Live Sex Shows?

[Harlot]

I was wondering if anyone knows of a place in the city where I could go and see live sex shows. The wierder the better, although most anything will do. Even masturbation shows or shooting things out of pussy shows would be cool. I know that Paradise used to periodically host live lesbian shows on stage but I don't think they do that anymore and it was pretty tame anyway.

[VV]

Your local Big D event. More underground than the ass-cons described here on UG, with less of a quality of stripper and more of a quality of sleaze.

While they rarely have male participation (they have on occasion had blow job contests), they often have "masturbation shows or shooting things out of pussy shows".

[Harlot]

Cool. How does one go about getting information on these events?

[busted]

Originally posted by Harlot
Cool. How does one go about getting information on these events?

Look under the agency section of UG - or just on click the top banner

[justlooking]

Ummmm, forgive me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there's any Big D ad in the "agencies" section here (or anywhere on this site).

[Harlot]

What exactly is "Big D"?

[justlooking]

He's an underground "party" promoter. There are lots of them in New York, but most agree that he's the best.

[jasonbuju]

might want to ask around at ASS-con. I don't think his information is available on open PMBs.

[justlooking]

Right.

[Harlot]

The obvious exclusivity of the whole thing just makes me that much more determined to go see it with my own eyes. So, would I be like the only chick there or what?

[justlooking]

Every time I've been to one, one or another of the guys I went with brought a female guest. And each time that guest was the only non-working female in the house.

[BklynGuy]

Sweet Cherry on third ave in BKLYN near WW & Costco, but further south.

Every Tuesday at midnight they have a live lesbian show. Not sure about the cover, .2 I think. Never been but want to check it out, was gonna go tonight, but i dont think I can make it.

They normaly have some ok (not like scores, more like pussycat lounge) dancers so the show may be good.

[Harlot]

I once saw this really horrible lesbian shower show at this dive in Jersey. One girl was sitting on a bench and the other girl was standing behind her shooting the shower massager at her pussy. They were the worst actresses I've ever seen. Imagine her gnawing her gum, staring off into space and emitting these robot-like moans every few seconds.

In a complete monotone -

"Oh yes. oooh. yeah. oooohhh. That's so good. oh yeah...."

[justlooking]

Imagine? Who has to imagine? I just think of most of the women I buy sex from.

[Harlot]

Originally posted by justlooking
Imagine? Who has to imagine? I just think of most of the women I buy sex from.

No way. YOU pay for something like that? Incredible, I never would have thought.

[justlooking]

CHEAP JOKE.

[justlooking]

.

[Just_billys]

Remember Les Girls on 42nd just above 6th? They used to have a booth and in the middle two young hispanic kids, they looked about 18. The would 69 until he shot his wad. You stuck your quater in and got the show.

[justlooking]

Let's face it. This city has gone to hell in a handbasket.

[Harlot]

Originally posted by justlooking
CHEAP JOKE.

what joke? I'm serious. I can't believe that someone with such distinctive taste as yourself would settle for that garbage. it's just not what I expected.

[justlooking]

No. I meant MY post was a cheap joke.

[Harlot]

oooohhhh. ok. Nevermind. phew. I was begining to doubt everything I know and understand.

[Just_billys]

Harlot, you'll get used to JL and hi sense of humor.

[justlooking]

His purported sense of humor.

[Just_billys]

Originally posted by justlooking
His purported sense of humor.
Like Scotch and pussy, an aquired taste.

[Just_billys]

Notice Jb can't spell any better then billyS

[justlooking]

Dead giveaway.

[Shoot2Thrill]

So does anyone know if Sweet Cherry has a show or not. Along the same lines, I read in the paper that Sight's (in Newark) used to have a customer and dancer show is that still true. Or maybe an alternative yet not the same was Pacemaker's (in Irvington) used to have male and female dancers on Monday night's about 5 years ago. Some of the female dancers would get pretty excited and it was not a show but it was interesting!

[Wwanderer]

Originally posted by Harlot
I was wondering if anyone knows of a place in the city where I could go and see live sex shows.

Which city would that be?

-Ww

[Harlot]

New York, of course. What other city is there?

[Casper]

Originally posted by Harlot
I once saw this really horrible lesbian shower show at this dive in Jersey. One girl was sitting on a bench and the other girl was standing behind her shooting the shower massager at her pussy. They were the worst actresses I've ever seen. Imagine her gnawing her gum, staring off into space and emitting these robot-like moans every few seconds.

In a complete monotone -

"Oh yes. oooh. yeah. oooohhh. That's so good. oh yeah...."

And where prey tell is this joint in Jersey ?

[Thorn]

Live sex shows are a thing of the past in all but private parties, and a few underground spots.

The former are very elusive, exclusive, and therefore never even heard of by most.

The latter are not particularly hard to find but actual live sex, while happening occassionally, is rare.

Your third choice are swing clubs. You can fulfill your voyeristic tendencies, or participate. The choice is yours.

As a female it would not be hard to gain entrance [single females are frequently allowed entrance, while males are usually only allowed in as part of a male/female couple], though it might be a bit expensive.

Le Trapeze is the best known in NYC Its on 29th St in Manhattan and its membership fee for couples was $90, if memory serves. [Its been quite a bit since last I was there]

[Wwanderer]

Originally posted by Harlot
New York, of course. What other city is there?

I am reminded of John Lennon's comment when he was asked if he thought Ringo was the best drummer in the world, and he replied, "He is not even the best drummer in the Beatles."

Other than NYC, there are cities that are bigger and smaller, more and less crowded, more and less expensive, cleaner and dirtier, richer and poorer, uglier and more beautiful, more and less cosmopolitan, with wilder/better/bigger and tamer/worse/smaller commercial sex scenes, better and worse food, better and worse public transportation, older and newer, safer and more dangerous, more and less racist, cleaner and dirtier air/water, less and more attractive men/women on average... I could go on almost indefinitely (and have done so in the past).

When I try to think of what is unique/extreme about NYC, the only things that spring immediately to my mind are 1) the importance of its stock markets and financial community and 2) the extent to which its typical inhabitant overestimates how unique and important it is.

-Ww

PS to Harlot - Since you are relatively new here (I think), I should perhaps explain that I do not mean to jump on you in particular. Poking a bit of fun at those who think NYC is THE CITY or even THE WORLD (mostly) is one of my standard UG rants. You can find a bunch of other examples in the archives.

[Harlot]

I really only meant that as a jest anyway.

[justlooking]

I believe the term is "CHEAP JOKE".

[Cat_Ballou]

Originally posted by Wwanderer
I am reminded of John Lennon's comment when he was asked if he thought Ringo was the best drummer in the world, and he replied, "He is not even the best drummer in the Beatles."

Other than NYC, there are cities that are bigger and smaller, more and less crowded, more and less expensive, cleaner and dirtier, richer and poorer, uglier and more beautiful, more and less cosmopolitan, with wilder/better/bigger and tamer/worse/smaller commercial sex scenes, better and worse food, better and worse public transportation, older and newer, safer and more dangerous, more and less racist, cleaner and dirtier air/water, less and more attractive men/women on average... I could go on almost indefinitely (and have done so in the past).

When I try to think of what is unique/extreme about NYC, the only things that spring immediately to my mind are 1) the importance of its stock markets and financial community and 2) the extent to which its typical inhabitant overestimates how unique and important it is.

-Ww

PS to Harlot - Since you are relatively new here (I think), I should perhaps explain that I do not mean to jump on you in particular. Poking a bit of fun at those who think NYC is THE CITY or even THE WORLD (mostly) is one of my standard UG rants. You can find a bunch of other examples in the archives. I agree with all of this, Ww, and I've lived in a number of other cities that were all quite wonderful, each in their own way. But NYC is still unique -- don't know why, but it is...

[Wwanderer]

Originally posted by Cat_Ballou
I agree with all of this, Ww, and I've lived in a number of other cities that were all quite wonderful, each in their own way. But NYC is still unique -- don't know why, but it is...

I think that in some sense all of the "great cities" are unique/special...sort of the definition of a "great city" I suppose. And I have to agree that NYC is really wonderful and special and kewl in many respects; I can see why its inhabitants so love it. My only quarrel with the typical New Yorker (and really, it is more a matter of rattling their chains for the fun of it* than any real quarrel, of course) is that they so undervalue or under appreciate what the rest of the world has to offer, how much more is out there than is in NYC. It is the attitude parodied or illustrated by that famous cover art on some old issue of The New Yorker magazine.

-Ww

*The most fun version of this game I have experienced is that I have twice given dyed-in-the-wool hard core "New York is The CIty" friends whirlwind day long tours of Tokyo that caused both to admit that they would probably never be able to think of NYC in the same way again. One said "Times Square is going to seem pretty modest after this!"

[justlooking]

Originally posted by Wwanderer
Other than NYC, there are cities that are bigger and smaller, more and less crowded, more and less expensive, cleaner and dirtier, richer and poorer, uglier and more beautiful, more and less cosmopolitan, with wilder/better/bigger and tamer/worse/smaller commercial sex scenes, better and worse food, better and worse public transportation, older and newer, safer and more dangerous, more and less racist, cleaner and dirtier air/water, less and more attractive men/women on average... I could go on almost indefinitely (and have done so in the past).

But I'll bet there's NONE that has worse public bathroom facilities.

[Wwanderer]

Originally posted by justlooking
But I'll bet there's NONE that has worse public bathroom facilities.

WRONG!

-Ww

[justlooking]

Remember that existing but disgusting public toilet facilities are better than none.

[Wwanderer]

Originally posted by justlooking
Remember that existing but disgusting public toilet facilities are better than none.

"You REALLY have to get out more."

(This is one of the most naively optimistic things I have ever seen you post. LOL!)

Anyway, there are certainly other cities with no (or virtually no) public toilets in some other cities.

-Ww

[justlooking]

I vomited after using a public toilet in [third-world town I won't identify to avoid outing], and it was still better than being caught in Midtown.

[Wwanderer]

Originally posted by justlooking
I vomited after using a public toilet in [third-world town I won't identify to avoid outing], and it was still better than being caught in Midtown.

My usual solution in Manhattan or other first world places without public toilets is to simply go into some modest looking restaurant and buy a cup of coffee or some small snack or maybe a pack of gum from the display by the cash register and use their "for customers only" facilities. While this may be considered cheating wrt the question of whether disgusting is worse than none at all in a technical sense, it nevertheless means that I'd rather have a strong urge/need in Midtown than in quite a few places I can think of.

-Ww

[VV]

Harlot...

If you want I'll volunteer to escort you to the next 'BIG' Big D event (since I’ve lost my usual date for these and no one here seems to be 'on the ball' to make you the offer). By 'BIG' I mean that you may opt to go when he rents out a suite at a high end midtown hotel rather than the normal parties he throws up in Harlem at grungy watering holes. I'd also like to hear more of your "stupid stripper chit chat" stories.


You could also do a search for Bossman on UG. He also throws an occasional private party and while not nearly as good or on the scale or quality level of Big D... He features "Destiny" who is known for shoving apples up her ass and spitting out chunks.... You’re in for a special treat if she drinks a Corona (not by normal means) and makes Mexican apple sauce. For $10 you can purchase latex gloves and shove some fingers (I've even seen complete fists) up there and take her for a walk around the room.

The best I've seen Big D girls do is use lighted dildo’s up their ass and shoot sliced peaches out of their pussy's and into another girls mouth. When done from several feet away it is quite an impressive feat.

[Shoot2Thrill]

The last private party at Titillations in Bloomfield NJ had numerous light lesbian scenes. No toys, but the dancers were first rate so it was pretty hot but nothing lasted more than 5 minutes. Neverthess, through the night you had at least a 90 minutes of hot live scenes

[everyting210]

"(other cities are) a small woman saying 'fuck me.' NYC is a large man saying 'fuck you!" -- george carlin

NYC is it. It's the capital of the world, end-of-discussion. Tokyo is cool, but it TRIES to be so. If that makes any sense.

[Wwanderer]

Originally posted by everyting210

1 - NYC is it. It's the capital of the world, end-of-discussion.

2 - Tokyo is cool, but it TRIES to be so. If that makes any sense.

Itallics added for emphasis.

1 - Given that last phrase, I suppose it is useless to try to discuss the point, but it might be amusing to hear any reason for the conclusion beyond "because I say so".

2 - As if NYC doesn't?? But anyway, to be clear, I certainly don't regard Tokyo (or any other city) as "the capital of the world, end-of-discussion". Tokyo surpasses NYC in many important and interesting ways, but the opposite is also true I readily admit.

-Ww

[everyting210]

It was late when i made the above post, maybe i should have clarified two things.

one, the above isn't a scientific fact, it's just a 'fact' that one particular 26 years old grad student has observed.

two, by 'tries' i meant 'panders to non- natives to attempt to raise their views of this particular city'. for an example, i present atlanta, which is a city that actually advertises on i-95 to come visit it. New york and yew yorkers (at least this one) know that our city is the best and feel no need to advertise it, it speaks for itself.

now i've only been to 10 or so major cities, i am still young. but i can honestly say that none of these places can compare to nyc:

san juan PR, tokyo, paris (but close), Chicago, Sydney, Mexico city, atlanta (olympics in 96), Charlotte, Miami (again, close), Brussels.

I may just be acting like a NY snot, but it's something i feel strongly about, whether or not someone else can poke holes in my (admittedly very limited) argument. Which you all can feel free to do, heh heh.

[Confused]

Many cities are cosmopolitan and may be fashion / art / financial centers.

There is one thing NY has over all other cities (with the possible exception of london, which NY beats in some other aspects):

New York is the only town where you can come from any place in the world and make yourself at home, feeling like you belong to the city as much as it belongs to you.

Sure, Paris (insert name of some other city) may come close, but just ask an Algerian (insert name of some other ethnicity of religion) if he feels truly at home in Paris or like a second class citizen.

[Wwanderer]

Originally posted by everyting210

1 - it's just a 'fact' that one particular 26 years old grad student has observed.

2 - now i've only been to 10 or so major cities, i am still young. but i can honestly say that none of these places can compare to nyc: san juan PR, tokyo, paris (but close), Chicago, Sydney, Mexico city, atlanta (olympics in 96), Charlotte, Miami (again, close), Brussels.

3 - I may just be acting like a NY snot, but it's something i feel strongly about,

1&2 - You have definitely done well on the travel front for someone your age and have more grounds to hold a strong opinion on this topic than a lot of New Yorkers who have only rarely and briefly, if ever, been far from their city.

3 - Anyway imo, your "observed fact" is simply a reflection of the kind of city you particularly like, that appeals the most to your personal tastes. There is nothing at all wrong with having tastes and favorites, of course, but it is a mistake to think that one's own preferences define such things as "the capitol of the world". I note that the two cities you consider close to NYC are also similar to it in quite a few respects, especially Paris. (In fact, Parisians may overestimate the specialness/uniqueness of their city even more than New Yorkers on average, contrary to my claim above about one of the ways NYC is unique!)

-Ww

[Wwanderer]

Originally posted by Confused
There is one thing NY has over all other cities (with the possible exception of london, which NY beats in some other aspects):

New York is the only town where you can come from any place in the world and make yourself at home, feeling like you belong to the city as much as it belongs to you.

Sure, Paris (insert name of some other city) may come close, but just ask an Algerian (insert name of some other ethnicity of religion) if he feels truly at home in Paris or like a second class citizen.

I think that is a strength of NYC and more generally of the US, but it is not that unique. As you note, London may be even more cosmopolitan, and the fact that NYC surpasses it in some other respects is irrelevant since London also beats NYC in yet other ways (it is much older and more historic, to name just one obvious one; it is safer to name another).

Also, not everyone can easily feel at home in NYC. In fact an American hailing from the rural deep south or far west probably will not feel that he/she belongs to NYC or that it belongs to him/her. Nor, for example, will most Native Americans. And we have not yet left the confines of North America!

-Ww

[Confused]

I really think it is impossible to compare cities and say that one is 'the best' or the center of the universe. Of course, as you noted, we all bring our own biases in interpreting what makes a city great. While one may enjoy the frenetic energy that is the undercurrent of New York, another may think that Venice is the greatest of cities because it may be the most unique.

Although I visit London some half dozen times a year, I can't say whether it is more cosmopolitan than New York. That would be like comparing the speed of several high performance cars that run the quarter mile within an eighth of a second of each other, depending on the driver.

In the past year, I have been to London, Paris, Madrid (where I lived for a couple of years), Lisbon, Melbourne, and Sydney. All these cities are great in their own way. While I consider NY to be more cosmopolitan than Sydney in certain aspects, there is no denying that the topography of Sydney makes it one of the most beautiful cities in the world. Would I want to live there? No. I prefer NY for a variety of reasons (clearly, mongering is not high on my list of what makes a city grand).

As I said before, I will say again, I know of no city that welcomes foreigners the way NY does and gives foreigners a choice of finding their own communities here or merging with other communities once they establish themselves. I hazard to say that many foreigners do not feel as though London belongs to them the way NY does.

NY belongs to the world moreso than any other city. Go to Sydney and you will find it belongs to Aussies. Go to Paris and you will find it belongs to the French. Go to any major city and you will find that the city belongs to the country it sits in.

The reason that people from down south may not feel comfortable in NY (aside from being a place with a pace they are not used to) is that NY, in my humble opinion, does not belong to the US as much as it belongs to the world.

Does that make it the greatest city in the world? Well, coming from immigrant parents, it does in my eyes. Do I expect everyone else to feel the same way? Of course not, the entire world (thank g-d) cannot see through my eyes, otherwise, the world would be a pretty boring place.

(You know, not for nothing, but NY is one of the safest major cities in the world and while London may be safer due to gun control laws, I hardly think that the tiny disparity in safety gives it a leg up on NY (but we can compare london and NY for days and days and never come to a conclusion as to which is the 'better' city)

[Confused]

Ww,

Just to clarify something. When I say that anyone can feel at home in NY, I dismiss those that cannot feel comfortable in a city of its size. NY is not for everyone, but then again, someone coming from a rural area may not feel comfortable in London either. My point wasn't that "everyone" can feel at home in NY, I guess my point was that those who have the capacity to live and thrive in a big city will be welcomed in NY because, NY, moreso than any other city, doesn't treat its adopted citizens as second class citizens.

[Caitlin of New York]

I'm still waiting for my invitation to Bossman's next party. A Big D party sounds like fun too.

[Wwanderer]

Originally posted by Confused

1 - I really think it is impossible to compare cities and say that one is 'the best' or the center of the universe.

2 - As I said before, I will say again, I know of no city that welcomes foreigners the way NY does and gives foreigners a choice of finding their own communities here or merging with other communities once they establish themselves.

3 - NY belongs to the world moreso than any other city. Go to Sydney and you will find it belongs to Aussies. Go to Paris and you will find it belongs to the French. Go to any major city and you will find that the city belongs to the country it sits in.

1 - I agree, and personally would not apply such a label to any city in the world; not one is uniformly superlative in all of the obvious and major characteristics that make a city important or great. To be clear, I am also not trying to criticize or belittle NYC; it is indeed one of the world's great cities, a fine place which is superlative in some significant ways (In above posts I forgot to mention having the world's greatest baseball team, no small thing in my book, plus the Mets.) What I am criticizing is the common New Yorker attitude/belief that simply ignores the many many important ways in which NYC is in just "a part of the pack", one among the many, and not particularly outstanding in either good or bad ways. (I listed a bunch of such things in a post above but could easily expand the list: museums, restaurants, political influence/power, medical care, influence on popular culture, power of organized crime...) In short, I am criticizing the attitude displayed by the George Carlin quote posted above, the "capitol of the world" claim, the "if you can make it here, you can make it anywhere" vanity, the world view parodied in that famous New Yorker cover art etc.

2 - Based on other things you wrote, I think you mean foreign immigrants (redundant I know), not foreign visitors. Right? It is my impression that the latter do not find NYC particularly friendly or hospitable; in fact I have much more often heard NYC criticized by foreign colleagues as a relatively difficult and unpleasant place for an international business travelor than praised.

3 - This I don't really buy. It is too subjective to argue very effectively, but my point is that the whole US is a country of immigrants; NYC may belong to immigrants but those immigrants simply are the Americans. So, I do not see that NYC belongs to the Americans any less than Paris belongs to the French. In other words, I do not think that, say, a Greek person living in Greece sees NYC as any more his/her city than he sees London or Melbourne or Paris as his/her city. (In fact, he/she probably doesn't think of any of them as his/hers.)

-Ww

[Wwanderer]

Originally posted by Confused
moreso than any other city, doesn't treat its adopted citizens as second class citizens.

Well, as a (not yet dead) white man, it is not really for me to say, but I wonder what fraction of the dark skinned inhabitants of NYC feel like second class citizens. If I were taking a survey, I might start with an African American man trying to hail a taxi in Midtown.

-Ww

[Wwanderer]

Also, I should be clear that I do not mean any of this too seriously. I just enjoy rattling the chains of New Yorkers who think that their city is somehow The City. I think that they don't realize quite how silly and foolishly parochial this vanity looks to most of the rest of the world. It makes them seem slightly absurd, sort of like one of those much charicatured Texans with the "everything is bigger and better where I come from" attitude.

-Ww

[Confused]

Clearly, you enjoy rattling chains.

I think it was implicit in my posts that I was talking about foreign immigrants. The idea that a greek fisherman in Zakinthos (sp?) who has never visited NY would consider that this city belongs to him is ludicrous. Having had a conversation with such a middle aged fisherman, I was surprised to learn that he had lived in the States for a few years, Miami and NY. Hated both. He preferred ferrying tourists on his little boat with his brother and son to grottos and little islands. Said that between the surroundings and being able to spend the days under the sun with his brother and son, he lived in Paradise and wanted for nothing. NY didn't belong to him and vice versa. Now, the owner of the greek diner on 76th and Broadway who grew up in Athens and emigrated here for opporunity and whose sons are now in Med School, well............you get my point.



I think we can agree to disagree.

[Wwanderer]

Originally posted by Confused

1 - Clearly, you enjoy rattling chains.

2 - I think it was implicit in my posts that I was talking about foreign immigrants.

3 - a greek fisherman in Zakinthos (sp?) ... Said that between the surroundings and being able to spend the days under the sun with his brother and son, he lived in Paradise and wanted for nothing.

4 - I think we can agree to disagree.

1 - Yes, at least sometimes when I am in the mood for it.

2 - Yes, and your contention that one unique feature of NYC is that its history and character are more dominated by immigration from a wide variety of other lands than any other major world city (my version/wording of your point) is interesting and correct as far as I know. Imo, this does not qualify it to be considered "The CIty", so to speak, but it is nevertheless a significant point.

3 - Yes, you can find people like that nearly everywhere. It seems to be a normal part of being human to see oneself as living at the center of the world, at the crown of creation, so to speak. The mythologies of most primitive peoples so locate themselves. And, as perhaps you meant to imply, this is pretty much the same thing that is going on with New Yorkers. It is just a bit more pronounced a feature of the local NYC world view than it is in a lot of other places.

4 - Yes, that's ok with me.

-Ww

[Confused]

Originally posted by Wwanderer
1 - Yes, at least sometimes when I am in the mood for it.

2 - Yes, and your contention that one unique feature of NYC is that its history and character are more dominated by immigration from a wide variety of other lands than any other major world city (my version/wording of your point) is interesting and correct as far as I know. Imo, this does not qualify it to be considered "The CIty", so to speak, but it is nevertheless a significant point.

3 - Yes, you can find people like that nearly everywhere. It seems to be a normal part of being human to see oneself as living at the center of the world, at the crown of creation, so to speak. The mythologies of most primitive peoples so locate themselves. And, as perhaps you meant to imply, this is pretty much the same thing that is going on with New Yorkers. It is just a bit more pronounced a feature of the local NYC world view than it is in a lot of other places.

4 - Yes, that's ok with me.

-Ww

You almost got my point #2 had you taken it just a bit further. It isn't simply that NYs history of immigration sets it apart from other cities, but rather, that such history allows our adopted New Yorkers (who, after all, are true New Yorkers because their desire elevates this city) to feel at home here moreso than if they had emigrated to most other cities. Does that make it "The City"? Well, if it were possible for a city to be "The City", then NY would certainly be in contention.

BTW, isn't it a bit funny that New Yorkers have a reputation of believing that theirs' is "The City" when, as far as I know, only London really, among Londoners anyway, is referred to as "The City" on signs throughout London and its surrounding areas?

Anyway, although you make a fair point in that part of being human is to believe you are at the center of the universe, that isn't what I was implying with the greek fisherman story. Although that assertion may have been true in the days before maps, telephones, computers etc., I doubt this greek fisherman thought Zaginthos was the 'center of the universe' (of course, most of us think we live in the center of the universe inasmuch as our problems are the most important problems in the universe but I don't think that was your point), I meant that many people are not suited for, nor do they want a piece of city life. Further, once you take these people out of our 'sample', and you only include those within the sample that are comfortable and thrive in a city, then I hazard to say that NY will adopt them, and they will adopt NY with greater ease than many cities (if not all) in the world. I cannot speak to the universe as, unfortunately, I haven't had the opportunity to leave earth, yet.

As to your point 4, apparently easier said than done.

[justlooking]

"The City" isn't really synonymous with London, though. As London has expanded, "The City" is really just a designation for a part of London (the part that was originally the whole). So when Londoners talk of "The City", they don't mean London, they mean the financial district. Right?

[Wwanderer]

Originally posted by justlooking
So when Londoners talk of "The City", they don't mean London, they mean the financial district. Right?

That is my understanding also.

I have also heard New Yorkers use "The City" to refer to Manhattan. For example, I have heard someone living in Queens say something like "I went into The City last night" to mean that they went into Manhattan.

-Ww

[Wwanderer]

Some countries are totally dominated by a single city (Paris is surely "The CIty" in France and London in England and, even more extreme, Santiago in Chile). They are not only the single biggest city in the country, but they essentially dominate all other cities in the country in nearly all significant respects. Fwiiw, I don't think NYC has, or has ever had, that sort of relationship to the US. There are other cities in the country that rival or exceed it in significant ways. (To be clear, there are also plenty of countries in which the situation is like that in the US in this regard, that is no one city dominates the nation's urban life: Italy, Japan and Australia would be examples.)

-Ww

[justlooking]

The difference there is that when Manhattanites say "the City" they mean the City of New York (which they might not admit includes five boroughs rather than one, but that's another story). It's only the outer-borough types who say "the City" for Manhattan to the exclusion of the outer boroughs.

[Confused]

My understanding of the use of "The City" in London is slightly different. Of course, while it does mean the financial center, I believe it is also used to refer to other parts of London proper when outside of the City of London (surely, the further away you are from London proper, the more it is used to denote London proper).

I remember riding on the motorway (M-40?) from Acton or Notting Hill and seeing signs for "The City", which signs essentially disappeared once we hit more congested areas (ie, Chelsea, Soho, Covent Gardens, etc).

Then again, I don't live there (amost moved there for a girl (sigh), although I certainly wouldn't mind for a year or three.

[Wwanderer]

Originally posted by Confused
I believe it is also used to refer to other parts of London proper when outside of the City of London (surely, the further away you are from London proper, the more it is used to denote London proper).

Yeah, now that you mention it, I have heard it used that way too.

-Ww

[Cloud Nine]

Once you've seen a woman blow a donkey, everything else pales in comparison....

[Confused]

Holy moly!

Ww agreed with me and he did it in one sentence!!!

Worlds are about to collide!

[Wwanderer]

Originally posted by Confused
Holy moly!
Ww agreed with me and he did it in one sentence!!!
Worlds are about to collide!

Note that C9 lost it at that point.

-Ww

[Cloud Nine]

Lost it?!

I never had it!

[Confused]

Originally posted by Wwanderer
Note that C9 lost it at that point.

-Ww

True, I guess my excitement got the better of me.

[bosstix]

Most of this thread is the debate of how great NYC is not about live sex shows!
So I think the heading should be changed!
I enjoy live sex shows! I prefer them to a Lap Dance! That's why I don't really go to strip clubs anymore. Even at many strip clubs they don't even have stage shows. There are dancers that don't want to get on stage? I tell them that is how their potential customers are going to see them? But I do go to certain underground parties for the shows. So it goes without saying that when I throw a party, I have to have Girls that put on a show like Destiny making a fruit salad or ***** who Fucks herself in her ass and pussy at the same time with lit up dildos. Just like I used to do to her. LOL. How about the time ******
gave one of my customers a blowjob right on stage as he sat there smoking a joint with his friends and she was getting eaten out by another dancer?

[Shoot2Thrill]

With respect to the girls with toys or girl on girl scene it not common place but depending on how often you are in the right place at the right time you can see a number of them at underground events. A few mainstream clubs in nj have once in a while may have a pair of dancers who do pretty good for the venue but again I don't think that really does any kind of comparison to 42nd st years ago. I understand World Paradise in Irvington has male and female dancers on Monday nights. I have not gone to check it out and I don't think it really sex yet it may have potential to have some erotic performance value. I do plan to see one of these Monday's but have not thus far.

[Slinky Bender]

I think I miss whorelet.

[h. von bingen]

i second that emotion.

[zarathustra88]

Features a 2 girl sex show every nite of the week (though I haven't been in a few months) I think they volunteer on the basis of their compatibility--they eat each other, dildo each other--have seen two fucking the same dildo---shove lolipops and marachino cherries up their holes and auction them off and feed them to the drunken PLs--all in a mainstream club that can be surprisingly under-patronized on a weeknite. It's an everynite thing you have to see to believe, and I've never understood how they get away with it. It's all fine with me, 'cause I love the place.

[h. von bingen]

road trip!

[ballys20]

The Harmony Club on 22nd street "used to" have some shows - but I haven't been there in years.

[Thorn]

Originally posted by ballys20
The Harmony Club on 22nd street "used to" have some shows - but I haven't been there in years.

Neither has anyone else.

[bosstix]

Make sure you wear your bulletproof vest!