is this anyone here?

[tooma]

From the Asbury Park Press today

http://www.app.com/app2001/story/0,21133,748753,00.html

[justlooking]

The "Q" or the "A"?

[salomon]

UG members are too smart to let anything like that ever happen.

[Cookyman]

Sounds like a case for The Peoples Court

[tooma]

I have 3 to 1 that he never even got laid.

[justlooking]

NO ONE would take that bet.

[mepee]

poor sap, needs a physciatrist not a lawyer

[Casper]

He's up a creek without a paddle. Even if he can prove she took him, the lawyer fees will eat into that money.
Anyway the saddest thing I got out of that article was that he states that he himself is in debt. If he was serious about legal action against her, I'd donate some funds just so he can out the bitch and cause her some well deserved grief. If her name is smeared I'm sure not many clubs would want her.

P.T. Barnum would be so proud though.

peace out
C

[justlooking]

http://www.stripperweb.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=general_general;action=display;num=1051298674

http://www.stripperweb.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=general_general;action=display;num=1051885718

(Although as I recall they got the shit edited out of them by the moderator there.)

[Wwanderer]

Here is my very predictable comment:

The scam and rip-off have little if anything to do with how he met her. Women use sex and intentionally faked romance to perpetuate financial cons on men all the time, and men do it to women too. I'd bet that in the vast majority of cases they do not first meet in any sort of commercial sex context, but of course, before anyone makes the obvious statistical point, it could well happen in a higher fraction of situations that start out commercial (though I doubt there is any hard data to that effect).

-Ww

[justlooking]

I would ask you to read those StripperWeb threads and consider whether strip clubs aren't an environment that fosters the kind of thinking that makes women capable of committing such scams.

[justlooking]

(I can't believe there are too many other forums where a woman who defrauded a man out of a significant amount of money would get such a sympathetic hearing.)

(NB: I've never read the *** Biz Board.)

[Wwanderer]

Originally posted by justlooking
I would ask you to read those StripperWeb threads and consider whether strip clubs aren't an environment that fosters the kind of thinking that makes women capable of committing such scams.

I don't plan to read them any more than I already have, but I agree that strip clubs probably do encourage that sort of behavior by women and are probably more supportive of that sort of behavior than most other places would be. On the other hand, they are also probably the sort of environments that encourage any sensible man to be more wary of such scams and more difficult to deceive.

-Ww

[justlooking]

The word "sensible" is bearing a lot of weight in that post.

[Wwanderer]

Originally posted by justlooking
The word "sensible" is bearing a lot of weight in that post.

Well, I am aware that I could define sensible such that my claims would be tautologically true. But, in fact, I think that most men are "sensible" in this context. In other words, I suspect that a large majority of men, including a large majority of strip club customers, would have a harder time believing that a dancer from a strip club was really in love with them than they would a woman they met in some relatively more conventional context. The atmosphere in a strip club is palpably that of a hustle, and I think most guys have enough common sense and street smarts to recognize it.

Of course, there are the lonely, love-starved, desperate and naive guys who are easy marks for such scams, and who are so happy to have the attention of a woman that they will not even consider the possibility that she is insincere. However, such guys are also easy marks outside strip clubs.

-Ww

[justlooking]

I really don't want to be arguing about this with you, but my point is that whereas those guys are easy marks both inside and outside strip clubs, in strip clubs they are in an environment where the women look at playing men as "part of the job" and not even wrong.

[Wwanderer]

Originally posted by justlooking
I really don't want to be arguing about this with you, but my point is that whereas those guys are easy marks both inside and outside strip clubs, in strip clubs they are in an environment where the women look at playing men as "part of the job" and not even wrong.

Yeah, this will perhaps lead us back to special ethical arena type considerations, which we have already thoroughly explored, so maybe best let go. Anyway, all I really wanted to note was my usual point that the hazards of getting involved with sex workers are mostly not qualitatively different than those of getting involved with women in conventional ways. The risks may be worse, but it is not a fundamentally different sort of risk or hazard; it is just a different way of meeting.

-Ww

[occasionalhobbyist]

Those stripperweb links are fucking awesome!!!

I love the bootie shots next to this staggering advice about how to rip off a guy or shut down his wife's efforts to recoup a stripper's ill-gotten gains.

I think this requires further exploration. You may not hear from me for some time, but I'm sure I'll be back.

[occasionalhobbyist]

Note: first use of the term "tautologically" in the history of UG.

Way to go Ww!

[paulie_walnuts]

I see "tautology" has been used a bit though...

[pjorourke]

Originally posted by justlooking
I really don't want to be arguing about this with you, but my point is that whereas those guys are easy marks both inside and outside strip clubs, in strip clubs they are in an environment where the women look at playing men as "part of the job" and not even wrong.

Also on carnival midways.

[pjorourke]

Originally posted by paulie_walnuts
I see "tautology" has been used a bit though...

But usually to describe someone's butt.

[Sinful7]

Isn't shit IRONIC......

Yo! Check this out a month a guy comes into the Xdreams and
ask me about a girl that worked somewhere eles, I was like I know her (blah, blah). Anyway make a long story short. He had gave the girl some money to pay her mortage, and he wired the money to her, so I guess playtime was over for him, and he wasn't happy and wanted his money back Yo! He had phone records, took them to the police and had a restraining order place on the girl. Than he ask me to Serve her, the court date suppose to be in July (He said he pay me if I did it). So he started *****ing
me about it, but what he didn't know that the girl & I are close,
but out of reach. So I sent out the Kite, and she called me last week at the Dish, said she had it control. KOOL right NOT! I see a young chick on the scene around the way we're talking and shit and she telling me the story of the girl in detail (I let her speak to
make sure I was hearing the story right) After she tells me, I put it together that the Guy that wants me to serve the girl, is offering the next girl at the next club money to go beat her up. So this guy thinks he got this shit on Lock(Like he has a Plan) but the Fuck Up Shit is that now I know. So I had to Save the Day and Stop the hit. Told the guy that it was Fucked Up you are going to be civil and ghetto at the same time that too Gansta for me. I am OUT!

Sorry if it confusing, I am still trying to figure it out

** Good Luck to My Homegirls but this is a Shout Out to always
do GOOD BUSINESS, because Bad Business will come Back and
Bite you in the Ass!

[justlooking]

Neither Wwanderer nor I wants to continue this discussion, but I just came to a realization that I thought worth memorializing.

I think Wwanderer's point that this "could have happened no matter where they met" goes contrary to his Special Arena Theory.

The point of that theory, as I understand it, is that strip clubs are a "special arena" where customers are charged with understanding that strippers will try to hustle money from them, and strippers are charged with understanding that customers will try to hustle mileage out of them.

If that's true, then in fact it should be substantially more likely that a stripper will try to play a guy than that a "normal" woman will. Because after all, that's the nature of the arena.

What this anecdote shows is the real damage that can occur when one of the parties to a "Special Arena" transaction doesn't realize he's in a Special Arena. It might be a subject of disagreement how bad we should feel for him.

[tooma]

I agree JL. Some people cannot seperate reality with fantasy. I always find it humorous when a buddy of mine will come away from a strip club with a dancer's number not realizing that there is a price to be paid for what may come next. Most even after some coaching are still shocked when they call the girl and she says they should talk about price.

[justlooking]

That's funny. I'm always relieved.

[tooma]

true. Also gives another good prospect.

[Wwanderer]

Originally posted by justlooking

1 - Neither Wwanderer nor I wants to continue this discussion,

2 - I think Wwanderer's point that this "could have happened no matter where they met" goes contrary to his Special Arena Theory.

3 - The point of that theory, as I understand it, is that strip clubs are a "special arena" where customers are charged with understanding that strippers will try to hustle money from them, and strippers are charged with understanding that customers will try to hustle mileage out of them.

4 - If that's true, then in fact it should be substantially more likely that a stripper will try to play a guy than that a "normal" woman will. Because after all, that's the nature of the arena.

5 - What this anecdote shows is the real damage that can occur when one of the parties to a "Special Arena" transaction doesn't realize he's in a Special Arena. It might be a subject of disagreement how bad we should feel for him.

1 - I guess you don't want to continue this discussion in the same way that you don't want to be unfaithful to your wife? ;-)

2 - I pretty much agree with your points 3-5, in my numbering, but do not see the contradiction or contrary aspect. Am I missing something obvious?

3 - Right.

4 - I agree and in fact said so in my first post in this subthread, or at least that is what I meant to say:

Originally posted by Wwanderer
I'd bet that in the vast majority of cases they do not first meet in any sort of commercial sex context, but of course, before anyone makes the obvious statistical point, it could well happen in a higher fraction of situations that start out commercial

5 - Yes, special arenas are more dangerous than ordinary everyday situations precisely because some of the restrictions on other peoples' behavior have been eased. Almost anyone at a poker table will try to deceive you in ways that few people normally would. And on a football field....well, you get the idea. And of course it is far more dangerous still for someone who does not realize that they are in a special arena or who misunderstands its rules. But, so what?

-Ww

[justlooking]

Originally posted by Wwanderer
But, so what?

Well, that's the question, isn't it?

[Wwanderer]

Originally posted by justlooking
Well, that's the question, isn't it?

Yes....but an answer would be nice too.

-Ww

[justme]

Cake: Strippers are just like any other woman, and so lying cheating a stealing are not their exclusive domain. In fact, they may not do so more than the average woman.

Eating it, too: Strip clubs are special venues where lying cheating and stealing are de rigor and OK (and therefore more common).

[Wwanderer]

Maybe we need an acronym or emoticon for DITTO.

-Ww

[h. von bingen]

Originally posted by justme
de rigor
well, this is one way to comply with the english only rule.

[justme]

Originally posted by h. von bingen
well, this is one way to comply with the english only rule.

rigour?

Look, if I can't spell English...

[justlooking]

Keep trying.

[Wwanderer]

Originally posted by justme
rigour?
Look, if I can't spell English...

Look guys, jm is just giving up...what could be more French than that?

-Ww