WOOING YOUR PROVIDER

[Ozzy]

or should i say wooing mr "?" over to post. i know this will be a tough thread for him to ignore.

ok i'll fill in my triumphs later, but how about a few good stories to warm me up with. what is the most unusual or costly thing you've done to impress a provider?

[One Eyed Trouser Trout]

Had a total make over to look like Guy Catelli

Didn't work tho, cuz the girls said I didn't have a kiss ass attitude

[guy catelli]

i'd really like to share what i've learned about the finer points of female posterior osculation.

but, the problem is that i am very shy. and, i'm afraid that MW and the other macho men here will tease me if i reveal that i have a weakness for women.

what's your advice, Ozzy?

[Edited by guy catelli on 01-25-2001 at 01:57 PM]

[frog]

Perhaps this can be taken to private email between ozzy and gc...

[guy catelli]

Originally posted by frog
Perhaps this can be taken to private email between ozzy and gc...

Ozzy and i aren't the only Romantics out there. there's a very broad spectrum of clients -- and Romantics are a not insignificant portion of that spectrum.

a thread has just started on "Coffee Spillage" (by which it seems that 'cream sprayage' is what is actually meant). personally, i really, really *don't* want to know this about an escort. ergo, i'm just going to ignore the thread.

some of us are paying for 'this', some of us want 'that', and some us want the 'combo special'. now, i'm sure we've all had the experience of seeing, or even knowing, a beautiful civilian woman that we wanted to woo, but could not, because she would call the police or something.

this thing of ours affords the opportunity to engage in many different practices normally not allowed in civilian life. wooing an escort is one of them.

[One Eyed Trouser Trout]

Seems to me that there is a certain amt of denial here....why think you gotta woo a provider?

My lines have never been as important as my wallet and willingness to throw money around.

We're talking about prostitution here....no magic, no romance, no pretense.

It's the horizontal mamba, hollywood acting for hardearned greenbacks.

[Rufus Moses]

I'm sure we've all had the experience of seeing, or even knowing, a beautiful civilian woman that we wanted to woo, but could not, because she would call the police or something.

those pesky restraining orders are sooooo un-romantic!

[Ozzy]

GC,
Wooing is Wooing, it's not about being romantic. ;)

[guy catelli]

Originally posted by Ozzy
GC,
Wooing is Wooing, it's not about being romantic. ;)

ah -- i misunderstood. so, what then is 'wooing', and how does it differ from Romanticism?

[One Eyed Trouser Trout]

Wooing is added motion.

Take a shower, comb your hair, brush your teeth, apply deodorant, wear clean clothes and stop at the ATM.

It's not brain surgery we're talking about here

[guy catelli]

Originally posted by One Eyed Trouser Trout
Wooing is added motion......

ah, so if there's no "no magic, no romance,.....[just bodies in] motion", then there's no point in getting a BJ from a beautiful and charming woman, since obviously, whatever it is he charges, Ozzy would cost much less.

gosh, 1itt, you must be saving a fortune over the high cost of female escorts!

[One Eyed Trouser Trout]

GC

I didn't say I'm unpleasant with the ladies. But, spending undo time 'wooing' is wasted efforts.

And to date, I've never been turned down by anybody I wanted to screw.

I'd actually be interested in seeing information about your provider horizontal activities and less verbage about your philosophy.

[dicer5]

instead of looking at it like wooing a provider; i always thought i was being wooed by the provider and if so, i was having a great time

[Ozzy]

GC, first i have to know.......

in the heat of passion, do you find a little hair pulling to be romantic. nothing hard, just a little tug to get her attention.

[Ash]

Guy-

You state that you are going to ignore the "coffee spill" thread because you don't want to know that about a provider. These women aren't librarians, they are sex workers. Threads such as these are bound to be the topic at hand on a sex board.

You want to woo providers because you can't woo normal women or they'll call the cops on you. I've personally never had this problem, but then again I've got no clue what you look like. Wooing a provider is for the most part a pointless act. The end result is going to be the same, whether you woo or not. Yet the beauty of seeing a provider is if you want pay to spill the cream, you can do that. If you want to pay to sit and woo her the whole time like you do, thats possible too. You have the right to spend your money the way you want to. Yet so do others, others who don't subscribe to the philosophy of romancing a prostitute. For the most part customers don't want to date prostitutes or romance them like you do, they just want sex that they aren't getting elsewhere without strings.

But one must always remember, that you're not dating these women. Your wooing can only go as far as your paycheck can take you. The only reason providers flirt with you on *** Guy is because they know exactly the role you want them to play, and the reason they play it is because you have one thing, not intelligence, not wit, not a sense of romance, but a wallet full of money. You're probably much better off romancing a normal woman where your wooing will actually mean something other than a new car or apartment payments.

[guy catelli]

Originally posted by One Eyed Trouser Trout
GC...
I'd actually be interested in seeing information about your provider horizontal activities and less verbage about your philosophy.

my postings are directed to escorts and clients who have a certain degree of maturity. sorry.

[One Eyed Trouser Trout]

B][/QUOTE]

my postings are directed to escorts and clients who have a certain degree of maturity. sorry. [/B][/QUOTE]


How about then, Guy, you just give us several names of prostitutes you've been with and we'll verify if you've ever had sex with them.

Seems to me you ought to put up or shut up. You're act on other boards (***, JAG, ) became boorish there as well.

Maturity, my friend, isn't trying to impress people with a vocabulary...it's about being real, about being honest.

[pswope]

The problem with this thread is that there is no common understanding of wooing. As such this discusson cannot effectively address the issue of appropriate non-sexual interaction between sex workers and Johns.
Ash
Strictly,from my experience,I disagree with your statement that the result will be the same,whether you woo or not. While I clearly and always recognize that these are commercial relatonships,there is a fairly broad continuum of responses that a john can evoke from a sex worker. These responses,in turn can greatly impact the quality of the session a john receives. You can argue that it shouldn't be that way,but it is.

The cues that predicate sex worker responses vary but include physical attracton(or lack of repulsion),hygeine,ability to establish a rapport(within acceptable parameters of a commercial sex transaction),and sexual ability.
If wooing implies engaging in behavior more appropriate to a non-commercial relationship,then imo,it is counterproductive because it suggests that the john fails to understand the true nature of the relationship,to wit: a business transaction.OTOH,if so-called wooing helps establish rapport,then it helps pomote a better session. The key is making sure that the lady understnads that you understnad that this is a transaction.
a side note- I find it troubling that certain parties are criticized in abstentia and more importantly have their attitudes towards sex workers distorted.
No reasonable John would disagree that sex workers have the right to be treated with respect unless they forfeit that by their own wrongful conduct.
The issue is regarding sex worker/John relationships for what they truly are,transactons and establishing honest,respectful,yet realistic parameters for behaviour.

[guy catelli]

Originally posted by One Eyed Trouser Trout
B]
How about then, Guy, you just give us several names of prostitutes you've been with and we'll verify if you've ever had sex with them. [/QUOTE]

people who have followed my reviews from the beginning have no doubt about my bona fide as a client. no less a personage than Julie of NYC publicly acknowledged my (unapologetically) 'ass-kissing' review of her, which, by the way, left nothing to the imagination.

i stopped going into details about specific escorts when i realized how many boors like you read these boards.

if you don't like perspectives about this thing of ours that go beyond "does she do facials", don't read my posts.

it's simple.

[Ozzy]

Originally posted by pswope

While I clearly and always recognize that these are commercial relatonships,there is a fairly broad continuum of responses that a john can evoke from a sex worker. These responses,in turn can greatly impact the quality of the session a john receives. You can argue that it shouldn't be that way,but it is.



PS, you've quickly replaced "?" as my voice of reason(since he's not here). i should have quoted the whole post but this part says enough.

exactly what i've been saying all along.

ps to ash,
"These women aren't librarians, they are sex workers"

very true, but they're still woman and can be turned on or off just as easily as "normal woman"

it takes no more time out of a session to "woo" a bit and can pay great dividends.

[Ash]

I don't classify taking a shower, wearing clean clothes, using Right Guard, and brushing your teeth as wooing. I call it a daily routine.

[Ash]

Ozzy-

You and I have constantly discussed this topic and have always had different opinions on it. My problem isn't so much the "wooing" but the purpose of the wooing. While you may use "wooing" to increase millage, some don't know how to make the distinction between that and wooing with the motive to "date" the provider or romance her. While their may be different types of wooing, the facet that is commonly found on *** in which comparisons are made between a girl and a car or caviar, or refering to the girl as your princess and hoping that she will ride back to your castle in the near future is quite comical.

[pswope]

Yes. The point is that a John can treat a sex worker in a certain fashion and by doing so will increase his chances of having a better session(this is a notion implicit in the lamentable term ymmv). And while hygeine really doesn't fit into wooing because many Johns apparently fail to engage in good habits,it becomes a factor in the quality of the session.
Where it crosses the line is where Johns lose sight of the fact that...they're Johns and develop of mindset that somehow there is sometype of connection ,in a non-commercial sense,with the sex worker. While this may happen on a rare occasion,most johns,who think they're establishing some type of intimate connection,are deluding themselves. Unfortunately,some ladies promote this type of delusion ,as a marketing device,in posts and in emails.

[guy catelli]

Originally posted by Ozzy
GC, first i have to know.......

in the heat of passion, do you find a little hair pulling to be romantic. nothing hard, just a little tug to get her attention.

let me give you an example of what i mean by 'Romanticism'.

i once belonged to a service organization that was holding its annual dance in a church basement. i went to this dance, and, when i got there, i made a beeline for a really nice blonde number, not much more than half my age at that time.

she was a slim upper middle class WASP -- you know the type. but, instead of politely brushing me off as i had expected, she continued to play verbal lawn tennis with me.

eventually, we wound up leaving together, supposedly so that i could see her home safely, where her boyfriend was waiting up for her to return from this (members only) dance.

as we were riding the IRT back to their place in crooklyn heights, she started to open up to me. although she was starting to get work as a model, she had been bringing in some really serious money as a high-end escort. she loved it. she loved sex, and she loved the fact that men found her so desirable that they were willing to part with big money just to 'do' her. in fact, her boyfriend had originally been one of her clients.

now i realized why she hadn't brushed me off -- she had sensed that i was a kindred spirit. suddenly, we kissed each other's lips tenderly, but sensuously. then she said, "too bad this is a subway car." i replied, "no problem".

i led her to the back of the subway car (it was late at night and we were the only ones in the car). with a single sharp stomp of the foot, the door to the conductor's booth swung open (this was one of the old red cars). she went into the booth, and i locked the door behind us. she bent over and thrust her ass up like a bitch in heat, and i mounted her and started humping away.

it was an express train, and as we passed a local station, there was a drunk on the platform that could see us as we whizzed by. i'll bet he started to think that maybe he should change brands.

as the train started to slow down, i dumped my load. (she was very pleased with herself, because her intuition about me had been confirmed. ;))

we walked from the station to her place (which was actually her boyfriend's). it was a really nice spring night, which felt very Romantic, so we went into a driveway between two of the nice homes, and again the bitch bent over so that we could hump like two dogs in an alley. like they say, there's nothing like a second cup of coffee.

when we finally got to their place, needless to say, i didn't wait for her boyfriend to come to the door so that we could shake hands. (Oz, the guy was an assistant u.s. attorney! {rofl})

anyway, Oz, different people have different definitions of 'Romantic'. that's mine.



[Edited by guy catelli on 02-11-2001 at 11:57 AM]

[justme]

Best GC post ever - not because of the graphical nature, but because I think it made it very clear what you were trying to say. (Unlike others, I have enjoyed several GC posts...)

[Ozzy]

you fuckin dog you!

i knew i could corrupt you.

[justme]

And (too add), it did it in the spirit of comraderie, not contention or condescention.

[frog]

Way to go gc, but a poor review since there is no contact number/email.

imo, largely, wooing your provider is a game. That is it. A game where, ideally, both the provider and the trick know the rules. The guy knows that he doesn't really mean it but it helps his fantasy as well as gives better mileage; and the provider, though she appreciates the effort and may respond positively in many ways, knows that this is still a business transaction. Of course, some people, mostly johns, get flagged for a variety of penalties.

I am not including being clean and courteous etc in wooing your provider. That is being civilized. Only extras, like perhaps a bottle of wine or flowers or christmas trees, belong in wooing.

[Ozzy]

hey, the Xmas tree was not wooing.

a trip to italy......now thats wooing.



both cases had nothing to do with a provider/client relationship, just so the facts are straight.

[One Eyed Trouser Trout]

[/B][/QUOTE]
she bent over and thrust her ass up like a bitch in heat, and i mounted her and started humping away. [/B][/QUOTE]


Better

[jmcurry]

I am not certain that "wooing" is the correct term, although we could debate the semiotics of that word endlessly. Nonetheless, I do believe that a john can "court" or "woo" a provider in this "hooby", out of total sincerity. It is possible, after all, to care deeply about someone whom you have visited. Believe me, I speak from personal experience. I have "wooed" an escort, not due to her skills, but because her personality, perspective on life, and general state of being is similar to mine. I am as comfortable taking her out for drinks and dinner as I am spending private time with her. I am not at all certain that she feels the same way, but that is largely immaterial. There is a constant dialectic at work in the relationship between "providers" and "hobbyists". In no way can that nexus be reduced to a simplistic equation.

[guy catelli]

Originally posted by Ash
Guy-

You state that you are going to ignore the "coffee spill" thread because you don't want to know that about a provider. These women aren't librarians, they are sex workers. Threads such as these are bound to be the topic at hand on a sex board.

Ash, it's good to hear from you again. (btw, you never did tell me if you are a tarheel.)

since you are obviously an intelligent person i'm going to say something to you that i would not say to most of the others about whom this is true, because they might be more defensive about it than i think you would be.

that is, i have never seen more nonsequitors in all my life before coming to asp boards.

i know escorts are not (ususally) librarians {which is precisely my point that treating escorts like a lady is much more likely to produce a big return on investment -- unlike with the average librarian}.

and, i know facials are likely to be discussed on an asp board. my point in saying i wouldn't read them is that those who are similarly adverse to fluffballs, wooing, etc, might just as easily not read that.

You want to woo providers because you can't woo normal women or they'll call the cops on you.

i want to woo them for the same reason i want to hump them: i enjoy doing it.

I've personally never had this problem, but then again I've got no clue what you look like.

let's put it this way: Ozzy is Lenny Dicaprio compared to me ;-)

Wooing a provider is for the most part a pointless act.
The end result is going to be the same, whether you woo or not. Yet the beauty of seeing a provider is if you want pay to spill the cream, you can do that. If you want to pay to sit and woo her the whole time like you do, thats possible too. You have the right to spend your money the way you want to. Yet so do others, others who don't subscribe to the philosophy of romancing a prostitute. For the most part customers don't want to date prostitutes or romance them like you do, they just want sex that they aren't getting elsewhere without strings.

we're in total agreement on this, Ash. but (and this doesn't apply to you, because i haven't known you long enough to know), that doesn't explain why there is such incredble hostility to those who woo. on my first asp board, a guy spent 6 months heaping contempt on me for bringing an escort a $10 bunch of roses.

another expressed only contempt for clients who woo providers. i show up here and the first thing someone says is: "no ass-kissing reviews". sheesh!

very simply, the view has been repeatedly expressed that treating escorts like a "normal woman" (as Ozzy perfectly put it) changes the balance of power in ways that the more utilitarian clients find threatening. what are you guys so afraid of that you have to endlessly attack Romantics?

But one must always remember, that you're not dating these women.

"ain't nobody's business if i do..." http://users.bart.nl/~ecduzit/billy/pict/page1/pict11.html

Your wooing can only go as far as your paycheck can take you.

with all due respect, that's really not anyone else's call but hers.

The only reason providers flirt with you on *** Guy is because they know exactly the role you want them to play, and the reason they play it is because you have one thing, not intelligence, not wit, not a sense of romance, but a wallet full of money.

the truth is that they flirt with me because i am even more wonderful than MW.

You're probably much better off romancing a normal woman ...

if i wanted to woo the girl-next-door type, i would go next door.

where your wooing will actually mean something other than a new car or apartment payments.

i'm glad you brought this up, Ash. this is one of the great ironies of the whole Romantic/anti-Romantic debate. about the only thing i have read *both* sides agree on is that the net-net-net of it all is that the total cost decreases as one moves down this list:

1. wife
2. girlfriend
3. mistress
4. escort

you get the most quality time for the least money with escorts. so, if your focus is on the financial angle, then escorts deserve the most wooing, not the least.

but, i'm always happy to continuing dialoging with a gentleman, like yourself.



[Edited by guy catelli on 02-10-2001 at 06:42 AM]

[Ozzy]

my list looks more like this


1 escorts
2 strippers
3 mistress
4 girlfriends

there's no 5

[Ozzy]

oh, and thank god you didn't say "Leo".


Lenny's actually his good looking brother

[Edited by Ozzy on 01-26-2001 at 07:58 PM]

[guy catelli]

Originally posted by jmcurry
I am not certain that "wooing" is the correct term, although we could debate the semiotics of that word endlessly. Nonetheless, I do believe that a john can "court" or "woo" a provider in this "hooby", out of total sincerity. It is possible, after all, to care deeply about someone whom you have visited. Believe me, I speak from personal experience. I have "wooed" an escort, not due to her skills, but because her personality, perspective on life, and general state of being is similar to mine. I am as comfortable taking her out for drinks and dinner as I am spending private time with her. I am not at all certain that she feels the same way, but that is largely immaterial. There is a constant dialectic at work in the relationship between "providers" and "hobbyists". In no way can that nexus be reduced to a simplistic equation.

this is so true, jmcurry. there are different clients and different escorts. everyone is somewhat concerned about money, but almost no one is *only* concerned about moeny. the way a man and a woman relate to each depends on a lot of variables. sex and money are the most important two. but, they're not the *only* two.

this is really so simple that i am curious about what is blocking so many otherwise intelligent people from acknowledging to themselves what is merely a matter of common sense.

[guy catelli]

Originally posted by justme
And (too add), it did it in the spirit of comraderie, not contention or condescention.

isn't he an 'angel'?

[guy catelli]

Oz, what are you getting your favorite providers for St. Valentine's Day?

[Phantom]

GC,

Would you care to know what I bought the last provider I saw?

[guy catelli]

Originally posted by Phantom
GC,

Would you care to know what I bought the last provider I saw?

ok, what did you buy Ozzy?

[Phantom]

I will most likely take allot of heat for this, but I bought her this outfit which consisted of a pair of lambskin pants, a lambskin jacket and a cashmere sweater. And it definitely wasn't Ozzy.

For my favorite provider for St. Valentines day I will make her favorite dessert, a flourless chocolate cake with raspberry sauce.




[Edited by Phantom on 02-08-2001 at 04:18 PM]

[guy catelli]

Originally posted by Phantom
I will most likely take allot of heat for this, but I bought her this outfit which consisted of a pair of lambskin pants, a lambskin jacket and a cashmere sweater. And it definitely wasn't Ozzy.

For my favorite provider for St. Valentines day I will make her favorite dessert, a flourless chocolate cake with raspberry sauce.
[Edited by Phantom on 02-08-2001 at 04:18 PM]

nice.

[Ozzy]

Phantom,
someone is wearing lots of leather these days........


GC, nothing.........you gotta draw a line somewhere.

[HornDogBuddah]

I've avoided weighing in on this topic until now. It seems to me that there are two extremes to this issue. At one pole is the client who is aloof, impersonal, unsympathetic, unempathetic -- he shows up (let's allow him to be clean, neat, undiseased, etc.) and says, here's my money, here's my dick, why don't you start sucking it? (Sorry to be so graphic, but it illustrates the point.) At the other end of the scale is the fellow who brings presents to the provider. These can range from flowers, to poems, to candy, to flourless chocolate cakes with raspberry sauce (a little passe, if you go by what the hot chefs are now doing, but what the hell, it's more than 99% of us could do), to SL 500s and country villas. Does the gift giver get different service from the first guy? I certainly hope so. Is it proportional to the cost of the gift? Probably. (Don't tell me that flowers evoke the same response as a car.)

But what's the point? If you offer a lot more $$$ than her normal fee, don't you think that she will act differently towards you? Has anyone tried this? What do you think would happen if you booked two hours with a $400/hr girl and told her you would give her $1500 for those two hours? Would she tell you no? Or would she rev up her imagination and her skills in order to get you to return again and again?

Wooing your provider seems fairly silly and self-delusional. The only time it would have meaning is when she is actually not in the providing game for the money but is looking for a true lover/soul mate. And if you think that is where she's at, then I guess you really should bring her gifts because if you don't, how will she know that you're the ONE?

[Edited by HornDogBuddah on 02-08-2001 at 06:35 PM]

[Ozzy]

i always tip at the end which is usualy when i pay.....so the girl never knows what i'm going to give. obviously when i see a girl for later dates it might figure into it but on some of those latter sessions i've had the girl decline more $$(a tip) so sometimes the extra $$ don't make a difference....it's rare but it happens.

[guy catelli]

Originally posted by HornDogBuddah:

i've been meaning to mention that you have an interesting screen name. i've heard of the laughing Buddha, but, until now, not the horny dog Buddha. but, hey, why not!

I've avoided weighing in on this topic until now. It seems to me that there are two extremes to this issue.

well, i, for one, would like to go on the record and say that i'm a moderate in all things. it only seems otherwise when i'm debating with extremists, like justme and wsb.

At one pole is the client who is aloof, impersonal, unsympathetic, unempathetic -- he shows up (let's allow him to be clean, neat, undiseased, etc.) and says, here's my money, here's my dick, why don't you start sucking it? (Sorry to be so graphic, but it illustrates the point.)

no need to apologize. you have described justme and wsb to a 't', as they demonstrated in the "how much caffeine ..." thread. however, i believe that they are never crude or even impolite when with a lady. but, it's clear from their postings that you have accurately described the mindset with which they approach this thing of ours.

At the other end of the scale is the fellow who brings presents to the provider. These can range from flowers, to poems, to candy, to flourless chocolate cakes with raspberry sauce (a little passe, if you go by what the hot chefs are now doing, but what the hell, it's more than 99% of us could do), to SL 500s and country villas. Does the gift giver get different service from the first guy? I certainly hope so.

look, this is really not so complicated. i have a cousin whose father remarried and basically forgot the rest of us existed. in anticipation of one upcoming holiday, she informed the rest of the family that it would be pointless to give him a gift, because he would not be reciprocating. i pointed out to her that THE JOY IS IN THE GIVING. (fast forward to this holiday just past: she announced that she did not want to exchange any gifts, because she did not want to exchange gifts with her husband's family, and therefore [who the eff knows ;))

Is it proportional to the cost of the gift? Probably. (Don't tell me that flowers evoke the same response as a car.)

no way would i say otherwise. but, funny thing is, there was a thread on *** sometime back, in which a number of escorts said they really don't like gifts that are too expensive -- because to accept them would imply they were available for a level of commitment that was not in the cards.

i then outlined what i typically do, and the moaner and groaner that had started the thread said it was perfect, or something like that.

But what's the point? If you offer a lot more $$$ than her normal fee, don't you think that she will act differently towards you? Has anyone tried this? What do you think would happen if you booked two hours with a $400/hr girl and told her you would give her $1500 for those two hours? Would she tell you no? Or would she rev up her imagination and her skills in order to get you to return again and again?

i haven't heard anybody denying that.

Wooing your provider seems fairly silly and self-delusional.

well, being an avid fan of Andrea Bocelli singing opera arias seems silly and self-delusional to me. and, i have a civilian female friend, with a much better ear for music than i, who loves Bocelli but can find every single fault in Pavorotti's breathing (i suspect because Pav is a notorious lech ;)). but, i'm not going to heap contempt on her (same with a woman i know that has 19 cats (she's not really sure how many, actually)).

but, if you go to alt.music.opera on deja.com, and do a search for 'Bocelli', you'll find that every time a Bocelli fan says anything nice about Bocelli, a gang of opera fanatics descend and start flaming with obscene bile. these threads can and do run to 100's of postings.

*i* can't see the point of *that*. what is it about certain people that motivates them to rain on someone else's picnic, not with a drop or two, but with a steady stream of criticism that never ends. why can't they just ignore the Bocelli fans like more emotionally mature posters do?

another poster (here) made mention of how bitter and angry the jag crowd is about UG. unfortunately, i *can* see why the utilitarians are so hard on the 'diplomats', if that is a less controversial term. obviously, they don't want the escorts to get 'uppity' -- not to mention the sour grapes charge because some can enjoy wine that they cannot.

The only time it would have meaning is when she is actually not in the providing game for the money but is looking for a true lover/soul mate. And if you think that is where she's at, then I guess you really should bring her gifts because if you don't, how will she know that you're the ONE?

the only time it would have meaning for *you*. the Grateful Dead don't have meaning for *me*. neither do Seinfeld or Garth Brooks or Britney or Christina. so what? i have no desire to publicly ridicule those for whom these pop icons do have meaning.

if sports fans cheer for certain players, their salaries go up and so do ticket prices to sporting events. same with fans of movie stars. what do we do about it -- launch a crusade against people being fans?

[Edited by guy catelli on 02-10-2001 at 06:44 AM]

[DickNervous]

Well I have been 'lurking' here at Utopia guide for about two weeks and I feel it is time to chime in.

While I may not have as much expereince in this hobby as some of you obviously do, I have enough to know there is one very simple reality.

If you treat a provider as a human being with all the niceties that go alont with it such as beign polite, sensitive, and maybe even a little romantic, then you will be treated better. This is especially true when you are a 'regular' customer.

Here is an example. There was a young lady at a NYC incall establishment that over the course of 1 year I visited with 5 times. The first time was real good, the second better, and so on. I gave a genrouse tip (about 50%) after the first and second visits. The others I brought a little gift such as some flowers or chocalate.

I had read reviews of this lady on JAG at the time that while they said she was good, they did not compare to the expereinces I had with her. Mine were much better.

Now, if you want to call this 'wooing', 'being romantic', or just being a decent human being and treatign the ladies as such as well, that is your perogative. I just know it works for me.

That's my 2 cents.

[guy catelli]

Originally posted by DickNervous
Well I have been 'lurking' here at Utopia guide for about two weeks and I feel it is time to chime in.

While I may not have as much expereince in this hobby as some of you obviously do, I have enough to know there is one very simple reality.

If you treat a provider as a human being with all the niceties that go alont with it such as beign polite, sensitive, and maybe even a little romantic, then you will be treated better. This is especially true when you are a 'regular' customer.

Here is an example. There was a young lady at a NYC incall establishment that over the course of 1 year I visited with 5 times. The first time was real good, the second better, and so on. I gave a genrouse tip (about 50%) after the first and second visits. The others I brought a little gift such as some flowers or chocalate.

I had read reviews of this lady on JAG at the time that while they said she was good, they did not compare to the expereinces I had with her. Mine were much better.

Now, if you want to call this 'wooing', 'being romantic', or just being a decent human being and treatign the ladies as such as well, that is your perogative. I just know it works for me.

That's my 2 cents.



the wisest 'debut' post i've ever read on an asp-board.

bravo!

[Carl M]

Originally posted by Ozzy
my list looks more like this


1 escorts
2 strippers
3 mistress
4 girlfriends

there's no 5

My list looks more like this:

1)Escorts
2)Escorts
3)Escorts
4)Escorts
5)Escorts

Get the point my brothers- YAHOOOO its gonna be 85 degrees in the Glades- Sorry I could not help that- LOL!!

[One Eyed Trouser Trout]

1) debit
2) debit
3) debit
4) debit
5) debit

[DickNervous]

Thanks Guy.

I try to make some sort of sense when I post things for public consumption. ;-)