Shortchanged at Amber & Friends

[fishfry]

Very glad to see the New Jersey board. Amber & Friends has a website that guarantees GFE and no-rush.I visited them two weeks ago and had the opposite experience. Here's the review I submitted to ***.

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I live in Manhattan and sometimes I just need to rent a car and get out of town for the day. I had seen Amber's website and was attracted to the photos of Patti. She had that petite fair skin redhead look. Plus the site said, GFE, personable, full hour, kissing and cuddling, etc. All the stuff I like.

When I called I was directed to a motel by a male voice. I must say that it's a real turnoff to talk to a gruff irritable guy on the phone. I found out later he's the owner. Dude get a clue and hire a phone girl.

I got to the motel room and Patti let me in. The very first thing she said was, "Can I smoke a cigarette?" What a turnoff. But as an ex nicotine addict I know that if she's jonesing for a ciggie she won't be any fun, so I told her to go for it and let me know when she's ready for the session. Question: Why the f*ck couldn't she have her smoke BEFORE I arrived?

As she warmed up to me she was friendly enough. The covered blowjob was incompetent. She could only get the head of my dick in her mouth. I kept telling her to relax and take more of it in, and she said, "Sorry I had a couple of beers," as if that explained anything. I have an average size dick and most women have no trouble at all getting the whole thing in their mouth. Patti just isn't very good at sucking cock.

She said I could come on her chest. It was about 20 minutes into the session by the clock on the nightstand. She was encouraging me to come in that manner of quickie girls the world over. Since the website had promised a full hour GFE I figured this would be my first come. I shot a big load on her neck and chest and we went into the bathroom to clean up.

She got dressed and went over to sit on the other bet (two beds in the motel room). We were chatting a little. She said I was a nice guy and that's why she was chatting with me. "Usually if I don't like the guy he's outta here as soon as he's done," is how she put it.

There was no massage or any kind of attempt to be intimate or erotic. She was just talking and waiting for me to leave. After a while I got the hint and got dressed and left.

When I got home I double-checked Amber's website to make sure I hadn't misremembered. It says there:

* If you are looking for the kind of girl who loves to kiss, cuddle and hold you through the night, then maybe you have found us.

* We never rush are clients and always give them the time that they deserve. We love to make their experience with us last a lifetime.

That is such a flagrant lie that I wanted to set the record straight with this review. I paid for an hour ($200), was encouraged to come within 20 minutes, and got no further service of any kind except some idle chitchat that was clearly an invitation to leave. Patti's a fun girl in her own way, but only for 20 minutes. Once you come it's time for you to hit the road, jack.

I emailed Amber with my complaint and got no response.

fishfry@nyc.rr.com

[Richardrzhpippin]

I was literally about to pick up the phone and call the above establishment to enquire about a rendez-vous later tonight. I seem to recall reading some positive things about other girls - Amber, Tonya and Lisa I think.

However, if the "irritable" male who answers the phone is consistent - its likely I'll never make even make it tohaving a confirmed appointment. As old age dulls my senses, distorts my memory, and renders me a "one cup per hour" kind of guy...lol...I am increasingly unable to put up with fools, active drunks, and irritable pre -menapausal males to arrange a recreational blow job on my free time (no matter how good the reviews. I do not work an accepting program anymore ..... (my poor sponsor really does try so hard.........LOL) with jerks in the flesh peddling business. I guess I assume other guys whom like me tend to be a bit shy, - react in a similar way. If it hadn't been for people like Julie and her phone girls Bev and Tess - I don't think I would have ever made it past the local MP's in my area. Thanks fishfry.......

A final thought - so far its been my limited experience that attitudes in certain agency's reveal a "top down" flow that is remarkably consistent throughout their personnel - especially in small businesses like brothels and hot dog stands...LOL..... If the boss signs off on bullshit behavior by providers towards clients - its a good bet my colleagues experience will not be an isolated event. I guess I'll drag my tired bones to other places more appreciative and kinder towards the senior set.

[candie]

Why not try Mickey Lynn agency? I don't know the website but I bet you could find it.

[Phantom]

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[nj george]

do a search for her on ***, i remember a mention of her a few months ago. also there used to be a listing of her in the escort listings section on *** complete with phone number also she sometimes advertises on ny action guide newspaper. i called her once she sounded nice. works the ny/philly corredor. she also has "friends" that help her out.
hope this helps

[Phantom]

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[Phantom]

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[Phantom]

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[nj george]

i wouldn't take it personally phantom, she never posted on *** either(that i can remember). some girls just want to keep a low profile. mint julie, veronica devereux and others like micky stay off the boards to get out of the limelight(and away from the bullshit). and yet somehow to everyone's amazement manage to do a nice business. sometimes i wonder if that isn't the best way to go about doing things.

[DannyNJ]

For what it's worth - I had a session with Micky a while back and it was just okay. She's a very nice person and looks adorable (extremely slim), but performance wise it was average and far from a GFE (but that's another whole thread). In NJ, she's a decent alternative, but there's definitely better deals.

[ew]

The boards aren't the only way to do business.

As I said before, not everyone wants the exposure. NJ is a lot different than NY or Philly.



[Edited by ew on 07-09-2001 at 12:23 AM]

[Phantom]

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[nj george]

why does everything always have to be *** vs ug? who cares if she does not want to post here. if she want to post here she will. if not, she won't. both this board and her business will both do just fine without each other. it's just not that important. this *** vs ug loyalty thing is really very silly.

[fishfry]

It's been a while since I posted my original report. Since then I've seen a couple of ISO's (in search of) about Amber's, but no positive or negative comments.

I'm really curious. After I posted my negative review Amber emailed and offered me a free session, which I declined. If there are any escort agency owners/managers reading this, don't they realize that the best and only time to convert a first-time customer into a regular is to rock his world in session, not to deliver below average service and then claim it's never happened before and please accept our apology.

I would genuinely like to calibrate my reality. Has anybody ever seen any of Amber's girls, and what did you think? Did they rock your world or not? Inquiring minds want to know.

fish

[ew]

Well recently there have appeared on theeroticreview a few reviews.

Maybe good, maybe not. I am starting to wonder about theeroticreview, it seems to be a tool for agencies. Since theeroticreview allows multiple handles I would certainly think that agencies have figured it out.

In the beginning there was a much better balance of independents, agencies and ny-exotics, ny-eros. Now all of them seem to come from these categories except independents. Most reviews that I have seen on boards have been negative on Amber, other than the aforementioned erotic review ones.

[perezj]

I saw Amber a few weeks ago. She asked half or full hour and I opted for full. I get my first cookies in 20 minutes and she starts getting dressed. She informs me the "management" has a 1 pop policy, even for the hour. Not recommended.

[fishfry]

Originally posted by perezj
I saw Amber a few weeks ago. She asked half or full hour and I opted for full. I get my first cookies in 20 minutes and she starts getting dressed. She informs me the "management" has a 1 pop policy, even for the hour. Not recommended.

What? Will nobody speak out in favor of the sainted Miss Amber? This is from her website:

* If you are looking for the kind of girl who loves to kiss, cuddle and hold you through the night, then maybe you have found us.

* We are very passionate and personable girls that love our jobs.

* We love to make our clients live out their fantasies.

* We never rush are clients and always give them the time that they deserve. We love to make their experience with us last a lifetime.


I am publicly asking anyone who has EVER found any of this to be true -- anyone who has had a truly high-quality experience at Amber's -- to speak out now. Because I really hate it when the agency manager tells me how I'm the only guy in the world who ever complained.

And why don't more men call the agency back and say, Your Service Sucked? Because the guys are married and afraid to say anything; because a lot of guys don't see sexworkers often enough to know what good service looks like; because we don't want to hurt someone's livelihood, even after they have picked our pocket.

Pathetic, isn't it. And before the Internet it was even worse, half the time the girl would just take your money and provide no service at all. At least the Net has shed a some light on the industry, but there's a long way to go to genuinely improve quality in this business.

fish

[ew]

"...then maybe you have found us."

The out clause.

[woodman]

Well shucks! saw a good review on amber on another board and was gonna try it out next week. But after reading this thread I'm starting to wonder if it's worth the time.
I'm gonna be in Wayne NJ all next week. Anyone have any recommendations for a good provider at the $$ price range in that area?

[lurkey]

This service is great when your alter ego (aka dickhead) raises up and demands immediate satisfaction. Its happened to me a few weeks ago when the streets were slow and LE was active and I was in need, I called them and met at a nice motel outside wayne. I paid for the hour, opted for a half but got exactly what I wanted and it ended with Patti not losing a drop. If you are looking for a session in which you fantasize that the girl is in love with you, forget it. If your are looking for a simple release with an attractive girl then I think they fill the bill.

[fishfry]

"If you are looking for a session in which you fantasize that the girl is in love with you, forget it. If your are looking for a simple release with an attractive girl then I think they fill the bill."

I've got no problem with that. My problem is with their "once in a lifetime gfe" statements on their website, which clearly are not true.

If Amber said, "decent service at a decent price, one pop and out the door" I'd be the first to say they deliver exactly that.

[lurkey]

Understood, Fish. I think the value of these boards is to glean the reality from the hype. But hell, if we threw out all the babes with the bathwater because of their ads containing exaggerations or even untruths then we all might end up taking Judge C's offer on another thread seriously!

[nj george]

just about every agency and indy promotes themselves in a way simalar to amber's. some come through and some fall short. this is not a big surprise nor is it unique to this agency. not by a long shot. every nj agency and incall place that i have frequented has sucked even tho' they advertise as having "models", "dancers", "centerfolds", warm personable, friendly ladies, etc. etc etc. i think fish's rev. is very valuable but, the point has been made about amber...many many times...can we please move on.

[fishfry]

Lurkey,

I disagree. Of course a certain amount of exaggeration is to be expected. But I live in Manhattan and drove way out highway 46 because of the exact particular wording on Amber's website;


* If you are looking for the kind of girl who loves to kiss, cuddle and hold you through the night, then maybe you have found us.

* We are very passionate and personable girls that love our jobs.

* We love to make our clients live out their fantasies.

* We never rush are clients and always give them the time that they deserve. We love to make their experience with us last a lifetime.

By exposing the fact that Amber's agency does not, as a matter of agency policy, actually provide this level of service, I not only helped save some other guy a trip down that traffic hellhole called route 46.

In addition I did a favor to every agency that DOES provide this service and tries to say so on their website. For example recently April's service (pussycats of Brooklyn i think) has come on this board and said they provide this kind of service. And their website says they do too. And some hobbyist reported on this board that in fact April is running a good operation.

So by exposing Amber, we have helped April. Because if Amber is allowed to lie about the quality of service, then April would have less incentive to actually provide high quality service because people would assume April is lying too.

If we allow dishonest advertising to stand, it hurts the high-quality honest agencies and providers.

fish

[lurkey]

F,
Again, I understand. I just am trying to say that before I made the trip down 46 I did the research on about 4 boards and discovered that it was likely that them Ho's was guilty of a little hyperbole! I had no GREAT expectations but used the info as a lead and called before traveling and asked bluntly if they would accommodate my wishes. The phone guy said yes and they did. To me thats the value of this type of board.

[fishfry]

"Again, I understand. I just am trying to say that before I made the trip down 46 I did the research on about 4 boards"


So I'm a lamer that had to drive all the way out to New Jersey to find out what everybody else already knows. That figures, I'm generally the last one in the loop.

For the record, Patti and I are getting married next weekend. We're scheduled for an elaborate church wedding followed by a six hour reception. But I'm gonna duck out after about twenty minutes.

fish

[Ambernj2001]

Hi All...I want to say for the record that 1st off i offerd Mr Fishfry a free sesison to make up for pati....He said no...Fishfry is upset because he saw one girl and had no gfe....if you ask lurkey....he had a great time with pati
soo she was very gfe with him....bbbj and all..

Many of are girls are GFE...
I stand by what my website says...and if a guy has a bad time with one of our girls we will make it up to them...

[fishfry]

I stand by what I originally wrote.

I turned you down for a free session because I don't feel like driving out to New Jersey again. I appreciate the offer but the time to turn a new client into a steady client is the first session.

I don't understand why it upsets you that I told my story. I paid for an hour and got 20 or 30 minutes. It happened, I wrote about it, it's over.

I'll tell you a story. I wrote a negative review about my experience at Nicole Rio once. And you know what? Half a dozen guys immediately followed up my post saying No Way Dude and Nicole Rio's is great. That is what the free market of ideas is all about.

After I posted my one-time experience of your service -- which everybody understands is one guy's experience with one girl in one place and time, and your mileage will vary -- as I say after I posted my story, not a single man has posted to date to say that they got a full hour at your establishment.

One guy wrote that he loves your service. He never pays for an hour since you only allow one pop anyway, he always pays for thirty minutes, does his quickie thing, and leaves.

Another guy posted that he paid for an hour and was shown to the door after twenty minutes, as soon as he had his cup of coffee as they say.

So Amber all I'm saying is that I posted my story and everybody in the entire world is entitled to come on here and say "Fishfry you are so full of shit."

But so far even the people who LIKE your service admit that it's a quickie joint.

And you seem to be under the impression that because you offered me a freebie after I wrote my report, that I somehow have an obligation to -- to what? To say that I was wrong and that I was really there for an hour?

I never write bad reviews of individual providers. I always write reports of agencies that misrepresent services rendered.

I do appreciate the offer of a freebie. As it happens I live in Manhattan and it's not convenient for me to return.

I am sure that if a lot of men have good experiences with your service, we'll hear about it and your reputation will improve.

But I wonder if you read what other men besides myself had to say about your service? Not a single man was willing to post that he receieved a full unrushed hour of quality service.

If I were the owner of a small business and I got this kind of feedback, I'd think about how to improve the quality of my service, instead of trying to pick public arguments with a guy who you shorted on time.

fishfry

[Bill Furniture]

YMMV should only refer to the quality of service offered, or if the girl stays past the agreed to time. You shouldn't have to worry that you paid for the hour and then see her leaving after 20 or 30 minutes. BTW, I could go for the whole hour if I knew in advance what the situation was.

[maryjane]

After reading the post you left I contacted you thinking you might have made a mistake.......in hindsight you are right for posting what you did. I can only imagine spending all that time in the car to have that type of experience. Amber is fairly unresponsive, as you can see from my posts I have asked her many times now to remove me from her website. I am working independent and her having me on there is false advertising. Everywhere you look there is a bad review, and I am sick and tired of being associated with it. I have never had a bad review posted of me and have no intentions of going down with a sinking ship. Hope your next experience is better.

MJ of NNJ
banditgrl411@hotmail.com

[Ambernj2001]

To all the guys on here...MaryJane was fired for not showing up on her days that she said she wanted to work...This is her only way to fight back...So Please Try to understand She will say anything and agree with anybody thats post bad reviews about us......She Has threated me and girls that work here...I have all her IM's and E-mails saved.....

Funny how some can twist the truth and jump on the band wagon with fishfry....

[candie]

note: it is important when flaming a girl from your biz to use the phrase "bitch" a few times so that they will think you are not a guy.

[Casper]

Ooooooooppppppppssss

[Edited by Casper on 07-25-2001 at 06:56 PM]

[maryjane]

How can I be fired from a job I never wanted? Can someone tell me how this is possible?

All I want is to be off the damn site. I emailed Amber 5 times and sent her MANY instant messages on AOL to no avail and this was my last resort.

I wasn't fired, I worked for her like 3 times then I saw all the reviews. Worse then that, I saw the other girls in person at one of the incall locations. My oh my.

Shortchanged is not the worst of the problems you boys will have using her service, LOL.....as if the pics are not bad enough, it only gets worse in person.

Kisses
MJ of NNJ
banditgrl411@hotmail.com

[Escort_King]

Have used the service and had a great time. But I went in in an upbeat frame of mind. I hadn't spent and hour driving and getting frustrated before I got there.
Hey we have all had bad experiences with services and even good and bad sessions with the same girl. It happens.
But Savanna and Lisa are two of "Amber's Friends" I would highly recommend. They are generally happy and have turned an hour into a fun, sexually-charged game of give and take.
Obviously the Patti thing was a bit off putting, but give it a rest, take them up on the free session (and ask for Savanna)... you don't see those very often!!!

[maryjane]

was already shown on *** to be a fake used by Amber and Friends to get reviews-look it up

[Ezrlove]

Originally posted by candie
note: it is important when flaming a girl from your biz to use the phrase "bitch" a few times so that they will think you are not a guy.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[Casper]

Originally posted by maryjane
was already shown on *** to be a fake used by Amber and Friends to get reviews-look it up

Ok someone who has acess to the *** board please paste some of that info on here for all of us to read.. Thanks... I'd love to see a self poster get caught :cool:

Peace Out
C

[maryjane]

THIS CAME ON THE *** RIGHT AFTER A BAD REVIEW OF THE SERVICE-THE LINK FROM ESCORT KINGS NAME WAS TO HIS EMAIL ADDRESS SNJAUSSIE@AOL.COM

JUST FOR THE RECORD-


Re: ISO review for Crystal of AmberNJ -- nj_buck
Posted by Escort_King ® , Mon, Jul 16, 2001, 20:04:50 Post Reply Top of Thread Forum

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New girl... she is a little hottie... very enthusiastic.. has a very talented tongue... and the body is young and hard... have to stop am getting worked up and may have to call again!!! Enjoy




Re: Re: ISO review for Crystal of AmberNJ -- Escort_King
Posted by nj_buck ® , Tue, Jul 17, 2001, 08:22:46 Post Reply Top of Thread Forum

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Escort King, I am looking for a real review here. Not some fluff from someone involved with the organization. I was looking for an actual review of the girl by a hobbyist.
I mean, arent you the same snjaussie that posted the girls pictures at the yahoo club?
Related link: Escorts in NJ

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[fishfry]

Good research MaryJane!

[Escort_King]

I do not work for Amber or even live in New Jersey. I had the pics from emails and IMs and posted them on yahoo new jersey escorts....
I have also given some help every now and again regarding computer and web stuff. It is what I do for a living....
That is reason for this board after all.... help each other and the women who we like...
A couple of you are coming off as sounding like know alls offering opinions (that you think are gospel). Just because you have been on this site or whereever does not make you some type of final authority... every place has problems... it's a service business... ultimately it is the girls who provide the service, we should all know that by now.. the agency has to juggle as best they can... alot of the women can be unreliable to put it nicely.. the agency needs the feedback... on another part of this board fishfry was complaining and the agency offered a free hour... sounds like they are trying to work with the customer ...
This whole thing has turned into a major league flame session... how about this stuff gets dropped and the board returns to what it is intended...
Label me anyway you want.... this is my last post on the matter... I think there are problems on both ends of the feud and it has been aired.. how about we step back and let it go...

[Edited by Escort_King on 07-27-2001 at 01:47 PM]

[littleguy]

fish,

I'll take the free session.

AND report back. :)

[Edited by littleguy on 07-27-2001 at 03:54 PM]

[fishfry]

Littleguy,

If Amber is willing to let me give my free session to someone else I'm perfectly ok with that. Give her a call, tell her to read this post, see if she'll give you the session, and if so, write us up a report.

Escort_King I haven't bothered to engage you publicly because your tone speaks for itself.

fish

[Ambernj2001]

Sorry littleguy.....nice joke fishfry...lol your name is only on the ticket!!!

[maryjane]

actually took me up on my offer of providing my REAL reviews to him, I guess he was too damn lazy to do the legwork himself:)

I hope he had thorough enjoyment reading the emails I sent him, LMAO.

MaryJane of NNJ