Walking naked in the Garden of S.I.N.

[billyS]

The other day I was having a conversation with Seven and she was telling me about her theories of sex that involved body temperatures, heart rate, gravity, spheres, diagonals, pyramids and something about Iceberg Slim. (No wait, actually I think Iceberg Slim was a different conversation) She has a bunch of hypotheses that I’ll let her explain in detail (as only she can). But I felt compelled to go see her today at ‘The Dish’ and help her with her research. Today we were trying to determine if two people’s body temperature reaches equilibrium will it enhance the sexual pleasure and therefore facilitate the Out of Body Experience. When I got to the room she was already naked and I quickly disrobed. I was already warm from sitting in a hot car. Not sweaty stinky, but warm. Being naked she was slightly cooler. She felt it best if I stayed still while she did most of the activity to heat her body. While I couldn’t keep perfectly still as she slithered on me, I kept pulling her close so I could suck her tits, she did most of the moving. Once I was aroused, (which was like two seconds after she locked the door) little billy was covered (thank you Thorn). I won’t bore you with the details, but she wound up sliding her slim body back and forth on my cock and I noticed the activity was making her sweat. I had her by the waist as she started to go faster and then she put her hands on my shoulders and pulled herself close so that her hot sweaty (in a good way) body was pressed tight to me, yet her pelvis continued to grind my cock. This raised my body temperature, and then I felt my cock twitching. Now I wanted to hold back and enjoy the ride a little longer but the body temperature thing might have overridden this as I came with three heavy consecutive jolts. Since I had remained almost completely still it was a different type of orgasm, surprising strong with the second two throbs as strong as the first. This kind of surprised me. It was almost as if Seven knew what she had done because she just as I was finishing she leaned back and with a knowing grin asked “how was that’? I really don’t know if it was the temperature thing, so I guess I’ll have to go back and try again and see if I can repeat the results.

[Sinful7]

Billy, their no secret on the thread that we don't physical
know each other. But some where in Utopia Guide I wrote
about body temps eaching equilbrium, before I saw you
today I going to find that date and post and quote it on
this thread if it is possible, to let people know the research is
real I formulate these things and test them on my participants,
Each person that comes and sees me know I come ready
and willing to Self Indulge.

We are how "playing with desire"

Body temp plays a vital role, What happens when atoms
heat up they move around more? I am assuming a connection
with body temp that are heating up, and being generated by two, enabling to heat to propel the circulation and that makes the blood move oxgen through, changing the heart rate,
OXYGEN is the key, and getting oxgen to organs, like
the brain and penis, ....that reminds me I was reading (and I'll find it and post the article if necessary), that in Ancient Egyptian
autopsy shoulded that many skulls had wholes in the top
of their skull, some scientist believed they put holes there to
see what would happen if they could get direct oxgen to
the brain, and now we have oxygen bars...thing change
but stay the same.

[billyS]

Seven, Ok, we can experiment with the body tempeture, heart rate, positions (zero gravity), that all sounds good. But I draw the line with drilling a hole in my skull.

[Sinful7]

I am telling you that oxygen is the key, you have to be in
fair physical conditional, just for the endurance part. You
have to make it down the landing strip before you take off.

[Sinful7]

Anyway, zero gravity postions take a great deal of conditioning
on the body it like going from 2 dimensional sex to 3 dimensional
sex. That why I tell people it like thinking outside of the box.

[Sinful7]

Synergy is part of the catalyst to an "Out of Bogy Experience"

Cooperative interaction among groups, especially among the acquired subsidiaries or merged parts of a corporation, that creates an enhanced combined effect

The power is the enhacement of creativity sexually, creativity
starts in the mind and spreads sexuality through body like
your circulatory system.

[Rocko]

I could use a Sinful7 OBE-you,Shy or anybody good working tommorrow in the daytime-the scheds not up yet...

[Sinful7]

I have to tell you the call the store and ask who is on. It
really sucks because Mike does the schedule 1 week at a
time. I don't know if I can give out the number on this website
but call 411. As for me link in my website from the classified
and my schedule posted in there,or ***** me. Next week I will get the schedule of all the A-list girls from the "dish" and post it up on website for everyone to see. We all get along really well
I ask them to give me pictures of themselves, to go on my
website. Thanks you made me think up some good idea
for my own site

[billyS]

Originally posted by Sinful7
We all get along really well
I ask them to give me pictures of themselves, to go on my
website. Thanks you made me think up some good idea
for my own site
Hmmm, strippers who get along well. Take notes Daneille. Speaking of your website I love the new video clips. They are so much more clearer then the first ones you had. That new equipment really makes a differance.

[Sinful7]

Billy, wouldn't it be cool if we could post our "dish" information
here in detail because it is SINFUL. I talk to Shy, and Missy
I have to call Cream, everyone thinks it cool, because there
is alot, of us want our thread back and I took one for the team
here on UG, and since I can talk freely about it and I know all
the girls it will definitly add to the editorials, Are we have allowed
to start a new "dish" thread. If so I want to start it. If not
we keep the information on the low here because you see
people asking about my homegirls, there room for the whole
"dish" A-list team, and the other girls too if you want to
inquire about them. When I brought my laptop to work
girls was upset we were cut....but what can we do?

[dude6464]

So how does one get to meet the ever so delightful 7 ? I have been reading so much about her i believe its time to make her acquaintnce.

[billyS]

Originally posted by Sinful7
Billy, wouldn't it be cool if we could post our "dish" information
here in detail because it is SINFUL.

Seven, wouldn't it be cool if Mike just took out an ad? Maybe you girls could convince him that a lot of guys read this. I tried to tell him that one day but he thinks Newsday is better. Tell him most of the guys first hear about the girls here. In fact, Except for Dawn, I tried you (the Sinful one) Shy, Missy, Cassandra, Cream and (hold my breath) Loren because of what I read on UG.
Or if the A list want to take out a banner (like what has been discussed) have Mike pay at least half. When I go I will reveiw because inquiring minds want to know. But what happen to the other guys Like QB14, Matty Haze, Rickyoshay?

[Sinful7]

I guess I am going to think about how to approach the
situation. Anything is possible in the right space in time.

[lawyer101]

Seven,
I want to try and get down to “the dish” this weekend and review one of the girls. I don’t know how good the review will be, but I will give it my best shot. I just have one question to ask,do I need to ask the girl’s permission to write a review? Do any of the girls get offended by the reviews? Maybe you can send me an ****** and give me ideas of what to include in a review and what not to include.

I signed up onto UtopiaGuide because you had told me that I could read reviews about all the girls. Unfortunately I was only able to find a few reviews. I was able to find many discussion boards, but that is not what I am looking for. To make a long story short, I am going to try and lead by example. Maybe if I start writing reviews others will follow.

Now, enough procrastinating…I must get back to studying:)

[pswope]

dude

The passing rate for the NY Bar (assuming you've made it that far*) is steadily declining. Suggest you nix the PMB jones and study.

* OTOH,given how many lawyers are unhappy,how poor the prospects are for new grads, you maybe better off flunking or doing poorly. Maybe you'll get to run a movie studio or title insurance company.

[grant]

Hey lawyer 101, I took the bar exam someowhere around eight years ago and failed by 10 points. I was drunk when I took it so I didn't beat myself up too bad. But that exam whas the highest pass rate in history. Ha ha I am a real shmuck. Take the exam, study hard, (do you use pieper or barbri?) but just make sure whatever you do, it is something you love, that is the key to a happy life. Best of luck to you.

Now more about seven, she really amazed me in the last few weeks. One of our girls will be out of work for a few months due to soemthing pretty serious. She willl not be able to dance anywhere, maybe bartend who knows. but seven had the idea to take up a collection for her to help her out. As she is dwindling her savings fast, she has a couple kiddies. The girl who is out sick is one of my closest friends and I didn't think of anything like that. I just wanted everyone to see a different side of seven, how she is a beautiful and thoughful perful. Beautiful soul, beautiful physically.

[LI_Whoremaster]

Originally posted by lawyer101
Seven,
I want to try and get down to “the dish” this weekend and review one of the girls. I don’t know how good the review will be, but I will give it my best shot. I just have one question to ask,do I need to ask the girl’s permission to write a review? Do any of the girls get offended by the reviews? Maybe you can send me an ****** and give me ideas of what to include in a review and what not to include.


You're joking right? What good to the rest of us is a reveiw if you tell the girl ahead of time you are going to review her? And ask her what to write? Why would you ask her permission? The reason we review, the way the A list was started, was so that guys could know who was hot and who was not. Of course some get offended by reveiws. There was a big stink some time ago about a girl fucking guys in there and then a big denial post
http://www.utopiaguide.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9155
Asking Seven what to write? Come on. When we let the girls control what we write we might as well let them come back on as guys and reveiw themselves. But if you want to help out go review some new chick. Kelly looks hot, young, blonde, big tits. Go see if she will play with your dick. Then write an honest reveiw.
And don't run it by Seven first, just post it.

[lawyer101]

Pswpope,
Thanks for taking an interest in me….:)

I am the new kid on the block, so I guess it’s my initiation time.

I will give you some background on myself.

I am 27 years old. I will be finishing my 2nd year of law school officially on Monday(that is my last final). I work for one of the largest law firms in New York(name will not be mentioned for obvious reasons). I am presently working in the PI(personal injury) area of law. I handle all injury cases, but my specialty at this time is bodily injury claims against 3rd party insurance companies. My job duties are the same as an attorney, however I can not be involved in any trials, as I have not passed the BAR exam and because I have not been “sworn in” by New York State.

How many attorneys’ do you know that are unhappy? All the attorney’s that I work with have nothing to complain about. The job may be a pain in the ass at times, but what job isn’t? I see these guys driving around in Mercedes Benz’s with beautiful girlfriends/wives. Many of them live in Times Square where the average monthly rent is $3500. Heck, that’s the good life. My problem is that I have champagne taste and I want to make sure that I have the champagne pockets to back it up..:)

Grant,
You were drunk when you took the Bar?…lol You’re not a schmuck. You were really close to passing. You should have taken it again..:) Thanks for all the kind words.

I use Bar/Bri. I have found that the outlines and test questions that they use are very helpful to me.

Who is the girl that will be out a couple of months? If you don’t want to mention who it is I can completely understand.

Are you working this week? I have wanted to come down and see you, but it was my understanding that you were on vacation:)

LIWhoreMaster,
I’m sorry if my message bothered you. I am new to Utopia Guide and I will be the first one to tell you that I have a lot to learn. I have my regular girls that I go to see at “the dish” and I wouldn’t want to offend them in any way by putting something on this board that they would not be happy with. I think they deserve that courtesy. I only asked Seven for her assistance because she has been following UtopiaGuide for sometime and she is more familiar with the ways things should be done. Another thing, I never said that I wanted Seven to control what I write. My message explained that she could give me some advice on what to include and what not to include in a review.

BTW, Is my initiation over yet?…lol

[jseah]

great........like we really need more lawyers.... ;)
(just kidding with ya)

[lawyer101]

Thanks Jseah. Someone with a sense of humour. WE need more peolple like you on here..:)

[justlooking]

Originally posted by lawyer101
LIWhoreMaster,
I’m sorry if my message bothered you. I am new to Utopia Guide and I will be the first one to tell you that I have a lot to learn. I have my regular girls that I go to see at “the dish” and I wouldn’t want to offend them in any way by putting something on this board that they would not be happy with. I think they deserve that courtesy. I only asked Seven for her assistance because she has been following UtopiaGuide for sometime and she is more familiar with the ways things should be done. Another thing, I never said that I wanted Seven to control what I write. My message explained that she could give me some advice on what to include and what not to include in a review.

BTW, Is my initiation over yet?…lol

I am going to say this quite seriously:

If you feel that way, DO NOT submit reviews to this forum. They will be a disservice to the readers.

There are plenty of things to talk about here without submitting reviews. I never do.

[Sinful7]

[QUOTE][B]You're joking right? What good to the rest of us is a reveiw if you tell the girl ahead of time you are going to review her? And ask her what to write? Why would you ask her permission? The reason we review, the way the A list was started, was so that guys could know who was hot and who was not. Of course some get offended by reveiws. There was a big stink some time ago about a girl fucking guys in there and then a big denial post

Whoremaster listen to a dirty Lil' Whore behind close door in
VIP room 4. The reason he ask me these questions is because
I introduced him, and I told him the whole story at work about
girls arguing over UG (it cause a big thing at work) and some
girls quit because of it. Now, because he knows the inside
scoop at the "dish" he asked for advice, it not like I am
telling him what to post or how with who. He tried to post
and it was taken off so apparently, he wording something
wrong, or saying too much, I don't know the situation that
well with why his post was removed, but he asked me because
I am honest with him and everything I told him has been the
truth. I consider him my friend, and friends ask each other
for advise.

I hope I cleared up things up, believe me I want people to
post freely so that I can get a more indepth understanding
of sexuality.

[justlooking]

Reviews don't get taken off here for "saying too much".

They get taken off here for "shilling" -- providing free advertising -- for service providers who don't buy ads.

One good way to write the kind of "review" that gets removed as a "shill" (as opposed to being a genuine, real review) is to clear it with the review subject before posting it.

[lawyer101]

Justlooking,
I recently put up a review of one of “the dish” girls and the post was deleted. I sent a message to Slinkybender so he could let me know what I did wrong. I think my review may have been too long and detailed. But, I honestly do not know. I hope that he will send me a message back so that I know what I did wrong and so that I can make sure not to do it again in the future.

The only reason that I was asking if I should clear it with the person that i was reviewing was because I thought that was the right thing to do. I only thought that it would be a common courtesy. I did not know if the other guys who post reviews were doing this, so this is why I asked.

As far as me “shilling”, I have no reason to do this. I do not have a vested interest in any of the girls. Shore, I enjoy the dance and the conversation, but that is it. If the girl were to make more money due to one of my reviews, do you think she is going to share it with me? No way. The only thing that I can possibly see happening is that I would have to wait longer if I went to see the girl on a particular day/night. This doesn’t seem like a benefit to me.

Seven had told me that Utopia Guide had many reviews on the girls at “the dish”. This is one of the main reasons that I had decided to join. My thinking was that I would rather read a review of one of the girls before going to see them, so at least I would know what to expect. This webpage has more discussions then reviews. All I wanted to do was start writing some reviews in hope that others would follow. I’m starting to sound like a broken record, but I’ll say it again “I am the new kid on the block and I have a lot to learn about Utopia Guide”. All I was doing was asking a question. It was my understanding that you could ask questions on this board. I did not think that LIWhoremaster would “beat me up” that way he did. Instead of ripping me apart, I wish that some would take the initiative and answer the questions that I have asked. I only want to do the right thing. I was hoping that someone could explain that to me. I guess, I’ll just have to wait and see.

Please do not take my message as being offensive in any way. This is not the purpose of my response. My purpose is to give you an understanding to why I had asked the above questions.

[justlooking]

Sorry. I hope you haven't taken my posts on this subject to you as being offensive in any way, either. (Although it's easy to see how you could have.)

I have to say this (which is not meant to be argumentative, just in the interest of discussion):

I think one reason that the previous Dish review threads degenerated into such an unfortunate mess is that it's kind of impossible to have reliable consumer reviews in a situation where (a) the customers feel friendly with the service providers and (b) the service providers can read the reviews. Once the Dish girls found out about this site, something like what happened in those previous threads was bound to happen.

One other thought. Say there was a girl at the Dish who you really liked. But there are some "downsides" about her which, although they don't bother you, you know might bother other people (like maybe she has some cottage cheese in her thighs or ass, or she's considerably older than the norm, or she went to law school). Would you have the balls to put that in a review that you were going to give her to read before posting it? I don't think I would. Indeed, I'd never be able to say any of those things if I thought she'd ever be able to read the review.

But, if you left them out, don't you think you'd be being unfair to people who read your review and might care about one or more of those considerations even though you don't?

[justlooking]

Also, re "shilling".

"Shilling" has sort of become a term of art on whoreboards.

It doesn't just apply to cases where the guy posting the review has an undisclosed financial interest in the review subject. It might even be more common for the "shiller" to be trying to help out someone he views as a friend, or to hope to get extra mileage in return for the favorable publicity he's generating.

But it always results in the same "evil": incomplete or unreliable consumer information on the board.

[Danielle]

Exactly. The dish reviews are almost always super positive. Real reviews about anything in the world, even great ones, generally include a couple negative details. That's what makes a review a review and not an advertisement.

Question: Aren't there girls at the dish who would prefer not to be mentioned here for fear that one of their customers who they don't offer a lot of extras to for whatever reason might discover that they're doing more for certain other favorite customers? It seems to me that that might piss a lot of people off and subsequently lose the girl bussiness.

[danger-us]

Originally posted by justlooking


One other thought. Say there was a girl at the Dish who you really liked. But there are some "downsides" about her which, although they don't bother you, you know might bother other people (like maybe she has some cottage cheese in her thighs or ass, or she's considerably older than the norm, or she went to law school).

LOL, I'm glad you have a sense of humor about it.

[LI_Whoremaster]

Originally posted by lawyer101
I did not think that LIWhoremaster would “beat me up” that way he did.
Nobody is ripping you apart. But if you are going to review, don't ask the girl, just do it. Look at Genius. He tells it like it is. The girls don't know who he is so he can say whatever he wants. Justlookings advice about six posts down tells it all. If you are freinds with these girls and you intend to run your reviews by them before submitting them then yuo are doing unsuspecting members a disservice. The thing that let to the old thread which had many good reviews, getting killed was this guy Anthony who was trying to sell this girl Loren as the sexiest thing. He had become freinds with her and wrote gushing reviews about her as a favor to her, and perhaps to secure extra services. When other saw her they were dissapointed.

[justlooking]

Originally posted by Danielle
Question: Aren't there girls at the dish who would prefer not to be mentioned here for fear that one of their customers who they don't offer a lot of extras to for whatever reason might discover that they're doing more for certain other favorite customers? It seems to me that that might piss a lot of people off and subsequently lose the girl bussiness.

1. This is one reason why I personally would feel uncomfortable about reviewing strippers. Because to me, it's understood (or maybe I should say "hoped") with at least many of them that mileage varies.

BUT

2. If a girl works in a place that's frequently reviewed, it's kinda her tough luck if she doesn't want to be. I think a lot of reviewers quite justifiably don't feel any reason to honor any service provider's wishes not to be reviewed (because quite frankly such wishes are often suspect -- it's just as likely, for example, that she doesn't want her provision of certain services to be disclosed in a review because she wants to keep their prices artificially high by fooling each customer into believing she does them "only" for him when in fact she does them for everybody). The transparency that the internet review scene has created is not without its downsides -- ESPECIALLY for service providers.

[*********]

From my limited experience as a whore, it's clear (80% of the time) most johns who plan to see you again will not post a review.

[justlooking]

That's like really interesting.

Is that 80% of ALL guys (like does it include guys who don't read whoreboards, or only lurk, but NEVER post reviews)?

If so, what percentage of "regular reviewers" would you say don't post reviews if they intend to see you again?

[lawyer101]

Justlooking,
I have not found any of your messages to be offensive. I will admit that they have surprised me, but that is about it.

As far as the previous “dish” threads getting deleted I am not fully aware of what happened. I have been on UtopiaGuide for about a week and a half now. What happened before I arrived I am not aware of. Seven has tried to fill me in, but I have had questions for her that she couldn’t even answer. Why did the previous “dish” thread get deleted? Did some of the “dish” girls come onto the webpage and complain about bad reviews? Inform me. It will only help me to get a better understanding of what you are talking about.

I like the part about the girls’ downside being going to law school. That gave me a good laugh..:) I can see what you are saying about showing the girl the review before posting it. This may cause me to leave out certain things that may hurt her feelings. That makes perfect sense. I am glad that you took the time to explain that to me. I just wasn’t shore how other reviewers were handling it. I just assumed that they ran the review by the subject. I just had a question and now you cleared that up for me. When I review a girl I will not even mention that I am reviewing her. Heck, if I do write something that was on the negative side about the dancer I would not want her to “ball” me out the next time that she saw me.

In response to your explanation about “shilling”. I do find many of the girls at “the dish” to be really cool, but I also understand that this is a business relationship. The only girl at “the dish” that I would say that I know on a personal basis is Seven. This is why I would never consider reviewing her. Heck, I’ll be the 1st one to say that she gives one of the best shows, but that is as far as I would go. As far as the other girls go, I don’t know them as well as I do her. I have had many conversations with them, but that is it. I am a realist and I understand when you exchange money for sexual favors this is a business transaction. The girls that I see regularly always give me a good show. I don’t need to try and get extra mileage from them. Honestly, it would be in my best interest not to review any of them because all it will do for me is increase my wait time when they are working.

Can you shed some light on why you don’t post reviews?

Thank you for taking the time to explain the above mentioned items…:)

Danielle,
You did not see my review. Or did you? It was deleted from the board. How can you say that I was trying to advertise and not give a fair review? I felt that my review was more than fair. What do you mean by your question? This was probably covered in another thread, but I have not read it to date.

LiWhoreMaster,
You have calmed down a lot. Your last message to me I did find to be offensive. Thank you for understanding that I am only attempting to gain knowledge about the UtopiaGuide World. I will say once again that I don’t consider these girls to be friends, but more like business associates. I can now understand why you guys feel that the posts should not be shown to the girl prior to posting. That makes a lot of sense and I will use that advice. The old “dish” thread was killed because some guy wrote about one of the girls being hot and everyone disagreed? Why would that kill a thread? I guess that was this guy’s opinion. I may think one of the girls is hot and you may not. If we disagreed, then a thread would get killed? I don’t mean to sound ignorant, but people will have different opinions. A wise man once said, “Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.” I though that the main purpose of this board was to share our opinions. I happen to like girls with brown hair and brown eyes and you may happen to like blondes with blue eyes; our preferences alone will make us have different opinions. I only wish that I was around when all the drama was going around in the threads. If I saw it first hand, I think I would have a better understanding of it.

SexyWhore,
Why do you think they would not want to review you?

[lawyer101]

So after picking my brain for the entire day and night I finally have found out why my post was deleted. I was serioulsy starting to think that Slinkybender thought that I was shilling, but that is not the case. I was reading through the rules and the "newbie sections" and I realized that to start a thread in the "Strippers and Pornstars" board I need to have a minimum of 50 posts. I have a lot less than that. I originaly posted my message on the "General Board" as this was the only board that allowed me to start a new thread. I then ******ed Slinky to see if the post could be moved to the "Strippers and Pornstars" board, and this is when the post was deleted. I feel a lot better. I'd like to apoligize to Slinkybender for my error and for bothering you with my ******s.

Time to drink some more coffee and get back to studying...:)

[Thorn]

Originally posted by Sexywhore
From my limited experience as a whore, it's clear (80% of the time) most johns who plan to see you again will not post a review.

[buzzer sounds]

My personal experience.

About 100% of johns who plan to see you again AND know that you are aware of their posting names will not post an unfavorable review.

However, some percentage will post an honest review when they are sure you have no idea who is doing the posting.

[pswope]

Originally posted by lawyer101
So after picking my brain for the entire day and night I finally have found out why my post was deleted. I was serioulsy starting to think that Slinkybender thought that I was shilling, but that is not the case. I was reading through the rules and the "newbie sections" and I realized that to start a thread in the "Strippers and Pornstars" board I need to have a minimum of 50 posts. I have a lot less than that. I originaly posted my message on the "General Board" as this was the only board that allowed me to start a new thread. I then ******ed Slinky to see if the post could be moved to the "Strippers and Pornstars" board, and this is when the post was deleted. I feel a lot better. I'd like to apoligize to Slinkybender for my error and for bothering you with my ******s.

Time to drink some more coffee and get back to studying...:)

Slinky has a mens rea detector.

jl

I think most experienced PMB readers know how to distinguish a John Simon review from one from Peter Travers.

[justlooking]

Originally posted by lawyer101
Can you shed some light on why you don’t post reviews?

1. I don't post reviews because for the most part I don't want people to be able to connect my internet whoreboard identity to my real self. But since I would never write a review that wasn't very detailed, anyone I'd review would be able to tell from reading it who wrote it. I don't wan't that. So I wouldn't post a review anywhere where they might be able to read it.*

2. Also, I know I'd never be able to bring myself to write a completely honest, objective review if I thought there was a chance the review subject could ever see it (especially if she was someone I intended to keep seeing). And I wouldn't waste time (mine and the readers') writing something that was significantly self-censored.

3. Most of my commercial sex now is either with UTR or PS girls** or with strippers (mainly the latter, if you care). I don't think UTR or PS girls should be reviewed in public because they don't advertise, so I don't think they've implicitly consented to being publicized as participants in illegal activities. The same goes for strippers (I'm talking about "normal" strip clubs, not places like the Dish), who ostensibly don't provide "real" sexual services (even if in fact they might, at least to some favored customers). So I think it would be wrong to review them as such.
_____________________________________________
* You won't believe this, but the interent PMB ("Prostitution Message Board") community can be a really nasty place. There have been all sorts of instances of prostitutes retaliating against johns who posted unfavorable reviews, or johns mounting personal real-world attacks against other johns who they were jealous of or for some reason disliked. It pays to be careful.

** UTR = "Under the Radar". That refers to women who work as prostitutes, often just part-time, but don't advertise, relying instead on word of mouth, referals, and chance meetings.

PS = "Private Stock". That refers to women who aren't professional prostitutes but who cut deals with one or a few men they meet in various ways to provide sexual access in return for compensation.

[Danielle]

Lawyer101-

Even if you were trying to write a "fair" review, when you leave out certain key details because you know the reviewee might see it at some point, then it comes off more as free advertising than a true unbiased critique.

In my opinion, the only way to write a real, unbiased review on this board or any other for that matter is to do it in total anonymity or with a complete disregard for whether or not the review might offend the review subject. Because you've gotten to know the girls at the dish and some of them are aware of you're internet personality it might be difficult for you to completely disclose everything you really think about them. This is not to say that you necessarily have any negative commentary to make, but if you did you would think twice about posting it here, wouldn't you?

[justlooking]

DITTO.

Too bad Danielle's not a guy.

Naaaaaaaaaaaah. I take that back.

[lawyer101]

Justlooking,
I would like to thank you for all the information that you have given me. Your wisdom has helped me to get a better understanding of the Utopia Guide World.
Thanks for explaining what PS and UTR girls are because I had no idea..:)

How do you meet these girls since they don’t advertise? You mentioned word of mouth, but from whom? Is this knowledge that you gain for reading UtopiaGuide or is this information that you get on your own off the board?

What is your secret with strippers? Are you “hooking up” with girls from main stream clubs or from small “dive” strip clubs? My assumption would be that it would be easier to get an outside meeting from a girl from a smaller strip club then from a mainstream club, but I guess if you are willing to spend the money anything is possible.

[justlooking]

1. Off the board.

2. Mainstream clubs.

[Danielle]

Yeah, JL is simply a man in the know.

[justlooking]

Originally posted by lawyer101
I guess if you are willing to spend the money anything is possible.

[lawyer101]

Danielle,
You did not answer my question. Did you see my review? If you did not, then how could you say that I left our certain key details? Why do you feel all “the dish” reviews are positive?

If I were to write a negative review about one of the girls, this would mean that I had a bad experience with her. If I had a bad experience, then I would not want to see her again. If that was the situation, then why would I care if she read the review?

[justlooking]

Since Danielle hasn't said it yet, I'll say it:

It sounded to me like she was talking about many of the other Dish reviews that have been posted here.

[justlooking]

Originally posted by lawyer101
If I were to write a negative review about one of the girls, this would mean that I had a bad experience with her. If I had a bad experience, then I would not want to see her again. If that was the situation, then why would I care if she read the review?

As Danielle correctly said, even the most favorable review, if it's a real review, ought to have some negative comments in it.

I can't imagine ever writing even a really favorable review that I would think the review subject would be happy to see.

(Also, as to really negative reviews, if you're a regular at the Dish, would you want there to be some girl there that hates you because she knows you slammed her on the internet, even if you never intend to purchase her services again? I sure wouldn't.)

[Danielle]

Originally posted by justlooking
DITTO.

Too bad Danielle's not a guy.

Naaaaaaaaaaaah. I take that back.

Owning a penis is like owning a goldfish as a pet while a vagina is more like a dog with special diet needs who has to be walked three times a day. They're such high maintenance! Although I'm sure you'll all argue that keeping your goldfish happy is damn expensive.
For the first 12 years of my life I wanted nothing more than to be a boy. Then one day I was walking down the street and a group of guys started sexually harassing me. This is totally sick but I got the biggest adrenaline rush I'd ever experienced. From that day forth I've been a devoted dog person.

[justlooking]

That has to be the single most revealing post I've ever read by anybody.

[Danielle]

Originally posted by justlooking
As Danielle correctly said, even the most favorable review, if it's a real review, ought to have some negative comments in it.

I can't imagine ever writing even a really favorable review that I would think the review subject would be happy to see.

(Also, as to really negative reviews, if you're a regular at the Dish, would you want there to be some girl there that hates you because she knows you slammed her on the internet, even if you never intend to purchase her services again? I sure wouldn't.)

Exactly. Lawyer, I did not see your review. But I agree with JL that even a good review typically includes at least one or two slightly negative comments. Noone's perfect. You might have a fantastic time with one of the girls at the dish. Great looking body, very attentive, gave you an explosive orgasm. But maybe her breath stunk or she cupped your balls a little too hard. You're not gonna say that because she might see it, and you might want to see her again because you had such a generally great time. Maybe you'd just write a great "review" and next time you went in you'd bring some Altoids and tell her to play with your nipples while she sucked your cock.

[Danielle]

Originally posted by justlooking
That has to be the single most revealing post I've ever read by anybody.

I tried to tell you I'm a weirdo.

[lawyer101]

Danielle,
If a girls breath stunk or if she cupped my balls to hard, this would make for a bad experience. I would not return to see the girl. So if I were to write a bad review about her, it would not matter because I would have no intentions on going to see her again.

If you did not see my review, then how would you know that it did not have any negative comments in it?

I know this has been explained to you many times, but I will say it again. Absolutely no head or full service goes on at “the dish”.

[lawyer101]

Justlooking,
Wht do you mean by the other "dish" reviews? What did you guys not like abut them? Please let me kow so that when I am ready to post reviews I can be as objective as possible.

BTW, I think you have just appointed yourself as my Utopia Guide tutor...lol :)

[Danielle]

Oh no. JL has an apprentice.

Lawyer, I did not read your review so maybe I don't know what the hell I'm talking about in regards to your situation. But I was being honest in my opinions about posting reviews in general. Have you ever read restaurant critic's reviews? Even if a place gets a great rating the review almost always includes mention of some small detail that could use some improvement. Because almost anything (or anyone, in this case) can use improvement.

[justlooking]

I myself didn't have a big problem with them (but then, I don't read them very hard because I'm never anywhere near the Dish and so have no interest in going there).

(Also, I should add here that billyS is one of my favorite UG posters.)

But as a general matter, I agree with Danielle that when I see a review (of ANYTHING) that doesn't have a single negative comment in it, I get suspicious and discount the whole thing.

(Actually, "suspicious" isn't really the right word. Because it's not so much that I start thinking "shill" as that I start thinking, "this guy is so undiscriminating that I can't rely on his judgment.")

[Danielle]

Exactly. Kind of like how we value compliments from someone who rarely gives them out and is pretty critical more than from someone who always has something nice to say.

[Sinful7]

I read Lawyer101 post and he just used some words that most
people use a code pharse, he just need to be more creative
in the wording he use to descibe acts that took place, and he
reviewed Cream ( What can you say bad about her?)

As Just looking I toally agree, Billy writes so well because he is
a real sexual explorer, once that door close he a different
person. At the "dish" I think only Missy, Shy, and myself
knows him, because we been dealing with him for over a
year. And he keeps it real because he definitely will
tell you a what level sexualy a women is at remember the
girls in but on the B-List and how could we forget the
post about Loriean.

If anyone out there has been to Xdreams let me know
how you feel about it because I think we are one of the
few clubs in LI with all types of women from spanish
to Japeneses, and Mike is very particular about the
girls that he pick, girls come in all the time because the
heard about how good things are but if your not the
apple in his eye, your cut. If you noticed 80% of the
girls are the best looking for there type, the other 20%
are like the bench team, they fill in the void, and even they
have there own magic trick or they wouldn't be there.

[justlooking]

FWIW, I personally HATE code words. I think people should just say what happened in plain English.* And if you feel like you can't do that on a public board like this, well that's one more reason I personally don't post reviews.
_____________________________________________
* You gotta admit, 7: look how much of a lack of understanding there still is, among people who don't go to the Dish, about what really goes on there.

[Sinful7]

Okay, I didn't start the code thing, I hate to say it
but alot of people post in acroyms, that still freedom of
speech, and it is understandable if your down with the conversion
because many conversations be going down at once.
Plain english? ...english is anything but plain it is a combinations
of words that has be inherited from all over the world, that
combined into a language that adds and changes every year
the dictionary proves that.

*FWIW I am sorry explain this to me because it is not plain
english it an example of acroym. I have to admit alot of stuff
posted goes over my head beause I don't know all the acroyms.

Just Looking I feel like I am damned if I do am damned if I
don't if I talk about Xtremes than I promoting myself and poeple
don't like it, but I think your right since I paid for freedom of
speech on this baord I will for now on I give everyone the 411
on the "dish". Ask 7 and I'll tell you that at Xdreams extras
is a state of mind because we do everything except full
intercourse to get the job done. Mike is real cool about us
walking the thight rope, but he serious about staying on
your time he is a business owner the only thing he see
is that everytime that minute hand moves there money to
be made

[justlooking]

7, let me be clear about one thing: we've gone way beyond any past criticisms I've had about your using the board to promote yourself. As far as I'm concerned, you've proven yourself a valuable contributor and (as if you care) I look forward to conversing with you.

[justlooking]

"FWIW" = For what it's worth.

[justlooking]

I guess I misunderstood (or still don't understand) what you meant by "code phrases".

If by "code phrases" you meant, say, "CBJ" instead of "covered blow job," then of course I'm with you that they can be used (although there's no harm in not using them, either, and saying something like, "she insisted on using a condom when she gave me a blow job").

I guess I thought you meant that he came out and said things were done instead of using some unclear euphemism for it. If that's not what you meant, I apologize.

[lawyer101]

Justlooking,
The review thing is becoming a dead issue. I am very good at getting my point accross(hence my job), but you and Danielle don't seem to be getting it. You guys seem to think one way and I am thinking a different way. We need to call the discussion a stalemate and move onto the next topic....:)

BTW If you haven't been to "the dish" I would reccommend checking it out. You'd have a whole bunch of new girls to "kick your game" to.....lol

[justlooking]

Remember, neither of us ever saw your review, so that can't be what we're talking about . . . .

[Danielle]

Seven, I'm confused. Someone mentioned before that there weren't bj's there either, are you saying that there are?

[Thorn]

Originally posted by lawyer101
Justlooking,
The review thing is becoming a dead issue. I am very good at getting my point accross(hence my job)...

Is it fair to tell him JL?

Naw... I love irony too much to do that.

He'll figure it out for himeself.

[Danielle]

Originally posted by lawyer101
Justlooking,
The review thing is becoming a dead issue. I am very good at getting my point accross(hence my job), but you and Danielle don't seem to be getting it. You guys seem to think one way and I am thinking a different way. We need to call the discussion a stalemate and move onto the next topic....:)

BTW If you haven't been to "the dish" I would reccommend checking it out. You'd have a whole bunch of new girls to "kick your game" to.....lol

Somehow I doubt JL would have much interest in kicking his game to the dish girls. I hope noone takes that as an insult because I don't mean it that way.

[qb14]

Originally posted by billyS
But what happen to the other guys Like QB14, Matty Haze, Rickyoshay?

After all of the crap that got the other thread deleted, I haven't been around her much (I just discovered this thread today). I've also been extremely busy at work and haven't had much time for the "dish". So I really haven't had anything to contribute.

Someone earlier mentioned that there were never any bad "dish" reviews around here. Before the other thread was deleted, that just wan't true. There were lots of less than favorable reviews. If there weren't, there would be no such thing as an A-List because it wouldn't be necessary, it would include everyone.

I really need to make some time for myself to hit the dish one of these days, I'm starting to miss it.

[Sinful7]

Just Looking: I have alot to talk about, can't wait to tell
you about. I am still working on wording my theory on an
"Out Body Experience", because words are ambigous, and
people get what they want out of it; that why I am setting
thing up in Scientific Method for the Skeptics.
*Thanks for exampling the acroyms I was lost for a while
when I see them on the board it like reading another
language and your tring to make it out. I new to chatting
online, this is my first experience so the only thing I knew
was (LOL)

Danielle: There are no blow jobs at the "dish" but there
is alot of simulation, the guy has on a comdom and your
playing with his dick, of course you act like your sucking
it but if the head of his cock goes in your mouth, your
breaking the rules. Xdreams girls are the most creative
because our boss gives us alot of freedom, He make
us promise like a creed: freedom after clearance, cross
the line fuck or suck, than your out of luck.

[Sinful7]

But what happen to the other guys Like QB14, Matty Haze, Rickyoshay?


You know a few of them joined my website, I remember
them all, I all try to get in touch and let them know it is
on and popping on UG still. 7 real when you reach out to
me I don't turn my back. I am pretty sure they will be happy
to hear from me and I will let them know that they aren't
forgotten.

[rickoshay53]

Originally posted by billyS
But what happen to the other guys Like QB14, Matty Haze, Rickyoshay?
I'm still here. I've been busy so I'm more in lurk mode.
I still visit the "dish" occasionally when I can get out.

I wish that the other thread hadn't disppeared- I was using it for reference material before visits, to avoid wasted trips.
I'm looking forward to seeing the ladies, including the lovely Ms Seven, again real soon. Yeeehaaa

[lawyer101]

Originally posted by Danielle
Somehow I doubt JL would have much interest in kicking his game to the dish girls. I hope noone takes that as an insult because I don't mean it that way.

Danielle,
Why would you make a comment like that?
Do you think “the dish” girls are ugly or something?
Please elaborate for me a little more so that I know where
You are coming from.

[lawyer101]

Originally posted by Thorn
Is it fair to tell him JL?

Naw... I love irony too much to do that.

He'll figure it out for himeself.

Thorn,
You are brutal...lol

[Danielle]

Originally posted by lawyer101
Danielle,
Why would you make a comment like that?
Do you think “the dish” girls are ugly or something?
Please elaborate for me a little more so that I know where
You are coming from.

No, I don't think they're ugly. What I think is that JL prefers the almost unattainable girls who work at the more mainstream places. The dish girls are too available to the general public for his taste. (at least I think. I hope he doesn't get pissed that I'm sort of putting words in his mouth.)

[Danielle]

Originally posted by Sinful7
Just Looking: I have alot to talk about, can't wait to tell
you about. I am still working on wording my theory on an
"Out Body Experience", because words are ambigous, and
people get what they want out of it; that why I am setting
thing up in Scientific Method for the Skeptics.
*Thanks for exampling the acroyms I was lost for a while
when I see them on the board it like reading another
language and your tring to make it out. I new to chatting
online, this is my first experience so the only thing I knew
was (LOL)

Danielle: There are no blow jobs at the "dish" but there
is alot of simulation, the guy has on a comdom and your
playing with his dick, of course you act like your sucking
it but if the head of his cock goes in your mouth, your
breaking the rules. Xdreams girls are the most creative
because our boss gives us alot of freedom, He make
us promise like a creed: freedom after clearance, cross
the line fuck or suck, than your out of luck.

So, basically as soon as the snake is out of the trousers it gets covered with a condom and then played with either with the hands or the boobs only? Oh, wait, there's also the genital stimulation, right? How do you get a guy to cum from a covered hand job? Sounds like trying to eat a hamburger wrapped in plastic or something, takes away the whole appeal of it.

Also, you mentioned there are rules like no sucking or fucking, but how are these rules enforced if you're in a closed room alone with a guy? How does your boss even know what's going on in there, are there cameras?

[Sinful7]

Lucky I am answering this just to let you know that I am
watching ( No real time)

#1) ANY XDREAMS GIRL can compare to the girls in ANY city
establishment girls , most of us don't want to commute

#2) I spend years in the club dancing before I went to level
2 ***** me where you work and watch how a real sexual
entertainer makes money; without beef where everyone will
love me, Because desire runs through my blood and it
draws people to me. I can prove my word! I'll work at my
spot and yours and you will be on here discussing how Seven
taking my customers and bragging about how much money
she make stroking cock.

#3) The reason why I can make a man cum from a sexual
experience and you can't understand it is because, you
play like your sexual when your at work but I live this
SHIT. Anyone that has been with me will tell you that you
get nothing but the best from me 100%, can you say that
you do that with ALL your customers.

That MY WORD! Seven lives on........

[nycstripclubs]

Dayum Seven, you have no idea how much I'm looking forward to meeting you tomorrow.

Peace,
Valjean
nycstripclubs@yahoo.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nycstripclubs/

http://www.utopiaguide.com/agencies/nycstrip_2.gif (http://www.utopiaguide.com/coupons/asscon/)
The Champagne of Private Parties
“If it's better than this...you must be dreaming."

[billyS]

Originally posted by Sinful7
but I live this
SHIT. Anyone that has been with me will tell you that you
get nothing but the best from me 100%, can you say that
you do that with ALL your customers.


If the other thread was still up, it would bear witness to this statement. Seven is a sensual delight. Everyone from X-Dreams leaves the room smiling and hungry for more. Everyone wants to go to the next 'level' with her. Many call, few are Chosen

[lawyer101]

Originally posted by Sinful7
freedom after clearance, cross
the line fuck or suck, than your out of luck.

I love it....lol

[lawyer101]

Originally posted by Danielle
No, I don't think they're ugly. What I think is that JL prefers the almost unattainable girls who work at the more mainstream places. The dish girls are too available to the general public for his taste. (at least I think. I hope he doesn't get pissed that I'm sort of putting words in his mouth.)

Putting words in his mouth?
What happened JL, you don't strike me as being the
shy type.

[lawyer101]

Originally posted by Sinful7
I can prove my word! I'll work at my
spot and yours and you will be on here discussing how Seven
taking my customers and bragging about how much money
she make stroking cock.


Seven, this is why we all adore you...:)

A chick that looks like Seven and loves cock. What else
can a guy ask for?

[Danielle]

Seven, I hope I didn't say something to piss you off. You sound all angry! I don't think you and I could ever steal customers from one another because the two of us are as different as apples and oranges. Both lovely ladies with a different appeal.

[Sinful7]

Daniellr I wrote it like that because I was quick on time
and wanted it to be organized post.

But, all jokes aside Xdreams is one of the spots with the
pretties girls on the island alot of regular girls like to
were talking about come there to get a job and they
can't. Mike is very picky about the girls in uses and in
balances with all diffrent nationalities each shift.

As for as the comment with the club I just wanted to let
you know while I was dancing I worked in "upscale"
clubs all over the country. Almost everytime I go out of
state a do a day in the club that around.

You real can't steal anyone customers because they come
to the club and see you doesn't mean the next girl can't
temp his tummy with the taste of nuts and honey.

But, the real thing I want to know from you is that everyday
you go to work do you have 100% to all your customers.

I am sexualy creative, and to real get into what happens
in the Garden of SIN I guess I need to give you a further
understanding. Everygirl has there own thing that they do,
as for me I a Sexologist, I been doing this for years; you
have to get in to your customers head and bring desire out
in them for happy ending. I don't think you get the mental
attraction that me and my customers has that is the catalyst
for the physical release

Oh! and they cum cover use as when you have sex with a
comdom. I take it upon myself to buy the condom that say
they have "ultra feeling", so my customers get the best
of everthing. I don't just buy anything some are too thick
and makes the senation lessen, too much lube takes away
from it too. A water base lube is better that and oil base
and the rest is to your imgaination. How ever sexual creative
you can thing about being mutiply that by 7 and to you
had a happy ending in the Garden of SIN

[Sinful7]

Rushing posting before work, excuse typos above it
9:11am I going to be late if it don't get the fuck off
this computer.

Danielle will I see you at Ass-con?
I am going tonight after I leave Xdream, I am going to
take the train in.

[Thorn]

Originally posted by lawyer101
Thorn,
You are brutal...lol

So I've been told.

:)

[Sinful7]

Danielle,
Why very time I mention something you act
like there is negativity attached, I don't know you
or what you look like so how could you stir up any
negativity from me. (Pissed, mad, upset, fighting)
those are words and actions that rarely shown in my nature.
I don't let things get under my skin. I learned that from
working in the club, if I let bum bitches or stupid ass customers
get me upset that alters my mind state from making money
to emotionally twisted (unfocused). When I online I am focused
that means I am understanding in 3rd person (from the
outside looking in). You act like I am petty and write
my words in 1st someone in the mist (clouded) like I take
things personal. Let bring things to the light I am here to
study through conversation, I am an Independent Researcher
I have no opinoin, no emotion, just motive to find validation
in my Theory on : Sex as a Catalyst to an Out of Body Experience

You have encounter someone that is different from mannerism that your costumed to. That why your a skeptic in my theory,
ambigous in your post, and emotions govern your life, that why
you are quick to throw your words like pissed this way.

YOU WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND a chick as real as me

Anyone on this baord that know me, spend time with me, never
seen me in a negative state of mind or action, so please
don't refer to me in any manner of emotion toward me and you
like there is any conflict. I am here to study...and I am studing
you. "Women & Emotional Attachmant Toward Sex"

P.S. Thanks for contributing to the study that women are
emotional and that is why they don't understand how their
husbands moonlight without catching feeling for a trick.

Seven Master is going to moonlight at the ASS-Con now!

[billyS]

Seven, welcum to silver.

[lawyer101]

Originally posted by Danielle
Seven, I hope I didn't say something to piss you off. You sound all angry! I don't think you and I could ever steal customers from one another because the two of us are as different as apples and oranges. Both lovely ladies with a different appeal.

Danielle,
It seems to me that every chance you get to take a "cheap shot" at "the dish" girls, you do it. You need to understand that at "the dish", none of the girls offer full service or blow jobs. I can't count how many posts you asked the same question. Seven has answered you and you know this.

One more thing. I have noticed by the tone in your posts that you feel you are above "the dish" girls. You don't know any of them.
Many of them are in the same situation as you are. They are just doing this to pay for school. Other girls have different motives for
working at "the dish". I think you should stop passing judgement on them, as you to are also a stripper and are not any better then any of them. Remember "Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones."

Disclaimer: This is my observation and opinion only. Please do not take this as being offensive.

[lawyer101]

Originally posted by billyS
Seven, welcum to silver.

Ditto.

[Danielle]

Good Lord, you guys got me pegged all wrong. I am not looking for opportunities to take cheap shots at the dish girls, nor do I consider myself any better than they are. I certainly do not in any way. If I ask a lot of questions and offer my opinion on different topics of conversation about the dish it is purely out of curiousity for something that is somewhat foreign to me.

[Sinful7]

It is so ironic the I made SILVER today

Silver is the highest thermal and electrical conductivity of the metals, I think this descibes my mind state right now; hot and
racing and ready to transmit

The funny thing with metals are that they are generally good conductors of heat and electricity, and can be melted or fused
Tonight I moonlighted at the Ass-con spot (got there late like
10pm) In that little time I definitely seen a fusion between
the hustle of the lapdance from a stripper and the VIP of
a sexual entertainer with xtras as full service. Mind blowing.
Your in pits of Desire, it so thick that once you walk in it
a cloud of sexuality. If you ever wanted freedom that the
place for both sides the girl and guy, and the ill shit is that
everyone don't do everything, and there a bar with nake girls.
Getting guys off from level 2 while they are drunk takes alot
more creativity. The environment is not clean enough for my
taste to do level 3.

It 2:30am I will fill you guys in later,
Tomorrow Missy's Birthday we are all going to hang out
for the night; for you Missy lurkers (She is still watching)
I love being with Missy because she so sexualy open that
when we play in the garden, it like we are kids again free
to play with each other as we want.

[kclu74]

So how is Cassandra these days?

[lawyer101]

Originally posted by Sinful7
It 2:30am I will fill you guys in later,
Tomorrow Missy's Birthday we are all going to hang out
for the night; for you Missy lurkers (She is still watching)
I love being with Missy because she so sexualy open that
when we play in the garden, it like we are kids again free
to play with each other as we want.

Happy B-Day Missy...:)

Seven,
You're not going to invite us out for Missy's B-Day? hehehehe
I think we can all play and have fun together...:)

[lawyer101]

Originally posted by kclu74
So how is Cassandra these days?

Kclu,
Did you ever have a dance with Cassandra? Was it good? One time while I was in the waiting area at at “the dish” waiting to get a Sinful dance, Cassandra came out and we chatted.
I guess it was slow and she was bored. She was a total “diva” and had a great personality. I’ve been meaning to check her out, but because of my schedule I have not been able to. Let me know the "411" on her.

[Sinful7]

Cassandra is still doing the damn thing we just went out for
Amber Birthday on Saturday night, basically all the a Xdreams
girls Shy, Lexus, Glaze, Icyss I know I forgetting peole forgive me.

Missy birthday she and I went and stay the night in the city
together (very interesting girl play) Missy is fun to be with
because we are both on another sexual level with each
other like when I with some girls I feel like a vampire and
want to suck the life out of them until they cum all over me,
but Missy and I are at Zero Gravity. I feel really free with
her it is more like heated passion.

I have done double with Cassandra and she is so playful total
let me explore her body while we drove some guy crazy, She
so hot I had to spread her legs the guy lost it right there, put
I had to finish.

[billyS]

Lawyer boy, Cassandra is an Alist girl. She requires you treat her like a lady, she has a list of dislikes, but if you treat her right she is very hot. Too bad my review of her got lost when the old threads died. But I give her a thumbs up. She is a sweet heart.

[billyS]

Originally posted by Sinful7
we just went out for
Amber Birthday on Saturday night, basically all the a Xdreams
girls Shy, Lexus, Glaze, Icyss I know I forgetting peole forgive me.

Are we talking about Icyss from Stonheadge?
Originally posted by Sinful7

Missy birthday she and I went and stay the night in the city
together (very interesting girl play) Missy is fun to be with
because we are both on another sexual level with each
other like when I with some girls I feel like a vampire and
want to suck the life out of them until they cum all over me,
but Missy and I are at Zero Gravity. I feel really free with
her it is more like heated passion.
Which reminds me I have a few ideas the next time I do a double with you two.

[lawyer101]

Originally posted by billyS
Lawyer boy, Cassandra is an Alist girl. She requires you treat her like a lady, she has a list of dislikes, but if you treat her right she is very hot. Too bad my review of her got lost when the old threads died. But I give her a thumbs up. She is a sweet heart.

Billy,
What are her dislikes?
She seemed cool to me the day that we spoke.

[lawyer101]

Originally posted by Sinful7
Cassandra is still doing the damn thing we just went out for
Amber Birthday on Saturday night, basically all the a Xdreams
girls Shy, Lexus, Glaze, Icyss I know I forgetting peole forgive me.

Missy birthday she and I went and stay the night in the city
together (very interesting girl play) Missy is fun to be with
because we are both on another sexual level with each
other like when I with some girls I feel like a vampire and
want to suck the life out of them until they cum all over me,
but Missy and I are at Zero Gravity. I feel really free with
her it is more like heated passion.

I have done double with Cassandra and she is so playful total
let me explore her body while we drove some guy crazy, She
so hot I had to spread her legs the guy lost it right there, put
I had to finish.

Seven,

Did you "hook up" with Cassandra?
Post a review for us....lol

[billyS]

Originally posted by lawyer101
Billy,
What are her dislikes?
She seemed cool to me the day that we spoke.
She hates guys who walk in and expect to get H/R for $20. She hates guys who walk in and whip out their dicks and say 'Here jerk me off bitch.' She hate guys who in general think just because she is there she is expected to habndle their dick no matter how they act. I think she is really cute and she was really sweet to me. I'd like to watch Seven eat her out.

[Sinful7]

Cassandra is what we call high maintaince when you get into
her room like billy said above basically her customer treat
her in a classy manner because she looks like a little women.
All I would say to make a good impression walk in with 50 for
a single (with her the better the tip the better the show).
50 gets the boat rocking alittle more will take you out to sea.
I believe she lets you play with her breast as for as down
below you might have to pay a toll, but she a man pleaser.

Okay, yes it true I played with the little man in the boat
and swobed the deck. While we was out we did some dirty
dancing on the dance floor all the girls; guys around us trying
there hardest to be down, but we dance for guys for a living
so we just wanted to play with each other.

Oh! Icyss from Stonehedge was there she fucking crazy, in
the limo she warps her legs over her shoulders while her head
was facing down toward the floor (get the picture)

So much shit happend and we was so fucked up that it was
like the best girl world party I ever been too. And my
job is to party so that saying alot.

Billy you know that me and Missy is crazy, I bought her
a sex swing for her Birthday couldn't put it up in the hotel
so we pulled out the strap on, and I conqurered Penis envy.

[lawyer101]

Originally posted by billyS
She hates guys who walk in and expect to get H/R for $20. She hates guys who walk in and whip out their dicks and say 'Here jerk me off bitch.' She hate guys who in general think just because she is there she is expected to habndle their dick no matter how they act. I think she is really cute and she was really sweet to me. I'd like to watch Seven eat her out.

Do guys really go to “the dish” with that type of attitude? I have always respected the girls(right Seven?:)), so I don’t think I should have a problem with her. I’ll try to go and see her and post a review.

I think I’d rather watch Seven eat Cream out…:)
God, would that be hot. I don’t know if I would be able to handle it.

[lawyer101]

Cassandra is “high maintenance”? Oh no, I already have that at home..:) That is not what I want…lol

I love it when a girl can wrap her legs over her shoulders. Last summer, we had a girl like that in our “Hampton’s House”. Whenever she was “hammered” out of her mind she would get on the floor and assume that position with a big "fuck me" smile. She could even wrap one of her legs over her shoulder while still standing up(leaning on the other leg). We all called her “bunny” because when her legs where over her shoulders she looked like a bunny rabbit with her legs acting as the ears…:) This chick was hot and loved to fuck. This summer she didn’t want to buy a share in the house because she has a boyfriend. That was a bummer…:(

[Sinful7]

I don't mean high maintance in the since of attuditude, I mean
she make sure to take care very piece of her body you will
never catch Cassandra with a hair out of place, I haven't
been with Cream in a while, I wouldn't mind see what we could
do with the new toy Billy said she holding (wonder if it is a
double hitter)

[lawyer101]

Seven,
Did I miss something?..:)
What new toy did Billy say she was holding?

[Sinful7]

I think it was Billy the started a thread once about Cream and
her toy and about how she played with dildos and with guys in the room. So the double side dildos, was what I was talking about playing with (Imagine she is on one end and I am on the other she talking that nasty girl talk, with both of our hot clits
slapping each other, and our hands all over your body
total cock attention all the way around)

[*********]

Originally posted by Sinful7
I think it was Billy the started a thread once about Cream and
her toy and about how she played with dildos and with guys in the room. So the double side dildos, was what I was talking about playing with (Imagine she is on one end and I am on the other she talking that nasty girl talk, with both of our hot clits
slapping each other, and our hands all over your body
total cock attention all the way around)

Oh my my!

[Sinful7]

I need an appointment with you so I can conqurer my
Penis Envy! (LOL)

[lawyer101]

Originally posted by Sinful7
I think it was Billy the started a thread once about Cream and
her toy and about how she played with dildos and with guys in the room. So the double side dildos, was what I was talking about playing with (Imagine she is on one end and I am on the other she talking that nasty girl talk, with both of our hot clits
slapping each other, and our hands all over your body
total cock attention all the way around)

Holy Good God! That would be fantastic. I need to do a double with you guys ASAP. The thought of you and Cream and a double dildo is making my head “spin”. The last dance
That I had with Cream she was giving me some ideas of some things that we could try in a double…:) When we do this, we are all going to have a fun time..:)

[Sinful7]

I will ***** you when we work together. That if you really
think your ready for the ultimate "Out of Body Experience"

[Sinful7]

I would like to Thank all the people that came to the Garden
and in indulged in your sexuality. All the flowers are blooming
and new ones pop up everday day. So each time you enter
I have something new for you. Lately we have been licking
the nectar from the sweet fruit of the land. The sun is always
shining in the Garden and you will feel the heat of Desire,
Leave with a release that will have you feeling stress free.

[Sinful7]

I just want to let everyone know now that video and reasearch
is being uploaded into my website. Membership has been
suspended until tech team is finish but you still can enter as
a guest.

**I found that people running on windows 98 are having
problems bringing up video, if you have any problems *****
through classified and let me know so while I paying these
people to do this for me they can fix minor problems at the
same time.

As for all the people that sent the request to my website each
person will get a personal video message from me so watch
your *****

[billyS]

Originally posted by Sinful7
As for all the people that sent the request to my website each
person will get a personal video message from me so watch
your *****
How cool is that !

[Sinful7]

I am always up on the new shit, I was going to send out an
automated ***** but the team was like do it in video put
the stuff you bought to work. I think it will be phat a little
video message and a little sample of Sinful "7", I think that
will make people happy. I just have to seperate the request
per person and edit a video message to met their needs.

[Cookyman]

I'm waiting for mine

[billyS]

Originally posted by Cookyman
I'm waiting for mine
I guess you need to get her those cookies you promised her (LOL).

[Cookyman]

I had to bake fresh ones 4 times already.
Very hard to hook up with her this past week

[Sinful7]

This week was off the Hook for "7"! It started with getting
ready for Hot 97 Summer Jam 10 (8th row on the floor tickets)
it rained but our seats was so good we stuck it out I went
with 3 of my Girlfriends. The only bad thing I had on silk
carpi pants with the little draw strings and they was beige
so when the rain got on my pants I looked like you could see
straight through my pants. I was naked under my clothes:)
....and it ended on Sunday with the PR Parade and the Black
Expo everything between was kicking for the beginning of a
rainy summer. You know me a little rain isn't going to stop
my shine. OH! Wait until you see that video, I had my
camcorder the whole week. Next week I should go to that
club Se7en out east, I have to make a call and see when it
poppin' and reserve VIP!

Sometimes you have to just live up the monent "7"

[Sinful7]

"7" going to NYC to see what happening at Ass-con on
Wednesday, I'll see you naked in the Garden of Sin

[Cookyman]

How about laying in the sun in my backyard so I can indulge in the "Garden Of Sin"

[Sinful7]

Only if you feed me grapes and fan me while I lay out naked

[pswope]

Originally posted by Sinful7
Only if you feed me grapes and fan me while I lay out naked

With this post you just closed your first delivery.


(playa playa)

[Sinful7]

I was thinking about doing this 3 days a week, and get my
friends in on it. I want to teast run it next week. So if anyone
has 15 minutes free to Indulge in sexual exploration, Holla
at your girl "7". I am listed in NY Classifieds in UG.

[lawyer101]

Seven,
I have 30 miutes to indulge in sexual explortion. Keep me informed..:)

[Sinful7]

You know that if you ***** me I will get you in the loop
to take a summer joyride with Sinful "7" Masters

[Sinful7]

I am chilling online in the Van and decided to drop a line.
I was reasearching the human sexual drive when temps raises,
and I was reading about cultures around the world that
hasn't progressed with modern technology. It just doesn't
seem really that people live in the jungles and still reamain
untouched by the civilized world, and I am having conversations
with people all over the world on the daily. Anyway check this
out in cultures where they live in the nude with leaves wrapped
around the bare essentials, rarely have rap cases, and here
we are in the USA covered in clothing and the rap statics are
unbelieveable. I guess that this brings a whole new out look
to manifestation of Desire. Desire is precieved through the mind
but it is stimulated from a physical response.