Hottest Escort?

[VIAGRAADDICT]

This high end section is completely dead!

Guys, I think I just found the hottest girl I've ever seen in the business. Completely out of my price range, not to mention halfway across the country, but check out these pics and join me in drooling.

http://www.missdeja.net

[fumpton]

it's the economy. no one can afford them anymore.

[Duckman]

Originally posted by VIAGRAADDICT
This high end section is completely dead!

Guys, I think I just found the hottest girl I've ever seen in the business. Completely out of my price range, not to mention halfway across the country, but check out these pics and join me in drooling.

http://www.missdeja.net
Ya think that's expensive? Check this out --> http://www.nikis.com/home.php?htm=rates.php . Nice looking girl, but what rates! There's an old saw -- there's no such thing as a $1000 hooker, just a $1000 john. Given supply and demand, that's not the most fair thing to say, but it's something to think about.

[littleguy]

[sigh]

Try http://www.educatedescort.com/

And even she's not the most expensive lady out there.

[VIAGRAADDICT]

If I was going to pay $1,000 an hour the girl better be a total GFE/PSE, all services provided including Greek, not to mention allowing videotaping of the session. But, I guess there are plenty of multi-millionaires that can afford these providers.

[Rocko]

Anna Malle-11$ and worth the bank...if you want to play on that side of the street-

[VIAGRAADDICT]

$1,000 could pay for 3 nights in Montreal, including a nice hotel and 2 girls each night to your room for an hour each.

[Troutman]

It could also buy you 10,000 minutes of domestic long distance calling. That's not the point. If you're interested in cheap, you're in the wrong thread.

[VIAGRAADDICT]

The most I ever paid was $500 an hour for a traveling escort. Wasn't anything special to write home about. The best experiences have typically been with the $300 an hour girls. However, one day I'd love to check out some of these $1,000 an hour+ porn stars or high priced escorts just to see what exactly they can do to justify the $.

[nychelsea]

The expensive ladies usually meet the looks test of the monger's fantasies. Maybe a great face, blond hair, great boobs, slim.

And then there is the act itself. A great prelude of seduction followed by the fun part with all the acronyms and abbreviations. She would have to make you feel like a million bucks. Like a young guy again!

Then maybe it's all a fantasy at the high prices!

[justlooking]

http://www.utopiaguide.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=84082&highlight=attractive+think#post84082

[justlooking]

http://www.utopiaguide.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=188650&highlight=interesting+complete+agreement#post188650

[justlooking]

http://www.utopiaguide.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=188313&highlight=porn+star#post188313

[sod]

When I had dough to burn I saw a few higher end indies, and the one common denominator was that things seemed to be less scripted. For some (like me), this was a plus. I didn't know what I'd get, but then, maybe neither did the girl until the "date" had progressed to a certain point.

This realization has only come after time has provided a little perspective. When I had less spending money and I started seeing lower end girls, I think I subconsciously adjusted my expectations and refused to see a difference. In retrospect, the lower end girls approached the dates in a more assembly line fashion. There was always the exception here and there, but usually those were girls who's looks or age (sorry for the crudeness) resulted in a necessity to compensate with superior performance.

Rarely have I ever felt cheated with a high end (by UG definition) girl, but there were many times I felt like I wasted $200-$300 after a session. I never paid over a thousand for an hour, so I can't speak to that issue. I never had to, though. I'm not interested in porn stars all that much. If I had the cash, I might spend it on Nikita Denise. Always had a thing for her.

[justlooking]

DITTO.

(Although to be fair I have felt ripped after an occasional $600+ session.)

[alterego]

Originally posted by sod
When I had dough to burn I saw a few higher end indies, and the one common denominator was that things seemed to be less scripted.


The one time I saw a 'high end' indie it felt more scripted to me, not less. It wasn't a bad session or anything but to I've had much better sessions with more reasonably priced girls.

I think the main reason that that particular provider could consistantly charge 2-3 times what other girls did was that she looked like Pam Anderson. Which is fine and everything, but not worth all the extra dough in my opinion.

æ

[sod]

Originally posted by alterego
The one time I saw a 'high end' indie it felt more scripted to me, not less.

I shouldn't have generalized. I saw Sasha of NYC once, who ain't cheap, and her session didn't feel all that spontaneous. It was still great and she's an expert at what she provides, but it definitely wasn't spontaneous. And to be honest, I don't remember a single thing I discussed with her. She just controlled everything and let me enjoy being pampered by a beautiful woman.

Most of the time, though, my experiences at the higher end were extended dates involving dinner or some other activity. Also, it usually happened when I was on the road. Best experience I ever had was with an agency girl (approx. $300 an hour) in Reno, NV. I think, after extending the date into an overnighter, I dropped between $2500 and $3000. She was the best because she was beautiful, uninhibited in the sack and was able to make Reno interesting for me, the latter being impressive in and of itself. I realize $300/hour isn't high end for UG purposes, but she would have commanded much more in NYC and $300 in Reno five years ago was high end for that area. Plus, I'm thinking $3K qualifies. That date was the kind of pre-internet-whoring pleasant surprise that wouldn't be possible for me today. A yellow-pages/crossed-fingers affair.

[justlooking]

I don't really think of Sasha as "high-end". I think of her more as a glorified webscort. My experience of the "high-end" really is almost exactly as sod describes.

Of course, part of it is that different guys look for different things. Porn stars must provide a very different experience than what sod and I are talking about. And frankly, if you're looking for Pam Anderson lookalikes, I'll bet that market tends to be different in feel as well. (So, of course, I'm being guilty of trying to limit the field to my preferences. So shoot me. But OTOH, if all you're looking for from the "high end" is a ramped-up version of what you get from the "low(er) end", then of course you're not gonna think the "high end" is worth it.)

[Wwanderer]

Fwiiw, my limited experience with the $1000+/hr set agrees with that of sod and jl. It is like the difference between hiring an architect to custom design a home, for you, with some attempt to meet your own particular needs and tastes in housing, versus selecting the model that best matches what you want from some development in which each house is one of the dozen or so basic designs (with perhaps small selectable features that can be varied).

It is sometimes possible to find providers who "custom design" experiences for clients at lower prices levels, but the lower you go, the rarer it becomes, imo and experience.

-Ww

[Wwanderer]

is what I meant to call the previous post.

-Ww

[Wwanderer]

Originally posted by fumpton
it's the economy. no one can afford them anymore.

No, not really. Some of the clients of these ladies care less about whether a provider charges $300 or $600 or $1000 or $2000 per hour than you care about whether a restaurant charges $1.39 or $1.49 for a coke, and the economy affects their choices in providers about as much as it affects your choice of beverage in such restaurants.

-Ww

[Wwanderer]

While I think the whole point of this forum is to avoid the never ending debate about whether or not "sex with any woman is worth X", there has already been enough of it in this thread that I feel justified in adding the point I usually make in such discussions: The very top end of the provider market is exactly like the top end of almost all luxury markets in that you have to pay more and more for smaller and smaller increases in real or perceived quality and exclusiveness. It is the same with fancy restaurants, luxury cars, posh private clubs, ******, exclusive residential neighborhoods...you name it. In such markets you do not get twice as much when you pay twice as much; you might only get 30% more or 10% or even 1%, the further upscale you go. Such markets do not exist because some people are idiots and will pay more for something than it is worth (the usual "sour grapes" view); they exist because some people have so much money that they can painlessly afford the extra cost even for a small improvement and because they really have no way of avoiding such "crazy" (from most people's points of view) extravagances if they are going to spend their money on themselves in any way at all.

-Ww

[nychelsea]

Experience with "high enders" leads me to agree with Wwanderer. The degree of quality does not increase in relation to the price paid - the increases are smaller as you go up the line in price. I think there is a term for this in statistics but I can't remember what it is.

No more high end ladies for me - in fact, it has been a while. I prefer comfort, safety, skilled massage, and someone who knows me. Anything else is an "extra".

Good post, Wwanderer.

[Wwanderer]

Originally posted by nychelsea
The degree of quality does not increase in relation to the price paid - the increases are smaller as you go up the line in price. Good post, Wwanderer.

Thanks. Btw and fwiiw, I think the very negative posts that one often sees about the way high enders usually come from guys who "try one to see what it is like" without understanding the aforesaid principle (which affects the top end of nearly all luxury markets). They pay much more than they usually spend and (unrealistically) expect to get much more and thus are disappointed when it is maybe just a bit better than the provider experiences to which they are accustomed.

-Ww

[nychelsea]

Also, I suppose there is a "how good can it get" quality to the high enders. There is a limit to how turned on a guy or a lady can get.

My most memorable experiences have been with role players who can play along with my fantasies - like the detective and the falsely accused criminal. I do not have to use a high end agencies but the process takes several hours, and requires some serious up front negotiation. I don't mean S&M types either - it is important to get some real "service" along the way!

My high end days are over! But they sure were interesting-

Chels

[doctorno]

Originally posted by nychelsea
Experience with "high enders" leads me to agree with Wwanderer. The degree of quality does not increase in relation to the price paid - the increases are smaller as you go up the line in price. I think there is a term for this in statistics but I can't remember what it is.


Sounds like decreasing marginal returns. You start getting less of a return (an incrementally smaller improvement in quality) for each additional dollar spent. Economics, not statistics.

So it sounds like people would argue that spending $300 rather than
$100 for FS is definitely worth it (and possibly safer!), whereas spending $500 rather than $300 for the hour doesn't necessarily give a corresponding increase in perceived quality.

DrN

[nychelsea]

Good point on economics/marginal returns. You are quite correct. You may want to check in your statistics book because there are correlations (or lack of) that speak to this issue as well.

Interesting stuff.

[pjorourke]

Originally posted by nychelsea
I think there is a term for this in statistics but I can't remember what it is.

This may be a reference to a Veblen Good -- i.e., a consumer product/service where the demand increases along with price. A form of conspicuous consumption.

[Wwanderer]

Originally posted by doctorno
So it sounds like people would argue that spending $300 rather than
$100 for FS is definitely worth it (and possibly safer!), whereas spending $500 rather than $300 for the hour doesn't necessarily give a corresponding increase in perceived quality.

That is definitely not what I would argue. My point is that you should expect to get less than a corresponding increase in perceived quality at the top end of the commercial sex market, as in any luxury good or service. But if you want and can afford the very best, you should just accept diminishing marginal returns as a reality of the (luxury) market place.

-Ww

[nychelsea]

Wwanderer,

From my experience with the high end, I totally agree. Not that you shouldn't have high expectations, but it simply is not that much better than a midlevel 250-300 lady who you know well. I also like UTRs and part-timers. The Harmony was great for finding amateurs.

Chels

[Zep51]

Only took the plunge for the bucks once-but it was quite an experience. Looks are wonderful (especially for her age-web pic's are really what you get) and she does have a way of pampering you that drives you crazy.
Looks=8 plus,Experience=9 plus,Cost Factor-quite high

[nychelsea]

Wwanderer

From the populist standpoint, the high end game is an example of the law of diminishing returns.

Chel

[Wwanderer]

Originally posted by nychelsea
From the populist standpoint, the high end game is an example of the law of diminishing returns.

I do not understand exactly what you mean by this comment, especially by the phrase "from the populist standpoint", but I will probably agree with you when/if I do; I definitely agree that you should expect diminishing marginal returns at the high end of luxury markets.

-Ww

[Trent2461]

Hi Guys,

I've taken the plunge a few times on the over $1000 P/H ladies and I must say other than experience of being like a real date, with intelligent conversation, and a super model type lady, the experience as it relates to F/S is still the same p***Y is P***Y. It's still all about the chemistry.

Most of my best experiences have been multi-hour with fine lower end ladies. If you treat all women ladies they will take you to paradise. Especially if you see them more than once.

The biggest complaint I hear from the ladies is take most men do not treat them like ladeies. Then the men expect to get great treatment. Men forget that SP's are humans with feelings too.

I found this website for high rollers. http://www.cat69.com/
When I have $5000 or so to blow, I'd like to go on this all inclusive tropical escort vacation.

Later,

Trent

[John Blackthorne]

between price and quality.

I have taken the time (quite often) to establish a bit of rapport with a lady before I see her. (Does this automatically classify me as a dreamboy?) When I have done this I have rarely had a bad experience. I can only remember one (mediocre, not terrible), and that provider had completely misrepresented herself on a physical level.

Usually rapport has led to great sessions. So I will just keep working with the same model I have always used.

And to cross over to another thread: I bring gifts, I do not tip indies. If the ladies don't like the gift, I am sorry. I try.

JB

[Wwanderer]

Originally posted by Trent2461

1 - The biggest complaint I hear from the ladies is take most men do not treat them like ladeies. Then the men expect to get great treatment. Men forget that SP's are humans with feelings too.

2 - I found this website for high rollers. http://www.cat69.com/
When I have $5000 or so to blow, I'd like to go on this all inclusive tropical escort vacation.

1 - Big DITTO, not is this lesson restricted to commercial sex. If you treat anyone that works for or with you respectfully and like a "real person", not just an anonymous drone inserted into some role, things go much much smoother.

2 - Please post a review when you do; I have looked at that site too and wondered what it would be like.

-Ww

[Wwanderer]

Originally posted by John Blackthorne
I have taken the time (quite often) to establish a bit of rapport with a lady before I see her. (Does this automatically classify me as a dreamboy?)

It depends on whose definition you are using; some would call it dreamboy I guess. I might call it "the middle way", a term I coined (which hasn't much caught on) to distinguish what both you and I do from the sort of dreamboy approach people attribute to Paulus.

But, fwiiw, I do find a correlation (though not an absolute or even very tight) one between price and quality.

-Ww

[galahad]

I have taken the time (quite often) to establish a bit of rapport with a lady before I see her. (Does this automatically classify me as a dreamboy?) When I have done this I have rarely had a bad experience.

Usually rapport has led to great sessions. So I will just keep working with the same model I have always used.

And to cross over to another thread: I bring gifts, I do not tip indies. If the ladies don't like the gift, I am sorry. I try.

JB [/B][/QUOTE] \

I wouldn't worry to much about how you are classified JB, if it works for you keep doing what you have always done. I admit to being a dreamboy as defined on this board, but then I enjoy myself which is the main reason I see women.

A lot of what you have written I can only second. I have not given a tip to an indie in years- the last time I did she handed it back to me with a smile. Since then, especially when I go to their place I bring a gift. Most of time I am surprised how they seem to remember not only what I gave but when.

First time I drifted over to UG in weeks. Glad to see someone actually holds to some of the same ideas I do. ( Also like your top list although I doubt many are going to know your number two listed lady) Charlie must be one hell of a woman to be listed above her.

[justlooking]

Originally posted by Wwanderer
But, fwiiw, I do find a correlation (though not an absolute or even very tight) one between price and quality.

FWIW, DITTO.

[John Blackthorne]

I should never have stated that as an absolute. Obviously its hard to find a gem below a certain price point. (The late beloved Tammy was one at $150, but then she was in her mid 40's at the peak of her career). And certain ladies grow so popular that they raise their prices continuously. Now do they all merit the popularity? I would say no, but guys pay it.

The most expensive lady I ever saw was $500 per hour. However we went to dinner off the clock, which brings the rate down. She was stunningly beautiful (a well known Playboy model) and being out with her and watching heads turn was a trip. BCD she was mediocre however, contrasting incredible visuals with easily surpassed skills.

A few days earlier I had seen the aforementioned Mme Panthere..who is an incredible woman of undeniable sexuality and talent (and has done her share of modeling, videos, etc) the rate was $550 for 2 hours of intensely physical action ("I will do anything" she said, and meant it).

I will continue to stay in the $300 range. I find that too many ladies simply reinvent themselves as something they are not and charge more, using Barnum's Theorum and making it work. They have earned "Masters degrees" but canot spell discreet. They have attitude but not style.

No thanks. Give me a good looking friendly lady with talent and enthusiasm and I am in heaven. They are out there and you don't have to rob a bank to see them.

JB

[justlooking]

One difference here is that you seem to exclusively see independents.

[John Blackthorne]

Originally posted by justlooking
One difference here is that you seem to exclusively see independents.

Very hard to establish rapport unless you cannot contact a lady directly. I used to see some agency gals, and if I lived closer to the city I might yet, but I have a better time with indies.

JB

[justlooking]

I don't use agencies much anymore, but one thing I liked about them was that they were able to get me the kind of women I liked (I mean on a personal level) without my having to go through the bullshit (which I know is absolutely NOT the way you look at it) of having to "establish a rapport" beforehand.

(And so you see that I'm NOT antagonistic to the basic premise of your approach -- although unlike you and a lot of other guys I'm not a big fan of using ***** or the phone to "establish a rapport" with someone I don't know -- one reason I don't use agencies much anymore is that I've pretty much stopped buying sex from people I don't know beforehand, one way or another.)

[Wwanderer]

I pretty much agree with all of JB's points and comments in the post of the reference title. In particular that really top notch providers become extremely rare below a certain price and that very high priced ones are often outstanding in only one way (if any) and can be pretty ordinary in others. (In the latter case, that is not how JB put it, but that is how I interpret his Playboy model that was mediocre BCD; there are also ladies of ordinary looks that command top prices due to widely acknowledged superb sexual skills.)

The only other point I'd make is that the right strategy for finding great hobby experiences can depend on your "limiting resource". For example, JB puts lots of his own time into knowing the market, "doing his homework", establishing "rapport" with a lady in advance and so forth (by his own accounts) and thus gets superb value for his hobby funds. On the other hand, if you do not have the time to do that in general or in a particular situation (e.g., in a city you are visiting briefly) and if you can afford it, going upscale in the market may be a better approach for you. And it depends on what aspects of a provider encounter matter the most to you, and so forth...different strokes for different folks.

-Ww

[galahad]

Originally posted by justlooking
One difference here is that you seem to exclusively see independents.

JL

There are a lot of places in the country that there are no high end agencies in existence.

Agencies local to my area have rates more in line with Julies than like NYC Covergirls or Tower/Fairchild.

The one agency I use local to my area has had some very nice looking women who are very talented and I have a good relationship with the lady who runs it. I trust her judgement on who I should see since she knows my taste. In this instance the rapport is established with her. No where as good as with the girl directly, which is why I also prefer independents but better then looking at a picture, reading a review on a board by someone I do not know and taking a shot in the dark.

[justlooking]

Understand. Thanks.

I guess the point I was trying to make is that I, at least, don't really know of any really "high end" independents. (Like everyone else, I reject Ann Marie the Educated Escort as a bunch of bullshit.) I'm not saying they don't exist. I'm just saying I don't know about them. In fact, I'm confident that if they do exist (as I assume they do), they don't advertise so I wouldn't know about them.

[John Blackthorne]

That has a thriving "High end' forum. Anne Marie moderates it. the ladies range from babes to bbw...its kind of interesting. Only one lady on it intrigues me at all, and its not Anne marie, but a lady named Amanda from Houston (not Witherspoon). Beautiful but rates are too high and screening is incredible. I don't submit to screening.

And I don't see high end ladies, as I have said.

JB

[Wwanderer]

Originally posted by John Blackthorne
That has a thriving "High end' forum. Anne Marie moderates it.

Can you give us the URL? I can never keep track of the rules here (except #17).

I'd enjoy having a look at it.

-Ww

[justlooking]

It's on ASPDnet.

[pjorourke]

Originally posted by justlooking
I don't use agencies much anymore, but one thing I liked about them was that they were able to get me the kind of women I liked (I mean on a personal level) without my having to go through the bullshit (which I know is absolutely NOT the way you look at it) of having to "establish a rapport" beforehand.


No disrespect, but this seems like a strange comment coming from someone who spends so much time wooing strippers.

[justlooking]

I enjoy getting to know women who aren't a sure thing IRL.

I think it's pointless to spend a lot of time "establishing a rapport" with someone who is a sure thing through electronic communications.

This is hardly a neutral sample, but most of the prostitutes I know well enough to discuss this with consider non-scheduling-related ***** communications with johns to be a sometimes necessary evil that they resent having to spend time on.

I hope it goes without saying that all of the above is personal to me and is not in any way meant to criticize the practices of others or to imply that I think mine are better (except for me).

[justlooking]

Remember, the time I spend "wooing" strippers is time I'd spend anyway, for its own sake. I spent a lot of time hanging out in strip clubs chatting up strippers before I realized it could lead to anything.

[pjorourke]

IC

[galahad]

Tall 5’ 9" Blonde Aerobics Instructor?

If so, she comes to NYC about every other month (possibly every third) and I think works for Portfolio Elite when she does.

[justlooking]

In a way, that's my point. In NYC, at least, the "high end" activity -- at least the visible "high end" activity -- all seems to be at agencies.

This is completely consistent with your prior point that in other parts of the country there are no high end agencies.

(Thanks again for all the info.)

[galahad]

JL,

I agree. I think if you look at my older post on UG I have been saying there is little about NYC concerning this topic that is similar to other parts of the country. It never ceases to amaze me. What is really funny is that a few of the girls I have known for a long time in NY have started to travel a bit to other cities and they now realize it as well.

I went over and looked at the PE website and Amanda is not on it, at the moment. But she comes and goes like many of the women on the site.

Speaking of which heading up to your fair city tonight.

Have a great one guys.

[John Blackthorne]

Originally posted by galahad
Tall 5’ 9" Blonde Aerobics Instructor?

If so, she comes to NYC about every other month (possibly every third) and I think works for Portfolio Elite when she does.

Redhead, calls herself the "Red Orchid"

Minimum session is a 5 hr dinner date for $2k. Not bad by the hour but I will pass.

JB

[Trent2461]

IMHO Canada is place to go to obtain the high end ladies who perform. Most escort are young beautiful and perform excellently.

You can see them for multiple hours for generally around $300 US.

I met this drop dead gorgoeus woman that I booked for 4-hours and I paid 465 CDN which was less than $300 USD and I had the time of my life. We had dinner, went dancing, and then went at it like two rabbits. She stay longer than she was suppose to and didn't even mention and extra money.

I've had high end women in Toranto for $300 for 2-3hours that would go for $1000+ per hour easy in the US and it was always GFE. I was almost addicted to a lady named Anastasia who was half Polish and half Asian and is probably my ATF in looks and performance.

High end ladies in the NYC area are out of there minds with these prices, but there must be a market for it because there are so many high end agency's. I keep telling myself that I should open one and get rich.

Anyway that's my 2 cents worth.

Trent

[hardalee]

This has been largely interesting fodder but I suspect we all kind of know this already. The benefit to this forum is to help avoid spening $1K on a horrible experience. For example, I spent like $1.5 on Barbar at FDE and she was great, but $600 on Carla at Tower which was Bait and Switch. Mona L has been the most reliable high end agency but the past few months all they get are a few new Brazilians (who are great BTW). So, name names of >$500 providers who were worth it. Any expeience with NYElites, etc.

[ArtBell]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Just Looking
[B]<B> Like everyone else, I reject Ann Marie the Educated Escort as a bunch of bullshit </B>

I know a few people on Aspd who have seen her ... I am a member over there (where I saw the link to this thread)

I don't think that "Everyone Else" rejects the Educated Escort either. She has quite a following and has been around what? 5 years now? Just because someone doesn't want to pay the rates doesn't mean they have to knock her (no pun intended)

AB

[VIAGRAADDICT]

Back to my original post, Deja Chan has just recently taken her site down (www.missdeja.net) . There she advertised $500 an hour if my memory is correct. She's touring in NY with Exotica 2000 now, and an inquiry with them revealed her rate to be $1650 an hour! No wonder she took her site down before she decided to come to NY! Its amazing that someone would pay over triple a providers regular rate just because she was touring in NY.

[DaShark]

Originally posted by VIAGRAADDICT
The most I ever paid was $500 an hour for a traveling escort. Wasn't anything special to write home about. The best experiences have typically been with the $300 an hour girls.


cant agree more V. I did splurge $700 2 times, both multiple hours, the most recent ended up being 4 hours, you could say we lost track of time. Also recently met a sweetie with a $165 fee, full gfe. Told her to raise her rates immediately, she was that good.

[nychelsea]

real sweetie 165 GFE - hard to believe. Those late 80s early 90s prices.

[curious]

Originally posted by DaShark
cant agree more V. I did splurge $700 2 times, both multiple hours, the most recent ended up being 4 hours, you could say we lost track of time. Also recently met a sweetie with a $165 fee, full gfe. Told her to raise her rates immediately, she was that good.

Contact info (even at the new "post-DS" rate, please...

[buddyyy]

Originally posted by nychelsea
Experience with "high enders" leads me to agree with Wwanderer. The degree of quality does not increase in relation to the price paid - the increases are smaller as you go up the line in price. I think there is a term for this in statistics but I can't remember what it is.



In economics it would be called decreasing marginal utility.

[bushleaguer]

I agree - a higher price almost never guarantees better service in hobbying. If a provider is extremely attractive then I would be willing to pay more money, but 1K (or in hobbying terms - $$$$$$$$$$) is way to much to pay per hour for anybody.

As far as the Porn Stars go, I don't think the acutal service would be above and beyond anything you could get for a fraction of what they ask. It would be cool to go at it with a lady you've fantisized about on screen, but not for the exorbitant amount of money it would cost.

I used to go to a place in Plainfield called the Horizon Center (its closed since). There was this Russian provider there that, for $ plus the .4 door fee had an anything goes attitude. Never had a bad time with her. I can't imagine one of these 1K/hour ladies providing better service.

[buddyyy]

Originally posted by bushleaguer
I can't imagine one of these 1K/hour ladies providing better service.

Which speaks to what?

[Casper]

Can't be speaking to a lack of imagination. Some of his posts prove otherwise.

[bushleaguer]

Originally posted by buddyyy
Which speaks to what?

...to what I had said beforehand.

[bushleaguer]

Originally posted by Casper
Can't be speaking to a lack of imagination. Some of his posts prove otherwise.

Well, to any more of the "he is fake" posts, I simply say go dredge up the few reviews I have posted and then go check the places out for yourself.

[Casper]

Originally posted by bushleaguer
Well, to any more of the "he is fake" posts, I simply say go dredge up the few reviews I have posted and then go check the places out for yourself.

I am not checking any or your orafices.

[bushleaguer]

Originally posted by Casper
I am not checking any or your orafices.

Then you don't have any grounds to accuse me of lying. You may have been around here for a long time and have exponentially more posts than I do, but that doesn't give you the right to throw accusations like that around.

[buddyyy]

My comment was not intended to suggest that bushleaguer's prior posts are or are not true. Nor was it intended to suggest that he does not have a good imagination.

But I do think that one's inability to imagine something certainly does not preclude it from in fact being a possibilty; except perhaps for you.

I would also suggest, based on my own experience, that there are a number of different ways in which a woman can delight you and bring you pleasure. While it may be true that many of the women who charge $1,000 for their time do not offer more than those who charge $200, it seems quite imaginable to me that those who do offer more may in fact charge more.

[Casper]

Originally posted by bushleaguer
Then you don't have any grounds to accuse me of lying. You may have been around here for a long time and have exponentially more posts than I do, but that doesn't give you the right to throw accusations like that around.

Dude I'm not accusing you of lying in ANY reviews. I don't even read most of the stuff you post anyway. All Im saying is that you must have an imagination based on other stuff you post about. Next time I'll put a nice smiley face [ :) ]so you know my intention

And I wholeheartedly agree that number of posts alone on a board does not necessarily mean much. (see word association thread)

[Phantom]

Originally posted by Casper
And I wholeheartedly agree that number of posts alone on a board does not necessarily mean much. (see word association thread)

I can ditto that.

[Casper]

Originally posted by Phantom
I can ditto that.

duly noted

[ArtBell]

To get back to the subject at hand; a little old Honda with lots of miles on it gets me from point A to point B and only costs maybe 1,000 for a really used one.

Yet some really wealthy guys still want a Bentley because A) It has fewer miles on it (less wear and tear) and B)THey like to drive a car not every other Tom Dick and Harry has driven.

Same with women... It might seem crude, but I think I actually read thia analogy ages ago right on this board.

Anyway, Hondas are great, but when you want a car not everyone else has that not many recognize then sometimes you want to arrive to the event in a Bentley.

Same goes for regular priced high volume ladies vs the High End ones.

[bushleaguer]

Originally posted by Casper
Dude I'm not accusing you of lying in ANY reviews. I don't even read most of the stuff you post anyway. All Im saying is that you must have an imagination based on other stuff you post about. Next time I'll put a nice smiley face [ :) ]so you know my intention

And I wholeheartedly agree that number of posts alone on a board does not necessarily mean much. (see word association thread)

Oh, Im sorry Casper. I've been attacked here a lot and I guess I get defensive pretty fast.

Have a good day.

[Casper]

Fair enough. But in the spirit of full disclosure, I have ribbed you from time to time (different from attacking) :D

[nychelsea]

"those who charge more do offer more"

An interesting point to consider. I would like to hear from Wwanderer (Thorn?) and other experienced mongers on this. One difference may be that the more expensive ladies may be more likely to perform BBBJ, etc. But others' experience may not back this up. In some cases the really attractive ladies (and those who have good personalities and who are part timers as well) may be VERY interesting. I think is is ok to spend lots of money pursuing the hobby) if you have it, not so good if you don't.

Chels

[justlooking]

In general, I've found that with so-called "high end" (as defined on this board) agencies, there is almost never any question whatsoever about any limitations short of BBFS. You don't have to talk about it because it just isn't an issue.

[pjorourke]

This has been my experience with "high-end" independents too.

[Duckman]

Originally posted by nychelsea
...more expensive ladies may be more likely to perform BBBJ, etc.
I'll say this --- hard to find a Julie's girl that does not offer BBBJ.

[justlooking]

AND you don't have to go through any mental gymnastics to convince yourself that the so-called "high end" (as defined for purposes of this board) agency girls are attractive.

[ArtBell]

Actually, from my experience, the high end girls have always been safer.

It's the 150 a pop girls doing the unsafe stuff... only in MY experience!

I mean do you think a girl charging 10,000 a night who is sophisticated, beautiful, educated and clean is safer... who only sees a few clients?

Or the streetwalker doing every tom dick and harry in the alley ways?

[AllStarSS]

Originally posted by ArtBell
Originally posted by Just Looking
...Like everyone else, I reject Ann Marie the Educated Escort as a bunch of bullshit...

I know a few people on Aspd who have seen her ... I am a member over there (where I saw the link to this thread)

I don't think that "Everyone Else" rejects the Educated Escort either. She has quite a following and has been around what? 5 years now? Just because someone doesn't want to pay the rates doesn't mean they have to knock her (no pun intended)

AB i do know that anne marie is real as i have met her myself this past summer...very beautiful woman...very smart and witty...very real...

allstar

[ArtBell]

I appreciate the info. Glad to talk to someone who's actually seen her...... She sounds great.

Thanks

Art

[mhoran]

You gotta be really hard up to pay tose prices. That Nikis.;com chick may be hot, but is certainly not that hot. There are way better chicks at any NYC stip clun ant escort service. Plus, at 12 hundy for an hour, you gotta be fucken kidding me, or else be a one tooth fucken red neck to pay that price to get you cock warm

[ArtBell]

With all due respect Mr Horan....

I don't think ladies who charge that kind of fee (whether it be 1,200 an hour or 12,000 a day) are looking for "tooth fucken rednecks" who want to get their "cock warm" as you put it.

I think those type of men are the type of client they are trying to avoid!

AB

[ArtBell]

Well I guess the whole thing is a moot point now because Anne Marie went and retired on us and put up a site in replace of her old one http://educatedescort.com revealing her real identity and a slew of photos/webcam etc. all for 24 dollars a month.

Only in America. LoL I love it

AB

[justlooking]

I'm in awe.

[justme]

Someone should get her together w/ Kiko Wu.