To Billys From Extreem.... [Archive]

newextreem

08-17-2003, 12:49 AM

After reading all of you guys replies it seems that we at EXTREEM ENTERTAINMENT have talked about this and agree that an apoligy
is so needed now..

It was a mistake on our part, and that will never happen again,unless you say to call you back,

we want to have clients that are comfortable with us.a lot of biz have came our way, and we thank you, as for you billys i still say it should have been dead on the phone call back. only reason why we called cause we have called before and spoke to him..still that is no reason to COLDCALL. i will not say "my bad" i will say SORRY TO ALL THAT ARE OFFENDED. we are in biz cause of you guys and we are not to big headed to see that the client has to want to call.and this type of stuff isnt going to get it..

we are not reckless we are human,and we made a mistake, and we apoligized.
thank you..

EXTREEM ENTERTAINMENT

kunny

08-17-2003, 03:50 AM

That is a mature and professional way to handle that situation.

Kudos to you and I'll be coming by to check out your spot.

TC123

08-17-2003, 05:30 AM

Great answer Extreem!

mojosair

08-17-2003, 07:03 AM

Agreed.....now be careful about the hotel "parties, gang bangs, etc" that is stuff the news would jump all over. Escorts, apts, etc are no news.

But internet style free for alls would be all over the paper or TV, and it could come back home in a bad way.

Just a friendly word of advice.

Casper

08-17-2003, 07:39 AM

I'll take the more cynical approach and say they had no other choice but to apologize. After all how many of us posted they were wrong? All of us did and them we suggested they apologize. Well now that's a no brainer for them and they had no choice but to act like they did ...........
cold calling: Just another manifestation of people putting money before proper etiquette and respect of one's privacy.

jasonbuju

08-17-2003, 08:37 AM

DITTO

nuthin

08-17-2003, 09:46 AM

Originally posted by Casper
cold calling: Just another manifestation of people putting money before proper etiquette and respect of one's privacy.

Oh, I thought that was the definition of capitalism...

Psychosis

08-17-2003, 09:49 AM

To be quite honest I think it was good for them to apologize but their initial reaction and response already made my mind up for me as to never use them. I agree with Casper's theory that they had no choice being that everyone was down on them. It was purely a financial decision on their part. The apology is a CYA/COA apology.

howardnotstern

08-17-2003, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by newextreem
.... as for you billys i still say it should have been dead on the phone call back. only reason why we called cause we have called before and spoke to him...

who is this apology meant for, billys or the rest of the customer base?

i always love being told 'i'm sorry, but i still say i was right'

nuthin

08-17-2003, 10:10 AM

Originally posted by Psychosis
To be quite honest I think it was good for them to apologize but their initial reaction and response already made my mind up for me as to never use them. I agree with Casper's theory that they had no choice being that everyone was down on them. It was purely a financial decision on their part. The apology is a CYA/COA apology.

For those of us who are acronym-challenged, can somebody explain what "CYA/COA" means?

Buddah

08-17-2003, 10:14 AM

cover your ass / cover our ass

howardnotstern

08-17-2003, 10:14 AM

and before apologizing, newextreem carried the argument further, continuing to defend the indefensible. even played the race card:
Originally posted by newextreem
the the fuck are you talking about, you are wrong about that, what are saying somthing racist come on you can say it!!!!

i think that business model darwin award is intact.

newextreem

08-17-2003, 10:17 AM

Originally posted by howardnotstern
and before apologizing, newextreem carried the argument further, continuing to defend the indefensible. even played the race card:

i think that business model darwin award is intact.

] come on i know what he was saying!!! that had nothing to do with the topic, read the post i replied to...AGAIN
waht does taking a ***** out the ghetto means? i didnt play the card , i just KNOW that has nothing to do with were a person lives or even lived..
ALIZE

mojosair

08-17-2003, 12:14 PM

She made a mistake. Why not take her at her word?

Girl has a hard job working in the sex business......if it doesn't happen again, no harm done, right? Sure she had no choice but to apologize but that is OK....these are the rules and thats that.

If you want UG business, no cold calls, call backs, etc.

TC123

08-17-2003, 12:27 PM

Both threads wiuld be easier to follow if we new which posts were by Extreem and which by Alize. Except for the last post, none are signed.

jasonbuju

08-17-2003, 03:19 PM

moving past the apology.

i am sure that everyone is interested in how much information you keep on guys that see new extreem and whether or not you will continue to do so.

jasonbuju

08-17-2003, 03:21 PM

casper,

christmas cards idea was a joke but you never know with some of the shit i have seen lately

hedonism4me

08-17-2003, 04:01 PM

Hold on now. Extreem Entertainment apologized. They did the right thing, and it does no one any good by analyzing it to death.

I personally have had nothing but positive experiences with Extreem Entertainment's management and staff. Since nothing actually resulted from the call, I think we should cut EE some slack.

Rocco

Psychosis

08-17-2003, 04:27 PM

Your right they did apologize but only after all the negative comments that were posted by others. Their original stance was that they did nothing wrong. They had no intention of apologizing until they saw our reactions and then said Oh Oh. So in reality even though they apologized its not with the right intentions or an admission of wrong. It is a gee I can lose customers if I dont apologize

TC123

08-17-2003, 05:04 PM

Originally posted by hedonism4me
Hold on now. Extreem Entertainment apologized. They did the right thing, and it does no one any good by analyzing it to death.

I personally have had nothing but positive experiences with Extreem Entertainment's management and staff. Since nothing actually resulted from the call, I think we should cut EE some slack.

Rocco

Since you had a good experience with them, then you decide that nobody else is allowed to discuss a bad one, and it's many implications? Try having more than 2 posts before you tell the rest of us what we are and are not allowed to discuss.

RobbRoy

08-17-2003, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by howardnotstern
who is this apology meant for, billys or the rest of the customer base?

i always love being told 'i'm sorry, but i still say i was right'

I agree...a very weak apology at that.

littleguy

08-18-2003, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by Psychosis
Your right they did apologize but only after all the negative comments that were posted by others. Their original stance was that they did nothing wrong. They had no intention of apologizing until they saw our reactions and then said Oh Oh. So in reality even though they apologized its not with the right intentions or an admission of wrong. It is a gee I can lose customers if I dont apologize

I don't know who "hedonism" is but so what. He(?)'s right.

First you jump ugly with newextreem (rightly so I may add) for doing what they did and demand an apology and (some) say you'll never use them after that incident no matter what.

Then they "talk it over"(?), admit their mistake (and of course we, and they, know they're doing it to protect their business interests. So what ?) decide you guys are right and promise not to do it again and you're still jumping ugly with them.

What's the matter ? You guys never make mistakes yourselves ??? You deserve a 2nd chance, no ? Don't they ?

There's just no pleasing some people, is there ?

justme

08-18-2003, 12:11 PM

It does seem like this is being dragged on quite a bit. I think there's already enough for any reasonably intelligent person to asses their risk in using this service. I'm not too sure what further negative comments will accomplish.

gpiper

08-18-2003, 01:59 PM

Well extreme did apologize and geez i'm not gonna name names, but there are a few hot escorts who i've been calling for a while who rarely get back to me, guess their so busy or whatever. Since i'm single with my own cell it obviously wouldn't bother me as much to get an unwarranted call back...I think i'm beginning to ramble here...Haven't posted in a bit.

hedonism4me

08-18-2003, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by TC123
Since you had a good experience with them, then you decide that nobody else is allowed to discuss a bad one, and it's many implications? Try having more than 2 posts before you tell the rest of us what we are and are not allowed to discuss.

Since some people, like yourself, won't give a person credibility unless they have "x" amount of posts, I might as well start racking up (useless) posts by responding to yours.

I'm not telling anyone to do anything. Didn't mean to sound that strong. I'm just giving my input that I feel EE should not be condemned for a problem that did not evolve. That is why I said " I THINK " we should cut EE some slack. Maybe you post so much, you forget to read what other people write. Or maybe I should have written "IMO". But then again, I have only posted one other time. What do I know. I guess you didn't start at post #1? I guess you are perfect and expect "the rest of us" to be also. I didn't think I needed a lawyer to review my post before I sent it. BTW, it sounds to me like YOU are speaking for every other user on this board.

EE did not have to apologize. Many, many, many people don't, no matter how wrong they are. No matter what is at stake.

My point is: EE did apologize and said it wouldn't happen again. Why don't they deserve a 2nd chance? (InMyHumbleOpinion)

Maybe if you used their service, you wouldn't be so hostile and negative! Especially to a newbie like myself. Peace.

Psychosis

08-18-2003, 04:31 PM

Originally posted by littleguy

You deserve a 2nd chance, no ? Don't they ?

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Sorry I dont give second chances. Just ask my ex friends. They'll tell you screw or fuck up with me once and your history. Once trust is broken it is never the same whether it be with a friend, lover or family member.

John99

08-18-2003, 07:24 PM

Regardless of the reason for the apology...I know NewExtreem took the complaints seriously, took the feed back, and acted accordingly.

Alize provides great service. She is a sweet girl., and she is smart. She does however, have a bit of a temper on these boards when someone is being critical, and at times can lack basic professional diplomacy. At times she has made situations worse by replying defensively.

This type of professionalism does not come easily to everyone. It did not come easy to me. She is young and she is learning. If she masters this aspect of the business...there will be no stopping the girl.

bobo529

08-18-2003, 07:43 PM

Wanna know why she apologized? One word: MONEY. She realized that if she did not apologize she would be losing out on alot of money.

Casper

08-18-2003, 07:46 PM

You say that like it's a bad thing. ;)

clubber

08-18-2003, 08:31 PM

Originally posted by Psychosis
Sorry I dont give second chances.

So I suppose you don't expect to GET second chances when YOU screw up? That's a tough world you've created for yourself.

Psychosis

08-19-2003, 05:40 AM

Originally posted by clubber
So I suppose you don't expect to GET second chances when YOU screw up? That's a tough world you've created for yourself.

I do not expect second chances nor do I ask for them. I screw up I screw up thats it. I dont expect forgiveness and I dont forgive. Once something is done it cannaot be undone no matter how many apologies are given or attempted. I have always been told that I am a cold person by everyone who knows me and I have come to realize that this is who I am and there is nothing I can do about it, nor do I want to.

littleguy

08-19-2003, 07:16 AM

Originally posted by bobo529
Wanna know why she apologized? One word: MONEY. She realized that if she did not apologize she would be losing out on alot of money.

No shit !!

And if YOU were in business you would have done what exactly differently ?

(And why, of course ?)

littleguy

08-19-2003, 07:26 AM

Originally posted by Psychosis
I do not expect second chances nor do I ask for them. I screw up I screw up thats it. I dont expect forgiveness and I dont forgive. Once something is done it cannaot be undone no matter how many apologies are given or attempted. I have always been told that I am a cold person by everyone who knows me and I have come to realize that this is who I am and there is nothing I can do about it, nor do I want to.

That's a very tough road you've chosen to "hoe".

Good luck to you. (You'll need it)

justme

08-19-2003, 07:47 AM

I'm imagining the Psychosis Guide to Raising Children.

bobo529

08-19-2003, 08:19 AM

Originally posted by littleguy
No shit !!

And if YOU were in business you would have done what exactly differently ?

(And why, of course ?)

I would have apologized right away, not wait to see the backlash.

Psychosis

08-19-2003, 08:25 AM

Originally posted by justme
I'm imagining the Psychosis Guide to Raising Children.

Sorry cant help you there. I dont like children. I find them annoying and troublesome. I see what some of my freinds go thru with their kids and I thank God that I dont have any (that I know of anyway). Nothing bothers me more than hearing a child cry unless of course he or she is in pain thats different. I mean crying because its a spoiled brat or something like that. It really cuts into me so bad that I have to leave the room because I just want somebody to shut the little bastard up. This is why when I go to a gathering I want to know if kids are allowed, if they are I dont go. When I plan a get together with friends I make it clear no children. Patience is a virtue I have never grasped. I have asked my friends if knowing what they now know about raising children would they still have any and I would say roughly 75% say no rather quickly.

justme

08-19-2003, 08:48 AM

Nothing surprising there.

justme

08-19-2003, 08:49 AM

I wonder what Psychosis thinks of Ayn Rand.

Toreador

08-19-2003, 09:03 AM

Originally posted by Psychosis
I do not expect second chances nor do I ask for them. I screw up I screw up thats it. I dont expect forgiveness and I dont forgive. Once something is done it cannaot be undone no matter how many apologies are given or attempted. I have always been told that I am a cold person by everyone who knows me and I have come to realize that this is who I am and there is nothing I can do about it, nor do I want to.

Perhaps you ought to change your handle to Psychotic

newextreem

08-19-2003, 09:08 AM

Originally posted by Psychosis
Sorry cant help you there. I dont like children. I find them annoying and troublesome. I see what some of my freinds go thru with their kids and I thank God that I dont have any (that I know of anyway). Nothing bothers me more than hearing a child cry unless of course he or she is in pain thats different. I mean crying because its a spoiled brat or something like that. It really cuts into me so bad that I have to leave the room because I just want somebody to shut the little bastard up. This is why when I go to a gathering I want to know if kids are allowed, if they are I dont go. When I plan a get together with friends I make it clear no children. Patience is a virtue I have never grasped. I have asked my friends if knowing what they now know about raising children would they still have any and I would say roughly 75% say no rather quickly.

hey hey hey,you were a kid once your self,the way you talk like you came into this world a grown ass man....you made mistakes and you cant say you NEVER said sorry in your life????? no fucking way. the more i read your post,you seem like the making of a mad man, may be in the next jason VS freddy.it would be you killing EVERYBODY in the movie. the plot will be like this...

a guy post somthing on a messege board,and he makes a simple mistake, so he hits the EDIT tab on the board....and instead of the post getting edited YOU pop up out of the COMPUTER and say "YOU MAD A MISTAKE AHHHGGGGGGGG!!!!!" and kill him..

maybe it could be called...."PSYCHOSIS BOARD"
"the next post ..may be your LAST"

hey im calling HOLLYWOOD right now to try and sell this idea...LOL

EXTREEM

Wwanderer

08-19-2003, 09:37 AM

Originally posted by Psychosis
Patience is a virtue I have never grasped.

If one had to identify a single personality trait that adults have and young children don't, patience is probably the best choice. Little kids want what the want and they want it RIGHT NOW, else they throw a fit.

-Ww

Kimmie

08-19-2003, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by Psychosis
I have asked my friends if knowing what they now know about raising children would they still have any and I would say roughly 75% say no rather quickly.

I say this all the time,but I can not imagine my life without my children.

Yes, they drive me to drink sometimes, but there is no greater joy then children.

Psychosis

08-19-2003, 11:05 AM

I cannot change who or what I am. Yes I have been known by friends and family to have done things that others can never even think of doing but this is who I am. No apologies for being who or what I am.

By the way newextreem your idea was already made into a movie. It didnt do well though. Also just because I was once a child does not mean that I have to like children.

Wwanderer: I have patience for many things just not children. I guess I just dont have that parent instinct. I guess I should have stated it better in my previous post.

Kimmie: I respect your view on children and I am glad that your kids bring you happiness.

Maybe my family is correct. Maybe I'm just not human (LOL) but I make no apologies for it.

We each have to make decisions in life and deal with the consequenses that these decisions bring.

I think we are getting way off topic here dont you guys. Besides all is well betwen billyS and newextreem and thats all that matters, right?

Wwanderer

08-19-2003, 12:18 PM

Originally posted by Psychosis
Wwanderer: I have patience for many things just not children. I guess I just dont have that parent instinct. I guess I should have stated it better in my previous post.

Actually, I think it is a good thing when people who "just don't have that parent instinct" are self-aware enough to recognize the fact and to refrain from becoming a parent. A lot of misery in the world is generated by people having kids they don't really want because they think it is what they are supposed to do.

-Ww

sulu

08-19-2003, 01:24 PM

Originally posted by Wwanderer
Actually, I think it is a good thing when people who "just don't have that parent instinct" are self-aware enough to recognize the fact and to refrain from becoming a parent. A lot of misery in the world is generated by people having kids they don't really want because they think it is what they are supposed to do.

-Ww

[tremendous round of applause]

Casper

08-19-2003, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by Kimmie
I say this all the time,but I can not imagine my life without my children.

Yes, they drive me to drink sometimes, but there is no greater joy then children.

Print that out and carry it with you all times !!!

Some people have short memories (albeit large mamories)

TC123

08-19-2003, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by hedonism4me
Since some people, like yourself, won't give a person credibility unless they have "x" amount of posts, I might as well start racking up (useless) posts by responding to yours.

OK, that makes 3.

Originally posted by hedonism4me
I'm not telling anyone to do anything. Didn't mean to sound that strong. I'm just giving my input that I feel EE should not be condemned for a problem that did not evolve. That is why I said " I THINK " we should cut EE some slack.

Fair enough.

Originally posted by hedonism4me
Maybe you post so much, you forget to read what other people write. Or maybe I should have written "IMO". But then again, I have only posted one other time. What do I know.

Exactly! That's why I'm here to help you.

Originally posted by hedonism4me
I guess you didn't start at post #1?

See - you'd be mistaken here. Everyone starts at Post #1. Ater that comes Post #2. Then Post #3. I'd tell you what comes after that but I don't want to spoil the surprise. As I said, I'm here to help you.

Originally posted by hedonism4me
I guess you are perfect and expect "the rest of us" to be also.

Not everyone, just you.

Originally posted by hedonism4me
I didn't think I needed a lawyer to review my post before I sent it.

You're in luck - we have one! Hopefully Lawyer101 will come by and review your posts for you. While he's there, ask him about that First Amendment thing. You seem to be the one telling everyone else what we're allowed to post.

Originally posted by hedonism4me
BTW, it sounds to me like YOU are speaking for every other user on this board.

Now that would be wrong, wouldn't it? Back atcha, dude.

Originally posted by hedonism4me
EE did not have to apologize. Many, many, many people don't, no matter how wrong they are. No matter what is at stake.

My point is: EE did apologize and said it wouldn't happen again. Why don't they deserve a 2nd chance? (InMyHumbleOpinion)

Great point. No argument. But maybe you shouldn't assume that it "does no one any good" by holding an opposing viewpoint, and exploring all the ramifications. It does a lot of good, so the rest of us can make informed choices.

Originally posted by hedonism4me
Maybe if you used their service, you wouldn't be so hostile and negative! Especially to a newbie like myself.

Hostile? Please. You want to see hostile, pick a fight with nuthin.

Originally posted by hedonism4me
Peace.

Always. Welcome to the board.

TC123

08-19-2003, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by bobo529
Wanna know why she apologized? One word: MONEY. She realized that if she did not apologize she would be losing out on alot of money.

And?

That's what any smart, successful businessperson does. They listen to their customers and give them what they want at a reasonable price. If they screw up, they do what they can to make it right, if possible. If you don't do right by your customers, sooner or later you go out of business. Being customer-focused is good business practice, and good business practices make money. That's what people are in business for - to make money. Where's the harm in that?

Kimmie

08-19-2003, 04:48 PM

Originally posted by Psychosis
I cannot change who or what I am. Yes I have been known by friends and family to have done things that others can never even think of doing but this is who I am. No apologies for being who or what I am.

By the way newextreem your idea was already made into a movie. It didnt do well though. Also just because I was once a child does not mean that I have to like children.

Wwanderer: I have patience for many things just not children. I guess I just dont have that parent instinct. I guess I should have stated it better in my previous post.

Kimmie: I respect your view on children and I am glad that your kids bring you happiness.

Maybe my family is correct. Maybe I'm just not human (LOL) but I make no apologies for it.

We each have to make decisions in life and deal with the consequenses that these decisions bring.

I was not implying that your dislike of kids was wrong. My point was, just because your friends tell you they could go back and not have had kids, they wouldnt have had them, it does not mean thats how they really feel.

I can not even count how many times I have said to myself, and others, If I could go back , I would never have had kids, especially when they are fighting, or not doing as they are told. But, of course, I never mean it.

I think it's great you know you can not handle being a parent, because imagine if you were, you would be one shitty pop..

No offense..

Kimmie

08-19-2003, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by Casper
Print that out and carry it with you all times !!!

Some people have short memories (albeit large mamories)

He's my conscience now..

Ay dios mios..

clubber

08-19-2003, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by TC123

Hostile? Please. You want to see hostile, pick a fight with nuthin.

Proposed Amendment:

You want to see hostile, pick a fight with Ozzy.

billyS

08-19-2003, 06:18 PM

08-19-2003, 06:31 PM

You want someone with a hidden agenda see Clubber.

He saw a provider once and spoke highly of her.... That is until she rebuffed his personal advances. Then he commenced to bash her here for months (actually for more than a year) for a variety of reasons that he had zero first hand knowledge of.

This is a lesson... You continue to throw stones at me for no apparent reason and I'll drop boulders on your pathetic ass.

Keep it up Clubber... I've still got lots more to say.

08-19-2003, 06:39 PM

I almost forgot....

Clubbers reason (hidden agenda) for continuously taunting poor old Ozzy?

Jealousy!

Psychosis

08-20-2003, 02:18 AM

Originally posted by Kimmie
I was not implying that your dislike of kids was wrong. My point was, just because your friends tell you they could go back and not have had kids, they wouldnt have had them, it does not mean thats how they really feel.

I can not even count how many times I have said to myself, and others, If I could go back , I would never have had kids, especially when they are fighting, or not doing as they are told. But, of course, I never mean it.

I think it's great you know you can not handle being a parent, because imagine if you were, you would be one shitty pop..

No offense..

I understand kimmie. Let me clarify my feelings on kids. Its not that I dont like kids its that there is something about a kid constantly nagging or crying that just gets to me. I go out shopping and I see kids making noise, jumping around and taking stuff off of the shelves and the parents say and do nothing. If it was me I would have already told my kid to stop it and stay by my side and not move until I told him to. Also kids in a movie theater always talking thats another thing that gets to me. These are just two examples of kids being annoying. Now let me tell you something else. I have a neighbor and she has 2 well behaved, well mannered kids. they are 8 and 5 and they are such good kids that I let them come into my house to watch cable (their mom is a single mom and cant afford cable right now). But when those kids are here they are so well behaved that I sometimes forget they are here at all. I'm not that bad I just have my perks towards kids. No offense taken Kimmie at all I know what you meant.

clubber

08-20-2003, 03:26 AM

Originally posted by VV
You want someone with a hidden agenda see Clubber.

He saw a provider once and spoke highly of her.... That is until she rebuffed his personal advances. Then he commenced to bash her here for months (actually for more than a year) for a variety of reasons that he had zero first hand knowledge of.

Well, if that isn't an example of the pot calling the kettle black.
Talk about "zero first hand knowledge?" All of Ozzy's info about this was obtained from the provider. That's called SECOND hand knowledge, and very biased info at that. While I certainly HAVE hade personal communication with providers, including the one VV is referring to, I challenge either OZZY OR the provider to dispute any of the factual comments I've made about her performance in session.

And what does "he commenced to bash her...for a variety of reasons that he had zero first hand knowledge of" MEAN exactly anyway? That I didn't know why I was bashing her? That makes no sense, so I have no idea what it's talking about.

In fact, it would be interesting if Ozzy could back up his assertion and find any instances where I spoke highly about this particular provider's service AFTER SEEING HER. And since I saw her last November, his claim that "then he commenced to bash her here for months (actually for more than a year)" is clearly not true.

So c'mon, let's see some instances of me "bashing" anyone over the period of "more than a year." The only one I've "bashed" for over a year is OZZY.

So, VV or Ozzy, or whoever you're calling yourself this week, why not try tossing in some FACTS?

Captain Kirk

08-20-2003, 07:39 AM

Originally posted by Psychosis
If it was me I would have already told my kid to stop it and stay by my side and not move until I told him to. That's funny. Until you live the life you can't really say what you would do. You think you know but the whole process changes you. There's more to raising a good kid than being well mannered at the food store.

justme

08-20-2003, 09:32 AM

I wonder why people are picking on Psychosis. I mean, his stated viewpoints do paint an unflattering picture (to many), but it's not like he seems to do anything bad.

(My own posts above were meant as well meaning jokes.)

Wwanderer

08-20-2003, 10:12 AM

Originally posted by Captain Kirk
You think you know but the whole process changes you.

That is quite true. It is really impossible to know in advance whether you would enjoy being a parent or would be good at it because, for many/most people, it changes you so much that you are not really the same person that you were before the baby arrived. Imo, it may really activate basic biological "software" (or maybe it should be called "wetware") that you did not even know you had. (There is even some serious research to support that point of view; the unconscious physiological reactions of people to photographs of infants is measurably different after their first child is born!) In many respects you get a new personality...or new parts of your personality. This is perhaps even more true for women than men, but in my own case, I think I changed as much when I became a father as I did when I went through puberty.

All that said, I still think it is wise for people who feel that they would not want to be parents to respect that feeling and stay childless. It is not as though the world needs more children, and there is little more awful and needless misery than that an unwanted child is likely to have to endure.

-Ww

Psychosis

08-20-2003, 10:46 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by justme
I wonder why people are picking on Psychosis. I mean, his stated viewpoints do paint an unflattering picture (to many), but it's not like he seems to do anything bad.

(My own posts above were meant as well meaning jokes.) [/QUOTE

I dont mind I'm used to people not agreeing with me or calling me strange because of the way I think but thats life. Everyone tries to tell me that having a child changes you but that is no excuse for a parent letting a child behave like an animal in public or in someones home. Learning respect and manners and behavior is something that should be taught at home and reinforced when not followed. Parents who dont do this and let the kids get away with all the crap are shit parents and when their child does something wrong they (the parents) should be held accountable. Thanks for defending me but its not worth your trouble people will always think that I am wrong in my way of thinking but thats ok I'm very happy being me.

The remark about theres more to raising a child is correct but that does not give the parents the excuse to let their beasts run wild. Sometimes a good swift shot on the butt does the trick but in nowadays you have to worry about being reported for child abuse. Never mind that the kid was misbehaving. Far be it from me being religious but I remember the bible saying something to the line of spare the rod spoil the child or something like that.

Gooey2k

08-20-2003, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by Psychosis
The remark about theres more to raising a child is correct but that does not give the parents the excuse to let their beasts run wild. Sometimes a good swift shot on the butt does the trick but in nowadays you have to worry about being reported for child abuse. Never mind that the kid was misbehaving. Far be it from me being religious but I remember the bible saying something to the line of spare the rod spoil the child or something like that.

Amen brother!

Most of the kids today are spoiled little punks that don't know the feeling of a broom handle across the ass once in a while.

Confused

08-20-2003, 12:30 PM

Did you edit that because your originally wrote 'broom handle IN their ass'?

Casper

08-20-2003, 12:33 PM

Just so we're back on topic perhaps there can be some ass crackin as part of the kiss and make up session between billys and alize.

08-20-2003, 03:01 PM

Originally posted by clubber
Well, if that isn't an example of the pot calling the kettle black.
Talk about "zero first hand knowledge?" All of Ozzy's info about this was obtained from the provider. That's called SECOND hand knowledge, and very biased info at that. While I certainly HAVE hade personal communication with providers, including the one VV is referring to, I challenge either OZZY OR the provider to dispute any of the factual comments I've made about her performance in session.

And what does "he commenced to bash her...for a variety of reasons that he had zero first hand knowledge of" MEAN exactly anyway? That I didn't know why I was bashing her? That makes no sense, so I have no idea what it's talking about.

In fact, it would be interesting if Ozzy could back up his assertion and find any instances where I spoke highly about this particular provider's service AFTER SEEING HER. And since I saw her last November, his claim that "then he commenced to bash her here for months (actually for more than a year)" is clearly not true.

So c'mon, let's see some instances of me "bashing" anyone over the period of "more than a year." The only one I've "bashed" for over a year is OZZY.

So, VV or Ozzy, or whoever you're calling yourself this week, why not try tossing in some FACTS?

So what do you want me to do... Go back and repost every little dig you took at April in the past year or so? Here's one of the recent ones in the link I'm posting below.

And it is over a year because the incident I speak of happened at a time when I spoke to her frequently [as in almost every day] and when she was still running her agency. I also never said you praised her services, so don't put words in my mouth that would make my posts appear inaccurate. I said you spoke highly of her... Or if I can rephrase that by saying that you made some rather positive comments about her and or her agency or girls
until the "incident". Since then all you've done was take cheap shots at her. Just like you did a couple of weeks ago when she said that she'd finally had enough and called you to task over them.

http://utopiaguide.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=265225&highlight=clubber#post265225

I know I said that by killing off "Ozzy" I wouldn't engage in anymore flame wars, but I refuse to let some little shit get away with antagonizing me over some personal vendettas or hidden agendas they may have. I don't allow people to do that to my friends and I won't allow it to be done to me.

clubber

08-20-2003, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by VV
So what do you want me to do... Go back and repost every little dig you took at April in the past year or so? Here's one of the recent ones in the link I'm posting below.
And it is over a year because the incident I speak of happened at a time when I spoke to her frequently [as in almost every day] and when she was still running her agency.

Well, thanks for directing us to a post that APRIL made about a perceived dig. However, if you follow the link up to MY post, IT WAS A JOKE, STUPID! It even had a little smiley after it. And it was NOT over a year ago, because, if you bother to check, my one appointment with April was in November, just before her surgery. In fact, I was the next to last appointment on her last working day before her surgery. You would know that if you bothered to check the facts instead of just attacking.
And by the way, just how many digs do you think I've taken at her over the past year? I went back through my posts, and it's a pretty small number indeed....I'd say in fewer than five threads. Want to prove me wrong? Of course, if you count things like the above as digs, maybe there WERE four or five of them....

I also never said you praised her services, so don't put words in my mouth that would make my posts appear inaccurate. I said you spoke highly of her...

Your statement was, "He saw a provider once and spoke highly of her.... " You don't think that sounds like I praised her services? Right.

Or if I can rephrase that by saying that you made some rather positive comments about her and or her agency or girls
until the "incident". Since then all you've done was take cheap shots at her. Just like you did a couple of weeks ago when she said that she'd finally had enough and called you to task over them.

Yep. The "incident", tho, was her not performing as advertised. Rushing. Smoking. All stuff she said she never does.
By the way, did she ever show you her response to my first request to get together with her (NOT, incidentally as a client, since it was made after one of her "retirement" posts)? I thought not.....

I know I said that by killing off "Ozzy" I wouldn't engage in anymore flame wars, but I refuse to let some little shit get away with antagonizing me over some personal vendettas or hidden agendas they may have. I don't allow people to do that to my friends and I won't allow it to be done to me.

You already did. And why in the world would anyone have believed you anyway? You managed to get Kimmie banned by making what was obviously a joke on her part appear to be an ad posting. VV is just as much of a jerk as Ozzy. It's almost like they're the same person.... Gee.....

Oh, and have a nice day.

billyS

08-20-2003, 03:37 PM

I'm sure Alize is happy you guys hijacked this thread for your own personel war. Now all we need is for Wwander to post some long boring thoughts and the thread is as good as dead.

TC123

08-20-2003, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by clubber
So, VV or Ozzy, or whoever you're calling yourself this week

I didn't realize they were the same guy. While I was arguing with VV about Barry Bonds on another thread, I had no idea I ws arguing with a UG legend!

Wwanderer

08-20-2003, 05:01 PM

Originally posted by billyS
Now all we need is for Wwander to post some long boring thoughts and the thread is as good as dead.

Some threads need to be be put out of their (and our) misery.

-Ww

clubber

08-20-2003, 06:37 PM

Originally posted by billyS
I'm sure Alize is happy you guys hijacked this thread for your own personel war. Now all we need is for Wwander to post some long boring thoughts and the thread is as good as dead.

Actually, now that Kimmie has been banned, someone else has to take over the hijacks for her!

08-20-2003, 09:16 PM

Anyone who thinks *I* influenced Kimmies banning obviously has zero respect for the people who run this board. And after 2 1/2 years on UG and all the wars I've been thru with the many assholes who have gone on to do various things that should have gotten them banned (like Stechinos posting of real names and anti semitic comments), you're going to tell me (and everyone here) that my telling Kimmie that she made a "boarder line ad post" got her (of all people) banned is probably the most ridiculous thing you've ever said. You have truly out done yourself this time.

btw... April didn't think it was a joke and since it concerned her, hers is the only opinion that counts.

And you don't want me (nor will I be) disclosing personal info or communication on this board. You also don't want April replying to any claims that you have made in this thread either. She put up with your nonsense for a long time and obviously even an idiot could tell from the post she made that she'd had enough....

But apparently even idiots can see things that delusional people can't.

08-20-2003, 09:20 PM

TC...

I wasn't arguing with you. I was only stating why *I* and many of his past and current team mates think he's a total asshole as well as dog shit on the field and in the clubhouse.

jasonbuju

08-21-2003, 04:03 AM

VV,

you are sounding more like Ozzy than. You might want to pull out the Ozzy log on name for moments like these. That way you don't dillute the VV brand name.

clubber

08-21-2003, 04:04 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by VV
Anyone who thinks *I* influenced Kimmies banning obviously has zero respect for the people who run this board.

I know you don't like to deal in facts, since you didn't bother supplying any of your own but....
FACT: Kimmie was not banned until YOU pointed out that her obvious joke might be an ad.

btw... April didn't think it was a joke and since it concerned her, hers is the only opinion that counts.

Then why are YOU talking about it here instead of April?

And you don't want me (nor will I be) disclosing personal info or communication on this board. You also don't want April replying to any claims that you have made in this thread either. She put up with your nonsense for a long time and obviously even an idiot could tell from the post she made that she'd had enough....

Gee, and what do you call bringing up personal communication that I had with April? You are such a self-righteous asshold, it's hard to believe. And I notice that you didn't respond to this "long time" and "over a year" comment that I challenged when you tossed it off. If I've been throwing digs at her for over a year, find me ONE post over a year old that is a dig at her, and I'll apologize. But know what? You won't do it. Know why? BECAUSE IT'S NOT TRUE! You just parrot stuff that people tell you.

Also, please tell me where I asked you to disclose any personal info or where I even ADDRESSED any comments to April in this thread. You can't do that either. Why? BECAUSE I DIDN'T! And your veiled threat about April disclosing personal info? C'mon! And don't say it wasn't a threat because if it wasn't, why mention it?

You can use whatever name you like, but you'll always be Ozzy.