HIV Alert

[funstuff]

FYI - A friend of mine just tested positive for HIV and he swears that the only place he had gone in the last year was Linden. Take it for what its worth but I though I should share that.

[popeye]

I feel terribly sorry for your friend, but can you provide more information for the rest of us out here. In other words, I would find it incredulous that your friend contracted the HIV virus just by stepping into the same room as a provider at the Linden place. So unless this occurred, did your friend participate in unprotected FS. Or did he receive CFS and still somehow contracted the virus from BBBJ, Asian and maybe covered Greek. Or unfortunately, is your friend being absolutely forthcoming with the truth?

I believe we are mostly intelligent people here on this board, and any information regarding how your friend contracted the virus would be helpful.

Good luck

Pop

[Intown]

This looks like a suspicious post to me. Even if it's true, Linden rotates two providers every week; it's not like the same providers are there all the time. So this post will have no impact on my future visits.

[popeye]

Originally posted by Intown
This looks like a suspicious post to me. Even if it's true, Linden rotates two providers every week; it's not like the same providers are there all the time. So this post will have no impact on my future visits.

I figured as much, but wanted to see if a response would be forthcoming.

Regards

pop

[Daniel_NYC]

For Clarification:

Are we Talking 1F Linden in Queens or the other Linden in New Jersey?

Your posts seem to intimate the fact that you are closer to Jersey/Philadelphia, how well do you know this friend of yours?

Funstuff, you seem like a nice guy, but your body of posts here seem to be obsessed with the number and probability of sexually transmitted diseases. Granted forewarned is to be forearmed, and knowing what you are up against is the responsible thing to do.

I appreciate the heads up, but if this is unverified information it does little more than get everyone upset.

The bottom line is this:
HIV transmission is lowest amongst heterosexuals as a group.
Oral transmission of the virus is not the prefferred vehicle for transmission.
Baring BBFS or BBAnal getting HIV from covered Vaginal and Anal intercourse is near nill.
IV drug use, bi-sexual experiences all skew this figure
Thanks for the heads up!

Dan

[Escort_King]

Sorry to hear about your friend but this post needs more info. He had to have had BBFS or the incubation period could have been more than 12 months... when was he tested last??? before this time and who did he see then....

[jam master jay]

I was thinking the same thing...maybe in the last year, that was his only "place", but he could have had the virus in his system for a few years without knowing it...and, BTW...thanks for all of your knowledgeable info DanielNYC...

[salomon]

Originally posted by jam master jay
thanks for all of your knowledgeable info DanielNYC...
I don't believe that a whore board is the best place to be getting your info about STDs.

[jam master jay]

I am well aware of that, and I was referring to the many posts he has made here regarding STD's and hobbying, which I have found to be informative and accurate.

[funstuff]

I know the veracity of the information is suspect and even if true, is alone isn't any reason to alter one's current conduct. I just wanted to pass it along - its something I have known about for a number of months and like many of you understood that there were obvious issues with the information - I just figured I would put it out there. I have never been to Linden myself (and yes it is the 1F one, not NJ) but have friends who have been there and as far as I know still go. The friend who tested positive is actually married as well and like many of us has a professional livleyhood but engage in this occassional hobby. He says that he always engaged in covered full service, never did greek with a provider but did enage in bbbj and daty - he thinks that is how he may have contracted it. Who knows! We aren't the closest friends but he seemed very sincere in his opinion of how he got it and he is a fairly intelligent person for what its worth.

[funstuff]

I know I have posted before regarding my somewhat paranoia about stds - I believe I think about it more than most people do but thats just me - its also probably why I felt compelled to share this info with everyone - I figure by putting it out there others may be more inclined to share any information they may have about an issue which many consider taboo.

[biggod]

Originally posted by funstuff
I know the veracity of the information is suspect and even if true, is alone isn't any reason to alter one's current conduct. I just wanted to pass it along - its something I have known about for a number of months and like many of you understood that there were obvious issues with the information - I just figured I would put it out there. I have never been to Linden myself (and yes it is the 1F one, not NJ) but have friends who have been there and as far as I know still go. The friend who tested positive is actually married as well and like many of us has a professional livleyhood but engage in this occassional hobby. He says that he always engaged in covered full service, never did greek with a provider but did enage in bbbj and daty - he thinks that is how he may have contracted it. Who knows! We aren't the closest friends but he seemed very sincere in his opinion of how he got it and he is a fairly intelligent person for what its worth.

funstuff,

Sorry to hear about your friend. But if he is positive then he could of contacted the virus sometime ago and not know it. HIV could be in your systems and not show until a few years later. I don't think he got it from the 1F place. Not that I go there either. I wish your friend the best and God bless him. Hope all works out.

[Mister_NYC]

All it takes is 1 contact and getting it via DATY or BBBJ is highly unlikely, but it is possible according to studies that have not been confirmed true by a major source.

He might have gotten it from his wife or 1F ... I dunno. BTW, for everyones sake, I hope your HIV buddy doesn't go anymore.

Mister_NYC :D

[funstuff]

I guess it is theoretically possible that he contracted it from his wife but I think the odds are pretty clearly on the side that he got it at 1F. Don't you think? I know the characteristics of the girls who work there and honestly of some of the people who frequent it. After all, the girls who work there are in fairly desperate situations and those who frequent it often can't afford the higher priced places. Also, a girl who would give a stranger a bbbjtc can't be too much of a wit.

[ginny1]

Don't you think? I know the characteristics of the girls who work there and honestly of some of the people who frequent it. After all, the girls who work there are in fairly desperate situations and those who frequent it often can't afford the higher priced places. Also, a girl who would give a stranger a bbbjtc can't be too much of a wit.


I dont think u have any right to say anything about the girls who anywhere . Who are u to judge them do u know no its none of your bussinesss why we ladys do what we do unless we tell you. Also any guy to accept a bbbjtc from a stranger obviously didnt care to much then. dontg you think ladys in this biz worry too or more. A provider is no less of a person than someone who comes and see us we both take equal risks if u feel someone isnt very careful then dont see em thats your choice and u make ur own actions .

[funstuff]

Ginny - I can totally sympathize with the girls and definitely agree that they are taking the most risk - that is part of what I was saying. You have to agree - its a pretty high risk situation and certain things make it that much more so.

[ginny1]

Ginny - I can totally sympathize with the girls and definitely agree that they are taking the most risk - that is part of what I was saying. You have to agree - its a pretty high risk situation and certain things make it that much more so

Sympathize? I see you have only been a member for a short time so im assumeing ur new to this hobby?

[circle360]

Funstuff - You are talking out of both sides of your mouth.In one post you say you have never been to linden. But 2 posts later you say "dont you think I know the characteristics of the women that work there'.So I tend to doubt this whole post actually.

And when someone said he may have contacted it somehwere else.you said I doubt he got it from his wife.Thats assuming that he never went to any other place besides this.Which i highly doubt as well.

And have to agree with dan.Read some of your prior posts and you are pretty obsessed with this whole subject matter.

[littleguy]

Originally posted by funstuff
I guess it is theoretically possible that he contracted it from his wife but I think the odds are pretty clearly on the side that he got it at 1F. Don't you think? I know the characteristics of the girls who work there and honestly of some of the people who frequent it. After all, the girls who work there are in fairly desperate situations and those who frequent it often can't afford the higher priced places. Also, a girl who would give a stranger a bbbjtc can't be too much of a wit.

Has his wife been tested ?

Agree with prior post. It's unlikely that's the only place your friend has been to.

And frankly, a guy who posts "Also, a girl who would give a stranger a bbbjtc can't be too much of a wit." can't be too much of a wit himself. I've read a lot of info on HIV and its transmission in the past and, up until a while ago (when I stopped reading about it), while the transmission of HIV via BBBJ's is theoretically possible, there had not been ONE documented case of it actually happening.

[Socketome]

I'm curious as to which of these three possibilities most guys here think is actually going on:

1) The guy got HIV from a BBBJ at 1F,

2) The guy got HIV from some homosexual activity and/or IV drug use, but it's much less emabarrasing to admit to a trip to 1F than either of those other 2 things,

3) The story is completely made up.

[mojosair]

Funstuff.....you friend doesn't know where or how he got HIV, and you don't know what your "friend" has been doing 24/7 365. So why post this?

Are you really helping anyone out here, or just creating a little paranoia?

[justme]

I guess H4C would say a little paranoia is a good thing.

[yanni]

Funstuff,
Sorry to hear about your friend. I would suggest your friend get re-tested. A few years ago, a friend of mine tested positive. At the time he was having protected non-commercial sex with a couple of partners and tested HIV positive. When he got the results, he was shocked, but decided to get tested again a week later and tested negative. He's tested negative since then. From what I understand, some HIV tests, such as those that give you results in 15 min. tests may not be so accurate.

[Mister_NYC]

There are many false positives given! But I still think 1) story was made up to raise awareness to the HIV thing 2) maybe his wife gave it to him 3) or he did in fact get it at 1f.

Oh well. Be safe all.

Mister_NYC :D

[Escort_King]

Originally posted by ginny1
Ginny - I can totally sympathize with the girls and definitely agree that they are taking the most risk - that is part of what I was saying. You have to agree - its a pretty high risk situation and certain things make it that much more so

Sympathize? I see you have only been a member for a short time so im assumeing ur new to this hobby?

Okay and you have only been a member a short time so you are new to the game???

[Escort_King]

not as good as winning powerball and megamillions in the same week

[funstuff]

Believe it or not what I say is the truth as I know it - of course it could be a false positive or my friend may have not given me full disclosure - these are obvious possibilities and I hope that those who raised them do not give themselves too much of a pat on the back for figuring them out. Hey, regardless of people's defense mechanisms, hiv and aids are simply not attributable to only iv drug users and gays - sorry. If there were a high percentage of women who were a high hiv risk it would most likely be those at 1F and other similar cheap Queens type places. Seems kinda obvious to me. I haven't been there personally but definitely know more than a little about these women and the problems they have which bring them to that place. I may only have a small number of posts compared to others who obviously have more time on their hands but I have had my share of experiences in the hobby and in life and I have made a conscious effort to take as little risk as possible - I'm sorry but getting a bbbj or engaging in daty with most of the women who are faced with having to work at 1F is not a low risk practice for me. If you guys want the wool over your eyes to be able to enjoy I won't bother you with any addtl info that I get from my friend. And for those of you who try to horde 1F to yourselves you should be actually be happy that maybe this will thrwart some who may actually think about trying to minimize certain risks.

sorry to divert your attention

[Intown]

I still smell agenda.

[mojosair]

Originally posted by funstuff
I'm sorry but getting a bbbj or engaging in daty with most of the women who are faced with having to work at 1F is not a low risk practice for me.

That isn't the issue.

This is a whore board.....people go to whores at their own risk, we know that and we don't need you to lecture us on what we should and shouldn't do.

You made a post HIV alert about a particular place. If that is what you know to be true leave it at that....and either back it up with more facts or let it go.

[Casper]

Originally posted by Socketome
I'm curious as to which of these three possibilities most guys here think is actually going on:

1) The guy got HIV from a BBBJ at 1F,

2) The guy got HIV from some homosexual activity and/or IV drug use, but it's much less emabarrasing to admit to a trip to 1F than either of those other 2 things,

3) The story is completely made up.


#3 and with a definite agenda.

[pswope]

Originally posted by Socketome
I'm curious as to which of these three possibilities most guys here think is actually going on:

1) The guy got HIV from a BBBJ at 1F,

2) The guy got HIV from some homosexual activity and/or IV drug use, but it's much less emabarrasing to admit to a trip to 1F than either of those other 2 things,

3) The story is completely made up.


He got it at the Old Age home next door and is too embarrased to cop to it.

[justme]

Originally posted by pswope
He got it at the Old Age home next door and is too embarrased to cop to it.

Holy shit, please not Agnes (or Elanor)!

[justme]

Originally posted by justme


Holy shit, please not Agnes (or Elanor)!

Who am I kidding? If one of 'em got it...

[Daniel_NYC]

Originally posted by funstuff
And for those of you who try to horde 1F to yourselves you should be actually be happy that maybe this will thrwart some who may actually think about trying to minimize certain risks.


And there it is! Freud was some smart cookie!
Sometimes, when we engage in stream of conciousness rants, the truth sneaks in.

Kudos to you for trying to minimize risks, we are after all playing with our lives, but so are sky divers and mountain climbers.

As far as the "class" of woman that works at 1F, I have a few ideas.

I believe these are women who live in South America and neighboring islands. They have children and family back there. They are, aside from sexually, basically unskilled and can not support their families in a proper manner with wages from their own country. So they come here and earn money as providers. I would say 75% of what they earn gets returned home for their families. they are not low life drug addicts or crack whores, anyone that has visited there will tell you that. I know appearances can be deceiving, maybe I am a bit deluded for believing this, but I seriously doubt that anyone is getting BBFS from this place.

This hobby is no game. We are taking risks, risk of disease, risk of divorce, risk of losing our livelihoods. We should all be aware of the risks and make informed choices. After all we will always have to live by the choices we make.

I've had choices
since the day that I was born
there were voices
that told me right from wrong
if I had listened
no I would'nt be here today
living and dying with the choice I've made

I was tempted
by an early age I found I like drinking
oh and I never turned it down
there were loved ones
but I turned them all away
and now I'm living and dying with the choices I made

I've had choices
since the day that I was born
there were voices
that told me right from wrong
if I had listened
no I would'nt be here today
living and dying with the choice I've made

I guess I'm paying
for the things that I've done
if I can go back
Oh Lord knows I'd run
but I'm still loosing
this game of life I'm playing of loosing and dying
with the choices I've made

I've had choices
since the day that I was born
there were voices
that told me right from wrong
if I had listened
I would'nt be here today
living and dying with the choice I've made

living and dying with the choice I've made

George Jones.

[mr_deviant]

One can certainly get STDs from hobby but in this case, I smell BS

Originally posted by Socketome
I'm curious as to which of these three possibilities most guys here think is actually going on:

1) The guy got HIV from a BBBJ at 1F,

2) The guy got HIV from some homosexual activity and/or IV drug use, but it's much less emabarrasing to admit to a trip to 1F than either of those other 2 things,

3) The story is completely made up.

[dr_skins]

I hate to be on the minority side of this one, but being an MD I can't just idly sit back. Make no mistake--first of all, just because a provider is not a crack whore, doesn't mean she doesn't have x,y,or z disease. HIV is rampant in South America, the economies are horrible in those countries and prostitution is also rampant, as well as drug use/IV drug use. A woman who prostitutes here could have done so in South America (or whichever part of the world she came from).

Second--receiving oral sex is probably the safest uncovered practice besides getting a handjob or doing it yourself BUT performing oral is unsafe. The inside of the mouth gets tiny cuts and scrapes constantly--everytime you eat something crunchy for instance, or brush your teeth, so any time you DATY you are taking a big risk or any woman giving BBBJ for any length of time or to completion. Even BBFS (as risky as it is) is less risky for a man than performing DATY as far as I know (unless you have open sores on your penis or broken skin from some other cause).

Third--the girls at 1F are seeing LOTS of tricks and rotating to other places/locations when they aren't at 1F. Many play only safe which is great, but some do BBBJ. Personally, I'd think twice about DATY w/someone who does BBBJ. Fair to the girl?? Not one bit. But that's why they're the ones getting paid and the men are the ones paying.

Not trying to rain on anyone's parade--just want you all to have more accurate info about this for your protection. There's plenty of fun to be had at minimal risk to you if you're not misled and if you're careful

[salomon]

AHHHHHHHHHHH! I CAN"T HEAR YOU! AHHHHHHH!

[John Y. Doe]

Originally posted by Escort_King
Sorry to hear about your friend but this post needs more info. He had to have had BBFS or the incubation period could have been more than 12 months... when was he tested last??? before this time and who did he see then....

I'm no M.D., but I am aware of an HIV blood test that can show a positive in just a few weeks from contact. It's not as thorough in finding all the cases, but a positive is still a positive. We really know which test was done, and has already been stated, when (and what) was his last contact at Linden.

[girlnow67]

give facts please..... the ladies have to protect themselves from men with infections as wellllllllll...... and i suppose if he has it his wife must by now.. hope he told her as well as you guy!!!!!
and the ladies I believe prefer.. words other than whore.. that sounds so bad....
escort, ladies of the evening, call girls, even prostitues sound better for a woman whom is earning $$$ and hour which is what the average lawyer costs...... wink.....
Daniel of NYC.... note to you.. ( HELLLLLLLO again) I love reading your posts..........keep them cumming LOL
breaking the tension and sending a hello to all the good guys still about!!!!
CD

[tornillo_monger]

Hey Funstuff,

This is ******** ***** Your friend, Whats up buddy?
Hey I forgot to tell you that the HIV I contracted was from using the toilet at that amp I talked to you about. I knew you were a paranoid twit and would go and post it since thats all you post about. Yeah I got it but it was HIV, Humoungous Itchy Vaginosis,
I gave it to my wife and I had to get her a belt sander to scratch her itch. Remember never have bbfs with a toilet seat at an amp

Your Friend

******* ******

[kromrider]

Originally posted by girlnow67
and the ladies I believe prefer.. words other than whore.. that sounds so bad....
escort, ladies of the evening, call girls, even prostitues sound better for a woman whom is earning $$$ and hour which is what the average lawyer costs......
Shit by any other name is still shit. These girls at Liden are earning far less then 300/hr.
And as far as grouping yourself in with lawyers, i don't think the girls would look at that as a compliment.

[girlnow67]

i meant monitary not education

[ajrandom2000]

I don't know what the fuss is all about... Regardless of where you go, who you pay, or what that person does to you - you should suspect that EVERY person is HIV +. DATY on a high priced provider doesn't reduce your risk over a cheap thrill, right?

[frank735]

Originally posted by ajrandom2000
I don't know what the fuss is all about... Regardless of where you go, who you pay, or what that person does to you - you should suspect that EVERY person is HIV +. DATY on a high priced provider doesn't reduce your risk over a cheap thrill, right?

Nice first post.

[spanky123]

Originally posted by ajrandom2000
I don't know what the fuss is all about... Regardless of where you go, who you pay, or what that person does to you - you should suspect that EVERY person is HIV +. DATY on a high priced provider doesn't reduce your risk over a cheap thrill, right?

First post eh???? Hey!! Maleasian is back!!! :D

[bangbroads]

Originally posted by funstuff
Believe it or not what I say is the truth as I know it - of course it could be a false positive or my friend may have not given me full disclosure - these are obvious possibilities and I hope that those who raised them do not give themselves too much of a pat on the back for figuring them out. Hey, regardless of people's defense mechanisms, hiv and aids are simply not attributable to only iv drug users and gays - sorry. If there were a high percentage of women who were a high hiv risk it would most likely be those at 1F and other similar cheap Queens type places. Seems kinda obvious to me. I haven't been there personally but definitely know more than a little about these women and the problems they have which bring them to that place. I may only have a small number of posts compared to others who obviously have more time on their hands but I have had my share of experiences in the hobby and in life and I have made a conscious effort to take as little risk as possible - I'm sorry but getting a bbbj or engaging in daty with most of the women who are faced with having to work at 1F is not a low risk practice for me. If you guys want the wool over your eyes to be able to enjoy I won't bother you with any addtl info that I get from my friend. And for those of you who try to horde 1F to yourselves you should be actually be happy that maybe this will thrwart some who may actually think about trying to minimize certain risks.

sorry to divert your attention

Whatever happened to your friend? Was it confirmed he caught it at 1F and who was the provider involved. This is the second time I've heard this now about this place. What's really good?

[Bandaid]

Originally posted by funstuff
I know I have posted before regarding my somewhat paranoia about stds - I believe I think about it more than most people do but thats just me - its also probably why I felt compelled to share this info with everyone - I figure by putting it out there others may be more inclined to share any information they may have about an issue which many consider taboo.

Thanks.

The problem with anecdotal information on how people get HIV is that so many people don't tell the truth about their behavior, or they do several things that could give them HIV and there's no way to know which thing got them infected. Oral sex seems to be a low-risk activity, though. This is from avert.org:

<<In June 2002, a study conducted amongst 135 HIV-negative Spanish heterosexuals, who were in a sexual relationship with a person who was HIV-positive, reported that over 19,000 instances of unprotected oral sex had not lead to any cases of HIV transmission.... The study, conducted over a ten year period between 1990 and 2000, adds to the growing number of studies which suggest varying levels of risk of HIV transmission from oral sex when compared to anal or vaginal intercourse.>>

I don't quite follow the "varying risk" statement. There appears to be a much lower risk of HIV transmission from oral sex, even when giving BBBJ's to known positive people.

[genius]

Originally posted by kromrider
Shit by any other name is still shit. These girls at Liden are earning far less then 300/hr.
And as far as grouping yourself in with lawyers, i don't think the girls would look at that as a compliment. You are certainly right about not being a compliment. Even the lowest druggie street whore has some things she just will not do for money.

[brykster]

interesting thread...but this does not belong on the "Cheap Thrills" board. perhaps we need a new section for rediculous paranoia posts. we can put all those other posts by the guys who think cops sit around all day reading this site.

[J Burb]

I'm no one to preach or tell anyone what to do with his dick but I think some of you need a slap of reality.

Although most people have a good idea about how HIV gets transmitted, it's a bit disturbing how many people still think DATY is a safe activity or that they can pick out what type of sex worker is safer than the next. Anyone with any doubt should re-read dr_skins post because its 100% on the money! The problem is, most everyday hetro people with HIV dont admit it and the remainder of the population walks around with the misconception that only group A or B who engauges in activity Y or Z gets infected. The statistical truth is, we probably all have known someone who has HIV and odds are, given the nature of this board, some of you out there have it too.

I personally have known two people who got it. One was a fellow monger who had a condom break with a prostitute and the other (who is dead now) had a long time a swinger lifestyle. Both were hetro and both regularly used condoms. As for the underestimated DATY risk, any lack of statistics is likely more the result of not being able to pipoint it as the soul source of transmission than it actually being any less risky than unprotected intercourse. After all, what guy doesnt also usually fuck what he licks?

I fully understand how too much paranoia can ruin some of the fun and how some of you guys dont like to hear this, but the risks are very real and the statistics among sex workers is likely higher than you'd think. Consider this: You may choose to avoid crackwhores, but not all your favorite providers "other clients" do. And if you got infected, could you really resume a normal dating life or would sex workers then become your primary option? Dont think that isnt the situation with a certian portion of mongers out there. One thing is for certian, your fun will definately be ruined if you get infected and die a premature death because you underestimated the risk or didnt have all the facts strait. IMHO, treat EVERY sex worker should be approached as if she had HIV and protect yourself accordingly.

Be wise and safe all.

[genius]

Originally posted by J Burb
I'm no one to preach or tell anyone what to do with his dick but I think some of you need a slap of reality.

Although most people have a good idea about how HIV gets transmitted, it's a bit disturbing how many people still think DATY is a safe activity or that they can pick out what type of sex worker is safer than the next. ....we probably all have known someone who has HIV and odds are, given the nature of this board, some of you out there have it too.

I personally have known two people who got it. One was a fellow monger who had a condom break with a prostitute and the other (who is dead now) had a long time a swinger lifestyle. Both were hetro and both regularly used condoms. As for the underestimated DATY risk, any lack of statistics is likely more the result of not being able to pipoint it as the soul source of transmission than it actually being any less risky than unprotected intercourse. After all, what guy doesnt also usually fuck what he licks?

I fully understand how too much paranoia can ruin some of the fun and how some of you guys dont like to hear this, but the risks are very real and the statistics among sex workers is likely higher than you'd think.... .... treat EVERY sex worker should be approached as if she had HIV and protect yourself accordingly.

Be wise and safe all. HIV is a blood disease. It is very hard to get. Arthur Ash (the tennis star who got it from a blood transfusion) had it for years and his wife is uninfected for many years now(at least as far as I know) I simply do not buy that the person you know got it from a single condom breaking. As a blood disease it requires both a way to leave the blood stream of the carrier and enter that of the person getting infected. Unless your friend had a open wound on his penis (from std or cut perhaps). As far as getting it from BJ - it requires both a means to leave the blood of the giver(bleeding gums, sore from std, etc) and a way to enter blood stream in your penis.

With DATY there is much more possibility of blood to blood but still rather rare. Hepatitus and STD's are much more likely here.

Yes I assume that every play for pay person has it.

BTW - Many, many guys who adventure into sex sometimes play both sides of the fence -and keep it quiet.

This is not to say you put your head (or dick) in the sand, but do some research in reputable sites that do not have an agenda, to get the statistics.

[J Burb]

One reason he even got tested was when he found out his regular provider had dropped off the scene with HIV symptoms. I never asked him if he indulged in DATY too, but he seemed pretty certian about the source unless theres more hes not telling me.

I disagree about the likelyhood of transmission during typical hetro sex though because HIV is a microscopic virus and the skin of your penis or walls of the vagina can get pretty raw sometimes. It can then enter the bloosstream through microscopic abrasions on your skin that you cant even see. Thats why anal sex has a higher transmission rate, due to rectal tissue being more delacate and easily traumatized.

I have no agenda and am no expert about this, but did go out and get better educated while watching a buddy waste away to nothing in the hospital. I've also been tested several times over the years and have always bombard the clinicians with every possible question I could think of. Just passing it on.

Its the everyday strories you never hear about that keep people in the dark and Auther Ash or Magic Johnson just isnt one of them.

[Psychosis]

Originally posted by biggod
funstuff,

Sorry to hear about your friend. But if he is positive then he could of contacted the virus sometime ago and not know it. HIV could be in your systems and not show until a few years later. I don't think he got it from the 1F place. Not that I go there either. I wish your friend the best and God bless him. Hope all works out.

This is not true. While it takes the body several years to develop AIDS the virus is detected with proper testing within 3 to 6 months of infection.

[genius]

Originally posted by Psychosis
This is not true. While it takes the body several years to develop AIDS the virus is detected with proper testing within 3 to 6 months of infection. I think he (biggod) meant you can be HIV infected for many years w/o knowing it. Also newer tests have reduced the time period for detection a bit.

J. Burb: anal sex is a transmission path not so much because "rectal tissue being more delicate and easily traumatized" (although it is) but it is also just a few cells thickness away from the bloodstream and HIV infected semen can hang around there for a while giving more opportunity for infection.. Thats why suppository drug treatment works so well (e.g. suppository aspirin)

Should you ever have a condom break just wash off a bit with warm soapy water, put on a new condon and resume what you were doing.

[brykster]

i thought it was easier to contract rectally because god hates sodomites : )

[J Burb]

Originally posted by genius
J. Burb: anal sex is a transmission path not so much because "rectal tissue being more delicate and easily traumatized" (although it is) but it is also just a few cells thickness away from the bloodstream and HIV infected semen can hang around there for a while giving more opportunity for infection.. Thats why suppository drug treatment works so well (e.g. suppository aspirin)

Ever notice that a nicotine patch on someones arm also effectively gets the product into thier bloodstream. I've never doubted that infected vaginal fluid cant seep in through a raw spot on your penis the same way. As for the anal risk, I think we're just talking two possible scenereos on the same thing, both of which are correct and equally probable.

[capitan]

Even if you're fucking the girl anally, if you are covered, how can there be a serious risk for you?

Straight ahead,
Capy

[genius]

Originally posted by capitan
Even if you're fucking the girl anally, if you are covered, how can there be a serious risk for you?
Straight ahead,
Capy Easy - the condom breaks.

[J Burb]

The recipiant of anal is obviously at higher risk in that situation, especially if the guy ejaculates, however, I believe the intestinal waste of an infected person can also carry the virus.

I'd think a condom breaking during vaginal intercoarse might be even more risky for a guy though, simply because of the amount of vaginal fluid involved. Either way, the recipiant is always at greater risk than the giver, but still never immune.

[nywhiteguy]

It's scary that people write things about HIV. If you do not know, get the information from a professional source. I do not mean to disrespect anyone. You can get some information from the "National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases" or from the "Centers for Disease Control".

Here are some highlights"

HOW IS HIV TRANSMITTED?
HIV is spread most commonly by having unprotected sex with an infected partner. The virus can enter the body through the lining of the vagina, vulva, penis, rectum, or mouth during sex.

Although researchers have found HIV in the saliva of infected people, there is no evidence that the virus is spread by contact with saliva. Laboratory studies reveal that saliva has natural properties that limit the power of HIV to infect. Research studies of people infected with HIV have found no evidence that the virus is spread to others through saliva by kissing. No one knows, however, whether so-called "deep" kissing, involving the exchange of large amounts of saliva, or oral intercourse increase the risk of infection. Scientists also have found no evidence that HIV is spread through sweat, tears, urine, or feces

Having a sexually transmitted disease such as syphilis, genital herpes, chlamydial infection, gonorrhea, or bacterial vaginosis appears to make people more susceptible to getting HIV infection during sex with infected partners.

Not knowing is dangerous, I hope that nobody has to deal with this disease. We just need to be careful.

[genius]

Originally posted by nywhiteguy
It's scary that people write things about HIV. If you do not know, get the information from a professional source. I do not mean to disrespect anyone......HIV is spread most commonly by having unprotected sex with an infected partner. The virus can enter the body through the lining of the vagina, vulva, penis, rectum, or mouth during sex.

And I do not mean to disrespect anyone either - but here are the facts to put HIV risk to mongers in perspective.

Note that for men 88% involve homosexual activity or IV drugs.

Also, for women, homosexual activity is not even listed.

"At the end of 2003, the CDC estimates that 405,926 persons were living with AIDS in the USA.

Of the adults and adolescents1 with AIDS, 77% were men. Of these men,

* 58% were men who had sex with men (MSM)
* 22% were injection drug users (IDU)
* 11% were exposed through heterosexual contact
* 8% were both MSM and IDU.

Of the 88,815 adult and adolescent women with AIDS,

* 63% were exposed through heterosexual contact
* 35% were exposed through injection drug use."

[J Burb]

While those stats may point heavily toward MSM and IDU, I still dont think they should relieve anyone about the potential risks with sex workers. Im sure if there were specific stats on the percentage of Prostitutes that have it vs. the percentage of the regular female population, the prostitutes percentage would be much higher. Not only does thier lifestyle commonly go hand in hand with drug use, the number of partners they encounter during a given year could be in the hundreds vs. maybe only a few for the average single active woman.

I see feces is stated as not being an HIV source, but interestingly enough, the doctor who treated the guy I know who died from it also made it a point to test everyone in his household including two very young children as he explained toddlers can sometimes get thier hands on whats in the toilet when left unattended. Maybe it was still percautionary in the late 80's, or possibly just the doctors way of sidestepping the more sensitive issue of inapproprate child contact. I personally avoid shit on my dick anyway just for sanitary reasons.

[brykster]

hmmm...where's lil' Jimmy Norton when you need him?