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[Inga]

Hello! My name is Inga!

Thanks to Guy Catelli, I have found this wonderful message board, and since I am
coming to New York very soon,
I decided to introduce myself to you, Gentlemen!

I am Swedish -Russian 25 years old natural blonde: rare mix of scandinavian beauty
and eastern "submissiveness" and respect for the man. . I have looks of a super
model and a personality of friendly, sweet,
little lovely kitten! I am true courtesan and fluent in an art of making a gentleman from
any background and in any situation to feel as he is a
center of my Universe, my King and my Only Passion!

I love NYC, but visiting your wonderful city for the first time in this courtesanship
business... I hope to meet many new friends and come to see you frequently!

Please, visit my websites for more info:

http://www.inga.cc/whois.html

http://www.europeblue.com/meet.html

Hope to see you soon!

Kisses,

Inga

[guy catelli]

dear Inga,

welcome to UG, where all the men are manly, and all the women are lovely and charming.

i want to let you know about the classiest client in all of nyc. i'm speaking of 'wsb'. the initials stand for his full screen name, 'wallstreetbanker'. his screen name alone reveals that he's not a foolish little boy; instead, he's a distinguished professional gentleman.

i've read his postings with great interest for over a year and a half now. and, i can assure you, he is a totally dignified and unflappable gentleman under any and all circumstances.

rumor has it that he was the model for Richard Gere's character in "Pretty Woman". http://images.amazon.com/images/P/1558908366.01.LZZZZZZZ.gif okay, so i'm the one that's making up the rumor ;-) but the truth is that wsb is younger, taller, better looking, and by this time, possibly richer, than the character played by Gere.

what's the catch? he doesn't identify himself to ladies as 'wsb'. by the same token, he's just as respectful of your privacy as you are of all your clients. so, how will you know if it's wsb who is calling? it's simple -- your woman's intuition will tell you ;-)

sincerely,

guy

[Inga]

What a beautiful tale "Pretty Woman"! But were they "happy ever after"!?

My woman's intuition tells me ... treat always every gentleman I meet exceptionally
well as he is my very Wallstreetbanker, my only Prince on the Golden Horse so some
day, many years from now, after saving up all his donations to the "Saving up Bad
Little Girl Foundation" I don't need to dream about being that very lucky "pretty
woman". I will be one on my own and equal to any nice simple Guy I'll choose to be
with...

Sincerely,


Inga

P.S. Thank you very much for welcoming me into this wonderful message board!
I am looking forward to enjoy it and be helpful to others

[Edited by Inga on 01-28-2001 at 09:38 PM]

[guy catelli]

dear Inga,

your response said much that is at once so wise, so revealing, and so charming.

i especially appreciated the sentiment expressed in your closing, which i have taken the liberty of editing thus: ".....this wonderful message board! I am looking forward to enjoy it and be helpful to others."

speaking just for myself, i feel that any contribution by you to this board would be of inestimable value in my own improvement, not only as a client, but as a well-rounded human being in general.

for example, i would be most interested in your reaction to this very short story by Eleanor Bell, The Unbelevers: A True Story. http://www.nerve.com/PersonalEssays/Bell/unbelievers/

in what ways do you see yourself in this story?

in what ways do you not see yourself?

does it accurately reflect the typical kinds of clients you are familar with (or is it much too kind? ;-)

do you feel the same way she does about these types of clients?

the story raises many interesting issues besides these, but i thought these issues would be particularly relevant to this board.

i have already read this story many times myself, but i will read it again in anticipation of your response. and, as i read, i will imagine that you are reading it at the same time, and that we are sharing insights about it together.

sincerely,

guy

[Inga]

Dear Guy!

Thank you so much for your very nice compliments, thought I don't think I really
deserve them! I have so much to learn for myself from such intelligent, well rounded
person like yourself and others!

Thank you so much for referring me to Eleanor Bell's essay and http://www.nerve.com
site! I have read it with big interest!

Unfortunately, sometimes, both gentlemen and ladies are getting them self into huge
emotional mess mixing reality and the fantasy world in the "courtesanship.".
Do I see myself in this situation or on Eleanor's place?
Absolutely Not and certainly never will!

In acting out my and gentleman's fantasy, I am turning on that switch in my head,
becoming "Inga", living my own personality back in the real world. Just like the
good actor becomes and really believes himself for the duration of the play that
he/she the person he/she is trying to portray, I become "Inga". Since "Inga" is the
fantasy, she can be Anybody! It is easy for her to convince herself that she is in love
with Him and only Him, that she only exist for for Him, He is the only One and He is
best .... Anything can be said or done in the fantasy world, because it is just that: an
exciting game, pleasant play. It is as innocent to me as those wild pictures in my
imagination I always have when I am masturbating along on my bad... But, when I
finish, my imaginations are gone and the switch is off. And, ... when I leave
my date, my switch is off too - "Inga" is gone... I am off to my real life: my real
personality, my real friends, real relatives and real lover(s).

Do I think, that I am "replaceable", "interchangeable", "dispensable"? Not for the
people who really love and care about me in my real life.. But "Inga" fantasy and
her personal services, no matter how good and how unique they are - yes and
always will be! Would I feel bitter about that, as Eleanor does? Mixing up her real
world and her fantasy escort services, Eleanor is thinking about her own self being
"dispensable". On the contrary, I am thinking about only my services...

Do I meet the same type of clients, as Eleanor does in her story, who are
emotionally lonely or unhappy and seeking different level of relationship then
courtesan's companionship? Unfortunately, I do. Can I give them what they looking
for and let them in into my real world? If I truly could, I should not be in this business
for my own good...

I would love to know your thoughts about
http://www.nerve.com/PersonalEssays/Bell/unbelievers/ essay very much too!

Kisses,

Inga

[pswope]

If not for your onerous screening procedures,I would book your companionship for an entire day. Not because of your abundant physical charms,but because you've managed to pull off the most subtle yet stinging bitch slap,I've witnessed on a board like this..........ever!

Sincere kudos,from a new fan.

Swope

ps- I respect your right to impose whatever security you feel is proper and your market will bear.

[wsb]

Guy --

I really detest your usage of the word "classiest" to decribe me. I'd rather you call me a scumbag than use such a common expression. Did you just get offf the 5:11 from Ronkonkama (sp?)???

Bisous,

WSB

P.S. to Inga --

Since Inga "can be anybody", I'd prefer that she be Monica Bellucci - much more my type.

P.P.S. to Guy --

Richard Gere - are you kidding??? What a pussyboy!

[Ozzy]

Richard Gere - are you kidding??? What a pussyboy

well wsb, we agree there.


slinky, did you see a gerbil running around.

[Slinky Bender]

Sorry, VV, I ate it already.

Heard RG had to give up the wine enemas because the G's were getting drunk and falling asleep.

[Ozzy]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


shhhhh you outted me. don't you know i'm under the radar in here. hiding from all these woman is tuff enough.

[Edited by Ozzy on 01-29-2001 at 06:53 PM]

[guy catelli]

Originally posted by Inga
Dear Guy!

.......I would love to know your thoughts about
http://www.nerve.com/PersonalEssays/Bell/unbelievers/ essay very much too!

Kisses,

Inga

dear Inga,

i could write volumes about Miss Bell's short story. but, for our purposes -- achieving greater mutual understanding and enhancing the relationships beween escorts and their clients -- i will focus on the one line that left the deepest impression on me.

Miss Bell had arrived at the hotel room of a first-time client, Richard, who had just gotten in from a flight half-way around the globe.

as soon as she finished taking care of the financial end of their transaction, he motioned for her to stand in front of where he had been sitting while sipping on a drink. without another word, his hands began to explore her in a very personal and intimate way.

writing of herself in the third person, Miss Bell commented, "The anonymity between them left a vacuum which could be filled by his imagination, his transgressive impulses, and his need for unconditional intimacy."

"transgressive" -- that word is indelibly impressed upon my mind. for, it is the one word that goes to the very heart of what this thing of ours is all about: transgression. it is the reason why anti-sex moralists of both the religious right and the political left are so adamently opposed to this thing of ours. it is at once why civilian women look down on what escorts do, and why everyone in the civilian world looks down on clients.

i was with a highly sophisticated and well-bred woman from Nice in France for the first time. i had found her fascinating to observe and enchanting to listen to, as well as magically sensitive and sensuous. i did my best to please her with little presents, sincerely heartfelt compliments, and such skills at pleasuring a woman as i have learned under the tutelege of undoubtedly more than 100 escorts over the years (who keeps an accurate count after the 1st year, anyway?).

and yet, as delighted as i was with her time and companionship (and i was -- *very*), at a certain point, the time had come for the coup de grace. i asked her to recline. as she complied, she said in a tone simultaneously ironic, resigned, and poignant, "ah, you want me to surrender!"

i felt such deep compassion for her. i realized that the very thought of submitting to my carnal appetite must have been a terrible ordeal for her. and yet, i replied with a mixture of irony and triumph, "yes".

if i were a truly compassionate and decent man, indeed, if i were merely a civilized human being, i would have spared her this ultimate indignity. but, since i am not any of these, i did not hesitate to take full advantage of her compromised position.

and, there it is. a single word that sums up the true purpose of all of my chivalry and Romanticism -- my gifts, my tender endearments, my deferential mode and manners: transgression. as was once said in a not too different context, this insight makes my time and companionship with an escort "all the better to enjoy it".

sincerely,

guy

[Ozzy]

something tells me i have to check out this oak room.... i keep hearing about it.

[guy catelli]

dear Inga,

i am sure that it comes as no surprise to learn that someone with the screen name "wallstreetbanker" is very 'literal'. and, as a matter of fact, he is literally quite correct that my respect and admiration for wsb has nothing to do with 'class', as such.

according to the academic definition, 'class' is merely a matter of how much money one earns and the manner by which one earns it, as in 'socioeconomic class'. what is distinctive about wsb is not, of course, his class -- which is typical of those in a position to indulge in this thing of ours. rather, it is his 'caste' and his 'character', the former a matter of nature, and the latter a matter of nurture. see, for example, Peter Berger's Invitation to Sociology http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0385065299/qid=980860650/sr=2-1/ref=sc_b_1/107-5697834-3011704

thus, if the expanding credit bubble atop which our economic prosperity has precariously perched for almost two decades were ever to burst, it is not impossible to imagine that wsb might join millions of others in descending from the 'upper class' down into the 'lower class'.

and yet, their essence is such that the caste and character of wsb would remain completely unaffected.

for those who are just tuning in, wsb and i are mortal enemies, philosophically speaking. i am a Romantic Revolutionary; whereas wallstreetbanker is, well, a wall street banker!

i view every woman as a divine work of art. (naturally, not every work of art is a masterpiece. but, nonetheless, every work of art is interesting at some level.) by contrast, wsb evaluates every woman the way he might the creditworthiness of the corporate issuer of a debt instrument.

but, this does not explain why i have publicly attacked wsb more often and with more words in total than i have with practically every other 'utilitarian' client combined. the real reason, revealed for the first time on an 'open board', is that wsb is not the bedwetting cry-baby that every single one those clients are that are so quick to be publicly rude to honest working women, and equally quick to break down into shrill hysteria when fire is returned.

this trait comes from wsb's caste, the equestrian caste. (somewhat embarrassingly, in light of my politics, my literary namesake, Gaius Valerius Catullus, was also of the equestrian caste. for a sampling of Catullus's verse translated into swedish, see: http://arachne.jaze.net/~catullus/text2/s5.htm )

thus, as a matter of noblesse oblige, wsb can never be other than the cool and unperturbable gentleman, no matter how hot the flaming gets. but, what is even more distinctive and noteworthy is wsb's character. one's caste is merely a matter of having lucky genes. character, by contrast, can only be earned through moral merit.

and, it is in the quality of his character that wsb has distinguished himself beyond every other client on every asp board. to understand why, you must first understand that, surprising as it may seem, there have been a few very rare occasions on which i was the subject of a tiny bit of controversy. see, for example: http://www.utopiaguide.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1471#post1471

as a sideshow to the pandemonium surrounding that incident, an even stranger incident had occurred. 'in real life', a certain escort was typical of what i call a spoiled american princess. because of her family's money and position, she was able to have her way in real life with everyone and everything. except that, unsurprisingly, she was very lonely and unpopular.

and so, she became an escort, thus reversing the usual cause and effect. that is, whereas most people (male or female) become escorts to gain financially at some expense to their social status, she became an escort, sadly, to *gain* social status -- money was already in no short supply for her.

it worked for awhile. then, she outsmarted herself in certain behind-the-scene machinations. without going into details, a scheme she had hatched to make life more difficult for a certain board operator had, shall we say, backfired. she reacted by having a psychotic episode in front of the entire *** board community, specifically directed at myself. her timing was impeccable, coinciding as it did with the troubles i was having regarding l'affaire Gerald.

in the midst of this firestorm directed at myself from many quarters, one, and only one, client stepped forward to say, in effect, about the 20 or so (unanswered) flames she had posted against me, that 'enough was enough'. that client, of course, was 'wsb'.

the denouement is that she had to retire from escorting, having revealed to one and all what a 'real GFE' with her would be like. conversely, wsb had demonstrated, in a way impossible to contrive, that his caste and character were superior to all others.

sincerely,

guy

[guy catelli]

[deleted by GC -- repeat of prior post]

[Edited by guy catelli on 03-21-2001 at 11:28 AM]

[TuckernotSucker]

What an effin waste of bandwidth Mr. Catelli.

[Ozzy]

DITTO!

[Inga]

Dearest Guy!

With your incredible intelligence, knowledge and obvious writing talents,
you can produce a masterpiece with a title "Romanticism in the Escort Industry"!

But, me... I don't have time to breath, not to mention to participate in your
"test case"!

My best wishes!

"Inga"

[wsb]

Re: "wsb evaluates every woman the way he might the creditworthiness of the corporate issuer of a debt instrument."

High grade, plain vanilla, a little hairy or junk - yeah, that pretty much sums it up.

Re: "one's caste is merely a matter of having lucky genes. character, by contrast, can only be earned through moral merit."

Well Guy, that makes three days in a row that we agree on something.

By the way, what is A1N up to these days (not you MrNY)?

Regards,

WSB

[wsb]

Dear Inga --

I genuinely enjoyed reading your posts and feel certain that UG would benefit from your continued participation.

While I'm quite sure that time with you would be time well spent, I'm afraid that you screening procedures are too onerous for future presidential candidates like myself.

I wish you well on your trip to DC and NYC.

Regards,

WSB

[guy catelli]

Re: "wsb evaluates every woman the way he might the creditworthiness of the corporate issuer of a debt instrument."

High grade, plain vanilla, a little hairy or junk - yeah, that pretty much sums it up.

surprising as some might find it that we both agree on so fundamental a matter, am i correct in my surmise that we have both found the highest risk-adjusted returns are to be found in issues which are cafe-au-lait?

Re: "one's caste is merely a matter of having lucky genes. character, by contrast, can only be earned through moral merit."

Well Guy, that makes three days in a row that we agree on something.

for a deeply insightful discourse on the subject, see http://shop.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=1P5ZTJ0FTT&mscssid=EA13D193W5EH8M8HXXDX6ENJM40C4GFF&isbn=0674721020 (this is the shorter version of James's classic work in the field, and, as such, is known to some as "Jimmy".)

but, as a matter of fact, i think we have always been in complete agreement on the goal of mutually productive labor/management relations. we have only disgreed on what might be the most fruitful way to pursue this goal.

By the way, what is A1N up to these days (not you MrNY)?

apparently, she has adopted the screen name "Bob C" at *** to circumvent his injuction against her flaming me there.

01-30-2001 12:09 PM IP: Logged

Dear Inga --

I genuinely enjoyed reading your posts and feel certain that UG would benefit from your continued participation.

so do i. but, that leaves unanswered the pertinent issue: would Inga be certain to benefit?

While I'm quite sure that time with you would be time well spent, I'm afraid that you screening procedures are too onerous for future presidential candidates like myself.

I wish you well on your trip to DC and NYC.

Regards,

WSB

i want to be the first to publicly support your presidential candidacy. but, as you know doubt realize, i cannot put friendship before principle. therefore, i hope you would agree on the abolition of the taxation of labor and capital, leaving only the taxation of final consumption as a source of fiscal revenues.

yours, etc,

guy

[Inga]

I am sure me and other girls can benefit from your wonderful message board!


That is one of the reasons why I love so much being a courtesan! I met so many
interesting, extremely intelligent people (on line and off line!), kindly willing to share
their knowledge, experience and thoughts! Also, I have an opportunity learn more
about "male" mentality which can benefit both my personal and business life, giving
me the opportunity to provide better experience for my clients!


Although, if somebody interested to get to know me better ( for Free!), you have
more chances to catch me on the discussion boards of http://www.fool.com and
http://www.ragingbull.com , than here... Sorry! I have my priorities!


Love you All!


"Inga"

[guy catelli]

Originally posted by Inga
Dearest Guy!

... I don't have time to breath,...

"Inga"

dear Inga,

this is a common concern of escorts. in fact, it was discussed, at some length, on the "How Much Caffeine???" thread.

guy

[guy catelli]

Originally posted by Inga
..... if somebody interested to get to know me better ( for Free!), you have
more chances to catch me on the discussion boards of http://www.fool.com...

Love you All!
"Inga"

dear Inga,

it has often been said, and not without very good reason, that "a fool and his (or her) money are soon parted."

30 years of intensive academic and real world research all but prove that there is no legal investment strategy that has even a 1% chance of outperforming dollar-cost-averaging in a Dow Jones Industrial Average index fund over the long haul. see: http://www.tdwaterhouse.com/products/mutual_funds/fund_h.html

sincerely,

guy





[Edited by guy catelli on 01-31-2001 at 01:13 AM]

[guy catelli]

i am sure that all of the escorts and clients who are secure within themselves admire the way you spoke up to that self-centered, juvenile boor on another board http://www.*********.net/newyork/posts/20376.html

most people in business, any business, would not have had the courage to do so.

brava, Inga!

[wsb]

Re: "...am i correct in my surmise that we have both found the highest risk-adjusted returns are to be found in issues which are cafe-au-lait?"

I'd agree with that statement.

Re: "...would Inga be certain to benefit?"

I think so. There's plenty of fluff here, but there's also some stuff worth reading (e.g., just about anything by justme or pswope). Besides, those "motley fool" type web sites are a waste of time.

Re: "...i hope you would agree on the abolition of the taxation of labor and capital, leaving only the taxation of final consumption as a source of fiscal revenues. "

I recognize that it's difficult to get elected to office these days without supporting some sort of tax cut or tax reform, but while I agree that tax revenues are the peoples' money, I'd have a hard time supporting any sort of tax relief while we still have so many people (children especially) living below the poverty line.

Corporations don't pay dividends until they have met all of their other obligations. Similarly, I don't see how those in government can even consider a tax cut while we still have people in this country without food, shelter or healthcare.

I would truly love to pay less in terms of taxes, but if I had a choice, I'd rather pay the same or even more and not have to look at little children panhandling along with their parents when I walk down Wall Street in the morning.

--WSB

[frog]

To be fair, gc did not address an overall tax cut but a change in the method of extracting tax revenue. And in a supply side economics world, he is correct.

[Edited by frog on 01-31-2001 at 05:02 PM]

[guy catelli]

Originally posted by wsb
....I would truly love to pay less in terms of taxes, but if I had a choice, I'd rather pay the same or even more and not have to look at little children panhandling along with their parents when I walk down Wall Street in the morning.
--WSB


well said, wsb. i will return, for now, to issues more relevant to this thing of ours. but, i will just note that my comment above was not about the *level* of taxation, nor the *priorities* for expending it.

(post crossed with frog's insightful and intelligent comment above.)

[Edited by guy catelli on 01-31-2001 at 03:53 PM]

[wsb]

I understood what you were suggesting, I just regard such a plan as wholly unrealistic. The impact of such a plan would likely result in less tax revenue overall and hurt those you are trying to help. Voodoo economics Mr. Reagan!

--WSB

[guy catelli]

dear Inga,

we need your help. there is much controversy surrounding gift-giving to escorts. some clients (and escorts) are for it; some are against it.

i didn't see a 'gift list' on your site. do you accept gifts from clients? if so, what gifts would you prefer?

thanks,

guy

[justme]

Any tax system solely based on consumption would put an unequal and onerous burdon on those with the least amount of disposable income (and hence the greatest consumption/income ratios).

Moreover, any attempt to correct with exemption would inevitably result in the creation of tax loopholes and shelters which are most effectively used by those who can afford good accountants.

Any astute student of history realizes that no matter what the system proposed is, the disenfranchised will continue to be disenfranchised - they're interests are simply not attended to by the dominant ideology... by definition! Of course the hegomonic elite must keep a careful balance, opress too much and revolution is inevitable.

I think what has happened in this country is that too many people have forgotten just how close we were to revolution in the 1960's. Moreover, society has been slow to realize that the effects of media simulate those of religion that Marx despised.

I fear for this country is the wage gap does not close, but such things can only happen peacefully when those in control come to their senses.

[wsb]

Good post JM!

Come on Inga. I would love a straight answer to Guy's question.

My personal view on this subject has changed slightly over time. The way I see it, if you are giving a provider a gift as a token of your esteem for her professional skills or beauty, then by all means do so. However, if you are giving her a gift as some sort of romantic gesture (or giving a gift that implies romance), then I thing you are crossing the implicit bounds of the provider-client relationship.

Please tell us Inga, don't you feel just a wee bit sorry for the client who confuses a session with a romantic encounter???

Bisous,

WSB

[guy catelli]

Originally posted by wsb
....My personal view on this subject has changed slightly over time. The way I see it, if you are giving a provider a gift as a token of your esteem for her professional skills or beauty, then by all means do so....

careful, wsb -- this is how it starts ;)

[Edited by guy catelli on 01-31-2001 at 09:46 PM]

[guy catelli]

Originally posted by wsb
Re: "...am i correct in my surmise that we have both found the highest risk-adjusted returns are to be found in issues which are cafe-au-lait?"

I'd agree with that statement.

........

--WSB

that makes 4 times in 3 days ;)

[Willow]

Don't tell me Hollywood has brain-washed you?

What do men REALLY know anyway about how a woman feels with respect to her position as an escort? Why is it automatically assumed we as courtesans are seeking out "Prince Charming?" I believe it is because this is precisely what men want to believe. It is most likely coming from the natural chivalrous male spirit rather than from truly seeing things from a woman’s perspective. Some men want to see us as -"fallen angels," or "damsels in distress." Well, sorry to disappoint you, but I - like Inga, am not a victim, nor am I looking for the perfect prince - especially in my working life! The audacity of anyone to assume that we, as escorts all fit into the “Pretty Woman” model is naive, not to mention prejudice and provincial. It’s like assuming that "all politicians are crooks" or "all lawyers thieves." Well, perhaps this is true MUCH of the time - but certainly not ALL of the time.

For me, this profession has opened me up to a wealth of characters - good, bad, and indifferent. Regardless of all of that - I am laughing all the way to the bank! Finally, I can pursue my art career. Finally, I am enjoying a wealth-filled lifestyle. Finally, I am spoiling MYSELF! You see - I call the shots and have never been so empowered in a strangely delightful way. Despite being in a controvercial and often ill-regared industry by trade, I remain the same free-spirit who loves life and adventure as I aways was. My “identity” is only part “escort” - it is also friend, lover, artist, poet, cook, traveler and woman. I actually like my job now and that is more than I could say when I worked in the “legit” - “respectable” world!!! The pay is also about 50x better - which certainly adds to the appeal. ; -)

The multi-faceted “Willow” is not readily available to just anyone, whether I meet them in the business or not. Sex is not something you can base any “meaningful” relationship on - and either is small talk, or seeing the same cab driver more than once. Get real! Any smart escort understands the exchange and its implications. I have a feeling Inga, like myself, has plenty of interesting, educated, and fine friends to people our world with - not to mention the adventures. We are living for ourselves, taking advantage of our physical assets. We refuse to sit by the window longingly waiting for the” knight on a white horse” to rescue us. No thanks!

Besides, anyone of real substance and intelligence knows the difference between the meeting of the minds - not just the genitalia. Think about it. Where do you stand? Fun is fun - and work is work - let’s not get too serious now.

Willow
willowoftheworld.com

[Inga]

Thank you, Dear Willow!

I so agree with you, every word you have wrote!
No doubt, you are very bright and beautiful person!
I would love to meet with for lunch when we are going to be both in New York!


Sincerely,
yours Inga

[justme]

I am laughing all the way to the bank!

That strange smell... is that honesty?

Finally, I am enjoying a wealth-filled lifestyle.

Brutal honesty.

You see - I call the shots and have never been so empowered in a strangely delightful way.

[] <-- (Halmos symbol)

(getting in front of rufus who may have been tempted to use the passe QED)

[pswope]

Your Honesty is deserving of applause as is the substance of your post. I hope that both you and Inga continue with your realism and inspire your sisters to do the same.

[guy catelli]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Willow
I actually like my job now and that is more than I could say when I worked in the “legit” - “respectable” world!!!

a hearty QED to you and wsb, justme ;)

I have a feeling Inga, like myself, .....refuse(s) to sit by the window longingly waiting for the” knight on a white horse”....

at the risk of puting to fine a point on the matter, Inga specified a "Prince on the Golden Horse." see: http://www.utopiaguide.com/forums/newreply.php?action=newreply&postid=2032

[justme]

You'll have to restate the proposition, I'm afraid I don't recall.

Also, as I noted above, Q.E.D. hasn't been in use by any but the most stalwart traditionalist for decades. It's much better to use the Holmos symbol to indicate 'end of proof'. The symbol is a simple square placed at the end of the last sentence (after a period), or at the end of the last line of a calculation. I find it best to use two brackets to aproximate the symbol on-line. This convention is widely used as well. []

[guy catelli]

Originally posted by justme
You'll have to restate the proposition, I'm afraid I don't recall.

i purposely used obscure academic terminology because of my 'family'-friendly nature. for your convenience, my circumlocution was: "some [escorts] feel less degraded sucking off a lawyer than being his administrative assistant". see: http://www.utopiaguide.com/forums/newreply.php?action=newreply&postid=2332

Also, as I noted above, Q.E.D. hasn't been in use by any but the most stalwart traditionalist for decades. It's much better to use the Holmos symbol to indicate 'end of proof'. The symbol is a simple square placed at the end of the last sentence (after a period), or at the end of the last line of a calculation. I find it best to use two brackets to aproximate the symbol on-line. This convention is widely used as well. []

technically, you are correct. see: http://math.albany.edu:8000/nyjstyle.html

however, as a spiritual descendent of Gaius Valerius Catellus -- http://arachne.jaze.net/~catullus/text2/e5.htm -- i am definitely a nunc pro tunc kind of a 'guy'.

but, since you have determined to substitute the untried and new -- for the tried and true -- i would point out that 'Holmos' is a referent from deep antiquity. see: http://www.louvre.fr/anglais/collec/ager/cp2982/ager_f.htm


[Edited by guy catelli on 02-01-2001 at 03:04 PM]

[wsb]

Willow --

Re: "Why is it automatically assumed we as courtesans are seeking out "Prince Charming?"

I don't think anyone here has made such an assumption. If you are referring to GC's earlier reference to "Pretty Woman", I may be wrong, but I think IT WAS A JOKE!

I do agree with much of what you wrote and appreciate your honesty. Such honesty is certainly a breath of fresh air on a provider discussion board.

I am curious as to why you choose to refer to yourself as a "courtesan", as opposed to "provider" or any of the other words generally associated with your profession. Such a title would seem to be in stark contrast to the otherwise brutally honest approach to the business that you've evidenced by your post. I've always fancied myself a quasi-student of Eastern culture and have always found such usage by providers somewhat humorous. Of course, it isn't as bad as "geisha-mermaid".

I do hope that you will continue to contribute to UG, as I did enjoy reading your post.

--WSB

[Edited by wsb on 02-01-2001 at 03:51 PM]

[Ozzy]

willow, geat post but.......


It’s like assuming that all politicians are crooks or all lawyers thieves

ok so only 99 out of 100 are no f*ckin good.

[pswope]

Product Differentiation

[justme]

'Holmos' was of course a typo (notice how close the a and o are on a qwerty keyboard... Dvoarak?) for 'Halmos'. And point taken. http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Mathematicians/Halmos.html

[Edited by justme on 02-01-2001 at 05:51 PM]

[wsb]

Yeah swope, but it's a bit phoney don't you think?

I think the "low end" (i.e., those without Internet access) ladies are a lot more honest in that regard and not as concerned with inventing some sort of nom de guerre to mask their true occupation. I mean, what's so bad about admitting that your occupation involves "pleasuring" men? Do the ladies really believe that johns are paying them for their skills as conversationalists?

--WSB

[guy catelli]

Originally posted by wsb
Do the ladies really believe that johns are paying them for their skills as conversationalists?
--WSB

i do.

[Willow]

I don't believe I am being paid to be a good conversationalist. I thought my earlier reply made this clear.


BTW - pardon my ignorace. What does "holmus' and () mean? Are these so nasty terms that you need to write in cryptic code, or are you just trying to exclude the masses from your high English diatribe?

[Ozzy]

willow, your alright in my book.

and it's a very small book since i don't read much.

welcome to the board and i for one, appreciate your honesty. :D

[HornDogBuddah]

Willow, I add my appreciation for your honesty and forthrightness to those others who have already done so. Quod erat demonstrandum (QED) and [ ] are similar ways of punctuating or declaring the end of a logical proof. Intellectual masturbation, in many instances. Required in proofs for 10th grade math. Of little value in a thread about why you do what you do.

[Slinky Bender]

It's the Mathematician's "bow" ( Like, after the magician puts the sawed-in-half lady back together again ).

[Edited by slinkybender on 02-01-2001 at 07:24 PM]

[guy catelli]

Originally posted by Ozzy
... i don't read much....

that's why you have common sense.

[Ozzy]

it's also because you can't believe everything you read.


plus i like pictures.

[guy catelli]

Originally posted by wsb
Yeah swope, but it's a bit phoney don't you think?

I think the "low end" (i.e., those without Internet access) ladies are a lot more honest in that regard and not as concerned with inventing some sort of nom de guerre to mask their true occupation. I mean, what's so bad about admitting that your occupation involves "pleasuring" men? Do the ladies really believe that johns are paying them for their skills as conversationalists?--WSB

dear wsb and justme,

as i am sure you are aware, i only torment those who are intelligent. like the 'progressive' taxation of income, it's based on the axiom that from those to whom more has been given, more shall be asked.

i am also sure that you are aware that 'who-names-whom' has been a political issue (ie, as in who has the *power* to name whom) since biblical times. for example, Genesis is filled with narratives about names as signifiers.

and, i am further sure you are aware that most americans of italian descent would prefer to be called by others 'italian-americans' rather than 'guineas', 'dagos', or 'wops'. and you know that to the extent that others had the power to publicly designate them in a way contrary to their wish would be a measure of the others' *power* over them.

and, you probably are aware that one group's word for 'friend' is their conqueror's name for 'stranger'.

do medical doctors have the power to be known as 'physicians', rather than 'quacks'; lawyers as 'attorneys', rather than 'shysters'; politicians as 'public servants', rather than 'clubhouse hacks'?

and, you know that an escort who typically books multihour dates is no more doing the *same* thing as the woman in a 15-minute hotsheet house than Floyd Abrams is doing the *same* thing as an ambulance chasing slip-and-fall attorney, even though certain elements are constant in both instances.

so, it's not merely a "semantic" matter at all. it's a matter of who has the *power* to publicly lord it over whom.

since you both are highly intelligent and articulate, and since you both already know all of this, might there be some basis for a reasonable person to wonder if there is some kind of 'block' at work here? and, if so, what the nature, purpose, and function of that 'block' might be?

sincerely,

guy



[Edited by guy catelli on 02-01-2001 at 10:12 PM]

[Willow]

Guy,
That was very well said. I think you really explained this defining one's social position with respect to their personal power in a proverbial nutshell. Frankly, I never liked "titles" either. What does it really mean in the grand scheme of things anyway? Jack - S---!

Willow

[Willow]

Well, I was always terrible at math. I must have slept through 10th grade geometry...or was it algebra? However; I do like reading, especially books on far-away lands and frogs that turn into princes.

Willow

[guy catelli]

Originally posted by Willow
.....I do like reading, especially books on far-away lands and frogs that turn into princes.
Willow

frog, this is your 'cue' ;)


[Edited by guy catelli on 02-02-2001 at 07:41 AM]

[pswope]

In the early 90's,at a corporation I was working at,we had a bout of job title inflation. More VP's than rank and filers. A very competetent gent complained to me about a subordinate having a superior title.
Remedy
Printed a card for him with the title:

"POPE"

His self esteem,re-established,he continued his stellar performance.

The semantics of sex workers have to do with self esteem,differentiation and marketing. Since the titles are often self attached,they hold little universal meaning(n.b. to Willow-if there was a courtesan academy,offering a degree,than perhaps there would be some universal meaning to the term. imo,you'd be wasting your money. better to spend it on Art Class).

Having been with self described
"working girls","providers","escorts","hos" ,"courtesans*"etc,I can say that there is no correlation between the nomenclature and the experience the lady provides.
And as a john,in the final analysis,that's all that matters.
_____________________________________________

*I patronized a sex worker,who called herself a working girl. After,she put up her website,she became a "gentleman's companion". Having been with her in both incarnations,the only difference I noticed was an increase in price.

[Edited by pswope on 02-02-2001 at 08:47 AM]

[Slinky Bender]

Willow,
Don't be fooled, our frog never turns into a prince.

[Inga]

Gentlemen!

Thank you All for very nice messages, emails, phone calls and interest in my
services!
Since I am taking only one appointment a day with a min. 2 hours., I am already
booked up for all 4 days I will be staying in your wonderful city at this time.

If you are interested, you can still book me up for the beginning of March.

Thank you so much!

Inga

[justme]

Guy - are you willingly forgetting our very lengthy discussion on the the sociological implications of certain words? Of course I understand the issue of loaded terminology. The only point I usually try to make is that this is not mixed company. Everyone here is comfortable with what's going on, and so I don't see a need to pretty things up for each other.

I don't like being called a spick, wetback, beener, or greaser. When people ask for my race, I usually reply, 'Mexican-American'. Now, here in Texas there used to be (and sadly still are) restaurants that you could walk into that would proclaim, 'No dogs or Mexicans allowed'. Similarly, I have been referred to as, 'Hey, you Mexican,' on occasion. So to many Texans of direct(?) European descent, 'Mexican' is an insult. On the other hand, everyone in my family calls each other a Mexican, my friends (most of whom are not Mexican) call me a Mexican, and for the most part, unless offense was intended, I would not be offended by a stranger reffering to me as a Mexican (as a side note, Mexican nationals are usually offended by my being referred to as a Mexican, but that's a whole different issue). So whether or not I'm insulted by being called a Mexican comes on a case by case basis, with context giving me a clue as to how I should react.

I understand why a providor wouldn't want to be labled a whore, ho, or street-walker. I don't understand the objection to the term, 'prostitute', in the context of these boards however, because I just don't see how any of us are using it pejoritively.

As to the issue of stratification by appelation, I would suggest that my referring to myself as a proletariot won't make me so (although I am often accused of taking a 'prolier than though' attitude). Besides the whole notion of discrete class structure makes me nauseous.

[justme]

Willow -

I'm glad that the issue of Halmos was straightened out for you, but would point out that I definened the term over seven hours before you asked. Although I concede that my writing is so dull that you probably skipped over the definition.

Furthermore, at this point it would be extremely stupid of me to be hurling under the table insults at you when you appear to be the first providors whose responses are written with such plain candor*.

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*-with a nod to Inga and her obscured (but histarically poingent and quite pleasing) candor

[guy catelli]

Originally posted by justme
Guy - are you willingly forgetting our very lengthy discussion on the the sociological implications of certain words?......

i'm sending a fluffball to an escort at the moment. i'll get to you later.

{see what i mean, Val?;)}