Julies Raided By LE? [Archive]

Richardrzhpippin

11-09-2003, 02:39 AM

Originally posted by nabbeun
i'm curious as to what "almost raided" could possibly be.

kinda like being "almost pregnant" or "mostly dead"

Lets see.....how would this work" Maybe something like this

"After unduring twenty minutes of Marylins sucking, slurping, moaning and bi-polar groaning....undercover LE announces he no has requisite "physical" evidence left that any crime was committed on the premises....promises to return on Monday for a session with one of the girls who only "spits out."....LOL....

Zep51

11-09-2003, 06:25 AM

I guess-my first concern-is that you "heard some kind of rumor". First off, many rumors are not true. Secondly, what is meant by "some kind of rumor?" Third, and most important-who was the rumor heard from-reliable or not reliable source?

I am lost with the statement "raided or almost raided". Big difference between the two-no?

neilz

11-09-2003, 07:59 AM

Maybe it is like being almost pregnant. Close but no cigar.

Zep51

11-09-2003, 09:32 AM

I believe what need to do-is differentiate between rumor and fact. Rumors at time can be endless, and have little credibility. Facts are facts.

T&Ainsp.

11-09-2003, 09:38 PM

Well if anyone on UG belongs to Julies members only on her website you will all notice that Marilyns forum is gone and all the posts about her place getting raided are all deleted.Marilyn was there the night it happened and she was somehow involved from what all those posts stated.Coincidence there's no schedule posted for this coming week either.I hope nothing bad happened to Julie.

Daniel_NYC

11-10-2003, 04:21 AM

This can't be true.
All of us already know that Julie's has never been busted.

JackT

11-10-2003, 05:14 AM

Originally posted by T&Ainsp.
Well if anyone on UG belongs to Julies members only on her website you will all notice that Marilyns forum is gone and all the posts about her place getting raided are all deleted.Marilyn was there the night it happened and she was somehow involved from what all those posts stated.Coincidence there's no schedule posted for this coming week either.I hope nothing bad happened to Julie.

For those who read the deleted posts... what did they say?

vaddarker

11-10-2003, 08:11 AM

no raid
seems like 'almostraidthatwasnt' about covers it
and yea, M is out

v

Matthew

11-10-2003, 08:34 AM

Julie explained it....
"Guys, Saturday we were going on as usual when 3 unanounced guys knocked at the door and of course we closed ASAP becuase we did not know who the hell they were. We just went into our security mode and had everyone sit still till they left and then just closed for the day. Please understand that when you come to the door and you do not have an appointment you are really causing a terrible situation. It frightened all of us and we had to just close the doors for the day. "

I wonder who the guys were... did she open the door for them and what was Marylin so freaked about? Did she get arrested or something?

Cloud Nine

11-10-2003, 09:31 AM

Maybe it was the Anti-Julie Goon Squad?

hot4chicks

11-10-2003, 11:26 AM

Probably Ghost Busters.

FlipMo

11-10-2003, 01:20 PM

Jehova's Witnesses?

AirTraveler

11-10-2003, 01:56 PM

Maybe the God Squad.

NOYL

11-10-2003, 01:58 PM

Moe, Larry and Curly?

Zep51

11-10-2003, 02:01 PM

Glad to see that rumor-mill got cleared up. Guys-lets shot with the facts next time.

zoulou

11-10-2003, 06:40 PM

Sticking with the facts is a good policy.

Only someone who was actually there should report something like that. Nothing happened except that the place closed down for the rest of the days because 3 guys showed up unannouced. probably made a lot guys and gals unhappy.

dstar

11-11-2003, 06:39 AM

I started this so I will clear it up.

It appears that the visitors Saturday may have been potential robbers not cops. They are really not sure who they are so Julies did the smart thing in my opinion. With that said.

1)
I was only posing a question. I never said she got raided. My post said there were cops at the door and Marilyn and I were in the room afraid. I decided to pose a general question as to what to do. I put it on THIS board so that we would all know what to do. THAT'S ALL I WAS DOING. Julie's is the best house in the city. Why would I want to mess that up!!!!

2)
I was told that there were cops outside. Then 3 unknown gents showed up. So to me I thought there were 2 things going on. 1st uniformed officers, then undercovers. It turns out that was false.

3)
I posted this in Julies board only!! How this gets all over the web is simple. JULIE HAS SOME BASTARD ON THIS BOARD SHE CAN'T TRUST !!! How else would this get all over the place. Either someone on the board is spreading rumors without getting the facts OR someone is purposely sabotaging her for the competition.

I posted this on her board just so that all of us clients would know what to do the next time and not do anything stupid to get the place busted. Again that's all I was doing !!! She's operating as normal and I think just shutting down for the day was the right thing to do.

Julie, on a personal note, you should know I would never try to mess you up. I've been coming there for years!!! You have to understand that I thought they were cops so I just wanted to know what to do the next time. I never intended for this to be all over the place. I thought I was only posting to the guys on this board and I trusted the information would stay here. Obviously, I'm naive to this and I'm very sorry.

To the guys:
You should know that it turned out to be nothing and Julie's is business as usual. The place is probably more safer now than before.

dstar

11-11-2003, 06:41 AM

11-11-2003, 08:27 AM

Julie said it herself. I hope this clears it up.
---Until we know what and who they were we are not using that location. I would rather close the house down before taking any chances and this I mean. Who ever they were they did not say anything about being LE and they did not do anything but knock at our door. ---

---Thank YOu , yes it is just the thing UG would love to run with but in this case they are running without the ball. Yes a couple guys came and knocked on the door and no we did not answer but we had everyone quiet and stay camlm and they left. They may have been guys who were given our address or what ever in any case we took no chances and shut down for the day. Who ever they were I hope to hell they know that they screwed up business. ---

I'll say this just once...

ANYONE who listens to and believes any madam and whatever excuses she makes to cover up something negative about her place of business (an LE bust) is a complete and utter moron... please don't spread your stupidity over here.

If terrorists finally decided to hit us where it hurts (by taking out our favorite brothels) and placed a low yield nuke in Julies.... She'd probably be on her board the very next day claiming it was just a very loud firecracker.

It's already apparent that Julie is now gearing up for another war with April (and UG, since she's seems to already be taking shots at UG) if the above comments are hers and are accurate.

For christ sakes Julie… April hasn’t even opened her new place yet! Aren't there enough dicks in NYC to go around.

So who threw the first stone this time?

justlooking

11-11-2003, 08:39 AM

Well, it looks like this trolled-out thread finally had its intended effect.

justme

11-11-2003, 08:41 AM

How many more posts do you give it?

Dondee

11-11-2003, 08:42 AM

Originally posted by justme
How many more posts do you give it?

How many licks to the totsie roll middle?

justlooking

11-11-2003, 08:43 AM

I don't think it's gonna take this time. I think everybody's too bored with it.

occasionalhobbyist

11-11-2003, 08:44 AM

Who the hell is dstar?

nycguy1967

11-11-2003, 08:48 AM

Originally posted by occasionalhobbyist
Who the hell is dstar?

Hey he has TWO WHOLE POSTS - - I trust him implicitly

TC123

11-11-2003, 08:48 AM

Originally posted by VV

So who threw the first stone this time?

If memory serves, it was Ozzy, back in 1974. No one knows why. Few care why. Perhaps he has a connection to one of the places.

There is no "this time". It's been one long, ongoing battle.

11-11-2003, 08:51 AM

I've done lots of things (some stupid) that I'll be the first to cop to....

Throwing a "first stone" has NEVER been one of them.

dstar is Julie. (or can't anyone else tell that those posts were written by a women).

Now everyone can sit back and blame ME for this as well (since everything else seems to get blamed on me).

Julienyc

11-11-2003, 08:54 AM

Originally posted by VV
I'll say this just once...

ANYONE who listens to and believes any madam and whatever excuses she makes to cover up something negative about her place of business (an LE bust) is a complete and utter moron... please don't spread your stupidity over here.

If terrorists finally decided to hit us where it hurts (by taking out our favorite brothels) and placed a low yield nuke in Julies.... She'd probably be on her board the very next day claiming it was just a very loud firecracker.

It's already apparent that Julie is now gearing up for another war with April (and UG, since she's seems to already be taking shots at UG) if the above comments are hers and are accurate.

For christ sakes Julie… April hasn’t even opened her new place yet! Aren't there enough dicks in NYC to go around.

So who threw the first stone this time?

NO one is throwing stones and I don't know or care anything about April or you or UG so please just leave us alone and find someone else to target for an interesting subject , there are more than enough dicks to go around , this is what I have been trying to tell you for 3 years now. We cater to our dicks and god bless anyone else who does as well. My God you think we are the only house in the city, VV there are many many houses here and if mine is knoiked off the face of the earth another one or hundreds of them will be there to take up where we all left off. This business is just what it is not some big conspiracy just a place to have fun and relax and yes if someone is knocking at our door unanounced we must let everyone know, if we were hiding it we would have said nothing. I don't have anything against you except for the attacks and threats you always make towards me and I still wish you would move on.

Cloud Nine

11-11-2003, 08:56 AM

FWIW- if ip's can be trusted, dstar is most likely not Julie

11-11-2003, 09:00 AM

Ip's can't always be trusted just because they don't match.

BTW... that was a very quick response from Julie wasn't it.

TC123

11-11-2003, 09:07 AM

Originally posted by VV
I've done lots of things (some stupid) that I'll be the first to cop to....

Throwing a "first stone" has NEVER been one of them.

1st stone, 3rd stone, 17th stone, 43rd stone, 68th stone, 126th stone... You seem more involved in this battle between the 2 providers than they are. Why? What do you care? Do you have an ownership interest in one of the places? Some other connection? If not, why does their fight hold such interest for you?

jseah

11-11-2003, 09:09 AM

Originally posted by VV
......(since everything else seems to get blamed on me).

I thought everything was being blamed on Al Queda and Saddam right now????? :D

11-11-2003, 09:15 AM

Originally posted by TC123
1st stone, 3rd stone, 17th stone, 43rd stone, 68th stone, 126th stone... You seem more involved in this battle between the 2 providers than they are. Why? What do you care? Do you have an ownership interest in one of the places? Some other connection? If not, why does their fight hold such interest for you?

Why is it of such interest to you since you choose to enter into it as well. Why do *I* hold your interest so much since you enjoy bitching about what *I* say.

So what place do I have ownership interest in now?

I simply can't stand when Julie and her shills start bad mouthing UG or anyone who dosen't drink their Kool-Aid.

Slinky Bender

11-11-2003, 09:16 AM

Originally posted by Cloud Nine
FWIW- if ip's can be trusted, dstar is most likely not Julie

Originally posted by VV
Ip's can't always be trusted just because they don't match.

But fixed IP's can be trusted enough that you can know that 3 poeple in this discusion ( the two "newest" one's, and one of the oldest one's are posting from the same fixed IP, which means that if they aren't the same person, they are still posting from the same "spot").

11-11-2003, 09:19 AM

Nuff said....

On a side note: Are we officially back now?

dstar

11-11-2003, 09:40 AM

and none of them are Julie.

;)

Darwin

11-11-2003, 09:43 AM

"Dstar" has posted essentially the same thing he posted here to the Julies internal board. These postings have since been deleted. He apparently was in a session with Marylin - who freaked totally when the problem showed up. Marylin is now a non-person and all her pictures, postings and forum have been deleted.

So what you have is a scared provider scaring the crap out of a customer who then posts all over the known universe (look for graffiti on the GWB) saying that LE/"The Mob"/Crooks etc. had raided Julie's. With NO real information. It COULD have been the Jehova's Witlesses... but what it WAS is three guys knocked unexpectedly on the door and then went away when they got no answer.

And then some over anxious employee (webmaster or someone with admin privs) went in and ripped the hell out of the forums with NO explanation of what was going on or why. This, of course, made lots of people suspect that LE was running the web site and setting up a sting, the Mob was stealing their addresses, John Ashcroft and his merry minions were going to be knocking on their door.

Then there was no comment from Julie for almost a day - which increased the level of paranoia.

It looks like a classic case of a business without a clearly thought out disaster recovery plan. I recommend that anyone running a business like this sit down and plan for the worst case. If there's a fire, do your security people know what to do? If there's a customer that gets sick or dies - what do you do? If an employee gets caught with drugs, what do you do? (You might want to pee-test them to be sure). What do you do if LE shows up? How do you keep the neighbors happy? Etc

Cloud Nine

11-11-2003, 09:44 AM

Slinky- Oh thank god youre back, can I go home now?

Cloud Nine

11-11-2003, 09:50 AM

You realize how many times I had to stave off a mutiny?

pjorourke

11-11-2003, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by Cloud Nine
Slinky- Oh thank god youre back, can I go home now?

If you go home now, you forfeit your year-end bonus.

Cloud Nine

11-11-2003, 09:55 AM

If my bonus is any pertcentage of my salary then I dont have to worry.

pswope

11-11-2003, 10:05 AM

justme

11-11-2003, 12:26 PM

1 does not make a trend.

jseah

11-11-2003, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by Cloud Nine
You realize how many times I had to stave off a mutiny?

hmmmmm.......must've just been you, Captain Bligh...:D

justme

11-11-2003, 12:32 PM

Originally posted by justme
1 does not make a trend.

4 or 5 might, WB YFH.

Cat_Ballou

11-11-2003, 12:33 PM

Originally posted by Cloud Nine
You realize how many times I had to stave off a mutiny? Nothing personal, C9, but how could you tell? Isn't mutiny always just around the bender here in Hobbyland? I keep waiting for coups that don't happen...

TC123

11-11-2003, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by VV
Why is it of such interest to you since you choose to enter into it as well.

Actually, I haven't taken a side at all? Why would I? It's none of my business. But you obviously feel the need to jump in and take a side. Why?

Originally posted by VV
Why do *I* hold your interest so much since you enjoy bitching about what *I* say.

Bitching? Please. If asking = bitching to you, then you are entirely too sensitive. You must be a liberal. Oops, wrong thread.

Originally posted by VV

So what place do I have ownership interest in now?

I have no idea. That's why I asked.

Originally posted by VV

I simply can't stand when Julie and her shills start bad mouthing UG or anyone who dosen't drink their Kool-Aid.

Once again I'll ask, "Why?" What is to you? When you take sides, you sound like a shill for one side, or just someone who lives to bash (whatever the opposite of shill is) for the other side. I'm not saying you are, that's why I asked what your interest is in taking sides in a dispute that doesn't appear to directly involve you. Unless it does directly involve you - you still haven't said.

MrSteve

11-12-2003, 08:10 AM

Sad to hear that Marliyn has left Julie's. Any info on where she will be working now? Will she become an indy? I've heard so much about her great sessions I'd like to feel I haven't missed out on a session with her.

11-12-2003, 08:32 AM

Originally posted by TC123
Actually, I haven't taken a side at all? Why would I? It's none of my business. But you obviously feel the need to jump in and take a side. Why?

1) I thought this site and others like it were here for us to get the most accurate info we could. As well as getting info that might be keeping us from getting ripped off (not that Julies does that) as well as keeping us out of harms way.

2) Who's taking sides with other compitition? Since there is no compitition mentioned in this thread (surely not April since she's not open at this time).... Who's side other than UG's am I taking..... or am I not allowed to defend this board when someone (Julie) is taking cracks at it.

Once again I'll ask, "Why?" What is to you? When you take sides, you sound like a shill for one side, or just someone who lives to bash (whatever the opposite of shill is) for the other side. I'm not saying you are, that's why I asked what your interest is in taking sides in a dispute that doesn't appear to directly involve you. Unless it does directly involve you - you still haven't said.

I don't like when people bull shit to me or anyone else and take US (that includes ME and YOU) for being stupid. I also don't like when shills (who post from ONE computer) put US (that's ME, YOU and EVERYONE else here) in harms way by lying about what goes on at places such as Julies and giving US a false sense of security by telling US that she's never been or wasn't recently busted.

Further more if Julie doesn't like this board as she has often said in the past and in her comments posted above, and accuses most of us here (including the management) of being biased against her business, than why does she waste her time coming here to post anything.

If you want my opinion... she's not an advertiser yet she garners allot of her business from this site and most of the posts that pertain to her place are usually all positive and not reviews and thus nothing but ad posts according to the rules here, and they should be deleted just like everyone else who doesn't have an ad.

btw... We have something in this country known as the "freedom of information act". If you want to know the truth about whether or not Julies was busted this past weekend, I'm almost certain that all you need do is make that request to the appropriate authorities. So there's no need to take the word of a bunch of shills (who as the APM said in this thread are all posting from the same computer or "spot") or a madam who is only thinking of her own interests.... and certainly not OURS.

BIGd

11-12-2003, 09:10 AM

take a long time.....many weeks

what is the point of reading this board if there isnt a high level of reliablity of the information that is here?

I will answer my own question: No point

11-12-2003, 09:25 AM

Originally posted by BIGd
what is the point of reading this board if there isnt a high level of reliablity of the information that is here?

I will answer my own question: No point

My point exactly.... Which is why I continuously put myself out there by trying to point out what I know is total bull shit. The problem is that allot of the bull shit comes from the same sources and establishments time and again... So it appears that I have an axe to grind.... when if they just kept their nonsense bullshit to themselves and other boards I wouldn't care.

As for the FOIA requests.. Sure it takes some time... But at least you will know WHO is spreading all the bull shit.

danger-us

11-12-2003, 10:39 AM

Originally posted by VV
... I continuously put myself out there by trying to point out what I know is total bull shit.

VV,

You try to reach more than an apple picker at harvest.

Your ability to stretch is equaled only by the most limber of yoga instructors.

Put down your apples, take a few yoga breaths and just let it go .

jmcurry

11-12-2003, 12:15 PM

FOIA requests address federal files, dossiers, and investigations. Although states are bound by them under Article 6 of the US Constitution, intervening state action can impede clarity for years. When you add to that municipal jurisdiction, you are talking about a non-effective source of information.

All told, Julie is still operating. The larger question that should concern everyone is what model can be constructed to turn the house into some other enterprise, when the knock on the door comes. It should not take all that much brainpower to develop contigencies that transform a house into something else.

All the side sniping and petty jealousies get in the way. This board is supposed to be informative and enjoyable. Working together will protect everyone. Backbiting and envy will eviserate to the same degree.

justme

11-12-2003, 12:23 PM

Holey Shit! A rational post.

Oh, it's JMCurry.

Amber-NYC

11-12-2003, 12:26 PM

I have read this board a little. Why do some of you guys argue so much about things like in this section? Don't people in business lie about bad things that happen to them? I mean we all should just be cautious.

jmcurry

11-12-2003, 12:37 PM

jm: sorry to be rational. Guess I am having a bad day. I am watching trillionaires determine how to spend their money on billiionaires.

justme

11-12-2003, 12:45 PM

mumble mumble Eddie fucking Griffin mumble mumble.

BIGd

11-12-2003, 01:07 PM

Originally posted by jmcurry
FOIA requests address federal files, dossiers, and investigations. Although states are bound by them under Article 6 of the US Constitution, intervening state action can impede clarity for years. When you add to that municipal jurisdiction, you are talking about a non-effective source of information.

State and local governments are bound by FOIA. In my business I often make such requests on State agencies and they are routinely honored. FOIA is not limited to federal agencies.

Nobody is going to bother so its moot. FOIA is PITA unless your a ****nalist without a deadline or, I suppose, a rich whoremonger with not a lot else to do.

jseah

11-12-2003, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by BIGd
....whoremonger with not a lot else to do.

I suppose that would could describe a lot of people here.

justlooking

11-12-2003, 01:15 PM

Originally posted by Amber-NYC
I have read this board a little. Why do some of you guys argue so much about things like in this section? Don't people in business lie about bad things that happen to them? I mean we all should just be cautious.

Really Amber if you're gonna keep posting here you're gonna have to stop being so reasonable.

11-12-2003, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by danger-us
VV,

You try to reach more than an apple picker at harvest.

Your ability to stretch is equaled only by the most limber of yoga instructors.

Put down your apples, take a few yoga breaths and just let it go .

I'll keep picking at all the rotten apples I see if it helps in making this place a better apple pie.

I hate yoga.

ODB

11-12-2003, 02:27 PM

I guess those threats of calling the FBI were followed through.

11-12-2003, 05:04 PM

And that's something only *I* will ever know for sure. ;)

Thorn

11-12-2003, 10:22 PM

Originally posted by VV
And that's something only *I* will ever know for sure. ;)

.

danger-us

11-13-2003, 04:06 AM

Originally posted by VV
And that's something only *I* will ever know for sure. ;)

Proud of something you should be ashamed of even suggesting? Making threats doesn't make you a big man; it doesn't make you anything. It just makes you lose the respect of any rational hobbyist.

danger-us

11-13-2003, 04:27 AM

Originally posted by jmcurry

All the side sniping and petty jealousies get in the way. This board is supposed to be informative and enjoyable. Working together will protect everyone. Backbiting and envy will eviserate to the same degree.

DITTO.

pswope

11-13-2003, 04:28 AM

Originally posted by Amber-NYC
I have read this board a little. Why do some of you guys argue so much about things like in this section? Don't people in business lie about bad things that happen to them? I mean we all should just be cautious.
Ditto to my Trini.

The whole Julie's thing is so infected by personal bias of parties on each side that even in the face of ostensibly objective information it's going to be perceived through the lens of each individual's pov. This is truly sad,but it's reality. As such,threads like this have almost no value other than to stir up trouble. That's precisely what the BFP(Bad Faith Poster),who started this thread wanted.

Amber is correct in her last 2 sentences. Guys who frequent high volume brothels need to be cognizant of the risks-including robbery and LE.

ODB

11-13-2003, 04:33 AM

Originally posted by VV
And that's something only *I* will ever know for sure. ;)

What the fuck is wrong with you

BigMadM

11-13-2003, 04:39 AM

This thread will be heading over to the coliseum shortly.
Its starting to get ugly.

occasionalhobbyist

11-13-2003, 04:45 AM

Originally posted by VV
Ip's can't always be trusted just because they don't match.

BTW... that was a very quick response from Julie wasn't it.

Especially for someone who "doesn't know or doesn't care" about UG.

occasionalhobbyist

11-13-2003, 04:49 AM

danger-us

11-13-2003, 05:14 AM

FOIA won't give you change for a dollar.

Although not officially classified as endangered, the population of Australian koalas has dropped by 90% in less than a decade!

occasionalhobbyist

11-13-2003, 05:25 AM

Originally posted by slinkybender
But fixed IP's can be trusted enough that you can know that 3 poeple in this discusion ( the two "newest" one's, and one of the oldest one's are posting from the same fixed IP, which means that if they aren't the same person, they are still posting from the same "spot").

Ooh, I love a good riddle. Let's see...

The "newest" ones, up until the APM's post (I may still call you APM, right?) are:

Matthew, Sept. 2003
FlipMo, Sept. 2003
AirTraveler, Sept. 2003
NOYL, Sept. 2003
dstar, Oct., 2003

Of this group, I suspect dstar is the one most likely to have multiple identities. The comments by FM, AT and NOYL were sort of throwaways. I note that Matthew was very helpful in passing along Julie's comments from her board. Hmmm...

The oldest ones are a little trickier.

In order of date joined, we've got

hot4chicks, Dec. 2000
justlooking, Dec. 2000
justme, Dec. 2000
Richardrzhpippin, Dec. 2000
VV, Dec. 2000
Julie, Jan 2001
zoulou, Jan. 2001
me, May 2001
nycguy1967, June 2001

Now, I know I'm not in cahoots with anyone (though it would be REALLY cool to find out that I worked in the same place as a bunch of fellow whoremongers...)

justme and justlooking were reprising their "muppet critics" routine, commenting on the action from balcony seats. Nothing unusual there.

The comments by Richard, h4c were nice and irreverent, contributing to the general humur. (Well done.)

zoulou was suggesting people stick with factual statements. nycguy made a keen observation. Neither one said anything too controversial.

That leaves Julie and VV.

Now, we have dstar (questionable credibility) stating empirically that Julie was not one of the three IPs in question. Amazing that he could know that, since (unless I'm getting slow) regular members don't have access to IP logs.

So, I've figured it out:

TC123, CloudNine and VV are the same person!!!!!!

Who would'a thunk it.

Cat_Ballou

11-13-2003, 05:32 AM

Originally posted by danger-us
Although not officially classified as endangered, the population of Australian koalas has dropped by 90% in less than a decade! Interesting attempt at thread hijacking, D-U (and God knows, this one could use a trip)...

Sorry to interrupt...

pswope

11-13-2003, 05:32 AM

Originally posted by occasionalhobbyist

So, I've figured it out:

TC123, CloudNine and VV are the same person!!!!!!

Who would'a thunk it.

You just figured that out.

(I had you pegged as one of the smarter people on here)

occasionalhobbyist

11-13-2003, 05:33 AM

I've suspected it for quite some time, but now the evidence is irrefutable.

pswope

11-13-2003, 05:36 AM

Originally posted by occasionalhobbyist
I've suspected it for quite some time, but now the evidence is irrefutable.
Your verification will likely signal the end of PMBs as we've known them.

(harks back to the quiz show scandals from the 60's)

dstar

11-13-2003, 05:40 AM

questionable credibility? Why I've never been so insulted in my life! Harrummph.

occasionalhobbyist

11-13-2003, 05:43 AM

Well played.

justme

11-13-2003, 06:56 AM

Originally posted by occasionalhobbyist
justme and justlooking were reprising their "muppet critics" routine, commenting on the action from balcony seats. Nothing unusual there.

I get to be Statler. ('cause JL does kinda look like Waldorf)

Monk

11-13-2003, 10:32 AM

Originally posted by occasionalhobbyist
Now, I know I'm not in cahoots with anyone (though it would be REALLY cool to find out that I worked in the same place as a bunch of fellow whoremongers...)

Just imagine: you could have Houston visit your office every day of the week!

occasionalhobbyist

11-13-2003, 11:31 AM

Unfortunately, I work in one of those "open" office environments designed to ensure that everyone can overhear every piece of every conversation.

Luckily, I have a "window" cube.

pjorourke

11-13-2003, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by justme
I get to be Statler. ('cause JL does kinda look like Waldorf)

Is Waldorf the shorter one with a mustache?

http://www.muppets.com/swaldorf/graphics/balcony.jpg

justme

11-13-2003, 12:10 PM

Yeah.

Julienyc

11-13-2003, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by VV
And that's something only *I* will ever know for sure. ;)

And what were you saying in your post about me not caring about putting anyone in danger on this board , it looks as though you want to take the credit and it is really not nice to do to anyone. Although you may try to blame me for things , I don't work like that. As much as I truly dislike you not the members of this board I would never consider hurting anyone not even you and I truly mean this when it comes to being a rat of any kind.

11-13-2003, 02:13 PM

Who's taking any blame...

Nothing happened... right?

And if something did happen what does everyone want me to say...... No? Like if I said that, anyone who has already made up their mind would believe me. ODB was a wise enough ass to mention it and when I give him the wise ass answer it deserved he got all twisted... Well fuck him.

All I said at the top of this thread (in my own way) was that covering up something like a bust at an establishment such as this was not in the best interest of the readers of this board. I gave the same exact advice to another madam from this board a long time ago.

And its funny how people conveniently forget just WHY I made that threat several months ago.

whitelightening

11-14-2003, 11:30 AM

I was always under the impression and told by the staff directly that they have "street" security utside on their block to cover anyproblems and they telephone any susp. activity directly to the desk person and internal security. Why did the street security NOT see the problem coming, whatever the problem was?
Next point, why would a provider with the experience and age of Marylin "freak out" regarding a knock on the door?
Was it that the knock on the door took her away, or was her client the undercover? And she was the one busted? If a bust occurred?
No one can get to the front door of Julies building especially a group with the lobby cameras, the outside street security etc watching, unless that person came in alone and had a session or began a session with Marlin and she was busted and everyone else left peacefully.
Strange that only Marlin is gone.
I have lurked that block many times when in the area and have NEVER seen anyone in a car, on the block lurking or standing around except two toothless homeless people, that could not figure out how to panhandle never the less use an alert telephone.
That is why I am firmly under the impression that there is NO street security, all a myth to lull the customers into a false sense of security.
Buyer Beware!

Zep51

11-15-2003, 05:08 AM

If you look at the first post on this thread-I believe the key is to not bring rumors to the Board. If the person that raised the initial question-had more details about the issue at hand-then they should be stated upfront right from the beginning. If we know the facts, state them. If we do not know the facts, then lets try to stall and hear the hard-cold facts before opening up a can of worms such as this one.

It has been abundantly clear through the past couple of years, that a great deal of disagreement exists between both sides. I am quite certain-that some truth, and some rumors that may possibly not be true-have been stated by both sides on the issue. I think that anyone that has read or followed this Board throughout the past few years, realize that harmony does not exist between these two sides.

As for 100% security-whether it be at Julies, J. Bradley's, or any other place-it just does not exist anywhere. What is taking place-within the confines of those walls-is going against the law. With that, exists some form of a chance of getting caught. It appears that Julies has a pretty clean record with LE through the years. So does many other places. If you speed down the highway you may get caught. If you have a radar detector it is less likely. If you have a PBA Card-is less likely. That is just the way it is.

occasionalhobbyist

11-15-2003, 05:22 AM

What's wrong with asking the question? Seems like a legitimate function of this board. I don't see why everyone's gotta freak out about it.

Of course, if there are ulterior motives at stake, that's a different story. But someone asked a question, others answered it, and that's that.

I simply don't understand the thin skins, the accusations, and the need to make this more than it is. If the person who raised the initial question had more info, they'd have posted it, right?

Nothing wrong with opening up cans of worms, in my opinion. Better that than leave them shut. Isn't that why we have a Coliseum?

Excitable Boy

11-15-2003, 06:39 AM

Originally posted by pswope
Ditto to my Trini.

Guys who frequent high volume brothels need to be cognizant of the risks-including robbery and LE.

Among other things.

Zep51

11-15-2003, 07:42 AM

OHobbyist-

A few quick responses to your last post:
1-Nothing is wrong with asking a question. However, when you ask a question-and may possibly know that some of the rumor crap is not true-then why ask it in the first place?
2-I am all for limiting the rumor mill-and sticking primarily to the facts. That helps keep everything more on the up and up.
3-Rumor is one thing-opinion is another-and fact is something else. I would love to stick to the facts, whenever possible.
4-If your freak out statement was directed at others-fine. As for me-I do not believe that I freaked out at all. I do agree-it certainly lead to a volley of pretty aggressive exchanges. Not that, that is always bad around here.
5-I believe the question-about if the person that raised the initial question had more info-that is the key to this entire thread. I think that some people think that he/she/it did.

As for visiting high volume places-I think that everyone should be aware of the risks. They are present, but then again-many of those risks are present no matter where you hobby. It is at times, just the nature of things.

whitelightening

11-15-2003, 01:15 PM

Since when has a PBA card gotten anyone out of anything except a member of the PBA? They are for show, and never work. Everyone has one in NYC, either PBA, DEA, SBA, Captains, they are all BS

11-15-2003, 01:31 PM

It depends on the card actually... but irregardless.. it'll at best get you out of a traffic ticket and only with an officer who was probably indecisive about giving you the ticket anyway.

The courtesy badge to go along with such a card would probably be allot more useful in getting out of a ticket... but you'd better also know the cops tax reg number.

I have several courtesy badges given to me by friends and family (DEA, FBI, Detectives shield and a basic NYPD shield) and have only used them once in successfully avoiding a ticket. If you’re going to get the ticket…. your friend or family member must go thru their local PBA officer at their local pct and they'll usually contact the PBA officer at the pct which issued you the ticket and thus contact the actual officer and work out some way of “getting rid of” the offensive ticket by not showing up in court or one of many other ways around the system.

pjorourke

11-15-2003, 02:35 PM

Further evidence that traffic tickets have absolutely nothing to do with public safety and are merely a way for local governments to raise money. Not much different than bandits in Sherwood Forest.

occasionalhobbyist

11-15-2003, 04:45 PM

Zep: answers below...

1-Oh, maybe just to stir things up and find out what more you can learn about an issue of public interest. (I’m answering your question, not advocating its correctness.)
2-Glad to hear it. So we won’t expect any rumor-like statements from you. I’ll leave it to VV to keep an eye on that.
3-Yes, but all three types of communication exist, persist and have their place. Can’t say as I see what’s particularly wrong with any one of them. Depends on people’s motivations.
4-very clearly directed at others.
5-seems to me in this case, it all worked out just fine.

Look, I’ve been around here a bit longer than you have, so let me offer an alternative perspective. You seem to be focused on the person who asked the question. I'm putting my focus on the people who came on here, started spouting a bunch of bullshit, tried to cover things up, posed in multiple identities or at least acted in cahoots, and violated the entire spirit of the free flow of ideas, tips, reviews and general informaiton (even rumor) that this board stands for. Fuck them, I say, because regardless of the motivations of the thread starter, they tried to bullshit us all.

But I must say, it’s really great to see Julie posting again. Welcome back, darlin'!

Thorn

11-15-2003, 07:44 PM

Originally posted by dstar
questionable credibility? Why I've never been so insulted in my life! Harrummph.

Yup. No question about it. D-star is female.

:D

11-15-2003, 09:17 PM

Originally posted by Thorn
Yup. No question about it. D-star is female.

:D

It was also use of a few other words or terms... "bastard" was one... Men don't use that term very often. A few other things, but the general tone of those posts suggested that at least some, or parts of some of those posts were crafted by a woman. An older, but not too old, perhaps middle aged woman rather than a younger one.

For those who wonder.... I'm a profiler in my spare time

ODB

11-16-2003, 03:43 AM

Originally posted by VV
I'll keep picking at all the rotten apples I see if it helps in making this place a better apple pie.

I hate yoga.

Stop explaining your shortcomings; the sin of gerbil love, wanking to pics of your sis, wanking your dick and sticking it in a meatgrinder so you can feed it to your wife Spot, you know normal stuff; just confess you only let Harry out when your feeling especially naughty, progress even in small steps is still progress

Why can't you just come to terms with the fact that your priest didn't really love you when he reamed your sorry behind. He may have liked the way you screamed oh love me daddy but that's about it and your angst is that your dick is now and forever will be in your own hands or mouth. How's that yoga working for you bud....

Zep51

11-16-2003, 04:01 AM

White-L:

I totally disagree with you on the PBA Card Issue. However, I have no knowledge of how they are used in NY. I do have have knowledge in NJ only. All I will say is that through the years-such cards have gotten me out of several speeding tickets.

PJ-R:

I concur. Traffic tickets have little to do with highway safety-and more to do with public opinion about things, and also about bringing increased dollars into local and state govt's.

Occasional-H:
1-I agree, and have no problem stirring up public interest. I just would prefer to have it stated that way from the start.
2-I agree that all of us should try to stay away from the "rumor mill".
-I have no idea why you would need VV to keep an eye on such things? I agree that he does such things well, and often, but others in here keep a pretty close eye on keeping things on the so-called "up and up".
3-I agree, that all three exist. I just tend to place less faith and interest in rumors.
4-Thanks for clearing up the freaking out issue. I just wanted to make sure-that it was not me that was involved in it. Although, at times people certainly freak out for good reason.
5-As long as the truth on the issue came out, I have no problem with it. Again, I just think that when the initial question or issue is raised-that people have to be upfront with the knowledge base that they have on the issue-right from the start.

I am certainly with you on all of the bullshit stuff. I think that most people in here, after time, can pretty much read between the lines. I would love to see a Board-where all sides can exchange information, in an accurate and honest way. I just continue to not enjoy the "rumor mill". Too many people have been hurt through such things, and not much comes out to benefit anyone in the long-run.

VV-I agree that not many males use the word bastard. Strangely, my wife uses it all of the time. I wonder-toward who-smile! smile!

So if you are a profiler-are you helping out the NJ State Police? So you were that guy in the famous-C. Whittman Picture-where she was frisking you? ha! ha!

11-16-2003, 05:33 AM

Old Dirty...

I've only been to church once before... and that was only because this very beautiful, very sweet and very religious Brazilian girl I knew at the time, asked me to come and watch her sing in the church choir.

Yoga is for women and fags.

My profiling expertise tells me exactly who you are.... and that its almost time for you to go.... again.

Zep51

11-16-2003, 05:41 AM

VV-

Isn't it amazing the things that we think of and see while in church? Or for that matter-how some hot looking chick can get into the place. I do not go that often, but at times I have found my eyes wandering through the pews-thinking about laying or getting a bj from a few of the young ladies kneeling down. I hope that I do not get struck down by a bolt of lightning anytime soon.

11-16-2003, 05:47 AM

I will say this about my visit to church...

The sex I had later that afternoon after leaving church with this religious girl was just about the best I ever had.

Thorn

11-16-2003, 06:20 AM

Originally posted by ODB
Stop explaining your shortcomings; the sin of gerbil love, wanking to pics of your sis, wanking your dick and sticking it in a meatgrinder so you can feed it to your wife Spot, you know normal stuff; just confess you only let Harry out when your feeling especially naughty, progress even in small steps is still progress

Why can't you just come to terms with the fact that your priest didn't really love you when he reamed your sorry behind. He may have liked the way you screamed oh love me daddy but that's about it and your angst is that your dick is now and forever will be in your own hands or mouth. How's that yoga working for you bud....
ROLLING ON FLOOR, LAUGHING MY ASS OFF.

This is a first for me... I've never said this on any board in my whole life, but I just have to.

You are a fuckin' moron.

A funny fuckin moron, but a moron none the less.

{Holding sides and gasping for air}

11-16-2003, 06:44 AM

I've never said he wasn't funny.

(except the "hook nose" stuff)

Lbacker

11-16-2003, 08:26 AM

Was Julies raided or not ? Man can these threads get sidetracked.

Richardrzhpippin

11-16-2003, 08:47 AM

Originally posted by Lbacker
Was Julies raided or not ? Man can these threads get sidetracked.

What a perfect place to retire this thread Slinky........

Zep51

11-16-2003, 03:05 PM

VV-

And the best part of sex after church-is having her on her knees. The second best part is when you are banging the hell out of her and she is saying "oh my god!"LOL!

BMJ

11-16-2003, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by VV
And that's something only *I* will ever know for sure. ;)

Actually VV, I doubt if you have any real friends.

BMJ

11-16-2003, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by VV
I will say this about my visit to church...

The sex I had later that afternoon after leaving church with this religious girl was just about the best I ever had.

Which doesn't neccessarily say much.

Thorn

11-16-2003, 10:42 PM

Originally posted by VV
I've never said he wasn't funny.

(except the "hook nose" stuff)

Yeah. Too bad its "at" and not "with".

But some people... [shrugging shoulders]

Thorn

11-16-2003, 10:48 PM

Originally posted by BMJ
Actually VV, I doubt if you have any real friends.

Ah... You would be wrong on that account.

Daniel_NYC

11-17-2003, 04:18 AM

BMJ

11-17-2003, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by Thorn
Ah... You would be wrong on that account.

I said REAL.................

justjohn72

11-17-2003, 11:25 PM

I didn't have the patience to go through this whole thread which has sidetracked tremendously.

Anyways, I did try to call several times this past Sat. since I had some free time and was in the neighborhood and only got the machine. I didn't leave a message but over that 4 hr span and at least six attempts, I only got the answering machine.

Anyone know if it's more or less business as usual over there?

kromrider

11-18-2003, 05:08 PM

I will let you know. Might stop by very soon.

And for me the risk is worth the service, the selection and the price.

And while I usually do not agree with Ozzy about anything, I used to respect him.

Ozzy this FBI rat shit is just not cool. Even though I do not think you would really do it.

Just out of curiosity, how would you feel if someone threatened to call the FBI on one of those Brazilian providers that you seem to like so much? Imagine being balls deep when the feds bust down the door. Not a very nice thought is it. I think the FBI would probably be much more interested in Brazilian prostitutes who set up shop in the US. Much more interesting to the Feds then a little NYC in-call.

Anyway your threat to call your FBI buddy on a whorehouse on a whore board has certainly made it very clear to me that your feelings about Julie and her house are just not rational. Actually your comments prove my point so much better then any argument I could ever make. And from what I see many of the other UG members see it now too.

11-18-2003, 07:22 PM

Originally posted by kromrider

Ozzy this FBI rat shit is just not cool. Even though I do not think you would really do it.

Again... How conveniently everyone forgets why... or rather seems to just overlook why because of who it was.

But just to remind you and all the rest of the hypocrites out there... Just out of curiosity, how would you feel if someone put a bounty out on you, your ID or whatever they could get a hold of concerning your personal life (just because you posted something on a PMB they didn't agree with)?

Its a two way street out there...

And anyone who thinks they can threaten and/or strong arm me better look both fucking ways.

11-18-2003, 07:29 PM

btw... Whether you're a whore house, a bookie or a drug dealer... they charge you by the amount of business you do.... And that “little NYC in-call” (as you call it) is probably one the busiest in NYC and does more business in one week than all those Brazilians do in six months.

And if any of "my" Brazilians pulled half the shit your paragon did (or tried)... I'd have rammed the INS up their asses myself.

BMJ

11-19-2003, 10:05 AM

Originally posted by VV
btw... Whether you're a whore house, a bookie or a drug dealer... they charge you by the amount of business you do.... And that “little NYC in-call” (as you call it) is probably one the busiest in NYC and does more business in one week than all those Brazilians do in six months.

And if any of "my" Brazilians pulled half the shit your paragon did (or tried)... I'd have rammed the INS up their asses myself.

I think what we now feel is pity for VV. I'd say he has NO life, except for the hobby. Hey Oz, get a life. OK?

Daniel_NYC

11-19-2003, 10:38 AM

I have refrained from seriously posting in this thread until now.

I agree that taken out of context VV's threat of calling the FBI would seem a bit over the top.

But

If Julie did dispatch her minions to unearth as much personal contact info on him as possible, and then use that against him, than that cannot be taken lightly.

If someone was out to destroy my life, my marriage, my good reputation, than I would probably react in kind.

Your greatest enemy is a man who has nothing left to lose.

Can anyone come up with even one instance where VV or Ozzy has blatantly and knowingly lied to us on a serious subject?

Probably not.

Now, VV was told about what Julie was attempting to do by trusted friends or aquaintances, I hope they had their facts straight.

The fact that VV is willing to make such a big deal about it means that he trusts those people implicitly.

Truth

11-20-2003, 10:48 AM

Originally posted by VV
I've never said he wasn't funny.

(except the "hook nose" stuff)

I'm assuming this is directed at me .... and if i'm wrong just disregard this whole post.

In short, while i appreciate the assumption that every asshole who pops up on the scene is another incarnation of me, you would be wrong. For the past couple of weeks i've only had time to skim thru posts and since i haven't had the time to jump in on the "Mets offseason needs" thread, believe me, i wouldn't waste my fucking time in yet another, TIRED Ozzy-Julie pissing contest. Have a nice day .......

and you were right about the football Giants .......

(i may be an asshole but i give people their due when they deserve it, even if they don't respond in kind)

kromrider

11-20-2003, 12:13 PM

Originally posted by Daniel_NYC

If Julie did dispatch her minions to unearth as much personal contact info on him as possible, and then use that against him, than that cannot be taken lightly.

I agree with this point 100% i would offer to contact my FBI friend for him myself and never return to Julies.

Originally posted by Daniel_NYC

Now, VV was told about what Julie was attempting to do by trusted friends or aquaintances, I hope they had their facts straight.

I honestly do not think Julie could give a rats ass about Ozzy. While I am sure that Julie monitors UG to see what is being said about her house, Ozzy's comments have not effected Julies business. Try calling there, it's bussier now then ever. I think Ozzy's comments and his relationship with Slinky keep Julie from being an advertiser on the site and frankly we as supporters of UG all lose becasue of that. But sending her "minions" after his personal info.... Just do not believe it. He is just not that important.

11-20-2003, 02:00 PM

Krom...

I guess you didn’t notice that there have never been any denials (except yours).

Perhaps that’s because too many people (regulars, semi regulars) know since I personally heard about it from two people who were asked. That doesn’t include a couple of friends who heard it from others in their travels.

And perhaps bad publicity is better than NO publicity.

Stecch…I said you were funny. I haven’t said that about bender in over a year. Although he’s actually almost funny again. He’s definitely funnier now than he was before he left.

Thorn

11-21-2003, 05:26 AM

Originally posted by kromrider
I honestly do not think Julie could give a rats ass about Ozzy.

Regardless of what you think about the reasons she would give a rat's ass about Ozzy: from some of his comments that pointed out flaws in her business model [as he praised other aspects that were run well... though no one ever takes note of that], to his outting [for the benefit of the safety of us here] what went on with the "Heaven" incident, to his friendship with another madam who was perceived as a threat; unless you are absolutely blind to what went on over the last two years you have to acknowledge they exist. PLUS that there have been actions in the past that indicate that if nothing else, the minions have no problem coming out of the woodwork and attacking Ozzy every time he has anything to say on the issues. Whether that is at Julie's direction, I certainly can't tell.

Krom, no offense but the very fact that you are ratcheting up is proof positive of that, because when it comes to minions... you are about as "miniony" as it gets [anytime anyone says anything about Julie's you are one of the first to jump in with something to say].

All points made though, and KNOWING that no one is going to change anyone else's mind on these issues, perhaps its best to let this thread die.

Thorn

11-21-2003, 05:39 AM

Qucik P.S.: I, like Ozzy, have never knocked Julie's on her "bang for the buck". She has good women and fair prices.

I don't like some of the things she has done that make it less safe for johns to conduct business in the west side of MTN.
I don't like some of the things she has done to people I know. I have my own sources for stuff like that, quite outside that available to others and I trust what they have to say because they truly know what is going on. But since I am unwilling to share these sources and I have NO DESIRE to ask anyone to believe anything on my say so alone, I'll leave it at that.

Its a rough business that would be greatly improved for the clients if people played nicer. There are plenty of johns to go around for the best houses. Two ways to bring the client to your door. Cut down the competition, or do it better then they do it. I like Julies better when she does business the latter then the former. Like I said... she is good at that. Usually fine women and good prices. Keep it to that and I'll never have a bad thing to say about the place.

First. Last. Only thing I have to say on the matter.

kromrider

11-21-2003, 07:56 AM

Originally posted by Thorn

Krom, no offense but the very fact that you are ratcheting up is proof positive of that, because when it comes to minions... you are about as "miniony" as it gets [anytime anyone says anything about Julie's you are one of the first to jump in with something to say].

I have recently posted two bad reviews of Julie’s girls. (Do a search for my Emily review) I am far from the first guy to jump in and defend Julie. It took 4 pages and a FBI threat before I chimed in on this one. If I heard that Julie was trying to out anyone I would be the first one to be critical of her. Julie is a very smart businessperson. If some one told me Julie was covering up a police bust then I would say that makes sense to me. And I realize the danger that puts me in. Outing a John would be the stupidest thing she could ever do or even suggest. I just don’t think Ozzy is that important to Julie and that’s just my opinion. My opinions will not change unless some one offers some facts. Its hard for me to accept Thorn and Ozzie's "inside information" as fact because my experiences are the total oposite

I like Julie. She has always treated me the right way. I like to go to Julies. I like the idea that I will not be hustled by her girls. I like the $200.00 price. I like the selection and the constant availability of new girls. I like the half price birthday deal. I like the fact that I have been dealing with them for 8 years and still see some of the same faces. These are the reasons that I like Julies and they are all facts. It has nothing to do with getting free sessions, or some hidden agenda regarding a dislike of another NYC In-call. I try other places but always wind up back at Julies.

Thorn and Ozzy both, I respect your opinions and will be the last guy to tell you were to go if you want to pay for sex. But please respect my opinion and do not discredit it by calling me a minion or a shill. I have been a very active contributor to this board and have offered valuable information from North Carolina to Canada.

I have never posted any kind of misinformation regarding any of my experiences. Not many guys here could say that.

11-21-2003, 08:10 AM

Originally posted by kromrider
I am far from the first guy to jump in and defend Julie.

A quick search of Ozzy/Julie (please someone...anyone go and do this) would reveal that you ARE the first person to jump in to her defense or jump on me every time I’ve ever said anything remotely negative about her or her place.

My opinions will not change unless some one offers some facts. Its hard for me to accept Thorn and Ozzie's "inside information" as fact because my experiences are the total oposite

So you're willing to wait until something actually happens to me.... (at which point you'll just deny it was Julie or her minions anyway)........

Well I'm not about to wait for that. I'd rather (and I will) remove the problem before it gets me if this persists.

PS to bender and Staff... You still need to change Truth's avatar (as per his bet), and while you're at it you can change Kroms to "Julies mouth piece"

11-21-2003, 08:13 AM

Actually I have a better idea...

How about I put a bounty out for Kromriders personal info (a session with the hooker of ones choice). Or if Krom prefers he can send it to me and in the event Julie or one of her minions does something to me.. I'll do the same onto Krom.

So do you still have that much faith in your paragon?

If not SHUT THE FUCK UP!

ps to anyone who has an issue with this post... BLOW ME!

jseah

11-21-2003, 08:51 AM

Originally posted by VV
ps to anyone who has an issue with this post... BLOW ME!

Nah.....you're not my type........:D

Slinky Bender

11-21-2003, 09:45 AM

Originally posted by VV

ps to anyone who has an issue with this post... BLOW ME!

Is Ozzy offering to "settle out of court"?

Casper

11-21-2003, 09:47 AM

NOW THAT WAS FUNNY !!!

SOOC and CIM.

kromrider

11-21-2003, 09:49 AM

You are trying to turn you issues with Julies into issues with me. I on the other hand am stating my opinion. I like our exchanges and can even see your point regarding the outing issue. If you are going to attack me this way then you should be carefull because fucking with me and my personal information will be a mistake. I am going to ****** the moderator and request that your posts regarding my personal information be removed. If they are not then be carefull because you will never see it comming.

Cloud Nine

11-21-2003, 11:19 AM

Sigh,

Why am I still getting the complaint e*mails?

For the benefit of kromrider:

An announcement to all:
VV really wasnt putting a bounty on Krom's personal ID, for starters we all know he's too cheap to pay for someone else's session. So don't think youre gonna get anything for doing such a horrible thing.

For the benefit of VV:

VV-You obviously illustrated your point so well that you have krom all worked up and worried that someone's gonna post his personal ID. Congrats, you made him feel how you feel. Now cut it out, cause I really don't like the taste of your dick, it tastes like shit.

Cat_Ballou

11-21-2003, 11:26 AM

C9 -- I love your avatar. Is that new? If not, I never noticed it before...

NOYL

11-21-2003, 11:30 AM

Originally posted by Cat_Ballou
C9 -- I love your avatar. Is that new? If not, I never noticed it before...

It's been there for over a week now.

NOYL

11-21-2003, 11:38 AM

BTW, do you pronouce it Igor or Egor?

rufus4aday

11-21-2003, 12:23 PM

Perhaps "eye-gore"?

(oops...I guess that was your point...)

11-21-2003, 12:55 PM

C9… (What happened to "UG Staff” btw?)

I have a few things to say to Krom and then I’m outta here.

1) I never said anyone was going to "out me". I said someone was seeking my info.... There's allot of things one can do with someone’s info.

2) By defending or denying it, you only encourage it.

3) Your putting “your opinion" ahead my well being. And to tell you the truth.... "Your opinion" usually sucks.

kromrider

11-21-2003, 01:03 PM

Your point is well taken.....

Have a nice weekend

Slinky Bender

11-21-2003, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by NOYL
BTW, do you pronouce it Igor or Egor?

What hump?

littleguy

11-21-2003, 06:18 PM

Originally posted by Thorn
that there have been actions in the past that indicate that if nothing else, the minions have no problem coming out of the woodwork and attacking Ozzy every time he has anything to say on the issues. Whether that is at Julie's direction, I certainly can't tell.

So let's see if I've got this straight now Thorn.

When Ozzy "attacks" Julie's, he is only having his "say on the issues", but when someone comes up with another/opposite opinion, they are "minions" and they are "attacking" Ozzy.

Is that about right ?

Kind of depends on whose side you're on, no ?

(Or at least who is a friend of yours)

whitelightening

11-21-2003, 08:50 PM

First let me let you all know something that all you legal beagles have forgotten. The FBI does not get involved in anything but INTERSTAE Activity, or threats against the govt. Owning or operating a brothel is not an act against the govt or INTERstate business (unless you count doing business on the west side of Manhattan interstate).
Yes, the authorities would get involved in TAX issues but then thats not the FBI but the IRS (Criminal Investigations Div).
The NYPD gets involved based on moral (vice) issues. Again not the FBI.
INS gets involved on immigration issues- Canada, Brazil, Venez. etc (lots of Julies talent are from outof the country).
So its time you all wake up and stop with the FBI bullshit and start learning about the federal law enforcement agaencies.
Then again, unless Julies has UN personnel as clients and one of her "girls" is an agent then you can also count on fairy tales as being true.
Did you ever see an agent clean your pipes like Julies girls?

justbill_redux

11-21-2003, 09:25 PM

Well a whole shit load of my FBI drinking buddies seem to know a whole shitload of my NYPD drinking buddies. Its sorta like the telephone game, news seems to travel, somewhat informaly, between these 2 groups.

11-22-2003, 12:17 AM

The FBI doesn't need to get involed (but in most cases it could if it really wanted to). But since shortly after 9/11 we have this new ultra cool rule now called "information sharing" among government agencies. There's a division of the FBI called The "OLEC" The Office for Law Enforcement Coordination. The OLEC is responsible for improving FBI coordination and information sharing with state and local law enforcement and public safety agencies.

http://www.fbi*****/hq/olec/olec.htm

PS to WL... This legal beagle thinks you need to hit the books and learn a thing or two about federal law enforcement agencies.

whitelightening

11-22-2003, 02:34 PM

Information sharing - not about brothels, there is a hell of alot more going on here in NYC than a brothel watch by the FBI or Information sharing about brothels. Did you ever hear the statement - prostitution is a victimless crime.

NYPD has an overtime problem also - budget problems and not enough officers watching your local street corners, all available specialty divisions are on regular patrol except Narcs., Terrorism, Guns, OCCB, and income producing revenue areas such as traffic, Highway.

Cat_Ballou

11-22-2003, 02:47 PM

Whitelightening, as much I hope you are right, the expectation that prostitution gets bumped to the bottom of the list because of resource shortages shouldn't be viewed as a given. After all, even the Department of Justice, thanks to John the-only-person-creepier-than-me-is-Cheney Ashcroft, is devoting resources to a self-declared "war on obscenity," as though that's got fuckall to do with anything important in the current messy state of things...

Politicians love prostitution busts -- in fact, with the exception of the bustees (and interested bystanders on UG), everyone loves prostitution busts, because it allows for so much righteous sniffing and posturing, even while the scent of pussy is still in the air, making the whole event kind of a turn-on, too (not unlike the priest who gets off on sordid confessions from parishoners)...

In any event, sex is involved, so logic goes out the window. But like I said, I hope you're right, for all our sakes...

11-22-2003, 02:56 PM

I'll explain it further since your dense....

Common things most associated with the prostitution business that will draw the ire of the FBI.

Drugs, interstate trafficking of women (especially ******** women) for the purpose of prostitution, money laundering, kidnapping, use of the internet and or communication lines for the purpose of prostitution (a couple of LI hookers found this out a couple of years back), ******** prostitutes, conspiracy, corruption at the local LE level (meaning when you bribe the captain and the desk Sergeant to look the other way).

But besides all that, when you're a high ranking FBI agent who coordinates with many at the local level and your best friend that you've known since the age of three calls you with a serious problem.... It only takes one phone call to any one of many friends in the dept to get rid of that problem.

danger-us

11-22-2003, 03:17 PM

Julienyc

11-22-2003, 05:28 PM

Originally posted by Daniel_NYC
I have refrained from seriously posting in this thread until now.

I agree that taken out of context VV's threat of calling the FBI would seem a bit over the top.

But

If Julie did dispatch her minions to unearth as much personal contact info on him as possible, and then use that against him, than that cannot be taken lightly.

If someone was out to destroy my life, my marriage, my good reputation, than I would probably react in kind.

Your greatest enemy is a man who has nothing left to lose.

Can anyone come up with even one instance where VV or Ozzy has blatantly and knowingly lied to us on a serious subject?

Probably not.

Now, VV was told about what Julie was attempting to do by trusted friends or aquaintances, I hope they had their facts straight.

The fact that VV is willing to make such a big deal about it means that he trusts those people implicitly.

Where the hell did you get this shit from??????!!!!!!! Destroy or find out who he is ? you gotta be kidding me. I was having it out with VV on the board and on my contest I said lets find the perfect meaning for VV , meaning Vulgar Vagina or V this or V that and that is where this comes from , OH MY GOD give me a break. I don't know who he is and I dont care one bit. I was just having fun with him on the board and on mine. We argue all the time and I just take it that he is put on the board to make it interesting and fun to read. When he said he was calling the FBI I thought he was nuts. I really think you should investigate this statement you are saying and where the hell did it come from? He likes to down my place and I get a kick out of him but he took it to far and it was wrong to say he was going to call cops.

Julienyc

11-22-2003, 05:40 PM

Originally posted by VV
I'll explain it further since your dense....

Common things most associated with the prostitution business that will draw the ire of the FBI.

Drugs, interstate trafficking of women (especially ******** women) for the purpose of prostitution, money laundering, kidnapping, use of the internet and or communication lines for the purpose of prostitution (a couple of LI hookers found this out a couple of years back), ******** prostitutes, conspiracy, corruption at the local LE level (meaning when you bribe the captain and the desk Sergeant to look the other way).

But besides all that, when you're a high ranking FBI agent who coordinates with many at the local level and your best friend that you've known since the age of three calls you with a serious problem.... It only takes one phone call to any one of many friends in the dept to get rid of that problem.

I can only say that none of the above applies to Julies, we only have 18 and up, don't know any cops at all , don't make enough money to launder with all the damned high rents, we are just the run of the mill brothel try to offer good service.

11-23-2003, 04:17 AM

The first sentence of my post said "Common things most associated with the prostitution business that will draw the ire of the FBI"

I don't see the mention of Julies anywhere in that post. But since you claim that none of that applies to Julies... I guess you don't use the internet nor phone line for the means of prostitution, I guess you don't bring women across state and international borders for the means of prostitution, and I guess you do have a time machine that makes girls legal age when they work for you but somehow less than legal age when they work for your competition many months LATER.

As far as this contest about me... well that's not exactly what was going on and you know it.

Now here's a little announcement..... I'm going to forget this ever happened.... BUT, the very next mention and/or denial I see or hear of this issue (from anyone) concerning 'me' and I WILL make that call to a friend, as well as calls to the Daily News, the Post and all the local new stations discussing the corruption that goes on at a certain NYPD pct concerning a certain popular brothel in NYC.

BigMadM

11-23-2003, 05:06 AM

[QUOTE][i]
sorry, no business to post here

Thorn

11-24-2003, 02:47 AM

Originally posted by VV
Actually I have a better idea...

How about I put a bounty out for Kromriders personal info (a session with the hooker of ones choice). Or if Krom prefers he can send it to me and in the event Julie or one of her minions does something to me.. I'll do the same onto Krom.

So do you still have that much faith in your paragon?

If not SHUT THE FUCK UP!

ps to anyone who has an issue with this post... BLOW ME!

I know you are trying to make a point [The. "How does it feel to have someone do this to you the way it was done to me." point. Its a good point, but a bad way to make it. Because, while I know you would never partake in behavior that would out another john, Krom has no way of knowing that.

Krom, I can't speak for Ozzy, but I am willing to bet he just wants you to feel what he felt when it was done to him.

Thorn

11-24-2003, 02:49 AM

Originally posted by Cloud Nine
VV-You obviously illustrated your point so well that you have krom all worked up and worried that someone's gonna post his personal ID. Congrats, you made him feel how you feel. Now cut it out, cause I really don't like the taste of your dick, it tastes like shit.

Beat me to it... again.

That's why you wear the Mod hat. :)

Thorn

11-24-2003, 02:51 AM

Originally posted by slinkybender
What hump?

Now THAT was funny.

Slinky.. becareful, your sense of humor is returning.

Thorn

11-24-2003, 02:56 AM

Originally posted by littleguy
So let's see if I've got this straight now Thorn.

When Ozzy "attacks" Julie's, he is only having his "say on the issues", but when someone comes up with another/opposite opinion, they are "minions" and they are "attacking" Ozzy.

Is that about right ?

Kind of depends on whose side you're on, no ?

(Or at least who is a friend of yours)

Of course.... I would never deny that.

But Ozzy does tend to take in terms of EVENTS while others speak in terms of FEELINGS.

GENERALLY

Ozzy: This happened. That happened. I know because of this.

Others: Will I think this. I think that. I feel this way.

Not quite the same thing, and I do take that into account when weightng notions put out for consideration.

Thorn

11-24-2003, 03:07 AM

P.S. For the record I don't have a side in this. I've used Julie's in the past. I might again. I have always liked her price/performance ratio. I, again, don't like certain things I am aware of because I perceive such things as making my whoring less safe then it should be [for instance, the whole "HeavenGate" thing]. I don't care if no one else feels the same, I have to watch out for my ass, so I wish it would stop. As a matter of fact, if I was TRULY sure that Julie wasn't under the gun [and lately there hasn't been a period of time without something happening, including the latest incident, to make me feel safe] she most likely be seeing me again because there aren't many places in NYC area a guy can get laid and be fairly sure he is going to have a good session, with a decent looking woman, for $200-$250 space bucks.

I just wish she'd do everything possible to keep things ON THE DOWNLOW. Getting involved with hookers who loose their cool when strangers knock on the door, thus alerting the neighbors who possibly call the cops, or strung out hookers who bring their crack habits and wondering ways into the house, and are possibly [mind you I said possibly to provide the benefit of the doubt] involved with reletives of Julie and wind up getting snatched out from under other madams, etc... NOT GOOD FOR BUSINESS... at least, not good for MY business.

My only advise to her is to just continue to provide excellent service and to stay away from all this other stuff.

Now... someone is going to have to tell me, if they take issue with what I said, why it is a bad thing.

Thorn

11-24-2003, 03:22 AM

Originally posted by whitelightening
Information sharing - not about brothels, there is a hell of alot more going on here in NYC than a brothel watch by the FBI or Information sharing about brothels. Did you ever hear the statement - prostitution is a victimless crime.

NYPD has an overtime problem also - budget problems and not enough officers watching your local street corners, all available specialty divisions are on regular patrol except Narcs., Terrorism, Guns, OCCB, and income producing revenue areas such as traffic, Highway.

Ummm...

Just for information purposes and for NO other reason.

The FBI is a very prominent member of the ongoing OCTF [Organized Crime Task Force], as is the New York State SIU [Special Investigations Unit] operating within the NYPD. That task force would love to tweak any madam whose has been operating long term within NYC, because such a long term involvement at those sorts of levels would, be default, indicate at least a casual acquaintenceship with organized crime.

This is precisely why I say such things make it unsafe for johns... because such people are less then concerned about fucking up a johns life in order to get info that might give them inroads to bust said madam and possibly get at her information.

So its best that everyone place nicey-nice and not make problems that draw the attention of LE, and that is what I am requesting, most politely. That such things as, allegedly, "HeavenGate" and asking clients for info on other clients, etc, never be fodder for such things as we are discussing here.

Thorn

11-24-2003, 03:28 AM

Originally posted by danger-us
The most accurate comment posted on this thread to date.

Are you kidding. I would LOVE to call Julie "friend". I would like to have some of the arrangements to get quality pussy that some of her minion have. Sessions where the madam joins in for free [though that's been awhile]. Cut rates or out right freebies.

You don't think I'd enjoy being on Julie's good side. I have nothing against Julie. I just doen't fancy some of the things she DOES that I know make it less safe to be a client of hers. So I never get a chance to get on her good side. Because I am VERY safety conscious.

Thorn

11-24-2003, 03:39 AM

Originally posted by Julienyc
Where the hell did you get this shit from??????!!!!!!! Destroy or find out who he is ? you gotta be kidding me. I was having it out with VV on the board and on my contest I said lets find the perfect meaning for VV , meaning Vulgar Vagina or V this or V that and that is where this comes from , OH MY GOD give me a break. I don't know who he is and I dont care one bit. I was just having fun with him on the board and on mine. We argue all the time and I just take it that he is put on the board to make it interesting and fun to read. When he said he was calling the FBI I thought he was nuts. I really think you should investigate this statement you are saying and where the hell did it come from? He likes to down my place and I get a kick out of him but he took it to far and it was wrong to say he was going to call cops.

Julie, to be fair he said he was going to the cops IF he found out you were trying to hurt him first. Not before.

And, since you are reading. I will say it again. Know that I still stand behind anything I have said to you in the past about how you run your business. I think you run a good place vis-a-vie the quality of your women and the prices you charge. You have always had a quality place and I have enjoyed being entertained within your establishment. It is simply that you got involved in all this stuff, much of it seemed to my sources of info [NO NOT OZZY... I have sources quite outside of that... good sources] the result of actions you initiated.

Now I hope that is wrong, but again, I trust my people. They have withstood the test of time with me [again though, I don't ask anyone else to take anything as so just because I say so.]. However, it left me concerned for my safety when seeking entertainment within your, otherwise, fine establishment.

If things would just quite down and I would stop hearing about the latest thing you were supposed to be involved in you'd be seeing me around again. That would happen if everyone played nice with each other. [and you stopped hiring the occassional nut case... though, to your benefit, I acknowledge that hiring the best working women and also requesting you to stay away from emotionally troubled sorts, is not an easy thing to ask of you]

Anyway... This is a dead horse and I am tired of hitting it with this stick... regardless of how valid I might thing my statements to be.

I wish you luck Julie, and PLEASE lets hear less about problems and more about the girls... and hope to feel safe enough to start popping in again at some point in the future.

Thorn

11-24-2003, 04:03 AM

Originally posted by Julienyc
I can only say that none of the above applies to Julies, we only have 18 and up, don't know any cops at all , don't make enough money to launder with all the damned high rents, we are just the run of the mill brothel try to offer good service.

OK.. OK.. I know... a series of posts in this thread and dead horse beating and all... but I have to, I promise, say just ONE more thing.

Julie. You are misjudging your cliental. At least the ones present on this board. They are too long involved in the business. Too savvy, as far as exposure to the real world and how it works. [at least I hope they are].

I am sure you make every effort to avoid having minors involved. Its just not worth the risk. However, to say that your business doesn't make a GREAT deal of money [all I have to do is multiply 5 girls working 6 clients each a day at an average of 225 a pop, and don't tell me that isn't a conservative estimate, to figure your business grosses almost $50,000 per week... and again, I say that is probably conservative]. And to say a business at that level, for as long as you have been open, doesn't pay protection and doesn't have at least casual relations with.... well, lets just say that you'd have to think the average UG john was awfully naive to buy into that notion.

I would be far more inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt if you don't try to insult my intelligence.

Thorn

11-24-2003, 04:06 AM

And the tenth, and last post, is an apology for their being ten posts to begin with.

kromrider

11-24-2003, 05:37 AM

Originally posted by Thorn

I just wish she'd do everything possible to keep things ON THE DOWNLOW. Getting involved with hookers who loose their cool when strangers knock on the door, thus alerting the neighbors who possibly call the cops, or strung out hookers who bring their crack habits and wondering ways into the house, and are possibly [mind you I said possibly to provide the benefit of the doubt] involved with reletives of Julie and wind up getting snatched out from under other madams, etc... NOT GOOD FOR BUSINESS... at least, not good for MY business.

This shit happens with hookers no matter were you go. These types of risks are given. Its no better anyplace else in this price range.

kromrider

11-24-2003, 06:05 AM

Why do you guys have to get so involved in this shit. I do this for fun. Why does it have to involve conspiracy and all of these hidden agendas? I am old fat and bald, this hobby transforms me for an hour or so and i get to have sex with a good looking young girl. You do not find many girls in this business without some kind of serious issues. Drug problems, sexual and physical abuse,pimp boyfriends, babies to support, etc.. We all know this is the case. But dwelling on it makes it alot less fun. You know the expression ignorance is bliss? Well for me it applies.

Anyway i think this whole thing with Ozzy is pretty funny and reminds me of the old telephone game we used to play. And just for the record my vote is for Villainous Veterinarian.

Julienyc

11-24-2003, 12:20 PM

Originally posted by VV
C9… (What happened to "UG Staff” btw?)

I have a few things to say to Krom and then I’m outta here.

1) I never said anyone was going to "out me". I said someone was seeking my info.... There's allot of things one can do with someone’s info.

2) By defending or denying it, you only encourage it.

3) Your putting “your opinion" ahead my well being. And to tell you the truth.... "Your opinion" usually sucks.

It was a damned contest Ozzie because we were talking shit back and forth and I put a damned contest up on my members and it was the real meaning of VV meaning Vulgar vagina or what ever , come on who really gives a fuck who the hell anyone really is on this board? I mean you have been talking some real ugly stuff but that is just what it is and who you are on this board. Personally baby I would not know who the hell you are from a can of paint and would not know you unless you are in a blue unifrom. I love ya anyway baby you are really something else.

Julienyc

11-24-2003, 12:57 PM

Originally posted by VV
The first sentence of my post said "Common things most associated with the prostitution business that will draw the ire of the FBI"

I don't see the mention of Julies anywhere in that post. But since you claim that none of that applies to Julies... I guess you don't use the internet nor phone line for the means of prostitution, I guess you don't bring women across state and international borders for the means of prostitution, and I guess you do have a time machine that makes girls legal age when they work for you but somehow less than legal age when they work for your competition many months LATER.

As far as this contest about me... well that's not exactly what was going on and you know it.

Baby, that is all that went on is a contest and if anyone is telling you different they must want very much to feed the fire between us , baby I love arguing with you and having fun talking shit about each other but I don't go in that direction and that is not me at all, if you want to call me and speak with me personally about who and why some one would tell you this you are most welcome and I will take some time for this. It is really out of left field and untrue,

I do not have interstate girl though and I do not bring any girls over from any where , if they are from somewhere else and find them selves here in New York then they may be welcome , internet of course just like here where we all discuss the hobby, yes but we are the regular NewYork brothel of no interest from the feds who have better things to worry about like terrorist as weall know from past experience. We are just providers of fun and games and that is about it baby.

Now here's a little announcement..... I'm going to forget this ever happened.... BUT, the very next mention and/or denial I see or hear of this issue (from anyone) concerning 'me' and I WILL make that call to a friend, as well as calls to the Daily News, the Post and all the local new stations discussing the corruption that goes on at a certain NYPD pct concerning a certain popular brothel in NYC.

robnotbob

11-24-2003, 01:01 PM

By the way, It's Froderick Fronkenstein.

robnotbob

11-24-2003, 01:02 PM

What knockers!!
Oh, zank you, Doctor!

Don't get me started.

jmcurry

11-24-2003, 01:35 PM

One more time. Is it possible to stop the bickering before you all have to change names again? We are better served by working out a game plan for an incall place that gets that knock on the door.

As an aside, contacting the local papers won't do much. First, they already know, and Second, without second and third confirmations, especially post-Jason Blair, they couldn't care less.

Everyone needs to calm down and remember what this board was designed to do.

hot4chicks

11-24-2003, 02:58 PM

I think ya'll missed an important thing here. Its startling actually.

Anybody else notice the sparks that fly when these two crazy kids, Julie and VV get together? I propose we pass the hat around and send the two of 'em on a romantic date and see what happens.

If ya'll have a problem with that, send me on a date with Julie...

Julienyc

11-24-2003, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by hot4chicks
I think ya'll missed an important thing here. Its startling actually.

Anybody else notice the sparks that fly when these two crazy kids, Julie and VV get together? I propose we pass the hat around and send the two of 'em on a romantic date and see what happens.

If ya'll have a problem with that, send me on a date with Julie...

Hey they say there is a thin line between love and hate, hey maybe you have something here.

whitelightening

11-24-2003, 08:48 PM

"Heavan has no rage like love to hatred turned, nor hell a fury like a women scorned"
from the Morning Bride Act 111 Sc. 8

I would not piss off Julie too much VV, as you calculated with that kind of unreported cash, accidents happen that you will never know about for 10 yrs when the virus kills you.
Accepting freebies might be dangerous to your well being.

11-25-2003, 05:06 AM

Listen up Shakespeare....

If that's a threat, let me know so I can lower the hammer, and so everyone here can know who it was who sought my wrath.

And since you’re a fan of Shakespeare… chew of these whilst I make a few phone calls.

Caesar's spirit, ranging for revenge...
Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice
Cry 'havoc!' and let slip the dogs of war.
--Julius Caesar--

By the pricking of my thumbs,
Something wicked this way comes.
--MacBeth--

If you prick us do we not bleed? If you tickle us do we not laugh? If you poison us do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? --The Merchant of Venice--

He's mad that trusts in the tameness of a wolf, a horse's health, a boy's love, or a whore's oath. --King Lear--

kromrider

11-25-2003, 07:47 AM

Dude you are just down right nuts. Seriously you might want to try some prosac or maybe even some EST.

11-25-2003, 07:51 AM

Fuck you Krom...

And since you don't seem to care whether or not I get threatened... YOU'RE NEXT!

kromrider

11-25-2003, 08:12 AM

The only place you have been threatened is in your imagination. You are pathetic. You just can not deal with the fact you are as insignificant as the rest of us. I am done dealing with your irrational and ridiculous comments. In a way I feel sorry for you. Maybe you should find a new less stressful hobby. Try building model airplanes.

danger-us

11-25-2003, 08:48 AM

How anyone can think the threats on this board won't ultimately affect everyone, is beyond me. They would affect every current house, group of independents, every future house and future sex business venture.
Some of you better get smart before the entire hobby is a mess. Any hot head who thinks he or she will ever get a "last laugh" is incredibly naïve.

The USSR never attacked the United States with conventional or nuclear weapons. And visa versa. Why is that? Intelligent, rational minds know the answer and that's why we made it through the cold war and are now somewhat friendly with Russia.

That should be everyone's strategy here. You don't need to like one another to find a way to coexist.

Julienyc

11-25-2003, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by VV
Fuck you Krom...

And since you don't seem to care whether or not I get threatened... YOU'RE NEXT!

It took me a few weeks to see what is really going on here and now I am finding out what and why this is going on, I am not the real reason for this and I have never ever threatened you Ozzie and you know it You think I am in the way but in reality there are thousands of working girls in the city and will keep coming , you are directing this at me and it is not me at all.

JackT

11-25-2003, 11:43 AM

"now I am finding out what and why this is going on, I am not the real reason for this "

Julie,
Please do tell.... WHY is this going on? What/who is the real reason for this?

V V,
Now, I'm not in tune to whatever backchannel stuff is going on here, but as far as I could see, Julie's "name V V" contest was just that, a contest designed for her members to come up with creative names for what V V stood for. I'll grant that it was in poor taste, but I certainly didn't see any evidence that she sought your personal info.

If Julie did put a "bounty" on ANYONE's personal info, I'd like to know about it and have the evidence (hearsay or not) backing it up. So far, Julie vehemently denies it, and I never saw any evidence of it. How can we get to the bottom of this so that we all can judge for ourselves whom to trust?

11-25-2003, 11:58 AM

Originally posted by JackT
How can we get to the bottom of this so that we all can judge for ourselves whom to trust?

We won't get to the bottom of this for the simple reason that I won't divulge the client's name who told me about this when he met me at Studio5, nor the (former?) Julies employee who told me the same story when I met her thru a mutual friend.

And this has NOTHING to do with that contest..... (which if you ask me, was simply invented as a form of damage control).

Now for the last time... unless this involves you, or you have indisputable proof either way (your opinons don't count for shit).... SHUT THE FUCK UP!

Truth

11-25-2003, 02:18 PM

Well, it looks like Julie isn't the only one on Ozzy's trail

http://www.komotv.com/stories/28438.htm

Truth

11-25-2003, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by VV
PS to bender and Staff... You still need to change Truth's avatar (as per his bet),

If i remember correctly, you never accepted the challenge i threw out there. You never responded to it.

Julienyc

11-25-2003, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by VV
We won't get to the bottom of this for the simple reason that I won't divulge the client's name who told me about this when he met me at Studio5, nor the (former?) Julies employee who told me the same story when I met her thru a mutual friend.

And this has NOTHING to do with that contest..... (which if you ask me, was simply invented as a form of damage control).

Now for the last time... unless this involves you, or you have indisputable proof either way (your opinons don't count for shit).... SHUT THE FUCK UP!

Ozzie, I don't know who the hell told you any of that but it is not true and it sounds like maybe we are being used to fight someone elses battle. I dont like the things you have said about Julies but so what , as far as threats , I don't work like that it is not me and everyone who really knows me knows that I don't even get down like that. Your acusations are nasty as hell but HOney I am a busy woman and I don't have much time for anything but my business and I don't have time to care who you are, your identity is safe so why don't you just stop it and behave yourself.

TC123

11-28-2003, 08:07 AM

Originally posted by VV
Now for the last time... unless this involves you, or you have indisputable proof either way (your opinons don't count for shit).... SHUT THE FUCK UP!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!

It's official. Ozzy is the biggest fucking hypocrite of all time. He has been more involved in taking sides in a dispute that supposedly doesn't involve him than either of the principles. Ozzy for 1,738th time - why do you give a fuck about a dispute between 2 providers? You seem to care more than either of them! It doesn't involve you! Take your own advice!!!

ODB

11-28-2003, 02:19 PM

ODB

11-28-2003, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by Thorn
OK.. OK.. I know... a series of posts in this thread and dead horse beating and all... but I have to, I promise, say just ONE more thing.

Julie. You are misjudging your cliental. At least the ones present on this board. They are too long involved in the business. Too savvy, as far as exposure to the real world and how it works. [at least I hope they are].

I am sure you make every effort to avoid having minors involved. Its just not worth the risk. However, to say that your business doesn't make a GREAT deal of money [all I have to do is multiply 5 girls working 6 clients each a day at an average of 225 a pop, and don't tell me that isn't a conservative estimate, to figure your business grosses almost $50,000 per week... and again, I say that is probably conservative]. And to say a business at that level, for as long as you have been open, doesn't pay protection and doesn't have at least casual relations with.... well, lets just say that you'd have to think the average UG john was awfully naive to buy into that notion.

I would be far more inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt if you don't try to insult my intelligence.

You most certainly are misinformed. That wasn't hush money, it was money for the children's education.

Zep51

11-28-2003, 02:24 PM

ODB-

Well, I wouldn't go that far. There are some adult beverages served in the rooms and also in the lounge area. If the lady you are visiting with is not quite ready-you get an opportunity to shoot the shit with the ladies in the lounge. Often some very nice eye candy around.

Behind the doors of the rooms-is some heavy fuckin, pussy eating, and suckin! Smile! Smile!

Captain Kirk

11-28-2003, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by Zep51
ODB-

Well, I wouldn't go that far. There are some adult beverages served in the rooms and also in the lounge area. If the lady you are visiting with is not quite ready-you get an opportunity to shoot the shit with the ladies in the lounge. Often some very nice eye candy around.

Behind the doors of the rooms-is some heavy fuckin, pussy eating, and suckin! Smile! Smile! Damn, all I ever got was water. When they said, "Would you like something to drink?", I thought they meant juice or something. Sheesh.

Julienyc

11-29-2003, 12:42 PM

Originally posted by ODB
It's all sweet and innocent. We have milk and cookies while playing video games. Everyone should try it.

Well obviously our place is for adults with adult minds and adult ages, fucking ,sucking ,and all of the above ,if you want milk and cookies we have that too you can get your cookies off and we will even drink your milk , give me a break please ,does this ever end or will it go on and on................ It does at our house. As for counting the cash at our house , what and why would you care , but if you really do ,I would have retired many years ago have you guys tell it anyway. I would be living in a mansion and own my own buildings but it just aint so baby, I can dream can't I?

littleguy

12-05-2003, 02:47 PM

All I can say is, Damn. Missed my fucking birthday (11/24) session at Julie's AGAIN !!!

(Son-of-a-bitch !!!)

Zep51

12-06-2003, 03:56 AM

LG-Those birthday specials can be pretty good, for the price that is offered. Also, rumor has it that Julie-may stop in every once in awhile to offer a Happy Birthday Wish-to the Birthday Boy. She still has a very nice body, and the two times that I have met her-she still oozes of eroticism.

Phil I Buster

12-06-2003, 11:49 AM

Ohhhhhhhh.... so that's what that ooze was.........

Zep51

12-07-2003, 06:52 AM

Phil My Man-Lets not play with words-please!

fumpton

12-12-2003, 07:38 PM

Any recent reviews or info on the new girls here, specifically Erin?

Hot4Smoke

12-23-2003, 02:09 PM

Why is a thread like this even going?

(Ok, beside the moronic entertainment value some people derive from it...)

Those of us who are or have been regulars at Julie's will continue to be.

Those of you who don't wish to be, fine. As it's been intimated more than once in this thread, NYC is a big freakin' city with all the action you could ever hope for...

Leave the kind lady alone. Has she ever done a SINGLE THING to hurt anyone here?

I seriously doubt it.

If she has, than you must know her a whole lot better than we hobbiests do -- so then it's personal -- and you're carrying out some vendetta here to taint the waters. Which raises the question, what do you hope to gain?

Like I said, we regulars aren't going to stop visiting because of something you post here.

Captain Kirk

12-23-2003, 07:39 PM

was pretty much dead till you woke it up. I'm sure julie will appreciate you for that.

RoosterC74

12-24-2003, 04:09 AM

Capt Kirk,

Let me state this upfront-that I have been to Julies numerous times. Each time-I have received quality service, and friendly treatment by the ladies-while out in the waiting area. The price is reasonable, and the ladies vary in looks, age, and different services that they provide.

However, on this one I gotta agree with you. The issue about Julies, the rumors of being raided or nearly raided, and so and so-on-were kicked around signficantly in this thread. Then someone makes their first post on this Board-by bringing the issue back up. Gotta make you begin to think that this person had an agenda. To me it is fairly obvious.

Intown

12-24-2003, 04:15 AM

My first thought was that Hot4smoke wasn't necessarily on Julies side. There might not be a more conniving camouflaged way to get anti-Julie chatter to erupt again.

RoosterC74

12-24-2003, 04:30 AM

Intown-

I hope that you understand that I was not trying to state that the guy-Hot S. was from Julies side. Indeed he may be from the other corner of the ring. I just found it quite amusing that a person would make their initial post about a topic-that had been dead for quite some time. It usually means that an agenda is in order. In this case-I believe it is most definately the case. Lets face it enough has been written on this Board-for guys to determine if they want to go to Julies or not. It is a personal choice that guys will make, and they can spend their hard earned bucks anywhere that they would like to do.