at all. quite frankly, none of us understand why he's in the meeting at all.

anyway, after work, people were heading out to some bar for happy hour, and all you can hear from the distance was
"hey, don't forget about me!!!"....
"hey you guys, can i come?"....
"can anyone tell me where this place is? and how do i get in?"....
"how cheap is the beer? because i only drink cheap beer, the cheaper the better"....

of course no one give a shit. it just makes me laugh behind his sorry ass once again.
Gee, you sound like a nice guy. I wonder what the other folks in the office say about you.

badz1

12-11-2003, 03:57 AM

Originally posted by Captain Kirk
Gee, you sound like a nice guy. I wonder what the other folks in the office say about you.

i'm NOT a nice guy. nice guy always finish last.

justme

12-11-2003, 05:48 AM

Originally posted by badz1
i'm NOT a nice guy. nice guy always finish last.

Damn.

Cat_Ballou

12-11-2003, 06:29 AM

Originally posted by justme
Damn. DOn't worry. It's not true...

badz1

12-11-2003, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by Cat_Ballou
DOn't worry. It's not true...
you're right. guys with viagra finish last. nice guys finish second to last.

betty_snj

12-12-2003, 07:23 AM

Originally posted by FlipMo
Do you mean Guido the Killer Pimp? I did pick her up in my daddy's Porsche.

FlipMo

funny that no one commented on this little gem.

It tells me, IF is true, that he's around 19 early 20's, "I think I know everything" young lads.
And that maybe "Mary" is playing him around....hummm a young boy driving his daddy car, picking sw? Perfect target for a little milking, in more ways than one.
50 bucks is not enough for anything these days...come on, how can you live with 7 dollars and change "a day"?
Some women has the ability to make a sob story their main sourceof income....from various white knights who thinks they are "saving" when in fact they are being "used".

jseah

12-12-2003, 08:27 AM

Originally posted by betty_snj
funny that no one commented on this little gem.

It tells me, IF is true, that he's around 19 early 20's, "I think I know everything" young lads.
And that maybe "Mary" is playing him around....hummm a young boy driving his daddy car, picking sw? Perfect target for a little milking, in more ways than one.
50 bucks is not enough for anything these days...come on, how can you live with 7 dollars and change "a day"?
Some women has the ability to make a sob story their main sourceof income....from various white knights who thinks they are "saving" when in fact they are being "used".

uhhhh......betty......he was going along with the references to the movie "Risky Business".......

badz1

12-12-2003, 08:34 AM

Originally posted by betty_snj
It tells me, IF is true, that he's around 19 early 20's
in the other thread about "first time experience", according to flipmo's own post, his first time with sw was at age 16, and it was 15 or 16 years ago... so you do the math.

betty_snj

12-12-2003, 10:07 AM

Originally posted by badz1
in the other thread about "first time experience", according to flipmo's own post, his first time with sw was at age 16, and it was 15 or 16 years ago... so you do the math.

and...at 32 he still live with his parents?

justme

12-12-2003, 11:16 AM

Originally posted by betty_snj
and...at 32 he still live with his parents?

Quite common in some cultures (and very common in other countries).

FlipMo

12-12-2003, 02:02 PM

Yeah ok ok, I moved back in with the parental figures, but only on the insistance of my parents. After high school, I moved away to go to college. After I graduated with my 2 year degree I decided to continue my education in Florida to obtain my 4 year degree. After graduating from that University, I stayed in Florida for an addtional 11+ years where I worked and various managerial positions in the Hotel and Restaurant fields. But, since I worked in an area known to be "seasonal" (during the summer months everything would slow down big time) that and the fact I lived on the beach where the rent for my apartment would rival some apartments in NYC, I would be living paycheck to paycheck, but at least I would be living on my own. Not being able to save money was one of the reasons I moved back to NY. Even my friends in NY (most of whom are still living with their parents and siblings) have asked me why dont I just move back to NY. It wasnt an easy decision to move back, believe me. After living on my own for 15 years (college included) it was a hard decision to make.

Alot of children from Filipino families (as well as Italian families, so I've heard) live with their parents (and sometimes grandparents) in the same house for years and years with no intention of moving out and trying to make it out on their own in their own house/apartment. I have cousins older than me that have NEVER ventured out on their own. The only time I've had cousins move out would be when they got married. And even then, my aunt and uncle would invite their son/daughter-in-law to live with them after their son/daughter got married.

Yes, you lose alot of the freedom when you move back home. But if your parents are as supportive as mine are, then moving back home isnt such a big of a deal as one would make it out to be.

FlipMo