BBFS

[wimpy]

How many of us have done this. Whether by protection slipping off, provider offering. In a discussion with someone, I believe that many of us have had bbfs at one moment in our hobby. I have been in this hobby for close to twenty years. I would be a liar if I said "nope never happened".

[jmcurry]

I have been involved in the hobby for about 30 years. That puts me back to NYC of the leisure spa era, with great establishments such as Spartacus, Tahiti, and Caesar's. It was common, in those days, to engage in BBFS. AIDS did not exist, at least publicly, and the culture was vastly different. I fear we have entered into a postmodern era, because disease has deconstructed our most intimate fantasies. Today I would never assent to BBFS, although I have been tempted at times. As hobbyists and providers, to use politically correct jargon, we all need to be careful. While the hobby was once driven by a fear of minor STD's and pregnancies, today it must be aware of much graver consequences. Sorry to be apocalyptic, but you did ask.

[wimpy]

jm,

Actually part of my thread is to make the guys and girls aware. Good thoughts!!

[BigBucksNYC]

Okay, before reading this thread I must admit that I didn't know what a BBFS was - but then again I am only 23 and have only been doing 'this' for 3 years (I can still count the number of times on one hand...)

BUT, that doesn't mean I don't have a story to tell. The first provider I was ever with was really nice although I didn't see her picture before hand and therefore, when she showed up, she was not even half as pretty as I hoped. But I was horny - and I am sure you all know how I feel - so I said what the hell. Also, since it was my first time and it was outcall, I didn't know if it would be proper to say "no, i don't want you" - although I think now I probably would have.

ANYWAY...we were going at it and it was good but when I pulled out at the end I noticed that where there once was a condom, there wasn't anymore - it had broke!!! She said it wasn't a big deal because she had the birth control implant and also she tested negative last month for all STD's. I was pretty scared, however, and after 6 months I went and got tested and (yes, i was VERY nervous) but I was negative also. It was for about 2 years after that that I went to see my next provider (while in Amsterdam of all places!!!).

So yes, condoms do break and if they do, then just hope you are lucky. Also, make sure they feel right when they are put on!

-BigbucksNYC

[One Eyed Trouser Trout]

Well, I've been suckered on at least 2 occasions being told I was the only one....and my ego took over.

Only to find out later that what they really meant to say was 'only one that day'

The comment about rubbers breaking has also occured...actually, the condom was beyond the expiration date and the thing just disintegrated when I was with a widely travelled and experienced internet hooker....last time I checked..my dork was still intact.

[Slinky Bender]

"Well, I've been suckered on at least 2 occasions"

The nerve ! Who did she think she was, tricking you into BBFS. Harumph !!!!!!!!!!!

[Phantom]

I've gotten BBFS from 4 very well known webscorts. Three of them are still working, one has retired.

[Tankcommander]

share the wealth!

[frog]

imo, it is a bad idea to discuss the specifics, ie, names, of providers who BBFS, unless she does it as a matter of course. Like the well-known provider who does it for x$ extra.

[Ozzy]

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[Edited by Ozzy on 07-06-2001 at 02:00 AM]

[wimpy]

One provider told me the following:

1) She was horny and I turned her on
2) She thought I was safe
3) Just don't cum in me

[One Eyed Trouser Trout]

The one I BBFS loves when I withdraw and give her a facial....she's a nasty lil girl....

Sorry. She's nowhere near NYC, tho

[One Eyed Trouser Trout]

Finally....phucking silver

[Ozzy]

phucking happy now!

[One Eyed Trouser Trout]

Well, more mildly amused with myself that I spend so much time spewing my opinions on a bulletin board as compared to happy that I've reached a higher state of relativity.

Isn't it great that computers aren't designed to deliver a finite number of keystrokes before they expire?

[chris56]

And who is the one who does it for x$ extra?

[ScottieDS]

Congrats on silver 1ITT -

How about a bit more info on where this wonderful sounding provider.

I, as well as I'm sure others, do quite a bit of travelling, and am always looking for a 'nasty lil girl'.

Regards,
ScottieDS

[mercydancer]

NO.

And for future references,

NO.

[robnotbob]

so you're saying you'll think about it???

Just joshin on a Friday, rnb.

[Monty Burns]

....when I was a younger lad, I was out one night with the boys...in Europe. And we were hanging out with some friends from school who happened to be over there too. And this one girl was smoking hot. Smokin'. And I was dating...but I was in Europe. Needless to say, we fooled around. Non-stop for about a week. And because I knew her from school, I figured she was safe. Then I got back to the states. And had a raging case of chlamydia...and I had to tell my girlfriend.

Now imagine if that happened to any of us today. And it was worse news than that.

Moral here? Don't let the little head think for the big head.

Word.

[mercydancer]

Let me explain


My youngest cllub bro was away on what we will call, government paid,forced vacations. I got word that his fiance was not exactly staying home being wifey.I let him know that the people she's hanging with, some are HIV pos.He comes home, doesn't wear a condom.RESULT;
He is 24 and hiv positive, she is 26 pregnant and hiv postitive.

But then I'm the paranoid one.


Moral of the story:
don't let the little head think for the big one.

[robnotbob]

I've always been curious..Did you and Smithers ever bump nasties?? I know he's had the hots for you.....

[Monty Burns]

We're "just friends"

[Ozzy]

thats what they all say.

[Monty Burns]

If you keep up with your insolence I will have you terminated.

Smithers, terminate this man.

[NYCBoy]

Mercydancer,

If you goes by stats, your "bro" is more likely to have picked up HIV on his "vacation".

[HAPPY GUY]

You know.... I hate to be the downer in this littel party.... but you can still catch STDs from wearing condoms that AREN'T broken and that ARE put on properly.

Trust me on this one. I learned the hard way once.

[MJC185]

There is no way to be 100% saf ein the hobby...but I will damn for sure get as close as I can! LOL

Only time I have engaged in BBFS was with a provider I began seeing on a non provider/client basis. But after doing it, I realized how stupid it was and it was the last time.

MJC

[HAPPY GUY]

I caught my little "gift" during a business trip to London a few years back. Being new to the country, I took a little journey to the back alleys of Soho. Wore a condom, checked it out, everything was fine. I still got nailed, so to speak.

I later was warned by a colleague to avoid that area, as this sort of thing tends to happen there.

I also read a report somewhere that over 70% of women in the UK have genital warts, though I've not had that confirmed (and luckily, not experienced it firsthand). I guess you really can't be too careful

[mercydancer]

Originally posted by NYCBoy
Mercydancer,

If you goes by stats, your "bro" is more likely to have picked up HIV on his "vacation".

Nope. He was a big neg when he got out.

[skagen]

HAPPYGUY. please elaborate, for our benefit, exactly what STD that you got while wearing the condom and how you think it got transmitted. Very useful info for alll here. I'm sure. Thanks!

[woodman]

I feel the BBFS subject gets taken just a bit too harshly. Yes there are deadly things out there like HIV today. But having sex with a provider in general is a risk. Condoms aren't 100%, they do break and I've had instances where they have broken and mentioned to the provider and was told to keep going. I won't mention the name but you would be amazed if I did. I've also been offered BBFS by three current providers. One that has been mentioned here and the other two on other boards. Just face it providers are human and if something clicks between the two the want for the real sensational does happen.
Should we openly discuss they did that? I personally think not unless you see something wrong that you feel could be a hazzard to others. But on the other hand we shouldn't crucify people for doing so.
On a different note. All that are so concerned of HIV and BBFS I hope your not DATY. The same fluids are transmitted and usually ingested though a bigger orafice than a penis.
We also always think of HIV:but we seem to forget about HEP C which is just as deadly and even transmitted just as easily. Especially thru DATY. I assume most of us have had occassional bleeding gums much more often than a cut on our dick !! I brush and floss regularly and still every once in a while have a little blood show up.
So is it OK to DATY but not to ever partake the pleasure of FS for our benefit. Especially since we are the ones paying with taxed dollars.

[Phantom]

Originally posted by Elmo
I won't mention the name but you would be amazed if I did.

Would I be amazed? Nope.

Originally posted by Elmo
I've also been offered BBFS by three current providers. One that has been mentioned here and the other two on other boards.


I'll tell you mine, if you tell me yours?




[Edited by Phantom on 07-06-2001 at 06:39 PM]

[Luciano]

SOMEBody tell!

[Phantom]

Since it has become evident from the "Negativity" thread that ALLOT more providers read UG then post here, I can see them thinking right about now, "God I hope my name doesn't pop up in that thread about BBFS".

[woodman]

Nothing like keeping everyone wondering..Hey Phantom maybe if one day we work out this Liana deal we can grab a brewsky and share our favorite BBFS stories..LoL

[Tankcommander]

I'd bet whoever is named, gets crucified, but her business rises 200 percent.

[jmp]

Yeah, her business jumps, as everyone starts partaking in BBFS. That sounds wonderfully safe. I think I'll skip that particular high risk activity.

[ew]

It's ego over rational thought.

[mercydancer]

A few weeks ago evryone was having a fit because someone wanted to out a john. You alll felt so unsafe and offended.
Now you're talking about outing a provider. do I see the same attitude and uproar ?????



NO!!!!!!

H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E-S ,

[Ozzy]

when there are so many who do it or have done it...it's not fair to just talk about one. so just skip the whole subject because.....and i've said this before, only two people are in that bedroom and they are the only two who should be saying anything. the rest is just second hand rumors.



btw,
mercy.... thats FH......f*cking hypocrites. and also, the last time i remember i provider being outed for providing bbfs.......WAS BY A FELLOW PROVIDER.

[Edited by Ozzy on 07-07-2001 at 03:57 PM]

[Phantom]

Mercy,

Relax, don't get your panties in such a twist. I can't vouch for others, but I'm not going to post on a open board the names of providers who do BBFS.

I'm sure you would agree though, that as sure as I am that providers pass info among themselves about bad or problem clients, guys pass such info among themselves through private emails.

[TuckernotSucker]

Some girls do do BBFS. It is wrong.... All the more reason for us to use Condoms.
Therefore it is not necessary to deal with who these providers are. It will only start a war.
And, I like Ozzy only know of one instance of accusing a provider of doing BBFS, it was from another provider in the same geographical location. So, do you believe?

[Edited by TuckernotSucker on 07-07-2001 at 04:10 PM]

[rodpeters2001]

I can't believe what I hearing here. With all the talk about AIDS, STDs, hepatitis C and herpes these days, I would not take a chance. I have used providers in the past that starts off kissing you with their tongue in your month and then moves onto BBBJ. They're willing to also do BBFS, but I'm not willing to take a chance and ask the provider for protection. Some comply and are grateful that you care about their health as well as yours. Some are upset because you not willing to DATY. I been a hobbyist for a long time and usually see a provider a week. Knock on wood, I'm still healthly because I'm very cautious and get tested regularly for peace of mind.

[ew]

Curious...I assume that everyone has had their Hepatitus shots?

If not, what are you thinking?

[jras]

fellow humans (lurkers too),

It's common sense and common courtesy: don't do anything you don't want to do with a provider and don't try to coerce her into doing something she really doesn't want to do. And please stop passing blanket judgements on the complex decisons other adults make for themselves when they're naked. In other words, what Ozzy said!

And BTW, both Hep B and Hep A vaccinations are a good idea for lotsa reasons. But both require a short series of innoculations, so you need to follow through to get the full protection. Do it for everyone's sake. Regrettably, there isn't a vaccine for Hep C yet ....

;-)>
jras




[Edited by jras on 07-08-2001 at 06:32 AM]

[HAPPY GUY]

My feeling on the subject is: sex without a condom obviously kicks ass over sex with a condom. If you know who you're dealing with and you're aware of the risks and you still participate.... enjoy by all means. But don't be surprised if things go badly.

I've never had sex without a condom with a provider. I don't think I ever would, actually. BBBJ is another story. While there's a risk, it's greatly reduced.

[rodpeters2001]

BBBJ is just as risky. More fluids to exchange and come in contact with blood from bad gums, sores, etc.

[Edited by rodpeters2001 on 07-07-2001 at 10:19 PM]

[Ozzy]

tns..

same one i'm thinking of, and she's still making accusations against.....SOMEONE. supposedly someone else this time around. pretty soon she's gonna run out of girls to accuse things of.

[rodpeters2001]

Ozzy, Please elaborate.

[Tankcommander]

soon, no one's gonna take you seriously about this...

[Ozzy]

forget it.

[littleguy]

Mercy "A few weeks ago evryone was having a fit because someone wanted to out a john. You alll felt so unsafe and offended. Now you're talking about outing a provider. do I see the same attitude and uproar ????
NO!!!!!!
H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E-S ,"

Understand what you're saying but I'm not sure it's the same.

A lady will out a john, presumably for bad behavior, but not necessarily, since in his view he may not have done anything wrong. Outing the john (who is NOT advertising) can break up his family, cost him his job and in effect ruin his life. You can't really "out" a provider (at least not the ones that advertise and participate in boards where hobbyists and anyone else for that matter can find them. They've, in effect, outted themselves by making themselves known to the public in one way or another). A very famous provider's family stumbled over her website and she quit because they found out what she was doing.

TNS,

"Some girls do BBFS" ???

"Outing" a provider for providing BBFS may actually increase her business (as has been hinted at earlier). IMO, NOBODY here should assume a provider NEVER goes BB with anyone. It seems logical to assume that most, if not all, provider's have boyfriends, husbands, special clients, whatever, that they go BB with. Hobbyists would be insane to think that a provider never goes BB with someone.

And, since HIV in particular is very difficult to transmit in healthy people (being that entry into the bloodstream not just the body is required), your odds of getting it BB are further reduced.

Bottom line is, it's ALWAYS up to the hobbyist AND the provider to decide how much risk THEY wish to incur.

[Ozzy]

big ditto to LG.

[ew]

The BB "accusation" can, of course, be used to destroy a escorts business also.

That's why I think that when anything other than generalities are mentioned it should be done privately.

It's the Client's life and the escort's business (which is her livelihood) so outing is serious stuff and should not be tolerated in either instance. It is way too easy to have rumors/accusations spread online and it's not good for anyone.

[Slinky Bender]

LG,
I disagree that you can't "out" a provider, but I agree that it's a bit different in the case of what is being referred to here. To be comparing apples to apples, you have to talk about outing a provider in the sense of displaying her "real" name, address, etc. in a public way ( and we all know that this can and has happened, and that for some it is just as dangerous as it is for guys ).

To some extent ( and this is really imperfect ), the similar scenario for "Johns" would be a provider saying "Warning, gals, 'MrBigPatootie' on UG is a bisexual, so watch yourself with him".

[mercydancer]

What I was trying to explain,before my second cup of coffee,is that everyone got so hot and bothered about the posibility of info from a client being made public, but, I keep hearing that its not the same if someone wants to make public some info about a provider.

What happens behind closed doors between two or more consenting adults is their problem.There are no children or innocent bystanders on this board.Everyone knows what they're getting into. Each person must take responsibility for their actions.

Therefore,if a client doesn't insist on being protected he has no one to blame if something does happen but himself.The same goes for the providers.If she doesn't insist on protection then, she has no right to complain.

You can do everything there is to be done in life,as long as you are careful.

"Least you hurt no one, do as you please."-Wiccan golden rule.

[Hotpuppy]

Originally posted by mercydancer

"Least you hurt no one, do as you please."-Wiccan golden rule.

Hope you are taking this "golden rule" out of the context of some larger codification of rules, as this one( as it is written) could excuse alot of bad behavior directed at things other than people.
take care HP

[mercydancer]

Originally posted by Hotpuppy

Hope you are taking this "golden rule" out of the context of some larger codification of rules, as this one( as it is written) could excuse alot of bad behavior directed at things other than people.
take care HP [/B]

This is the first and major law by which we live.The second one being "Whatever you do will come back threefold".

We firmly believe that ANY negative energy you put out, be it directed at living or non living, will eventually come back your way only three times stronger.
So "least you hurt none...."as the original text states(before the yuppies got into things),would include behavior directed at things also.

This topic has hit home in a very hard way as I have explained before. So much that here I am on my so-called vacation posting on the board.But, it also has helped me do some thinking and researching of my own.Even though I don't bbfs and always carry condoms with me, I always get a sense of relief when I see that NEGATIVE on the test papers. I don't have the right to judge anyone who doesn't use them..All I can do is keep people in my meditations and hope they keep safe.

Sorry to subject you guys to my meditative mood but last night I had to sit and explain to my 15 year old daughter that her favorite uncle, the one she's taking as her prom date, proved positive for hiv. It's so different when things hit close to home.

Have all the fun you can but please, be safe.

[mercydancer]

Yes, I have a 15 yeaar old daughter, and a 19 year old too.And I will kill the first man to make as much as a move.LOL
so much for that golden rule.....

[justme]

mercy - I respectfully disagree with the notion that what ever happens between closed doors is private and should remain that way. When discussing commercial sex, we are no longer discussing a rivate relationship. The commercial aspect moves the act into the marketplace and the market does have certain rights which trump privacy issues. I think that there is a certain agreed upon convention for safety in this line of work. If any providor deviates from standard accepted practices then I think the market does have the right to know.

That said, I think anyone having sex with a stranger would be out of their mind if they don't assume that that stranger has unprotected sex. Always better to err on the side of caution.

[mercydancer]

What I meant,again without enough coffee in my system,is that me, personally, myself, could never see myself discussing anything that goes on in any of my sessions using real names or nicknames or a.k.a.,or whatevers.I just can't do it. This is a rule that is as me as my long hair.tattooes, and birthmarks.I just can't do it.
So if a client were to ask me for bbfs or anything else, that is not a subject that I would discuss and mention names here or anywhere else. If it's something that I do, I do it and if it's something out of my league I tell him so.In the privacy of the room we're in and end of story.It's a private matter between client and provider.

Maybe I should stop drinking coffee and go back to Jack. I seem to be able to express myself better that way.

Hey Thorn where's my bottle????????